/v/ - Video Games

talent

>>14673174

I dunno, Cave Story is pretty pixelshit in my opinion

>>14673174

Actual talent molded throughout the course of ten years

>>14673409

Your opinion is shit.

What happened to the Metal slug pixel artist?

It’s because a game is only pixelshit if /v/ doesn’t like it.

Animations.

"Pixelshit" is a meme that gets attributed to games with perfectly good pixel art. This is what happens when you take /v/ groupthink seriously.

>>14673174

Talent and care mostly

>>14673174

it is clearly pixelshit, the 3ds remake is way better and has tighter graphics with more colors than my asshole

>>14673671

Dude that's not pixelshit, that is what retro videogames clearly looked like, it's trying to emulate that old school look of a crt, you're probably too young, as I was born in the 90s and knew what crt graphics looked like as I played old retro videogames like halo.

>>14673677

Congrats, you're a fucking idiot. It IS pixelshit because on original hardware where pixels were your only option, they could not be goddamn diagonal.

>>14673678

You're fitting in, sonny.

fuck cave story

>>14674032

fuck you

>>14673174

>Literally how?

Are you this confused by basic talent?

Honestly, does this even need to be a thread?

Modern indie 'devs' can't draw for shit, they make sprites and put them on a game canvas at varying resolutions and sizes making the game look like shit because it's inconsistent.

If the style you want is retro and the sprite isn't displayed 1:1 onto the game's canvas then it's probably going to look terrible.

>>14673174

The difference is that Cave Story was made by someone who was actually making games at the height of the 16-bit era.

>>14674072

I don't think that's true.

>>14674072

The 16-bit era died back in 1994 when the PS1 was released.

>>14673174

Pixelshit isn't a technical term that refers to low-resolution graphics, it's deragatory term for and artstyle that uses low-resolution graphics that don't have any of the talent and class of old games. There two explain it well:

>>14673651

>>14673671

I don't think a game even needs to look precisely like something that could have run on an actual console, but it needs to be adhere to the general rules of those systems. The pic in >>14674257 is exactly how not to do it.

Is there any indie trash these days that strictly adheres to 16-bit highcolor?

>>14673441

It's a mystery that will never be solved. Akio and Susuma used pseudonyms throughout their careers from IREM to SNK and then those names disappeared from the industry after Metal Slug 3.

pixelshit is a buzzword

>>14674636

No faggot, it means this >>14673671

>>14673174

I think it's the quality of the pixel graphics that defines whether it's shit or not.

Obviously shit pixel art would probably look like there wasn't much thought put into it. Like dev placeholder graphics, except they didn't bother to make it beautiful.

Pixelshit looks like those 1 pixel arms and legs, for one.

In contrast, those that took effort to beautify the graphics are also easily identifiable.

One such example is Metal Slug.

Even up until now, I still can't believe how beautiful Metal Slug games look now, compared to most games.

>>14674728

>oh no someone was shitposting, let me pretend to be triggered

t. retarded faggot

We're also slowly seeing the low poly 3D equivalent of pixelshit now. You know, models that are just unsmoothed and just took little effort to make and clearly have too high polycounts or texture resolutions and rigged smooth animations that wouldn't have worked at all in the 5th gen.

That or fake "voxels" popularized by Minecraft which is just cubes that still do shit like move around smoothly and rotate freely instead of aligning to a three dimensional grid.

Cave Story fits all the key framing necessities and literally uses the MSX2 color palette. It's designed like a retro game and even uses some of the same limitations of them. There's a reason it translated pretty well to the Sega Genesis at the loss of some color detail. It's already designed with a lot of the limitations in mind.

Pixelshit is basically just minimalist computer game art, not even necessarily good art, more often than not it's bad. What /v/ means when they mention pixel shit, they mean ugly minimalist shit.

>>14675113

Just like the Wii, and just like the Wii U, 32x, and Saturn. You fucking retard.

>>14675371

>Wii U

>Flying off the shelves

You are retard

>>14675402

It sold plenty neoFAGgot.

>>14673174

Nostalgia.

>>14673651

>it looks it could theoretically be from a decade and a half ago

Cave Story just about IS from a decade and a half ago.

>>14674699

that makes sense

>>14683393

>All this

>Except because it was free as in freedom, some cuck comes along, adds a bit more polish and makes literally millions from it

>Gets all he praise and hard work instead of the original developer

>>14683473

Motor oil

>>14683427

Pixel himself said he's happy with the arrangement with Nicalis and gets plenty of money from it.

>>14683393

Don't forget

>made the music in his own, custom-made sound engine which he then implemented into the game

>>14673174

back then games were pixelated because of hardware limitations, now they're pixelated because devs can't draw

>>14683645

You're statement isn't entirely wrong but CS was released in 2004 and he started with it in 1999, so "back then" wasn't as far back as you might think in this case.

>>14683678

*Your

>>14683847

Cool, pic unrelated?

We forgive a lot if we know a game was made by 1 person - we don't expect someone to nail everything. If we know a game was developed by a team which included a dedicated artist (or several) and we see graphics like this then we can conclude that the artist is shit, the management is shit and the game is probably shit.

Complaining about Minecraft's graphics when it was developed by 1 guy was dumb, then Microsoft bought the game for 6 gorillion dollars and now it's valid criticism.

>>14684068

A game of Cave Story's caliber would still be pretty damn good even if it had been made by a team. Conversely even if a game is made entirely by one person messing up the fundamentals of the pixel art would still be a black mark against it. Maybe not enough to necessarily throw it on the shit pile but it certainly knocks a few points off at the least.

>>14684106

If a team released a game with the original Cave Story's graphics in 2018 we'd call it indie pixel shit.

>>14684132

probably the majority of /v/ would, if cave story were first released in 2018 it would still be clear it has effort and direction put into every part of it. Most of /v/ can't think for themselves however, so they'll do the default of hate on everything to fit in.

>Cave story

Not as if /v/ loves the shit out of this game or whatever:^)… But I'll share my tastes.

>I used to play the hell out of this game because it was fun

>The music was catchy, the gameplay was actually decent I think

>The storyline was okay too from what I remembered, I didn't know about the 'true' ending until I already beat the game

>tfw it was released by one man for free.

Still beats Underfail by a billion fucking miles. Even in graphics.

>>14684147

Oh fuck off faggot, here

now you can also sperg about meme spacing

>>14684175

>we

>>14684181

>pronouns

>>14684181

>wuz

>>14684147

>being this mad over truth

you'd probably be the first person to call it pixel shit, being the faggot desperate to fit in.

It's designed in the same way that other good pixel-art games were.

Take a look at how it runs when ported to one of those older consoles, almost identical.

>the robot protagonist got cucked by a boss character in the very last seconds of the game

>>14673174

Oh and I also forgot that the original Cave Story just like Spelunky & La-Mulana is Free. If someone was asking for $40+ dollars for the same game then people might be more justified in callin out the laziness of the art design relative to it asking price.

>not pirating cave story plus with agtp translation

shit man after playing that I can't go back to the base game

>>14684271

Holly shit, never thought about that. Super Metroid is under 2mb for comparison. So I imagine no more then two floppy disk idealy.

>>14684192

>Dude we lmao

>>14684281

To be fair Super Metroid was also programmed in assembly.

>>14684271

It's strange how indie pixelshit games are getting shittier and worse looking but the hardware requirements are getting much higher and their games still runs like shit.

>>14684320

Now you are just makeing me wish developers where forced under penatly of death to at least attempt to efficently optimize their games.

>>14684328

It's simly beacause once lower standards begine to be tolerated there is no end to the degradation as long as people are willing to hand over money. Many I've noticed that many platforms have recongized they have little to no need for quality assurance outside of a product being malicious and it cost nothing to the digital storefronts because inventory space/ digital store shelf space is theoretically limitless. Being there is little cost, there is little insentive to care about QA.

Many

>>14684344

>Now you are just makeing me wish developers where forced under penatly of death to at least attempt to efficently optimize their games.

From the EA's review thread: >>14684221

>>"When playing on a PS4 Pro, you can also opt for a performance mode that favors frame-rate over visual splendor."

>Excuse me, what? When did we walk into a commercial for a Sony's console? Why does NO ONE have a problem with the fact the developers didn't even TRY to prioritize the game running well? What's even the point of owning a console if developers are just going to treat them like gimped PCs? AND THIS IS SONY DOING THIS TO THEIR OWN SYSTEM? WHY SHOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT ANYTHING THEY PUT OUT IF THEY PUT THIS MUCH MINIMAL EFFORT INTO THEIR "FLAGSHIP" GAME?

>>14684352

will someone tell that child he's being incredibly autistic

>>14684368

That is pitiful, especially considering that there's a working megadrive port ( >>14684204 )

>>14684378

Well that makes more sense.

>>14684132

I don't think so. Games like Momodora Reverie Under the Moonlight, Shovel Knight and AM2R were done by teams and I haven't seen anons calling them pixelshit besides a couple maybe.

>>14687554

And I also forgot Odallus The Dark Call and Oniken by Joymasher

>>14673694

I only read the post and immediately realized he was joking. He's clearly retarded.

>>14683393

Cave Story and La Mulana are two examples of non-pixelshit retro style indie games. They adhere to the basic rules (Limited palette, everything adheres to the pixel grid while utilizing subpixels for precision measurement, etc) while taking advantage of reduced limitations (Larger storage meaning bigger, more intricate levels, no sprite limit per scanline, etc.)

>>14673174

That's because EVERYTHING in the game is programmed with the same graphics. It's not some downgraded trash with some bloom effect in the background like in Transistor or those other indieshit "retro" games. This is the extent to which it can be done. Also pixel graphics don't need to be flat. See: metal slug

Took me a while to dig it out but here's a great article defining what pixelshit is

http://www.dinofarmgames.com/a-pixel-artist-renounces-pixel-art/

>>14688589

Body is fine, face and hands need work.

>>14688589

IMO, looks like someone falling apart…

>>14688664

Also I should mention I was considering to redo a good chunk of the art, to make it more like the yellow bricks in the middle of the first image. Basically I either want to use 3 or 7 colors per sprite and make it look more "arcadey" than how it is now.

>>14688692

That's just a coincidence. I was actually considering 3 different types of imps, that push or pull objects or trigger buttons, or something to that effect.

>>14688589

It looks like a shitty edit of homer simpson and the hands are abysmal.

>>14688152

But Cave Story is very primitive looking. It pushes nothing to the limit.

>>14688692

i wish i could eat his toe jam but i no he keeps it all to himself

>>14687554

It helps if the games are at least decent.

>>14689573

Because the artists are as shit as the fetish.

It doesn't have that stupid fucking bloom and the character designs are pretty simple so they aren't trying to make them really detailed

>>14683364

>>14683470

>SAWA

>Person's head is one pixel

>Shotgun is half the length of the oxen

>Squirral head is bigger than a man and even has a eye/nose?

Why has the art of sprite/pixel died so badly? How is those in the 80/90's did so well with such little technology/knowledge while today with all our learning resources it's just so much spectacularly worse?

Is it really just a case of past tech limitations helping to create character designs compared to the lack of tech restrains in the present year?

>>14673174

That's because Pixel is an actual artist.

>>14689583

It's not a shit fetish sir.

>>14688589

How does it look in movement?

>>14688589

I just want to know what the point of having a single purple pixel on each shoe is.

It's pixelshit btw

>>14683393

I'd like to bring up the guy behind Iji which is also a humble and excellent dev. He actually released a huge free update not too long ago, for free, seven years after the game released.

Based pre-early access indie devs.

>>14683249

>Sold Plenty

>Commercial Failure

Anon, I…

>>14673174

Love and care. Also, Pixel actually played the video games he claimed inspired him.

WHERE'S THE CURLY PORN

So /v/ likes this shit game, but everything else is shill. Okay.

>>14691945

I would also like porn of her too

>>14691880

No cuckchan, this thread isn't about only one game, unlike your template threads.

Also, if you weren't such a faggot, you would know this game is from 2004 and free, so there is no point in shilling it, unlike the garbage you tried to sell on your threads.

>>14691971

>a rough sketch and something i can't udnerstand

i cri

>>14691973

So you want a thread, that isn't actually focusing on one topic to basically cater to your adhd. and talk about a bunch of random pointless shit, but then you have threads like the anime game threads, then the doom threads and the splatoon threads. Which is it you spastic you want a thread that's open or center on a topic. You can't have your cake and eat it too you dumbshit.

>>14692007

Almost had me with that deflection. I was referring to:

>So /v/ likes this shit game, but everything else is shill.

And how your complaint doesn't have place in this thread, due to it being about pixelart at low resolution and how not to make it look like pixelshit.

Specifying how you sperging about this game is idiotic, since it was used as a mere example, and other anons have provided further examples.

Let me guess, you are one of the OPs that made those template threads?

In that case it's simple: Threads created just to get the approval of other anons, or just to bait meme replies over and over again, are cancer.

And if you can't see what's wrong with that, you are part of the cancer and I suggest you leave.

>>14692036

Really I don't try to get approval I try to start a thread typically to get a discussion about something I'm interested in hopes taking off because I don't look much into video games as culture I don't site news sites I don't read into art or anything like that, I don't even consider video games as art because I see them as a video game which in my eye's is better.

Why would I want a bunch of random people's approval I just want to talk about something I know and I'm interested in because that's pretty much all I care about having a conversation or discussion, I used this thread because personally, I hate cave story I found it boring and unfun while it was unrelated my hate for the game in question wasn't sure maybe the topic wasn't about cave story as a game, but it was enough of area to work with.

>>14689872

Yes it is faggot.

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>>14692402

No it is not shithead.

>>14694235

The author's definitely outed as anti-GG (something on his website links to a site for buying his later games that has a similar name, and he points out the lack of relation, fuck Gamergate or something to that effect)

That all pre-dates Knytt Stories though so let's put that aside for now. Good atmospheric music and environment design, visuals are not great but serviceable, without most pixelshit trappings. Gameplay is somewhat limited but some mods put it to more creative use, since it has a fairly versatile level editor. Basically it's pretty good, and it's free too. Within A Deep Forest and the second Modarchive game are worth trying as well.

Shading, color values, consideration for the dithering on a CRT monitor?

>>14694235

Even when it first came out I couldn't play it because the "art" was so basic and "lowbit". Grade A pixelshit to me

>>14673631

name three modern games with good pixel art that /v/ shat on in unison.

>>14689651

>>14689697

>>14683364

To be fair SAWA is made to be completely fucking silly, I don't think making sure everything was proportional was foremost in their mind when they made this game.

>>14674674

None of those are girls by definition.

>>14696415

if it's a joke game then it should be free and gets a pass. if you charge money for your product you should get shat on for low effort.

>>14696428

Nigger it's 2 quid. Two fucking pounds. It's basically free.

>>14673441

It's best not ask questions. SNK was actually founded on Yakuza money. It's not just a meme like with other companies.

>>14673174

the difference between pixel shit and not pixel shit is something you fell more than see

you can tell when someone is puting his soul into his work despite lacking talent to do better and you can also see when someone is trying to be some sort of pretentious avant grade (((artist))) whp's trying to be retor and different cus it the trendys shit of the moment

>>14693061

If you want to fuck men then stop being a faggot about it and fuck men. Not those who resort to looking like women but aren't.

>>14696587

>That image

I understand wanting a CRT to match the method the media was shown on at the time but who the fuck would want VHS?