/v/ - Video Games

>Who is buying all the indie shit?

Nobody. Unless the game also has a card system, in which case the steam mega-autists looking to increase their levels will buy them and 'play' them for a few hours until they get their drops.

>Who is buying all the indie shit?

Haven't you seen >>14543589 ?

The answer is:

No one.

Nobody, the only people winning is Valve since you pay them ~$100 to put your indie game on their site, so most are in the red at the end of the day.

>I bought NNK2

I guess there's worse games to buy-.

>and FF15RE

You better of just gotten it for your PS4 to have a game on it and not supported denuvo.

Literature and film enthusiasts have the same problem. Even if you were to only go through the stuff that's been produced up until now, that's already more games than a person can play and complete within 10 lifetimes. Then there's more stuff being made and released on top of that every day. Inevitably you're going to miss out on some good games, but when you consider that 3/4 of any media is between garbage and mediocre, you're not missing out on as much as you might initially believe.

>"So here's the thing. In February, around 850 games launched on Steam, which is about 40 a day,"

And if you take just one look at what most of those games are you realise they really aren't worth your time.

Man, I was kind of looking forward to pirating Ni No Kuni 2. It looked like a decent thing to keep me occupied until Falcom decides to hand the Ys8 port to someone actually competent.

>>14553068

I do agree that devil summoner is a very good game but NNK looks good.

>>14553032

>3/4

Those are some awfully low standards. If 40 games launch on Steam every day, are you seriously implying that there are 10 good games coming out daily without anyone noticing?

>>14553147

>150m on Steam

Steam is irrelevant. A full 50% of those are Chinese

>Steam

OP please.

>I try to finish every game I play

seriously? that's most people who aren't faggots. I thought you meant 100%ing for a second, which would be atypical and autistic, unless you mean you try to finish every game you play no matter how unenjoyable it gets for you and even if you end up disliking it.

Work on your backlog. Focus on indieshit later. There's a lot of legendary games of ages past. Focus on those and the newer shit later.

>How can this industry continue to survive? Who is buying all the indie shit?

There is a small minority of Steam users who just buy everything and sit on it. They don't really do anything and they are not actually keeping any of those projects afloat with endless dosh it's just a one and done deal.

>>14552887

>having steam and buying games

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF NU/V/

>>14553147

Yeah but all those Steam users are LITERALLY playing the same 5 games.

I think we have to accept something: there is no niche audience to speak of.

>>14557795

>As opposed to what?

As opposed to not doing that, you retard.

>>14557587

Shoo tankie shoo

>people who quit Steam just this year bitching at others for still using it

Steam has been bad for years, was always unwelcome DRM gaming centralization, and neither me or any of my old gamer friends have used it significantly for a long time. That said I don't sperg out at people for still having it. That's some real shit-tier elitism right there.

The majority of things are garbage, a minority are good, and a minority of the previous minority are exceptional. Of these good and exceptional games there are also some in genres you dislike or some other little niggle that will put you off them, so overall you're not really missing out on much. Just try to make sure you try a few games a week or something, the vast majority of the time you can tell if you're going to enjoy something within 30 minutes of playing it.

>>14553147

https://galyonk.in/your-target-audience-doesn-t-exist-999b78aa77ae?gi=4ac98189dd1d

https://archive.fo/OOnyk

>In fact, 1% of Steam gamers own 33% of all copies of games on Steam. 20% of Steam gamers own 88% of games. That’s even more than Pareto principle suggests.

>So, to be a member of the “1% group” of Steam gamers you have to own 107 games or more. That’s not much considering how Steam is selling games at discount prices and how easy it is to obtain games in bundles.

>We’re talking about 1.3M PC gamers that could fall into definition of “core gamer that buys several games per year”. And that’s including discounted games as well.

>Of course we could extend it to, I don’t know, “softcore gamers” — the 20% that own 88% games. To be included you’d have to own 4 (FOUR) games or more on Steam — not exactly a huge number, right?

>Let me repeat it once more, because it’s really important.

>Various studies suggest that there are 700–800 million of PC gamers. It’s probably true, but it doesn’t mean much for your game. Because if you’re developing a downloadable game for Steam you’re not even fighting for 135M of its active users, you’re fighting for the attention of 1.3 million gamers that are actually buying lots of games.

Don't be fooled by the massive raw numbers. The success or failure of the vast majority of games is determined by the niche audience, because for most games the niche audience is the only audience that exists. The only issue is that a lot of developers don't seem to realize this.

>>14552887

>throw together a shitty game in RPG maker in one week (where you mostly slack off anyway), sell it for $20/copy

>50 dumb motherfuckers buy it

>you just made $1000 in one week, not having to leave your basement and having virtually no production costs whatsoever

>repeat ad inifinite, cutting the development time with every shitty game as you get more familiar with the engine

With so much influx of shit games, will we really see another crash?

Follow up question, is, how will a person who genuinely wants to make fun games able to compete in this saturated market?

>>14558170

>Hey anons I made [game], it does [selling point]. Here's the demo and a few keys. I can answer any questions

If it's shit it gets ignored, if it isn't then it spreads by word of mouth

>>14558170

Make a good gaym and shill it here. That's it.

Once your tastes mature like mine you'll realize most videogames are shit and not worth your time.

>>14558170

The crash is already ongoing. If a place like this seems to dictate what is played, Western vidya is really doomed. Atari and Mattell had the same home made problem; too many hacks were able to sell their garbage on their platform leaving console gaming practically to big N that had only to exclude Sega from big box retailers to rake in enough money to survive a flop like the Wii U.

>>14558409

The difference being everyone is used to wading through shit for all media these days

>>14558170

Good luck with that.

More and more people are simply fed up with wasting money on shitty games to trust anyone anymore.

A good developer will still have his game pirated or ignored by most people.

Developers are fucked either way.

>>14557795

you shouldn't be using (((Steam))) at all you fucking retard, you're contributing to the cancer that is valve, buy it from their sites or other sources and stop supporting them you cocksucker

>>14552893

Do these autists prefer games with smaller or larger card sets?

>>14552893

Fucking remember when this shit was first announced and anons were talking about it like it was the freaking stock market and how they were going to make investments in the right cards to make their millions…

>>14552893

But that raises even more questions. Who the fuck is buying these random cards?

>How can this industry continue to survive?

The industry will survive.

Indies on Steam can't.

They're already fleeing. There's some Zelda-like game that recently relaunched on Switch? Got like 20x the sales it did on Steam. There is fucking zero discover-ability on Steam because Valve thinks algorithms will save the world. They want Steam Curators to do the work FOR them, and essentially pay for the privilege.

>Who is buying all the indie shit?

Nobody. See above.

>and pixelshit aren't bad things in and of themselves

Bad art shouldn't turn anyone off a game if the rest of it is good enough, but pixelshit isn't just bad, it's ignorant and pretentious. Until every single indieshitter knows what "rixels", "mixels", "ramp gradients", etc, are, and why they're bad, everyone will have to keep harping on this.

At least the switch to 4th-gen 3D has brought them to a phase of retro graphics that's harder to fuck up so bad.

Where do I go for self improvement and help on finding jobs? /v/ is the only place I know ;_;

>>14561652

wut

Is not me, I've never encountered such a thing. I lurk 99% and almost never post.

>>14561005

this, indies are finished

>>14559384

Investing into Undertale's spaghetti background got me like 20-25 bucks.

Not millions but I guess someone more economically savvy could've gained a pretty penny.

My favourite genre is JRPG

shit taste

>>14561645

stop using /v/ for a start, then stop using computers. Don't be picky, hard labor isn't THAT bad (sometimes…)

>>14553147

That's because PC players refuse to pay for anything, and pretend it's a noble cause to do so.

>>14573547

Yeah, the new generation are cancerous and have shitty tastes, they might as well be mindless drones

>>14552887

I'd assume it's self perpetuating with key resellers and all at this point. There's also all those garbage bundle sites too, where games try to get some advertisement by nearly or outright giving their work away for free. I think there's more dignity left in truck stop hooking than this.

>>14573564

It is not noble.

It is good.

Stay mad.

>>14558051

Yeah steam has got a big problem if that is true. 80% of people owning less than 4 games (does that include free to play games like TF2?) is just ridiculous.

>>14558133

Well you have to account for the cut from steam, rpg maker terms of service, and you might not even get 50 buyers. But yeah ngetting a return on investment of a few hundred bucks shouldn't be that hard with trash games. The question is why people are turning to steam when appstores have classically been the hub for this type of shoddy material.

>>14573547

How hard is it to store thousands of physical games? I just got a few hard drives with a few thousand roms in the case the internet goes bad.

>>14573847

Innovation will never die it will simply be harder billion dollar companies to take risks, the same as the movie industry. There will always be hobbiests with an idea. My faith in the indy market to fill the creative gap entirely is low. The most popular indy games are because of controversy or rehashing nostalgia.

>>14573847

That's a really shitty gondola. Ignoring the le spook man book, Gondola isn't supposed to have a torso, and his eyes are too far up.

>>14574016

Did you play sticker super star? it's terrible beyond belief.

>>14574016

>most offensive case was Super Paper Mario, what the fuck were they thinking

That one's not an RPG. I thought it sucked back in the day, but in hindsight, at least it still has some charm. Modern Mario RPGs are the textbook definition of soulless and boring.

>>14574032

Yeah, didn’t Miyamoto get a wild hair up his ass because “Hurr, should notto be story in Mario gaemu.” So he purposely sabotaged Sticker Star through managerial bullshit?

>>14574045

Wouldn't surprise me. That dude's a fucking asshole who's ruined more game's than he's made.

>>14573547

Kinda makes ya realize why a lot of people in the industry are still trying to push muh 3D and muh VR. It's the only way they, in their minds, can innovate and come up with something new. Current innovation is dead and has been for more than a decade.

>>14573977

They're also displaying far too much emotion, it really is trash. Up there with gondo talking. Fucking normalfags.

>>14574086

All memes eventually end up in the hands of normalfags, who in turn ruin them. Gondo was only a matter of time.

>>14574045

I thought it was some market analysis shit, where they asked a bunch of slants and they said they didn't care about the story.

>>14552887

Add flash games too.

>>14574032

>>14574016

I thought Super Paper Mario was alright, to be honest, but it wasn't a true Paper Mario game.

I am similar to James Rolfe anyway. I am still very attached to older games, but I am sometimes intrigued by newer ones. Most games I can tell will bore me though. Particularly any game that is marketed as being "open world".

>>14557991

>M-muh cancer sale

Fuck off, those games are actually alright. They're designed for a few people with controllers to play together, just because you don't like something doesn't make it cancer.

>more games than ever

>They are almost all horrible

>>14558051

Jaw dropping statistic that inspire obscene amounts of hopelessness.

Don't buy games on steam

Or at the very least

IF you are going to buy games on steam, pay for it with steam market and never actually put any of your own money into it.

What a LOT of OP is talking about is asset flips in basic engines and VNs. It's like, you know those bootleg Cartridges that you could buy for the NES that had 76000000000 games in one? But most of them were the same game listed over and over again?

That's steam, and for a while(or it may still be the case who knows), there was literally no company curation of what went onto the actual store just the easily abused system of greenlight, which people who run trading bots and things like that sold out votes to asset flipping companies to put these games on steam. It'd be legitimately difficult to actually prune away the garbage, but just as an example.

There is literally a furry fetish VN for sale on steam right now, there's basically no gameplay, some of the actual dialog options are dummied out "progress the dialog" options that don't actually change anything and it's, well no it isn't basically, it's literally furry porn, for sale, on steam.

TL;DR

Use a different storefront steam doesn't curate

>>14575435

Anyone who falls for buying a shitty indie game deserves it.

>>14553032

>literature and film enthusiasts

You mean sonyggers?

>>14552893

FPBP