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What the hell happened?

This game is just going to stay in early access forever, isn't it?

>>14609645

It's made by Bethesda

>>14609655

>It's made by Bethesda

Ah carry on then.

>>14609624

Hey

you guys remember when Quake was a shooter set in gothic castles and lovecraftian dimensions?

>>14609683

Yes and I fucking miss that.

Terrible video. Only 382 views and unlisted? Suspicious.

Quake Champions might be a good game but the marketing and art direction for it is abysmal.

And for some reason that video is unlisted so you can't find it on their youtube page or through a search. It also means the playlist will generally have nothing else Quake related in it.

They probably do this on purpose to collect analytics on viewership based on where it's posted. This is why using Hooktube or posting webms is the way to go.

>>14609700 (Checked)

>analytics

Oh. I reported OP.

>>14609683

Hey

you guys remember when Quake was an overrated FPS with terrible guns and enemies?

>>14609700

Webm should be the only way to go. Only in extreme situations where the video is an hour long or longer hooktube might be acceptable to embed but even then you could always split up the video into multiple parts. But such long videos are usually pretty rare and with the 16 MB filesize limit there's really no excuse to ever embed. Embeding is just lazy faggotry that that shows OPs couldn't be bothered to provide even a little effort into their threads.

Wretched. As if I didn't feel bad enough about Quake Wars being dead.

>>14609781

No, go back to whatever timeline you came from.

>>14609846

Quake 2 > Quake 1

>>14609852

I've never felt the urge to replay it but had friends big into the multiplayer. It did have a slick grenade launcher.

>>14609852

pure shit taste

>>14609683

I remember it had awesome graphics which worked on every machine and it was a cool shooter and there was some demon in the middle of the magma, which was killed by pressing buttons.

Since anons are talking Quake 1/2, let me ask you something. I've played the classic Dooms now but I'm reticent about trying Quake. I get the impression it's more empty on account of poly quotas. Is it worth it without nostalgia? I was extremely surprised by Doom1/2 on this regard (how come nobody makes another fast-maze-nonrespawning-gore fest?).

>>14609946

Quake is better than Doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EUoXoc_yzc

>mfw watching the trailer

>>14609852

Quake 2 is really not bad at all. It just should have been called something else (which they intended but couldn't think of a decent name). 4 is also decent.

>>14610018

quake 2 is an awful game and without the quake name to ride on people would have been a lot more reserved with it. The levels are shit full of backtracking and a samey aesthetic, the music is garbage butt rock and has no effect on the mood. the enemies are all shitty bullet sponges and the weapons are all incredibly ineffective. Plus the fact that they thought they were being smart by angling the hitscan projectiles of the shotguns makes them irritating and uninteresting to use.

The only people who like quake 2 are faggots who want to appear oldschool and decide to cling on to the worst game id made until rage. If you know shit about games and game design you'd trash quake 2.

Wait… what the hell is that trailer? Did they say "we want the Borderlands audience" or what?

>>14610027

>samey aesthetic

<implying this doesn't apply to Quake 1

>the music is garbage butt rock

>l-look at my shit taste

>weapons are all incredibly ineffective

Care to elaborate on that? Also, hilarious, considering Quake 1's weapons are pretty shit, like the nailguns. Quake 2's got a hell of a lot more variety in weapons as well, vs Quake 1's shittier version of Doom's weapons.

>The only people who like quake 2 are faggots who want to appear oldschool

>y-you just want to appear oldschool

Why do I get the impression most of the anons jizzing all over Quake 1 on /v/ are doing exactly this?

>>14610078

quake 1 has levels that actually feel different. Castles, techno fortresses, wooden constructs and blue tiled rooms. quake 2 has crates. lots of crates. quake 1 also has some crates. quake 2 is the most crate-filled game in existence.

>l-look at my shit taste

>defending music that sounds the same on every level and isn't even hand picked for the level, just there to fill space

>no moody music like doom which dabbles in ambient tracks frequently between its rock songs

>no oppressive industrial music which sets the mood of otherworldly horror

>just hurr durr look at me guise im a dudebro except I'm playing oldskool halo aka quake 2

>Care to elaborate on that?

yes, quake 2's weapons are overbalanced with no weaknesses or strengths. When the rocket launcher is as effective as the double shotgun and vice versa, and the chain gun is a literal upgrade to the SMG and the blaster fucking exists, yes. It's pure shit. There's 3 auto fire weapons, each replacing the previous, two shotguns, both of which are shit at range unlike in q1 which has both shotguns fulfill unique purposes, the most pathetic sounding grenade launcher that farts grenades a few feet. It's literally indefensible, look, you didn't even offer an argument. You just deflected.

>Quake 1's weapons are pretty shit, like the nailguns

the only bad weapon in quake 1 is the nailgun which is utterly replaced by the SNG. If you think they're both useless you are a pure shitter and never played the game, the SNG is possibly the most useful weapon in the game and it takes skill to use. Unlike the hyperblaster which sounds like shit and runs out of ammo too quickly to be any use.

>Why do I get the impression

because quake 1 is actually a good game unlike quake 2.

>>14610101

>quake 1 has levels that actually feel different. Castles, techno fortresses, wooden constructs and blue tiled rooms.

They all look the same extremely low poly brown/beige mess

>quake 2 has crates, lots of crates

Confirmed for not making it past the opening stages.

>When the rocket launcher is as effective as the double shotgun

<making shit up

>two shotguns, both of which are shit at range unlike in q1

>wah I couldn't hit things not because I suck, but because the GAME sucks

>the most pathetic sounding grenade launcher that farts grenades a few feet

<few feet

If you're going to make shit up, at least don't be so obvious about it.

>you just deflected

>you didn't offer an argument

Nigger you haven't offered a substantial argument yet, you've just thrown retarded untrue shit at the wall and hoped it would stick.

>the only bad weapon in quake 1 is the nailgun which is utterly replaced by the SNG

Which is also shit

>i-it's useful

Its usefulness isn't the question here, the whole concept of it is shit, its just the super version of an already shit gun

>because quake 1 is actually a good game unlike quake 2

Quake 1 is a tech demo of what Doom would be like if it was a brown true 3D mess with shit weapons, shit enemies, shit level design overly relying on being fully 3D. The only reason Quake 1 gets the praise it does is due to nostalgia or signaling, and the latter is what I believe you are doing, you fucking poseur.

>>14610148

>They all look the same extremely low poly brown/beige mess

blind and retarded, got it

>Confirmed for not making it past the opening stages.

it also has brown castles, brown mines, brown space fortresses, and brown corridors.

>Its usefulness isn't the question here, the whole concept of it is shit, its just the super version of an already shit gun

>can't even lead his projectiles

wew laddie

>the rest

>still no argument

so now that we've established that quake 2's levels are even browner than quake despite having colored lighting (seriously how do you fuck up that bad?), the weapons are all useless shit that do incredibly samey damage across the board making the only useful weapon in the game the hyper blaster, a weapon there isn't enough ammo for delegating you to garbage like the SMG with its retarded crawling recoil which when compensated for resets your view like holy fuck how stupid is that, a lack of a melee weapon and instead a piddly infinite ammo pistol, useless power ups that allow the developers to be lazy in their design by making it so you can use it anywhere instead of pick up and go deal with the challenge ahead of you, we've come to an ends.

quake 2 is shit and your lack of an argument has proven it for me. Enjoy your backtracking, you must love it if you defend cuck2.

>>14610162

>blind and retarded, got it

OF COURSE! I forgot those blue tiled rooms! Wew, thanks for reminding me.

>it also has brown castles, brown mines, brown space fortresses, and brown corridors.

Keep throwing stones in that glass house of yours.

>>can't even lead his projectiles

>wew laddie

<implying

I said the concept is shit. Learn to fucking read.

>still no argument

>hurrdurrdrurdurrrudrudrudrudrudlrudru i suck cocks

Well damn, you didn't have to tell me about that last part, faggot.

>>14610170

>Keep throwing stones in that glass house of yours.

oh no I'm well aware of Quakes color palette. It's pretty limited, but they tried, lots of dark colors mostly, but there's areas with grass in them, and the later part of episode 4 is distinctly blue in its color scheme. Quake 2 repeats this and makes it worse some how with a lot of browns, oranges and reds and yellows throughout the game. It uses colored lighting for blue a few times but it's against a brown backdrop. Dunno how they managed to take the shortcomings of quakes visuals, add full RGB colored lighting and still make the game even browner. Goes to show hiring modders wasn't the best idea for quake 2. Romero may be a fucking idiot but at least his levels in Quake 1 have some great direction.

>I said the concept is shit. Learn to fucking read.

you're wrong entirely. a Rapid fire weapon that you need to lead your projectiles with is an inherent upgrade over hitscan weapons in terms of complexity and player engagement. Coupled with it being the most effective weapon to quad with. You are objectively wrong and as usual, you have no argument. You can't even say anything good about Quake 2. Only bad things about the first (much of which is wrong). Pure deflection, evasion, and basically admittance that I'm right about Quake 2 and it's a piece of shit.

>>14610188

>Quake 2 is like so brown and stuff

This has been a hilariously ironic meme spouted by Quake 1 fanboys forever, and the even more funny thing is if Quake 2 had a lot of colors you would faggots would be saying "its not enough like Quake 1, its too colorful." You fucking know this too, that's how shallow you faggots are. Also Quake 2 had more grass than Quake 1, but just conveniently ignore that.

> a Rapid fire weapon that you need to lead your projectiles with is an inherent upgrade over hitscan weapons in terms of complexity and player engagement.

I. Am. Not. Talking. About. How. The. Gun. Shoots.

>You are objectively wrong

Says the guy who says the Hyperblaster is the only useful gun in Quake 2 when everyone, particularly most Quake 1 fanboys, that the OP railgun is the most useful weapon and has shitloads of ammo.

>>14610204

No I'd be saying its a nice change in aesthetic, but it doesn't do that so it's an uglier aesthetic. Quake 2 had grass? I remember dirt, rock, and gravel. Maybe if it was green I'd remember it.

>I. Am. Not. Talking. About. How. The. Gun. Shoots.

all that's left is the fact it's a gun that shoots 9" nails which if you aren't behind the concept you are basically screaming you have garbage taste.

>muh rail gun

wow an instant hitting, high damage, slow reload weapon. Haven't seen enough of those in fucking every game ever. Rail gun is shit in Quake 2. They fixed it in 3 fortunately. The shaft in quake 1 is the same concept but better, and it even has an interesting meta when used in water. The rail gun? hurr durr I clicke

>>14610236

I'm not desperate, I'm just dedicated. The rail in q3 is better anyway. Nobody can defend quake 2, they can only attack better games to try and bring them down to the same level.

>>14610216

>Quake 2 had grass?

Yes, though I might have exaggerated it having more than Quake 1. It's in one of the earlier missions.

>all that's left is the fact it's a gun that shoots 9" nails which if you aren't behind the concept you are basically screaming you have garbage taste

>9" nails

Anon, they are triangles. As for the "oh so awesome" way you shoot them at enemies, the hyperblaster does that, and is a hell of a lot more cool than grey triangles we have to pretend are 9" nails.

>wow an instant hitting, high damage, slow reload weapon. Haven't seen enough of those in fucking every game ever.

Copied from Quake 2. Also

>shotguns

>wow slow firing, spread shot weapons, high powered up close. Haven't seen those in fucking every game ever.

That's how retarded that argument is. Not to mention I said the railgun was OP AND you get too much ammo for it, but the same could be said for a lot of the weapons in Quake 2 (the ammo part), but you're crying about not enough for them despite that.

>>14610258

The quake 1 SG is useful at long range, especially with a quad.

>>14610269

Like having to deliberately place health packs and ammo in key areas, having it so designers could just shit in whatever power ups and let the player decide when to use them so they don't feel pressured is just lazy design. are you going to defend regen health next? Make a halo thread, casual.

>>14610279

The difference between health packs and a powerup is that most often the powerup gets wasted or becomes such a part of the level design it removes unique play. Also, if the powerup is so much part of the design, that means it is utterly meaningless, since they could have just had fewer enemies there or more ammo to pick up instead.

>>14610268

That's tor you newfag

>>14610290

>TOR

>not all 0s

>>14609624

I'm surprised Todd Howard and Bethesda didn't can this game like what Epic did with Paragon and Unreal Tournament to make a shitty Fallout Battle Royale Wasteland f2p game

>>14610292

I think he just responded reflexively.

>>14610027

>The levels are shit full of backtracking

Yeah man, fuck the entire Metroidvania genre, hurr durr.

>garbage butt rock

Buttrock is shit like nickleback you fucking retard, not Industrial Metal. Vid related is "buttrock" apparently.

>and has no effect on the mood

It perfectly fits running around on an alien planet fucking up a bunch of cyborgs. Quake 1s soundtrack, although good, felt like it belonged in a survival horror game, not a fast paced classic FPS, ID dropped him and went with Sonic Mayhem for Quake 2 for that exact reason. Even people who outright despise Q2 praise the soundtrack.

>the enemies are all shitty bullet sponges and the weapons are all incredibly ineffective

"I win because I saw you first" is retarded garbage that only the CoD generation loves. Having a drawn out battle where you actually have to dodge attacks and think is far superior.

>Plus the fact that they thought they were being smart by angling the hitscan projectiles of the shotguns makes them irritating and uninteresting to use.

aka you were too fucking stupid to adjust to the fact that projectiles travel more realistically instead of flying out of your face. This shit is just embarassing to read.

>>14610302

>Industrial Metal. Vid related is "buttrock" apparently.

Eh…here's a proper example

>>14609624

After Battleborn, why did Bethesda think it was a good idea to do a cross promotion with Gearbox?

>not playing this instead

http://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-champions-doom-edition

>>14610302

>all these non-arguments

>defending running through empty levels with a blaring siren in the background because games from a totally different genre built for backtracking do it

>defending school shooter music

>defending bullet sponge enemies that all look the same, all sound the same, all sound retarded, fail to fill niches like quakes enemies, can't even explain why they're good and not tedious

>thinks bullets shouldn't go to the center of the screen and "realistic" is a good thing

who let this glow in the darkie out?

>>14610033

>implying Borderlands still has an audience, after 3 and a half years of no new games, and shit like Battleborn to fill the gap except it flopped and noone finds Borderlands appealing anymore either

>implying Borderlands 3 won't flop like a fish and bury Gearbox once and for all

Borderlands' window of appeal was somewhat short-lived, it might have appealed to edgy teenagers in the late-2000's who still listened to buttrock music and just-played Fallout 3 for the first time, but nearly a decade since then co-op FPS and shoot 'n loot games are a dime a dozen with the stigma of Destiny attached to it. Even a big game of the same genre; Anthem, is doomed to fail at this point. Borderlands 3 will likely suffer a similar fate.

>>14611333

>empty levels

<when Quake 1 hilariously has far less in its levels

>school shooter music

>pretending there weren't melee enemies, hitscan enemies, projectile enemies

>bullets got to go to the center, except my nailguns, they're fine /hypocrisy

Waste of trips

>>14611972

Weren't they doing a some kind of FPS game with cards now?

>>14611981

Yes, I heard the beta was a shitshow, with everything having unlimited ammo, so everyone just used rocket launchers.

>>14611981

> project 1v1

Kek, it will probably flop too. Reminder that the only Gearbox games to not flop hard are Borderlands 1 and 2.

This game is going to flop. Want to know why? No objective based modes. No CTF or freezetag or capture objective modes. Casuals do not like straight PvP deathmatch, it's too intimidating for them. The devs think they are smart by focusing their attention on making shitty Overwatch heroes instead of modes that more casual players would actually like.

>>14612075

It already flopped.

>>14611333

>bullet sponge enemies

>Quack

It checks out.

>fail to fill niches like quakes enemies

<Quake enemies

>shooty guy + with projectiles, guy with grenades, big guy, guy with homing projectiles, guy that just runs into you, underwater enemy, flying guy, Spawn, guy that can leap

<Quake 2 enemies

>shooty guy ✔ + with projectiles ✔, guy with grenades ✔, big guy ✔, guy with homing projectiles X, guy that just runs into you ✔, underwater enemy ✔, flying guy ✔, Spawn X, guy that can leap ✔, sniper guy, guy that revives enemies, RL guy, boss guy

>thinks bullets shouldn't go to the center of the screen and "realistic" is a good thing

Except they go to the center of the screen, they come out slightly to the left\right of player's center, just like nails from Q1's nailgun unless you use "hand 2" which makes shots come out from player's center.

You don't deserve these trips.

>>14612664

90% of NuDoom's exploration was jumping.

>>14612652

Oh and I forgot the worst part. The fucking latency. There are so many times I died but didn't know because the game takes .5 to 1 full second to let you know you died. There are many times I was dead but didn't realize it yet so I popped my ult and then when I respawned my ult was gone because I used it during that dead but not knowing it time. The latency is fucking horrible and for an Arena shooter it is unforgivable.

>>14612664

Because they are basing it off of NuDoom and you have to play with his shitty NuDoom armor unless you get a new skin (which I did as soon as I played him) but in order to get the "classic" skin you have to do it by collecting retarded ass "lore scrolls" which are randomly placed in the maps which is a horrible decisions because it means players will be spending their time looking for skin unlock items instead of actually playing the game properly.

>>14612652

>When doing an attack doom guy randomly jumps at an enemy which sometimes causes him to jump off the fucking map causing you to die and get a suicide

What the fuck

>>14612750

Railguns are not a terrible idea anymore than rocket launchers. Arguably the only problem is the implementation and/or the abundance of ammo.

>>14613230

>Go play the same 2 games you have been playing for 15 years

It's hell anon, I just want something more but every time they try it's shit or they kill it.

>>14609781

I thought I was the only one who felt that way, I always thought that quake was shit, even as a kid back in the 90's.

>>14612664

Bethesda seems to think Brutal Doom was how the original games were, which is fine by me because I can just play a free mod made by a borderline retarded BR and get the exact same if not better experience.

Looking back at the old Quake it's insane to think these two games are in the same series.

haha time for doom

>fucking up quake

It's almost impressive how you could ruin something so unbelievably simplistic and perfected in design. We need to start a shill campaign for Xonotic.

>>14609624

>it's a ZeniMax Quake to go with your ZeniMax Doom

>but it's an even worse flop than ZeniMax Doom was - it's got less players than Quake Live

Feels pretty good

>>14612720

>alphablaster

>his avatar has gotten even gayer to boot

th-thanks

>>14614697

wasn't nuDoom a financial success?

>>14614739

It was middling at best. Somewhere around 2 million copies. Which is, honestly, fucking pathetic, seeing as Doom sold somewhere between 2.5 and 3 million copies between 94 and 99, back when vidya wasn't nearly as big of an industry.

>>14614770

Seriously? That's sad. nuDoom wasn't great, but it was okay. At least it was the closest we've had in a long time to fast paced fps fun.

>>14614770

>It was middling at best. Somewhere around 2 million copies.

That would be a massive flop considering how much they spent on Marketing alone. Original Doom was way more profitable, they spent next to nothing on marketing due to Shareware and their team was relatively small for the time (compared to console developers). I'm glad. Fuck Zenimax.

>>14614770

I still remember the E3 after it released and the only think they had to show was that it had a demo. Safe to say it underperformed at the very least.

>>14614786

I know, Todd, it's a real tragedy.

>>14609655

Is there anything they don't ruin?

>>14614786

Leave.

>>14614786

Nothing about nuDoom is fast paced or fun.

>>14626102

The combat is fast paced, and it verges on fun. Granted, I'm practically a beggar in these matters, but still.

>>14626102

Play it and you'll see it's actually good. Oh right nobody on /v/ actually plays modern games they just parrot whatever opinion they saw someone else have.

>>14626102

I mean, if you do nothing but play Unreal and smoke meth, yeah I guess its pretty slow paced. should give it a shot instead of just parroting Sam Hyde anon, it actually gets pretty hectic and fast about 30 percent into the game

>>14612652

you should play the new unreal anon, its literally just UT99 with a graphics update, no gay champions shit. You cant customize your character without leveling up, thats my only complaint and its a very minor one. Oh, and it would be nice if they had maps that allowed more players, I miss the wild 15 man DM's of UT99, but with 6 players it works just fine tbh

>>14621257

The fucking smug look on that soldiers face, damn it.

>>14626102

t. hasn't played it

Looks like shit tbh.

>>14610268

>Expected this to be a reply to a TOR ID

>It wasn't

Weird.

Wew lad.

>>14634780

Yeah and they fucking killed it to make a PUBG clone.

>>14654468

What?

>>14634780

>early access F2P paid mods

>>14661231

This is the world we live in now.

>>14654468

>Another PUBG clone

When will it end?

>>14663576

>implying UT was ever going to be a success

>>14609624

>Quake is F2P mobashit

>Doom is halo with cutscenes every 5 seconds

>DN:F was a disaster

>Wolfenstein is lefty propaganda.

>UT is ded

>Hexen is ded

>Strife is ded

Is there even any hope left at this point?

>>14615222

>durr /pol/tard

/pol/ and /v/ have always been the same place here newfag.

>literally "we said niggers but ironically"

Glad were still getting millage out of such ancient OC.

>>14631205

>maybe if we repeat this every time a shitty kike triple A fps comes out it'll stick

Fun fact, this is how you out yourself as a newfag/outsider.

>>14634761

No it doesn't.

>>14667141

See all the faggots defending nuDoom like it's Summer year round? Unironically shilling for a soulless kiked company's shitty reboot? First person shooters aren't the only thing we should be worried about.

>>14658615

>>14663559

fortnite retards

>>14668826

>/pol/ and /v/ the same

>newfag

I want reddit to leave

>>14668861

>reddit

>not whining incessantly about Nazi shitposters

I ABHOR YOU FUCKING USELESS FAGGOTS! ALWAYS PROJECTING AND NEVER GENUINE IN INTENTIONS. REDDITORS NEVER ADMIT TO BEING REDDITORS AND NEVER LURK.

>>14668839

I just pirated Amid Evil. Haven't opened it yet but it looks somewhat like what you're asking.

>>14610236

Trips ID of truth.

>>14669341

>Only 1k players

>750,000 of price money

Holy crap, that's $750 per player. Is it worth playing for nearly $1000 to do so?

>>14669341

If Cliffy B. holds a lawbreakers tournament with a total price pool of $751 he'd have the highest prize money in esports per playerbase. :^)

>>14609700

>Quake Champions might be a good game

It's not, I've played it. The game itself might have been playable if it weren't for the terrible optimization and forced matchmaking with long queue times. I did some timing: matches last about 15 minutes (longer if you play Sacrifice, which nobody plays) and you spend about 3 minutes inbetween matches waiting for obnoxious menu animations and queuing. So you spend 20% of your time not playing the game just to play the game. Meanwhile you can click about 3 times in Quake 3 Arena and be playing on your favorite dedicated server. There is no reason to play this fucking game. The mechanics could very easily be replicated in Q3A as a mod with some simple scripting, you wouldn't even need custom assets. As a matter of fact when I first played it, I thought, "this just feels like a mod for Quake 3."

The marketing is fucking awful though, I agree. I definitely prefer the camp humor of original Quake and Doom to this over-the-top shit. It's much less funny when a game goes out of its way to be clowny as opposed to being funny as a result of seeming to take itself too seriously. The serious atmosphere creates a stark contrast when funny shit happens in the game, which results in it being funnier.

>>14669247

I've played Amid Evil. It seems to be pretty solid so far. Level design is pretty decent, the enemy variety is also pretty good, although they are delineated by episode (so each group of levels will have a different enemy set). I like the weapons and bringing back the tome of power mechanic from Heretic was a great idea. You can even use the powered-up axe as a propeller underwater.

>>14675431

Oh yeah, and most importantly, all of the levels are designed to be played with a basic weapon start, which in this case is the axe.

>>14669341

Yep, that's JUST.

>>14609829

I'm not creating a webm just to please the miserable faggots on this website.