d48524 No.14650520
Are there any modern MMOs that don't force daily missions/quests/timed alerts on players anymore? I just want to progress and grind at my own pace, not set an alarm for 3 a.m. to not miss some scheduled boss battle and not replay the same fucking shit every day because all other content gives jack all in terms of exp/money.
People who played PSO2 or Warframe should understand what I'm talking about, where anything outside of dailies and alerts is irrelevant.
6756f5 No.14650539
just give up on the modern MMO genre, it'll cause you more grief than enjoyment.
best bet is to find an "old school" MMO you like and look for a free private server
d48524 No.14650548
>>14650539
I tried playing Ragnarok Online and Ultima Online on private server with both modern and legacy rulesets and it's just too old and limited and simplistic to be enjoyable.
Why can't we have both?
baf7aa No.14650559
>>14650548
Because it wouldn't be profitable if they couldn't keep you hooked with a bunch of skinner boxes, daily requirements, and sunk costs.
d48524 No.14650592
>>14650559
How about private servers for some modern game?
I know BDO has one, but I already played that shit to death and it wasn't very good.
fe4068 No.14650594
>>14650520
>too autistic to just ignore those quests instead of taking and then waking up at 3am to do them
Have you tried not playing videogames?
d48524 No.14650655
>>14650594
If you ignore them you just won't progress past certain levels. You won't have enough resources/money for gearing and dressing up.
Game will just stop. Playing any other content won't give you shit.
2dd09e No.14650715
Dofus only has 1 daily thing which takes like 2 minutes and isn't really that big a deal, there are some others but they're mostly for noobs to get some extra money and stop being relevant quickly. I've lost interest in it but it is one of the better MMOs. If you decide to play it join a Mono-account server, the older servers are full of multiboxing autists and you'll never get groups. Note the game is turn based so large team fights can take ages, on the upside lag isn't an issue and you can do something else at the same time while playing if you can multitask.
Don't even consider Wakfu, it's a complete shitpile and even the most active english server is fucking dead.
233c1d No.14650728
the only real benefit to MMOs may be making friends or playing with friends
if it's just you doing solitary shit, you're only really working things out for yourself before you quit, it's a decision you've already made
837c20 No.14650918
>>14650728
No, the real benefit is intensive grinding.
Look at how popular Nioh is. It can thank mmo-style of grinding for that.
9a9a98 No.14650928
>>14650918
>Look at how popular Nioh is
You mean not at all?
It didn't sell even half of a single meme souls
d45261 No.14651002
>>14650928
Source?
It was somewhere in top sellers on steam in the first weak.
0f982b No.14653483
>>14650539
What about a Libre MMO for GNU Linux!
Free as in Freedom Uber Alles!
It seems that any game that is actually fun is a result of customization after the devs who never actually play their game finish. So why not build games from the start with the intention of leaving them open.
https://godotengine.org/
https://play0ad.com/
<An example of a libre game engine and game.
643645 No.14653527
>>14650520
Are you sure about this, OP? Warframe really doesn't have that many important time locked stuff. Everything that matters can be done anytime it's convenient to you.
Raids for instance, can be started at any time and you progress through them whenever you complete them. Alerts are usefull but you don't really need them and the important ones can last for days.
Only exception would maybe be the Planes of Eidolong and the bounties for Teralysts and the like. Those gotta be done when it's night time in Cetus but since that rotates every 30 minutes or so, it shouldn't be an issue for you.
You might also want to try Guild Wars 2. A lot of people will give you shit because it's not Guild Wars 1 (and they are correct) but it's essentially what you are asking for. You can progress how you want when you want, explore the world (which is rewarded actually), do quests or farm if you feel like it, work towards your crafting professions or advance the main plot.
There are some events like global boss battles, but overall they don't seem that important to complete.
482fb5 No.14653543
>>14650520
Yes, MMO's are designed horribly I like the graphics of Tera, Black Desert, Blade & Soul, and ect, but the games themselves are bad. Skyrim has more interesting gameplay but the graphics for the characters aren't naturally appealing and the world is not that dynamic, for instance, the war between the Nationalists and Imperials SHOULD be real time and dynamic.
If you want to make a free to play game and still make money, simply let people BUY in game currency, but don't have a billion different currecies and whale only stuff. 'Could even make it a crypto. Also, the sign in daily to get X stuff, 'from dev heaven' is a form of bribery and it is not actually fun.
…sigh
3799a1 No.14653585
An MMO equivalent of Neverwinter Nights where you make a character and take them to multiple online realms could be fantastic but that's not closed down and controlled enough for the communist power hungry faggots who makes games now.
643645 No.14653606
>>14653543
>Skyrim has more interesting gameplay
Jesus Christ, don't exagerate like that. Tera's combat might not be anything special but it's miles better than Skyrim, and so is Black Desert.
Skyrim is just swinging your foam sword at someone, using green mana for stronger attacks and using your shield to proc a stagger effect, that's all there is to it.
>let people BUY in game currency
>someone dumps 500$ into the game
>buys all the auction house
>price fixes everything
>he now controls the economy
>the only way to "solve" this is for someone else to dump even more money.
That's an amazing idea for a Dev to make truckloads of money, but it completely corrupts the entire economy of the game since you'll be backing it all up with real currency and you'll screw anyone that didn't invest the price of a house into the game.
7353ab No.14653998
>>14653543
>for instance, the war between the Nationalists and Imperials SHOULD be real time and dynamic.
Those games can barely hold themselves together as it is, and you want to add moving parts to that shit-heap? I don't think it's possible, and every attempt I've seen to overhaul the Civil War system to make it more satisfactory has either been canceled because it was too hard or broke the game irrevocably.
5825ca No.14654019
>>14653606
Skyrim's combat can be quite interesting if you play the game while actually role playing. The people left playing the game for thousands of hours are the people who create ideas for characters, give them back stories, and go into the game with a vision of how they want their characters to function including handicaps. But even then it only works for magic/stealth based characters because there really isn't anything you can do with the basic melee combat roles as you're right, you literally just go full morrowind and spam left click.
43358f No.14654022
>>14653527
>can only do sorties once a day
>focus cap
>standing cap for everything
>simaris resets daily
>syndicates reset daily
>build times
really m8?
>>14653900
oh boo hoo.
d50ca1 No.14654037
>>14653606
Citation needed
969da5 No.14654256
>>14653527
>Raids for instance, can be started at any time
How long have it been since you even played it?
They removed raids a couple of months ago.
72f9d8 No.14656279
>>14650928
It sold 1 million its first two weeks as a new IP on a single Platform. I mean yeah you can go "Hurr it didn't reach the number souls did" But as a new IP exclusive that's really fucking good
643645 No.14658684
>>14654019
>can be quite interesting if you play the game while actually role playing
How do you roleplay in a game that doesn't even acknowledge your character, instead prefering to focus on the player?
I've done the whole "mod it till it breaks", it broke, and in the end you were still better off trying to roleplay in Oblivion anyway. There's no Character in Skyrim to roleplay with, only the player.
>>>14654022
You're looking at it the wrong way.
For instance, you have a whole day to do a sortie so you can do it whenever you feel like. And if you miss it, no biggie. There's another one the next day.
The caps to favor also exist so you don't feel forced to farm them all the time. You can just do a few missions and that's it for the day, now you can go do something else.
Same shit for build times. Just put something building and you can come back later to get it. You'll likely be farming materials for something else in the meantime.
I suggested Warframe because he wanted something that didn't forced him to be online every day or at specific hours to play. That's exactly what warframe is. You can play whenever you want, there's always something else to do and you don't really miss important content unless you go 3+ days without touching the game at least.
>>14654256
I was talking about Sorties, since I expected people to still call it that. And it's not like it matters since they are introducing something new to replace them too.
858517 No.14658707
>>14653483
Fuck you. I love Linux and open source software, but I hate faggots like you that can't answer on topic. Thanks for the useless links, unrelated pictures, and meaningless answer.
dae8c1 No.14658733
>>14653483
https://www.daimonin.org/
http://www.planeshift.it/
Here's an example of two GPL MMOs that you could've linked to or mentioned instead of some self congratulatory blurb about your shallow opinions of game design and software.
02611c No.14659391
eb4765 No.14659410
>>14650520
i think a better question is if there's an mmo with even acceptable gameplay, as without fun gameplay what is the point of doing a raid at 8 pm every thursday
e5ff9a No.14659453
>alerts mattering in warframe
Nah, the real meta is grinding Akkad for experience, Index for credits, Kuva Fortress survival for kuva, Sedna arena for endo, and relic farming
The only real "daily" bullshit are sorties and syndicate standing/missions, which is still retarded. Maybe alertium farming, but unless you're a true NEET autist there's no feasible way to consistently get that shit.
That being said, Warframe instead has the issue of having bucketloads of content that is NEVER FUCKING USED once you finish its star chart because DE doesn't know how to into endgame
e5ff9a No.14659469
>>14659453
Incidentally, I could piggyback off of this thread to explain exactly how to balance "to-do checklists" for autists and not having that "forced" feeling that so many MMO's feel they need to do, but I don't know if any of you faggots want to read my autism.
2dd09e No.14659474
>>14656127
It recently got expanded and can give you a good taste of the game. But it's pretty small so you wouldn't really play it for ages like old F2P Runescape. That being said once you get to about level ~160 in Dofus you can maintain a sub with in-game currency really easily if you play regularly.
Also I forgot that there is a daily thing which is fairly rewarding and somewhat time consuming. I tended to just ignore it most of the time though as it's a bit of a slog.
1ef4f0 No.14659495
34a1b0 No.14659657
>>14658684
Sorties are dailies and Eidolons are functionally alerts, you can't just play them when you want to. And alerts are alerts.
It's exactly the shit this thread is about.
>>14659453
Yeah good luck farming nitain and potatoes on akkad.
e5ff9a No.14659683
>>14659657
Forgot about the Eidolon bullshit, good point.
I already mentioned nitain, but good point on potatoes. I REALLY don't get why those aren't just some really rare reward from all mission types.
58c176 No.14659779
Project 1999 has none of that. It's nice if you want a chill, slow paced game and community (outside raiding, which is AIDS)
643645 No.14661564
>>14659469
Please do. Interesting autistic reads are always nice.
Plus, it might help even with singleplayer games, I suppose.
>>14659657
If you miss a Sortie, you have a new one right after that with rewards on the same scale. You never miss out important content by missing a Sorite.
Eidolons can only be hunted at night but since day only lasts for a few minutes, you'll only miss them out if you only have less than an hour to play every day, depending on when you login.
Alerts that have important shit like potatoes can last for days, so you don't have to compulsively play the game at a specific time at a specific day. Everything else is optional and can be found somewhere else or doesn't even matter.
What this thread was about was MMOs that let you play whenever you want without you missing important gear\items\XP\whatever that you need to progress simply because you weren't present during event XYZ that happens during 3 hours at a specific time and day. Warframe satisfies this criteria, the closest it comes to it is stuff like the Plague Star that lasts several days.
dc369d No.14661658
OSRS is the only good 'modern' MMO
d15a5e No.14661675
Tera came out for ps4 I downloaded it because nostalgia. Grinding the dungeons has caused me to out level the first 3 zones in two days. No complaints.
c9784c No.14661679
>>14661658
Yeah I really enjoyed that forced gay pride event.
3addc0 No.14661710
>>14661679
>That you didn't have to take part in
>That ultimately affected nothing
>Still being mad about that
d15a5e No.14661717
>>14661710
I'm sure that anon was more disgusted than mad about it
c9784c No.14661757
>>14661710
I'm not mad at all, I don't play the shitty game. But the staff disobeyed the players' wishes when they said no to the event. That right there should be enough to turn you off. Unless you're a faggot of course.
4632b6 No.14661835
>>14650520
>modern MMO
Good luck with that. PSOBB is always a comfy bet if you're willing to play something a little dated.
0b0225 No.14661923
>>14650520
Ultima Online became free to play recently.
An actual MMO. No levels, just skill and stat up by playing.
No soulbound, everything is tradable.
No dailies/weeklies etc, just login play for as little or as long as you want.
So many non-combat skills and activities.
Non-instanced player housing (Need to subscribe for this)
Full Skill list: uoguide.com/Skills
Official Website:uo.com
64e512 No.14661959
>>14650520
>People who played PSO2 or Warframe should understand what I'm talking about
I completely understand.
>I tried playing Ragnarok Online and Ultima Online on private server with both modern and legacy rulesets and it's just too old and limited and simplistic to be enjoyable.
I completely agree.
Try Mabinogi with our anons.
It's old enough to predate that freemium daily punching-card bullshit but doesn't feel limited. The only reason I'm not playing it is that I'm not in the mood for a game with mouse-only targetting combat right now.
d15a5e No.14662214
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Any ps4 fags want to meet up on Tera?
41598e No.14662777
>>14662214
I was gonna make fun of you for playing TERA on the PS4. Then I remembered it's the only way to play the game because the english servers STILL have the java script exploit to inject malicious code. So instead I'm just gonna make fun of you for playing a game that completely nosedived in quality
44332f No.14662825
0b0225 No.14664272
>>14662214
Nigga, this game is filled with daily quests, dungeons and raids. DID YOU EVEN READ THE OP????
f994f4 No.14664712
Dailies are why I quit MMO's. It's pretentious to think that the developers should control when and how I play a game.
27c2e2 No.14664825
>>14650520
project gorgon
just don't become a druid/werewolf
19cf2b No.14664834
>>14661923
UO went to shit around 2001, though. Part of the magic was the community, back when internet-connected PC subscription MMOs were inaccessible to subhumans, and there's no bringing that back.
f27052 No.14664916
>>14664834
Playing vanilla UO is still pretty inaccessible.
>>14664825
Are there private servers?
de50d4 No.14665158
>>14661710
>Not taking part in the klan rally that crashed it.
c5561e No.14665173
>>14653483
>one of his images is a fucking advertisement for his cryptocurrency invesment
f1aaeb No.14665194
>>14661923
>no bank
>cant use mailbox
f53893 No.14669167
>>14665194
You can use the bank.
Mailbox requires a house, no body uses the mailbox anyways.
>>14664834
Sub-humans play WoW now. WoW despite killing the rest of the MMO genre was a great filter to keep all the retards in that game.
1a73b5 No.14669191
>>14669167
How wow got so popular is beyond me. It's so slow and boring.
Even in RO and Ultima you smack monsters so much faster with so much impact it's just more fun. In WOW you swing so slowly and audio-visual feedback is so weak I just fall asleep after 3 mobs.
Just fucking HOW did it explode?
41598e No.14669475
>>14669125
BDO
>Devs remove all forms of player interaction other than PvP and unnecessary grouping to combat gold sellers
>b-but don't worry you can still sell shit on the set price range auction house!
72c70f No.14669978
>>14669475
And set price range is bad why exactly? It prevent prices on rare items inflating to absurd whale-tier levels.
I wish warframe and PSO2 had set price range on everything as well.
09ce2b No.14670000
>>14650520
>PSO2 or Warframe
Are you looking for another hyper casual game without PVP? Or another pay2win MMO where you can literally swipe your creditcard to skip content?
e8b2c2 No.14670016
>>14653527
>Warframe really doesn't have that many important time locked stuff.
Nigger anything important on that game is locked behind time walls to stop you from grinding the absolute shit out of it. still a good modern mmo that isn't a massive jew seeing as you can get everything with patience
>>14659453
You can get relics from sedna arenas? teach me more
f71e62 No.14670238
c9a793 No.14673019
>>14650520
Project Gorgon.
8c9a15 No.14673081
>>14665173
Everything is advertisement. Best get used to it.
8c9a15 No.14673098
>>14662777
>the english servers STILL have the java script exploit to inject malicious code
Whew. Really? I've been playing Blade & Soul, but I actually enjoyed combat in Terra more.
969da5 No.14673560
>>14673098
>playing Blade & Soul
>playing tera
You are double cuck
4e1307 No.14673569
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14673560
oh man, and i still think the Baraka were the comfiest fuckers in any online game so far.
Too bad they are tied to Tera.
5b97b2 No.14673749
>>14661959
Both Ragnarok and Ultima are infinitely more complex than any modern MMO you nigger.
For one, you actually distribute your own stats. You need to be careful with skill point budgets. Items have many options and aren't just put on the highest iLevel or set items.
4314a5 No.14674758
>>14673749
>look up build
>whack enemy ad infinitum with one single attack
>complex
900632 No.14678247
>>14661658
OSRS was the only good modern MMO. OSRS now is Runescape 3 lite, and Runescape 3 is World of Warcraft lite, where combat and raids are the only worthwhile activities in all games.
5a8c63 No.14678294
>>14673749
>RO.
>Every build is the same No Gear PvE/PvP or Geared PvE/PvP.
>Everyone grinds in the same best maps for their class, spamming the same most efficient attack for their build.
>Complex.
>>14669978
Because it artificially forces players into content they might not want to do, and insures a bad market shortage for everything else. A shortage correctable by the rarity of the items increasing the price and profit, thus attracting players thirsting for alternative content into that market, which will never happen because of fixed prices for everything.
b2b649 No.14678300
>>14650520
Elder Scrolls Online is good for this.
41598e No.14678359
>>14669978
It also makes sure that no one farms lower tier items because there's never going to be profit in them ever. The set prices mean that there is absolutely no market forces what so ever, and the only thing worth doing is the shit worth money not because it's useful, but because the devs have decided it's worth money.
It also completely ruins the economy because players can't help each other, but that's a side point
09e1c3 No.14678402
>>14673749
Eh, no. Anyone who played RO for more than a month knows what stats use for what and which skills ignore or focus on. The problem with RO is that there's always ONE skill that is just way better than the other ones, that's the skill that you will focus your stats on and the only one that you will use 99% of the time. People throw shit at FFIX for exactly this and the only difference is the lack of illusion of choice.
fc86e1 No.14678549
>>14674758
No one plays whammy and thats not how whammy works.
Whilst, maintaining short term cursed Weapon buff (few seconds or more depending on spirit speak skill).
Weapon skills: armor ignore, double attack, whirlwind attack,
Chivarly SKills: Enemy of One, Divine Fury,
Honor Virtue Mechanic.
Bushido Skills, Lightning Strike, Evasion,
Confidence, Counter attack.
Honestly, this is way more than a WoW rotation. Oh yeah there are no rotations, since things aren't synched up in an ez (12345 x N) fashion for WoW retards.
>>14678294
You're a liar.
There's no set of items. You're supposed to armor and weapon switch mid combat depending on what the opponent is/does. Your entire keyboard was covered in hotkeys.
>Spamming 1 attack.
You're bad, not at just RO but all games you play.
>>14678402
PvM for sure. Not the case for PvP.
5f912a No.14678566
Final Fantasy XIV. No mandatory dailies, big long story line, and you can do shit at your own pace. The only time timing "matters" is the current raid tier, and that's a once-a-week thing.
7464e6 No.14678648
>BDO
>>14669475
>>14678294
>>14678359
Objectively correct posts.
4d1262 No.14678865
>>14678566
Anon xiv is practically dailies the game. You log in and either cap tomes, run your "daily" dose of raids, or sit around doing jack shit in limsa or a housing ward. Endgame in xiv is shit through and through.
2bf79a No.14679354
>>14678648
BDO is never not going to piss me off. It's late as shit and I'm still mad enough to want to rant about this gook grinder. Let me explain just how bad this shit is to >>14669978
>Trading disallowed beyond potions/food, and even this was because of complaints of players
>In place of this is an "Auction" house
>To start this auction house works nothing like a real auction house.
>to start, all prices are fixed at a rate, the rate only changes if the devs deem it to be
>"what could go wrong"
>certain things will be worth quite a bit more than what they should be, while other things will barely be worth the time and heartache it takes to create said item
>the easiest example for this are the boats.
>specifically the Epheria Sailboat, which is almost the baseline vessel for having a snowball's chance in hell to possibly make it across the ocean
>this sailboat requires a hefty list of materials, which if you harvested yourself would leave you quickly drained of your limited energy.
> BDO has a worker system and I had a worker empire, in fact most people will realize it is quickly necessary which allows you to harvest materials, for instance, various species of trees required for sailboat making such as pine logs
>to actually use these shits, your computer will have to have the grinder open the entire time, by the way, their jobs can take anywhere from 30 minutes to hours to actually accomplish a single task.
>what these workers will not gather, however, is base materials, i.e. logs, stone, etc
>you must gather these yourself
>to be as proficient as possible you must do both gathering and processing yourself (the latter to ensure the former isn't as drawn out as possible), which in and of itself takes actual fucking days to reach passable levels
>if you have shit for processing skill or your workers are only able to process it at a 1:1 ratio, it's 80,000 fucking logs.
>you gather, at the very fucking most, maybe 4 if you are lucky
>if you are extremely fortunate in processing these logs, you "only" need 12,000 instead.
>A single character might have 120 energy
>this is on top of the 75,000 pine logs you also need, which you will also process yourself
>after all of this shit, (including 20 days of daily quests and literally 2 weeks for the boat to actually be built) the price of one of these sailboats in the auction house when I played was 6 million.
>while an game weapon will cost easily hundreds of millions or a couple billion silver
2bf79a No.14679357
>>14679354
part 2, because I'm still fucking mad
Now that we got this introduced, let me explain this clusterfuck of a system
>why this sucks for the buyer
>as this is a fixed priced game, the seller can only set it for a certain price range (~6 million, give or take a few hundred thousand)
>You want one of these ships for one reason or another. You go to try and snag one of these either in reserving, bidding or buying
>Every part of this is sheer fucking RNG
>if you try to bid on it, the item will be up for 15-30 seconds 5-15 minutes (a bit fuzzy on this but this too was random) after the player selling it throws it into the auction house
>During this time you click bid, there is no bidding against players, there is no change of money during this time nor do you know who wins until you actually get a chance to pay for an item. Whether you won it or not.
>This means if you are bidding on multiples of an item, you have wait for it to show up, click bid, wait, click check bid type in a quantity and then hope you were able to win and buy it. This process can easily last a minute on top of the original 5-15 you already sat through and God knows how long of trying to wait for this item to show up.
>this is not an exaggeration
>if no one managed to win the bid (this can happen either because the winner didn't buy the items, or because fuck you) the item can now be bought
>this means you better have quick fingers or you're shit out of luck
>if you want to maybe avoid this disgusting rat race, you can reserve an item
>which puts you into a brand new clusterfuck of a rat race
>When the item goes up for sale, the item has a 50/50 chance to go up for bidding or being sent to someone who reserved it
>If you reserved it, you put in a price either equal or higher to the range
>this does not go person with the highest reserve
>its still sheer fucking chance
>a person will be randomly selected to get the item. The only point of the reserve is to have MAYBE a slightly higher chance to win a reserve
>I have literally seen a person chimp out because someone bragged they won a reserve for a weapon at 300 million, while the poor idiot had his set up for 850 million
>why this shit sucks for the seller
>you hear about how much people are reserving these ridiculous things for, Epheria's for almost 1.5 billion and you take it, hook, line, and sinker
>you decide you want to build boats
>you spend ages grinding everything you need, building a worker empire, learning
>after what feels like an eternity, you finish it, you throw it on the auction house, confident that it will be a reserve.
>It is, you can almost taste the profits already, even if the boat making was bullshit, this will be great
>you check your earnings, and it's 6.3 fucking million
>you don't know this, but the reservist, in a fit to not have to sit through the shit you did, put up a reserve for 1.8 billion
>you don't see a fucking silver above the 6.3 million max
>you slowly come to realize that the point of the reserve is for the buyer to reserve the chance to get the item and nothing more. He essentially gave the auction house 1.794 billion silver to reserve a fucking boat.
>what's even worse is that even if you wanted to instead gather the base logs to make these ridiculous fucking boats and sell those at a premium to not compete with the NPCs, you would have to accept the 800 silver per log while the buyers are throwing up at least 30-50k a log at more conservative estimates
>this is before you realize that you lose 30% of your profits from not buying their subscription in disguise, mind you
In conclusion, fuck BDO and don't play it
ebb826 No.14679680
19cf2b No.14679806
>>14679357
I thought communism was illegal in worst Korea.
0835d6 No.14679856
>>14679354
>>14679357
>pso2 and warframe have batshit prices on sought-after items
>somehow good
No fuck off, BDO system is better.
It's still shit p2w game tho, only trading is good in it.
41598e No.14679862
>>14679856
>BDO IS BETTER
>Items that have value in time put in are incredibly valueless
>Auction house takes all of your profits
>2 stupid systems neither of which are actually buying the item
>better
0835d6 No.14679873
>>14679862
>wanna this one piece of shit?
>well too bad it costs 200 million anime money / 2k premium goylarridoos
>good luck spending 2 months grinding that shit
>meanwhile it grew 2 times more expensive because demand
>too bad motherfucker, good luck catching up :^)
It is.
95596f No.14679885
>>14679873
Akshually, anything you actually need in Goyframe usually gets a re-run and drops in price like a rock after a few months. Plus, you can easily jew dumb niggers out of their money in Warframe, without the devs stepping in and ruining your profits.
41598e No.14679886
>>14679873
>no incentive to sell anything
>better
41598e No.14679890
>>14679885
Don't you even start warframe is one of the worst. BDO just beats it by virtue of being incredibly retarded
0835d6 No.14679895
>>14679885
>re-run
>some autistic even with single digits drop rates during christmas or equivalent when only the most extreme basement dwellers even consider playing some online grinder, let alone autistically grind extra rare shit 24/7
>re-run
41598e No.14679900
>>14679895
not to mention the only currency people trade in is cash shop currency.
But hey at least they're allowed to actually trade unlike BDO
0835d6 No.14679904
>>14679900
Nice digits but you can trade in bdo with auction house, you just can't set up absurd prices to deny non-autists and non-whales high demand items.
41598e No.14679908
>>14679904
Actually you can't, did you not see how you "trade"
b6a615 No.14679931
>>14653527
>Warframe really doesn't have that many important time locked stuff
<daily sorties
<daily syndicate missions
<daily standing limits
<daily trade limit
<daily focus limit
<eidolons
<can perform only one mastery rank test per day
<invasions which sometime award potato blueprints
<alerts, some of which award nitain extract which can only be reliably found through alerts
<weekly maroo treasure hunt
<weekly clem defense mission
<baro
e7df2e No.14679955
>>14679931
>important stuff
>literally nothing on that list except nitain
Back into the corner with you.
4da8c4 No.14679961
>>14679955
I play that shit and I agree with >>14679931
Fuck off.
0835d6 No.14679983
>>14679908
>putting your shit on sale is not trading
Are we arguing semantics now? You can sell your shit to other players, that's it.
41598e No.14679999
>>14679983
>lol you can put your shit up you can't choose anything else about it though.
>lol this item you spent a ton of time on is actually a net loss as opposed to profit, lol git gud
>lol people still invest massive amounts to attempt to trick people with reserves to actually make these massive time sink items?
I really don't see how you think the system isn't complete garbage
fc86e1 No.14680009
>>14669978
Set prices suck because as soon as an item that people want appears on the auction house it dissapears immediately. Just like in real life price fixing causes massive shortages (underpriced) or if its an item nobody wants, huge surpluses (overpriced).
>>14679904
The prices are absurd because they're fixed. It's the reason you'll never find what you want on the BDO auction house because as soon as it appears, it dissapears.
Go onto BDO right now and try and buy some cash shop items using in game silver. Lemme know how long it takes if you can even buy it at all, protip, you won't.
0835d6 No.14680010
>>14679999
Letting players ruin the economy is garbage, but hey congratulations on those quads.
41598e No.14680062
>>14680010
Yeah devs ruining the economy is much better
2bf79a No.14681058
>>14679873
I'm sorry man but
>want this item?
>is it not a weapon or armor that is way out or below your price range?
>is it something that requires both a hefty player investment and worker investment?
>is it not a slow time and there's a number of autists after this item?
>hope someone actually is stupid/new enough to put it on the auction house of. Their own free will or (and this is really why BDO is worse) actually pay a jew pearls (cash shop currency) to sell this time to you
>except unlike warframe, you actually dont get the item
>they will instead put it on the auction house, because that is the only way
>essentially you pay someone for the fucking chance to maybe win it, because it's still all RNG and you're still shit out of luck if you failed to win Korean auction house roulette.
>except, not you're a fucking idiot because you had to spend not only your in-game goy dollars but also your real shekels too.
Really man, I hate warframe because the community is actually halfway courteous so they can fleece more cash out of you beyond other reasons but getting fucked sideways by gook pixel bureaucracy was far worse. this is not helped by the fact that I was almost forced into running a very specific quest filled bullshit grind worker empire cycle to even afford a single end game weapon, and then promptly quitting at the realization I would have to do it again God above, I ran fucking crates
0619a1 No.14681675
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>>14680010
>Letting players ruin the economy is garbage
Whew. Realistically a VRMMO should be as close to reality as possible while changing only certain things for a specific purpose for entertainment value.
BTW Tera and B&S have good graphics albeit censored for the Jewish west. The item system and static world is shit though. The item system in B&S drives me insane but I get to play as my waifu.
>>14679354
>>14679357
Whew, I remember when BDO was supposed to be a gorgeous sandbox MMO without the usual Korean dev totalitarianism and needless complexity *like a thousand different currencies,* and cash shop jewery.
If I was a MMO, I'd have players able to buy in game currency for real money and trade in game currency for real money, I'd also have a real economy. A dynamic system is required to maintain real interest not a new class or raid dungeon. Those are nice but not nearly as important. Also dailies and bribes for logging is makes the game more like a IRL job. Fuck that.
0619a1 No.14681691
>>14681675
<Actually I'd just make the in-game currency are real crypto currency, or use a currently existing one, but call some denomination of it 'Gold' or 'Credits.'
2bf79a No.14681730
>>14681675
>Whew, I remember when BDO was supposed to be a gorgeous sandbox MMO without the usual Korean dev totalitarianism and needless complexity
I'm just glad I wasn't one of the ones who had first heard about it and got to experience a taste of sandbox back when it was about midway into beta (?) when they decided to go with tradition endless grinding. Which really is a shame because the combat despite the grinding was actually a decently fun part.
Also
>we are fast approaching the time when a MMO is going to essentially be a IRL banking service with the powers that be trying to maintain a strangle hold on money while other minor factions fight with one another in a massive financial war
>meanwhile you just released a cozy looking underwater zone, complete with underwater cave housing spots and furniture to decorate said housing, along with new jobs like trawler fishing, (sea) monster hunting, and pearl collecting to earn currency
Honestly I could almost dig that sort of dystopian job that isn't quite a job, as long as it was fun to play.
You just reminded me BDO was going to have multiple factions within factions vying for control It hurts
7b0dec No.14683021
>>14678566
I guess you don't need to worry about dailies when there is no content.
05ed4d No.14683110
>>14681675
>I'd have players able to buy in game currency for real money and trade in game currency for real money
so you want to have hundreds of thousands of chinese people and other third-worlders to play your game just because they can make more IRL money by playing that than they can otherwise make?
you also want the game to be P2W?
2bf79a No.14683127
>>14683110
If you can turn the in game currency you make into actual currency, would that mean your game is now P(lay)2w?
05ed4d No.14683176
>>14683127
wouldn't a multi-billionaire have an advantage over almost all other players?
035f74 No.14683243
>>14679856
>BDO
>A game where even the auction house is RNG
>You literally hit a button and it tells you whether or not you're allowed to buy the item
>If it says no you have to fuck off and wait to try the next item
10/10 great system bro
7464e6 No.14683324
>>14679354
>>after all of this shit, (including 20 days of daily quests and literally 2 weeks for the boat to actually be built) the price of one of these sailboats in the auction house when I played was 6 million.
You didn't even mention 6mil silver is about an hour of just grinding anything. A whole month's work of refining and gathering materials only nets you an hour's worth of slapping dicks.
>>14681058
I quit after doing one round of the meta enchanting strategy. Having multiple characters just to preserve cascading fail stacks is the most retarded thing I've probably encountered.
0e2441 No.14683331
BDO is an utter trash game.
In order to be competitive in PvP you need to actively grind 2 hours a day. And the rest of the time leave your computer on doing some afk bullshit so they can brag about their concurrent player counts. EVERYTHING is RNG. I think the upgrade system is the most punishing RNG I've seen after Archeage. Also I had a bot running 24/7 for several weeks trying to bid for certain items and never got any.
528434 No.14683345
>>14683021
In that case, GW2.
7464e6 No.14683437
>>14683331
>think the upgrade system is the most punishing RNG I've seen after Archeage
So for people who don't know, let's start with the rates:
+1-12 is generally 40-60% chance to succeed, +13-15 have some of the lowest rates (below 20%) with +15 to +16 being 30% or so, +16 to +17 about 25%, and so on, until capping at +20, about 10% to go from +19 to +20. Now if you fail to enchant above +17, you get set back one +, so if you failed going from +17 to +18 your equipment would go back to +16, and so forth. You would also lose 10 maximum durability for failing. If you failed you would also get 1 fail stack counter which increased your chance to succeed up to a counter cap, expiring upon the first successful enchant.
Now let's unpack how to enchant, first you need some enchant stones to feed your weapon, which are inexpensive but don't fucking drop so they should actually be expensive, but dev controlled market, so good luck buying any. Now you need maximum durability repair fodder, which is 1:1 fragments to durability point, or 1:10 same equipment to durability point. Naturally fragments are also semi-rare and decently expensive because to repair your boss gear you're not going to just have the equipment sitting around to just sacrifice into the existing piece. So we're looking at expensive repairs when you fail your dice roll to go up an enchant, so naturally you look at manipulating your risk. This leads you to creating alternate characters which purposefully try to fail enchanting (on gear you don't plan on actually equipping and is cheap to repair) so they build up those sweet chance boosting fail stack counters to a level that you can then swap the higher level gear in to get maximum chance to upgrade and spend less money.
Now let's suppose you want to abuse the low enchant chance on +13 to +14 or +14 to +15, which is inexpensive to attempt and does have the lowest chance of success before +19 to +20. You make one low level alternate character that has negative karma, and you go equip that item in case it ever succeeds and goes to +15, bam you die with it equipped and it goes back to +14 and you can keep using that cheap piece to stack your fail counter for increased success chances.
Now imagine having to do this shit more than 50 times over and over until you acquire a full set mixed of +18/+19 with the boss gear which has even lower chances than I stated above. It's aids and you spend more fucking time trying to meta-game than actually playing the fucking game. Plus most of stats are packed into the +18/+19 level of the gear, those levels contain a cumulative amount equivalent to +16, so someone in +18/+19 mix has easily 1.5-2.0x more stats than the +16/+17 mix. Taking into account that bdo devs are dumb and use thousands to multiply their numbers, the 30 points of attack power and defense power make a retardedly huge impact.
7353ab No.14683446
>>14673560
Jesus christ, did they downgrade the textures on that model? Aside from the eyes that look like they've had all the color and detail removed from them, the skin on her face (and it may just be the lighting) looks like it's been "imperfected" to give it a rougher texture, made her paler, and added laugh-line creases. She looks like a fucking grey alien.
755ae5 No.14683514
>>14683243
>I don't know how action house works
>muh RNG
035f74 No.14683517
>>14683514
>Trying to bait
Nigger, you literally hit the bid button and it decides whether or not you buy. Stop being retarded.
755ae5 No.14683523
>>14683517
If somebody is ahead of you it's RNG?
035f74 No.14683529
>>14683523
>Implying it goes to whoever bids first.
>Implying I haven't set up a bot to test this.
7464e6 No.14683731
>>14683523
The developers actually put a bid button that you press to indicate you would like to buy the item, it's literally a lottery system on buying. I don't know how else to help this guy convince you that this is how BDO's AH works.
2bf79a No.14684643
>>14683324
God fucking damn it thank you for reminding me of that. I was ran crates instead of actually grind fighting mobs, but considering you need about 40 shekels (maybe a little less, but if I remember correctly it was about this amount if you wanted some pets that also useful outside of combat) but the time sink of crate running coupled with either having to buy a subscription with real money outright or hope I get the golden ticket and manage to buy one that makes it past reserve into bids we were both screwed about the same.
Oh why value packs are bullshit too with one
>1) I could actually use my worker empire, as once your subscription runs out so does over half the space in your inventory AND storage, which means workers would stop gathering, and you can't change this until you clear out the storage of other things (spare gear, enchanting materials, etc) otherwise you're really shit out of luck
>2) Because you would also lose a good portion of your carrying weight, you wouldn't be able to use the auction house as efficiently (which means if you were buying materials and processing them so you could make crates, instead of 2000ish logs with carrying gear, you might be carrying 600-800 instead, before having to go and make a trip back to your storage you can't even use anymore
and this one is for
>>14683536
>3)the "Value pack" (read subscription) also meant if you found anything good while grinding, you'd have to have one because it literally made it so anything you sold got rid of the 30% sales tax the market would just remove. In other words, if you didn't do this you were a fucking idiot, because a regular run of the mill Ogre ring (essentially an easy to sell 90+ million silver belt because the stats it provides are incredible even without upgrades) would mean you would lose ~30million silvers which was good money to lower-middling players
By the way, I pointed it out up here >>14679357 but the tl;dr is
>when someone sells something, there is a 50/50 shot of it being sent to reserves or bids
>reserves are essentially a prebuy crap shoot where the money you spend only might net the item easier
>the seller will not see a single silver above this item, just the prices the gooks set up which is why I refused to sell ships once I realized from selling logs I gathered that I didn't see any money beyond the amount I sold it for
>bids are also RNG. Sometimes no one wins or the winner doesn't check that item in time but there is no, first come first serve, I have done crate runs where I noticed a stack of logs just before it goes to check bid (essentially you get to see if you won the bid by putting in a quantity and buying the stack) and still managed to win out while others are cleaning up their own (sometimes multiple) won stacks. There is almost nothing to BDO that isn't RNG.
Oh speaking of Ogre Rings what >>14683437 forgot to also note, along with that lower than shit chance, accessories will actually be destroyed if you try to enchant them and you have to use a base one to upgrade to the next level of enchantment. So when you go to upgrade that Ogre Ring from +1 to +2, you are risking over 300 million silvers, and failstacks suggested for it are in the 30s (as in you have to actually swap gear around and avoid succeeding on shit 30 times in a row, on purpose, for the hope of getting a success) and I'm pretty sure there is a cap at certain tiers of how successful it is.
Fucking BDO I'm still fucking mad
4314a5 No.14684717
>>14684643
No one is arguing that BDO itself isn't shit.
But at its core limiting price ranges in auction house and player trading in general is better than not limiting them at all.
000000 No.14685222
>>14684717
BDO's appeal is all in its graphics, like Tera and Aion was before them. Gooks make pretty shit but not actually good shit (with some exceptions).
db42cd No.14686895
>>14685222
I played BDO for a few hours and the mindless grinding on mobs was satisfying. The "DUDE BOTTING LMAO" autismal features were annoying but tolerable. Unfortunately it's incredibly pay to win like all gook shit and I'm not particularly interested in invest hundreds of dollars into the game.
079894 No.14687551
>>14684717
No, fuck that commie bullshit. The best MMO economies are the free and open kind. If something is ludicrously expensive or worthless, it's an issue of supply/demand. Things either need to be more accessible or removed from the market pool. It's the reason why games like Runescape and EVE are famous for their economies. They actually handled this stuff well.
For instance, FFXI had a retarded economy because the high-demand shit were in ridiculously low drop pool on monsters that spawned sometimes once every few hours and some not for days at a time. High-value mobs were camped around the clock and people fought small wars just for the tiny lottery to get some piece of equipment to sell for outlandish amounts. That led to the hyper-inflation of end-game gear, so much so that few people actually managed to get full sets of best-in-slot items for even one class. It just wasn't economically feasible. Same goes for Warframe and some of its mods that only dropped for a limited time and vaulted gear.
On the other end of the spectrum is the over-saturation of markets in MMOs that don't have a reasonable loss mechanic. Most MMOs don't destroy items and gold as fast as they're created. Death penalties that don't cause a loss in material mean that some materials will last indefinitely. They're constantly switching hands when one party is done with it, moving to the next, and never removed from the market pool unless they're vendored. This causes prices on most things to crash hard making a lot of things almost totally worthless after a short time. Similarly if gold isn't destroyed quick enough, prices on everything will hyper-inflate rapidly as well. You need good gold sinks for a functioning economy. Shit like WoW for instance operates in Zimbabwe dollars since you only occasionally burn money on minor fees or fluff. It's part of the reason Runescape added housing and durability mechanics on a lot of end-game gear later in its lifetime, apart from people dying with loads of valuables.
If you want to see another example of why controlling markets is a shit idea, look at Tree of Savior. That game was even somewhat relaxed on price control and made it so items had to be put on auction within a sort of reasonable price range from an average value. The problem with that is that it lead to crazy price manipulation and caused some items to plummet in price while others were driven crazy high. Almost nobody was happy with pricing and all done to try to combat gold-sellers, but in the end the gold sellers just took advantage of it so they really didn't accomplish anything.
Gold sellers obviously fuck everything up though for the same reasons. They strive by generating gold as quickly as possible and avoiding the gold-sinks that affect other players. That's a different problem entirely and not something easily dealt with for any game.
2d44ed No.14687672
Hearing you guys talk about all these shitty modern MMOs makes me miss the glory days of GW1.
Will there ever be another MMO with:
-box cost only
-actually fun PvP
-PvP-only characters
-NO/limited grinding
-easy leveling
-decent story
-good class system
2bf79a No.14688242
>>14687551
Oddly enough, I had recently started playing Albion Online, and the way they got around the issue of raw material hyper supply was to actually make upgrading materials to a new tier cost mats from the previous tier as well.So although you can find tier 5 ore, for instance, to smelt it into usable tier 5 bars you need to make a tier 1 bar, which needs 2 or 3 Tier 1 ore, and then take that tier 1 bar and add two or three tier 2 ores to make the second level, all the way to a tier 4 bar+ 2 or 3 (it's been a while since I played) tier 5 ores. Essentially there is always a need for those previous tiered bars, which means newer players aren't shit out of luck for money making that early, as there is always a demand for these materials.Gold is destroyed fairly easy as well, either through paying for what is essentially a runescape membership although I'd put maybe a peg or two below BDO or through paying shops to refine these materials into tiers higher than 3.
To also ensure the demand for the items doesn't really decrease they also make PVP central to the game. To do this they put areas into tiers (blue, yellow, red, and black zones, in order of safety) with the densest and rarest resources in the black zone. Anyone can enter this zone but it's also pvp with no real warning. When a player dies, each item on that player has a 66% chance to turn into trash of it's tier, making it unusable. Most people obviously won't venture out in their best gear unless they are idiots or think their large group numbers will keep them safe, but it does happen. This pretty much means that people will also still be buying lowish tier gear (T4-T6 out of 8 tiers) for general purpose gathering/pvping.
Despite certain flaws with the game like any MMO more flaws than you'd prefer I think they actually have a rather solid free market system because the refined goods are dependent on the lower tiered resources.
736632 No.14688450
>>14684652
That's a dude. A pretty dude. BUt a dude nonetheless.
daf99a No.14688649
>>14688242
>subscription based game that also has a base $30 price that also has a premium subscription that only applies to a single character that also has pay to win currency buying
Would be a fun game if it wasn't absolutely kiked.
2bf79a No.14688676
>>14688649
no arguing any of that to be honest. Although I could have swore that the premium it's a subscription, I shouldn't pretend it isn't was across one account, it wouldn't surprise me with the way games are.
I do like how they handle the economy, but it also hurts that Wurm isn't more popular. Hands down one of my favorite crafting systems, as autistic as it is
ce917d No.14688753
Speaking of MMOs, how Lord of the Rings Online and FFXIV are faring?
cdbd5f No.14688767
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Did anyone ever tried that jap mmo called Master of Epic online? Was it any fun? It was somewhat popular enough for it to get a show about it.
41598e No.14688795
>>14688753
lotro no clue.
FFXIV on the other hand is a uttershitshow right now. The endgame content is just nostalgia pandering and nothing else, complete with a NEW AND IMPROVED CASH SHOP TO BYPASS LEVELING THAT THEY ONLY MAKE WORSE EACH PATCH
f8fa04 No.14688808
>>14688767
there are some vids on youtube, it looks kinda meh
80bc42 No.14688859
you saw nothing
>>14688753
FFXIV's endgame is kind of tedious
Anything prior to the current tier is made too easy, even with gear lvl synched down and to do the hardest content right now v7s and v8s you need a semi static or a metric ton of patience. Otherwise you go kill time in Eureka or level new classes and try to master them, making it easier to join Party Finders since you can fill more roles. If you're really bored to shits you could go buy and house and build useless submarines that sinks your mats in no time or try to reach lvl 200 solo in PotD. Or you play dressup with your catgirl
2cc9b9 No.14689133
>>14688753
>FFXIV
It's alright if you have a group to play with and you avoid the gay community FULL OF MOUTHBREATHING CUCKS AND WOMEN.
>lotro
may as well try teso :^)
5c1336 No.14694851
fde994 No.14694919
>>14661675
wait, so TERA isn't shit again? Because it was pretty fucking shit for a long goddamn time. I don't believe you.
092245 No.14694937
>>14694919
Nope, the only difference is that it is availible for the PS4 in addition to being shit
fde994 No.14694942
>>14694937
figured as much
damn it i miss when that game was fun and not-shit. Playing an Elin archer was tops. Ever since the Gunner class update I dropped that shit like a hot potato. I miss it, but I know it's not the same as it was. I can never go back to that.
2b7425 No.14694947
>>14681675
This exists, it's called project entropia.
5d0a81 No.14695134
>>14688753
I wandered all over Middle-Earth retracing Gollum's steps and all I got was this mask and a horn that says "Hoom" when I doot it.
083986 No.14698169
im still playing FFXI on era, you guys are invited to join
435c1f No.14698255
>>14678865
>>14683021
>you start the game at endgame
There's a whole assload of MSQ between anon and the endgame. All sorts of content that will take plenty of time if anon isn't speeding through it or buying a jump potion. Only an autist would cap their weekly tomestone in a day on purpose. Just sitting in Eureka for a while is enough to do that accidentally.
>>14650520
Ultimately OP, when it comes to FFXIV I'd say to give it a try yourself and decide. It's a paid subscription game, but there is an unlimited free trial that lets you get up to level 35. You can have every class in the game on one character, so you can go try out other classes if the one you started with isn't sending you. Beyond the level cap, some social functions are locked out as an anti-RMT measure, but it'll give you an early idea of the game. If you're concerned about slowness of combat, just watch a video of endgame combat.
At worst, you don't like the game and all that was spent was some time to confirm that it's not for you.
21dc66 No.14698483
>>14698255
FF14 is the opposite of what this thread is about >>14678865
083986 No.14698542
>>14678566
>>14698483
>>14678865
i bet you're happy they "blasted" a potential FFXI-2 for this WOWXIV garbage huh?
21dc66 No.14698560
>>14698542
Would it kill squeenix to update FF11 with interface that non-autistic human could use?
a68d5c No.14698951
>>14698560
>waaa the UI is too hard!
yes, yes it would. the whole point of XI is that you need to LEARN how to play. you're not served it in a platter with "follow the line, talk to NPC, interact with object, follow the line, talk to NPC", like you are in XIV.
beyond that, FFXI retail is dead as shit, it became a powercreep garbagefest. where every piece of new content stepped over and neutered the previous, older content. so now they have 2 shit MMOs instead of a good one, but hey, XIV brings in massive NORMALFAG BUXX
bc720a No.14699175
>>14698951
Nigga the camera controls for FFXI were designed for consoles, it's fucking horrible.
975b95 No.14699181
>>14698951
Basic functionality is not "learn how to play".
Enjoy your dead game captain autismo.
a68d5c No.14699194
>>14699181
>Enjoy your dead game captain autismo.
on it.
enjoy your dailies you casual.
975b95 No.14699209
>>14699194
>a bunch of furries
Who would have thought.
a68d5c No.14699220
>>14699209
>taru
>furries
are you mentally retarded?
975b95 No.14699225
>>14699220
>this is not furry if it has fantasy name
Are you?
a68d5c No.14699245
>>14699225
how are taru furry you stupid fuck
8c9a15 No.14699291
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000000 No.14701429
MMOs aren't coming back because normalfags killed all massive multiplayer playbases and their communities.
>>14687551
chippies
a91cee No.14702170
>>14694942
>I miss it, but I know it's not the same as it was. I can never go back to that.
Same anon, same…