0915d6 No.14543589
http://archive.is/ZG69G
Or download it directly here >>>/pdfs/8557
So apparently games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to, not that this should be a surprise to any of you faggots. What should surprise you, however, is that they're beginning to admit it if only in an offhanded fashion during a GDC presentation by some nobody.
Also notice the attempt to shill his little publishing brand founded by ex game journos. Nothing suspicious there at all friend. Here, have an archive of their site http://archive.is/pxSd6
Now I'm not posting this to dissect this guy's info or to even laugh at him and the morons who still bother with all the shit shoveled onto Steam lately, but figured more that this was something people wanted to see considering how quiet GDC was this year. I would, however, like to get as much info on these fuckers as possible since gamasutra isn't exactly the most reputable site and I'm not really seeing why a guy behind a clone of that one moderately popular dirt bike game from a few years back whose name I can't seem to remember.
77b0d8 No.14543598
Good luck with that, anon.
9b1c65 No.14543599
>>14543589
>I wrote about video games for a decade at Gamasutra, Kotaku
Oh great, so he knows nothing about video games.
e1aa0d No.14543600
>games are selling less
>if you calculate it as an average of ALL games on steam
>including the 800 new shovelware titles nobody wants released every month
Only a game journalist could be that bad at statistics. I want to see the numbers when you exclude the obvious trash.
c0f123 No.14543603
>>14543589
>I wrote about video games for a decade at [VOMIT]
77b0d8 No.14543605
>>14543600
The obvious trash is still a large percentage of the market.
0915d6 No.14543610
Also it seems I had a stroke there at the end but meant to say I find it suspicious that this faggot was able to do a presentation while actual contributors to gaming like Nolan Bushnell were banned.
1bb214 No.14543611
>>14543589
>/cheese grater
OP is slightly less of a faggot today.
e1aa0d No.14543613
>>14543605
The thousands of mobileshit PC ports that were completely unknown even on phones, and only got 20 sales on Steam? Really?
77b0d8 No.14543617
>>14543613
Yeah, I don't know if you've opened Steam lately, but you have to wade through all that shit to find the stuff that isn't trash. Or you could listen to other people's recommendations, I guess. If you want to be a fag.
the real answer is to pirate everything like you should be doing anyway
0915d6 No.14543621
>>14543600
Also a fourth screenshot apparently didn't come through because he actually tried to do that, pic related. I'm sure the cutoff point for what he considers to be a crap game is within shitting distance of the money his turd made.
e1aa0d No.14543631
>>14543621
Yeah that's more like it, but I still assume what he considers trash is so far removed from what we consider trash, it may as well be on an alien planet.
590139 No.14543632
>>14543621
That strikes me as extremely scientifically rigorous.
02bcbd No.14543635
>uses median values to describe the average
Yids sure aren't good at math.
f44988 No.14543636
BUY NOTHING FROM TINYBUILD!!
caf9f9 No.14543640
>>14543589
>My name is Mike Rose and I know nothing about video games
>I will now take ALL games on steam and form a meaningless statistic to convince you you need my services
>please employ me
Also did he actually fucking trademark "Old Normal" and "The New Normal" or is he just putting that shit there at random? Really comes off as a professional.
0915d6 No.14543643
I probably shouldn't have to point this out either but it really bothers me how what many slides in that presentation are less informative than a niggertweet. I'd screenshot them all but fuck it. Just reading this gave me a headache and I have to take a shit.
3dcc88 No.14543646
I'll buy them if the devs are as cute as this Jew.
I want an Ashkenazi boy to fill up my Sephardic boypussy with his Anne frank seed.
77b0d8 No.14543648
>>14543643
Are you saying that reading these documents will cure me of constipation?
590139 No.14543655
>>14543646
>that
>cute
Get some fucking taste you faggot hebe.
3dcc88 No.14543661
>>14543655
You're going to have to warm me up then, I like my men masculine.
b596cf No.14543663
>Market is over-saturated.
>On top of that over saturation is an unending steaming pile of shit.
>On top of THAT is an infinite pile of lies and idiots that attach to the latest hip thing because some whiny screaming streamer or big tittied girl streamer likes it.
>On top of THAT even , comes the edge lords that unironically buy garbage.
Normal means nothing when everything is shit.
c728de No.14543665
Steam never should have opened the floodgates for all that indie trash
590139 No.14543666
e1aa0d No.14543668
>>14543640
The trademark thing is the least unprofessional part of everything in those slides. Probably the worst part is formulating his professional slideshow sentences like a grade school playground conversation.
>I joined a publisher and we did some games and stuff
>I use data and maths and stuff
>We've got other stuff too but it's all a bit hush hush right now, sorry
This is a pathetic soy-chugging numale with zero real world skills trying to convince a bunch of business professionals that he's "hip" and "with it," the TM is the least of his problems.
3dcc88 No.14543671
>>14543666
Your (((get))) says otherwise, Moloch.
590139 No.14543673
>>14543671
Were I Moloch, why would I fuck over my chosen people? I am Mitra btw.
24a0d8 No.14543674
>>14543621
>average price 10$
>mean 12$
what did he mean by this?
c4ddd6 No.14543676
>>14543636
Yandere sim will be an amazing game( I have funded it) and i am going to buy it when it releases in 2099
b17432 No.14543682
>>14543677
Wait,you're complaining about the thread,while stating VG is superior,but still staying in the thread instead of going over there?
Are you Retarded?
77b0d8 No.14543686
>>14543674
>he doesn't know the difference between a median and a mean
0915d6 No.14543693
>>14543648
Eating a whole cup of soaked lentils helps. >>14543682
Don't respond to derail goons.
b17432 No.14543699
>>14543693
Ah my bad,i shouldn't disparage those who have mental problems.
18cbbb No.14543700
>>14543686
But average is used for mean, not median.
e1aa0d No.14543702
>>14543686
median isn't average.
77b0d8 No.14543709
>>14543700
>>14543702
I knew I was gonna have to kick my own ass for not saying "average, median, and mean".
24a0d8 No.14543716
>>14543686
but average is mean not median
d21562 No.14543722
>>14543621
Awesome, so his entire research depends on him arbitrarily deciding which games he thinks will sell or not. Way to be objective! Your history at CuckTaco and Gaymomfootrub are really showing!
55aaa3 No.14543723
>>14543702
no that's Mordheim
590139 No.14543725
>>14543705
>discussion of video game sales patterns
>not video games
Fuck off retard.
9b1c65 No.14543729
77b0d8 No.14543734
>>14543700
>>14543702
>>14543716
Clearly you don't know how statistics work. Medians can be the average if it suits the purpose of your math. Much like the rest of statistics.
590139 No.14543735
>>14543732
This is why we shouldn't take refugees.
e1aa0d No.14543741
>>14543709
"average" and "mean" are the same, the sum divided by the number of components.
"median" is a completely different thing, it's just the one thing in the middle of the scale. It's like if you arranged 100 people by height, median would be guy #50.
e1aa0d No.14543744
>>14543734
That's how (((statistics))) work. Not statistics.
77b0d8 No.14543752
>>14543741
Yes, I'm aware of that.
>>14543744
I'm aware of that, too. The guy we're talking about is practicing (((statistics))) like many others in his field. It's commonplace and has been for decades.
e1aa0d No.14543768
>>14543752
Kikes doing it constantly isn't an excuse to go "oh well it's commonplace so let them be." Always stand up and challenge misinformation. You won't convince the jackass spouting it, but you may convince other people who might have listened to him if you didn't speak up. That's why we argue about games on here. "Your favorite game is shit" isn't trying to convince the OP that his favorite game is shit, his mind can't be changed. It's attempting to sway others not to play his favorite game if they see the thread in passing.
980da8 No.14543771
>>14543677
The developers of Morrowind are far more likeable.
b887c7 No.14543778
>Games aren't selling as much
>While more games are being released a day
>But it's them gamer's fault
>Not the fact that you're fucking releasing trash after trash
I'm one of these retards that will continue to use steam and half my library is full of trash that I don't even remember getting. The average moron won't even play half the shit they get. Either from a bundle, giveaway or it being dirt cheap you suddenly end up with a lot more games.
77b0d8 No.14543781
>>14543768
You're preaching to the choir, man.
b3b3c3 No.14543784
>>14543600
>I want to see the numbers when you exclude the obvious trash
They don't want to exclude obvious trash because that is their bread and butter.
e1aa0d No.14543797
>>14543778
>I'm one of these retards that will continue to use steam and half my library is full of trash that I don't even remember getting. The average moron won't even play half the shit they get.
I hope you realize some day that this is the ideal scenario for trash developers. You say it like it's a bad thing, but this is what they want. They don't care if you play it, they got some money from you. They got a sale. It doesn't matter that it was garbage and you never played it, they got their sales numbers which they can wave in front of a publisher to get money to make another garbage game.
3b528e No.14543800
>>14543589
>So apparently games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to
590139 No.14543802
>>14543778
I've got the same problem but with pirated shit. All hard drives must be full, even if they're half a terabyte and its on a nogames console.
590139 No.14543807
>>14543800
That last link proves his point though. Half of earnings came from 100 hames.
590139 No.14543808
>>14543807
Games god I am retarded
0915d6 No.14543813
>>14543800
How much of that is actually from games and not stupid shit like Counter Strike cosmetics I wonder.
b17432 No.14543814
>>14543807
Are hams kosher?
b887c7 No.14543818
>>14543797
Well at least in recent years my dumb purchasing's decreased to a minimum. I think a lot of people are now focusing on 1 or 2 games and sort of ignore everything else. For me I've just been going through my bottomless backlog and been emulating things like Rune Factory for the first time.
>>14543802
I have the same issue with both. I downloaded a bunch of Popcap games out of nostalgia but I have yet to install them. I think I have over 100 gb worth of installed games that I just don't play.
5883fa No.14543839
>>14543807
Mmmmn… steamed hames.
d21562 No.14543847
>>14543800
Steam is saturated, just like Google Play. There's a game for everything, and there's probably at least 5 different shitty versions of it on Steam.
Not to mention people got used to Steam. Years ago people would buy shit tons of shitty games because they were 20% off. People have learned now that Steam sales are bullshit that will get you 50% off of a game you'll never even play.
I think the guys study has a ton of flaws, but it's foolish to think you can chug out shitty indie games and make good money on steam. That ship has already sailed. But listening to him whine about being too late to a market is a solid sign he doesn't understand the first thing about capitalism.
70714c No.14543855
b17432 No.14543856
>>14543847
I miss when steam had flash sales and generally sales for appealing/good games,all those gifs and webms of 80 or 90 percent aren't on good games,they're on garbage or something everybody already owns.
3dcc88 No.14543864
>>14543855
Aurora Borealis?
590139 No.14543869
>>14543855
>>14543839
Don't like hot Haimes?
b887c7 No.14543872
>>14543847
Devs have to put effort to make games. It's like entertainment requires certain amount of effort to be enjoyable. It's like retarded Hollywood logic.
>We'll put billions in this movie and it'll sell well!
cfd522 No.14543876
You DO know we have PDF support, right?
e1aa0d No.14543882
>>14543856
Steam died when they got rid of limited time sales because it was UNFAAAAAIIIIIW to people who couldn't access the store within that time frame. You know, despite the steam app on smartphones having all the same store functionality as the desktop or browser version, and the fact every person with a wallet in every first world country has a smartphone on their person every minute of the day.
3dcc88 No.14543884
788549 No.14543889
>>14543589
>games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to
And by that you mean shit games aren't selling because Steam is oversaturated with them. Good games, even niche ones, still make a profit.
e0a365 No.14543899
>>14543882
>unfair
This was just the chosen excuse used so they could shekel their users harder and you know it, why dignify a dishonest pretense by repeating it?
0915d6 No.14543900
>>14543876
I tried and got an error message.
77b0d8 No.14543902
>>14543882
Steam can email you when shit you want is on sale, what possible excuse can they have?
Things I want to play are never on sale when I want to play them.
40a294 No.14543904
>>14543677
Ken Rolston was such a boss motherfucker among weirdos.
0915d6 No.14543905
>>14543900
Well now it works. Maybe you can't post pdfs and images at the same time?
412fde No.14543926
>>14543901
>what is monster hunter
788549 No.14543927
>>14543901
>Name some please.
Opus Magnum, Hollow Knight, Ruiner, Cuphead, Darkwood to just name a few.
572150 No.14543930
Why this thread exist?
>>14543889
Yeah, but on AVERAGE they dont.
788549 No.14543954
>>14543930
Yeah, but the average includes asset flipping garbage and RPG maker shovelware nobody ever buys.
>>14543941
>No fucking clue what was going on with "Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning" though.
It was supposed to be an MMORPG until they changed it to single player midway through development.
b17432 No.14543963
>>14543882
At least i can still get some steam games cheap from third party key sites,better then their garbage deals at least,i also have to do this most of the time if i want to gift to a friend in a different region because of their gift fuckery
"You want to hold a gift until later? FUCK YOU"
"Your friend is in a country where it's cheaper? FUCK YOU"
d21562 No.14543990
>>14543872
No, it's more like a giant hoard of talent-less hipsters saw a lot of people making good games and lots of money, and then jumped on it thinking they'd all make the same amount of money.
The hipster hoard has arrived on Steam, and they can't understand why they can't make money like people did in 2013.
Missing from the graph are 2016's games (4207)
https://archive.is/smMDY
And 2017 had over 7600
https://archive.is/KoKT7
2013, a little over 500 games were released on Steam.
No shit you can't make money on steam like you used to. Maybe if the hipster dumbfucks didn't spend all their time trying to over-saturate the game developer market by wanting to bring in more and more game developers, we wouldn't be this far out of fucking control.
ef1a2f No.14544002
this is actually pretty interesting information that frames some of the propaganda about PC gaming in a more realistic light. Indie developers don't do better.
0915d6 No.14544016
>>14543990
In case anyone was wondering, Gone Home and Depression quest were released in 2013. That was the tipping point it seems.
c74c08 No.14544048
>who is this depressing man
>thanks for noticing me
>awkward posture
>cringed up face
P R O G N O S I S : S O Y
520a80 No.14544235
>>14543990
Wasn't a Steam gaming crash predicted by the guy who runs Steam DB predicted two years ago? I can remember how games sold worse and worse and he was already seeing the writing on the wall. Also the indiescene as we fought it back in 2014 doesn't exist anymore. The Hipsters have lopped its head off to make gaming gay.
626de0 No.14544247
>>14543676
Every additional year that piece of vaporware doesn't get released I laugh a bit harder.
It amazes me that he still has any kind of audience, but I guess normalfags are known for their low standards.
caf9f9 No.14544269
>>14544247
When it releases and it's shit, reddit will defend it by saying that you aren't supposed to take such a game seriously, like with Goat simulator. Mark my words.
4c9e84 No.14544317
>>14544247
>Hack/Cuck-dev telling a portion of his audience that would have supported him at one point to go fuck themselves while seeing THEY bit the hand that feeds
I will never get over the irony
f2ee3d No.14544320
>>14544247
I'm so indescribably happy our current /agdg/ guys aren't as stupid as this cat.
8b8e69 No.14544335
If you anons weren't aware, Steam takes 25-30% of every game sold. On average. You can sometimes negotiate better rates.
Funny thing is that this cheaper than what a brick and mortar place like Gamestop or Walmart would charge. I think they get 35%.
t. gamedev anon
520a80 No.14544352
>>14543800
Ah yes. Here we have the guy. There was also a link to a good article about the coming crash. Looks like it is now here. Here's the article in question. We knew it was going to happen for over 2 years by now.
https://galyonk.in/some-things-you-should-know-about-steam-5eaffcf33218
>>14544269
Thank you Captain Obvious!
b1bf4f No.14544356
I knew there was hope for 2018
45ac93 No.14544377
>>14544247
>That last paragraph
Holy fuck I don't remember him being that much of a faggot
626de0 No.14544412
>>14544377
My best part about that thread that you don't really get from the screencap is that all the replies were smug anime girls and anons telling him that he was going to fail.
788549 No.14544417
>>14544352
It's really not so much a crash as it is the indie bubble bursting because the market is filled to the top with low quality trash no one is buying. The big publishers and their developers won't go anywhere, smaller and indie devs that made a name for themselves will still turn a profit.
0b04ad No.14544426
>>14544377
nigger, we're talking about a guy who started mining half/v/ and full/v/ for ideas to make a game to do two things:
>be able to rub it in the face of a game dev yankike worshiped and who told him that he'd never amount to anything
>redeem himself in the face of half/v/, who hated him so much they bullied him off the site twice
we exaggerate a lot on here, but i think i can honestly say he's the biggest faggot i've ever personally interacted with in all my years on the internet
0915d6 No.14544432
>>14544335
Retail rates can also be negotiated but good luck with that unless you're self publishing and also have a good track record.
8b8e69 No.14544447
>>14544432
Basically. I could imagine Steam lowering their take if you did something like shill their hardware or VR or some shit. Places like Gamestop and Best Buy usually ask/demand for bonuses exclusive to customers who buy the game from them if you want different terms. (Preorder shit.)
d21562 No.14544456
>>14544417
>>14544352
I have to agree. Indie game market is saturated, and everywhere you go, you see tons of shitty indie games. They are even flooding Nintendo eShop. The bubble is going to burst. This isn't just a Steam thing, it's an indie game thing. And the whole indie scene is going to start bleeding developers here pretty quickly.
0915d6 No.14544470
>>14544456
Considering the indie term has become a useless monicker that only works as a red flag this isn't exactly a bad thing.
788549 No.14544472
>>14544447
I think it has more to do with the fact big names can demand concessions because they know Steam will make a shitload of money regardless of what they cut is, and it will help them maintain their defacto monopoly.
>>14544456
Now, if only Steam could do the smart thing and clean up the store from all the low effort garbage it has accumulate over the years maybe things would return to some semblance of sanity.
c1fc92 No.14544593
The few good games that come out still sell just as much, it's because steam is flooded with babbies first gamemaker trash because there is no quality control, what a dishonest bunch of garbage from these yids
8b8e69 No.14544689
>>14544472
>big dick publishers get to dictate terms
It's a combination of things, anon. There's no denying that being a major publisher with a yuge game (like GTAV or something) can probably negotiate better terms; especially if they expect to have a long profitability tail with DLC, MTX, and that shit.
Like all business, everyone wants to get everything and give nothing; it's adversarial as fuck.
>Steam keeps their monopoly
This, plus the 30% take, is one of the major reasons that places like EA, Blizz, and Ubi have their own storefronts.
Unrelated to this thread, but I'm super sad that Vivendi stopped their hostile takeover bid for Ubisoft. What pussies.
141904 No.14544718
>>14543882
steam died when valve became kikes, anon, and valve has been kikes since around 2014, arguably much earlier even
f2ee3d No.14544732
>>14544689
You must not have been alive before Activision was purchased by Vivendi, then.
8b8e69 No.14544741
>>14544732
M8, ATVI bought themselves back explicitly because they knew Vivendi would eventually mismanage them into bankruptcy.
590139 No.14544896
8210c0 No.14544918
>release digital garbage without any moderation or quality control en masse on your platform
>sales numbers go down
WHODA THUNK IT?
fbe4c4 No.14544939
>posts why the market is over-saturated
>wonders why games aren't selling as good
Some special kind of stupid there
8210c0 No.14544946
>>14543633
>/vg/ shilled in vidya discussion threads
>/webm/ shilled in webm threads
>/tech/ shilled in gaming peripheral threads
dīvide et imperā
>>14543665
amen, as fucked as people are for being suckered into "renting" digital games, things weren't THIS bad
>>14543668
I cannot stand it when people conduct themselves this way. What does it achieve aside from infantilizing themselves?
572150 No.14544958
>>14544335
Don't forget that Steam handles distribution all by itself. With retail, you still have to print the disks, ship them, and Gamestop takes its share on top of that.
8b8e69 No.14544971
>>14544958
That's one of the reasons Steam really caught on - they might take 30%, but you still save cash because you don't need to physically manfacture as many disks / boxes / whatever.
811bdc No.14544974
>>14543589
>So apparently games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to
At least look at the bullshit you're uploading before you shit up the board.
More shovelware gets shoved on Steam because Valve just lets everybody dump their 3-hour programming project onto the platform and because of that the average sales go down.
Amazing conspiracy you've uncovered, retard.
590139 No.14544975
>>14544946
>What does it achieve aside from infantilizing themselves?
Indicating they're not attempting to project any sort of dominance and thus not get yelled at by the scary girls.
811bdc No.14544988
>>14544939
But "the games" are selling just as well as they always have, now you just have some additional garbage that is pulling the average down, but that average has no real meaning for anything, since steam doesn't care if they are selling 1000 games with 10 sales, or 10 games with 1000 sales each.
6a437e No.14544992
Speaking of steam, are there any tools out there that essentially unjews your steam library? Something that removes the need for whatever steam dll's and whatnot so you can just play your games without steam?
590139 No.14544995
>>14544992
Download the game's cracks.
6a437e No.14544999
>>14544995
I mean I figured, but was hoping for way that had a lower chance of getting computer herpes.
590139 No.14545024
>>14544999
It's not like steam isn't mini crypto on you anyway.
0ba916 No.14545046
>Allow market to get flooded with shit
>As a result, higher quality shit gets swamped by the other shit
>Everybody loses except those with a publisher or connection that can get your game out there
Steam allowing all this trash on killed any indie games markets that existed. It went from separate markets where you could compete to having to have a big enough budget to allow for marketing and corrupt journalist pay-offs. What a shitfest.
e19142 No.14545053
>>14544247
God I hate that fucking kike.
0ba916 No.14545073
>>14545053
It's a simple fact that you can't trust ugly motherfuckers. As soon as they get attention from somewhere more desirable, they'll turn traitor. You should only trust game devs that stay in shape. Self confidence is a potent panacea to limp dicked behaviour. A fit dev will never turn his back on you.
29ade9 No.14545077
>>14544412
Kind of shame we haven't had a longstanding working archive for those prior years.
8b8e69 No.14545078
File: 9ce1678ba0a352d⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 66.09 KB, 625x468, 625:468, 766911eace1e15d0bfbaf1bc40….jpg)
>>14545053
At this point, I'd be surprised if anything ever comes out. He clearly can't manage the project, as the game has grown considerably in size, scope, and complexity. His updates have also slowed.
Which is a shame because I fucking love yandere characters.
590139 No.14545090
>>14545073
>Self confidence is a potent panacea to limp dicked behaviour. A fit dev will never turn his back on you.
Yeah, he's acting like a girl who got cheated on and is rubbing it in her ex's face that she has a new man.
6a437e No.14545098
>>14545024
Yeah, was only hoping I could just free my legit copies of games from when I used to actually buy from steam.
e19142 No.14545108
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14545078
>Wanting an edgy Fujoshit power fantasy in the shape of a game.
590139 No.14545114
>>14545108
How is it fujoshi?
e19142 No.14545117
>>14545114
>hehe, I kill all the girls like an edgelord and I will kill you if you don't do bum sex with my lil' brother and let me record it!
It fucking is, you faggot in denyal.
590139 No.14545125
>>14545117
Is that last bit actually in it or are you still just mad at the dev for being a fag?
005105 No.14545126
>>14545117
>I will kill you if you don't do bum sex with my lil' brother and let me record it!
something tells me you're the fujoshit if you're coming up with degeneracy like that
e19142 No.14545131
>>14545125
>>14545126
No, but it's just generic Fujoshit yandere power fantasy erotic fanfiction writing.
6a437e No.14545136
>>14545108
>using a youtube embed instead of a webm
comon dumas. I made one for you though.
e19142 No.14545146
590139 No.14545150
>>14545126
>>14545131
So you're calling other people a faggot because you've read enough faggot literature to recognize your favorite scenarios. Got it.
e19142 No.14545172
>>14545150
I haven't read it per-se, I'm just stating a stereotype. You shouldn't jump at conclusions, Anon.
6a840f No.14545178
>>14545117
>implying most yanderes are fujos
A true yandere would kill her little brother if he ever got between her and her boy
590139 No.14545180
>>14545172
>shouldn't jump to conclusions
>literally spent the whole thread calling people faggots
e19142 No.14545185
>>14545180
>t. faggot with fujoshi tier delusions
590139 No.14545197
>>14545185
That doesn't even make fucking sense. Stop trying too hard.
e19142 No.14545199
>>14545197
t. Baited cuck.
83526f No.14545205
>>14543605
That's the point. Shit games are greenlighted every day and bringing down the average. They shouldn't even be considered in the actual game market as most can't even hope to qualify as an indie title, let alone AA, or triple A.
a3afb2 No.14545213
>>14543635
>>14543674
>>14543686
To everyone who is whining about using the median rather than the mean, I'm going to try to justify this. Things that are sold generally follow an exponential, or fractal, distribution of some sort. This means that there are many games that don't sell shit and a few that make millions. You may have noticed that incomes are generally reported as the median, as they follow the same properties. You also see this when looking at most populous cities in a country: there is generally ONE big city, a gap in city populations, four or five that are half that size, another gap, then twenty or so that are a quarter that size, etc. Due to the megasellers (the Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Warren Buffets of Steam games), the mean is skewed upwards and is not really indicative of the results that an "average" person can expect (where average is defined as some individual chosen at random). As such, the median is used instead.
This is what happens when you have no quality controls and allow the market to get oversaturated.
ff270b No.14545258
>>14543589
>no methodology provided for pulling out "the garbage that would never sell"
>still dumping all the games on steam into a single pot and assuming the results paint a useful picture
>shilling himself and his new studio when they're not even tangential to the subject of building estimates for sales figures of a game to be released on steam
The worst part is the basic idea of trying to figure out an effective mechanism for estimating sales before release is actually a solid idea, but this retard's going to poison that well with the unique combination of incompetence and malice only seen in the progressive game journo.
590139 No.14545261
>>14545258
There's a steamfly article linked upthread that's covers it much more rigorously.
ff270b No.14545274
>>14544377
Everything you need to know about Yandev can be summed up in these words:
>15% of the poll wins
8b8e69 No.14545288
>>14545258
>>14545261
Steam is just approaching the Appstore - a million worthless garbage apps with sub-1% that are worth your time. It's basically a platform for people to vomit out, say, ten games and hope that one even vaguely gets any sort of good press - one small-scale hit could pay for a hundred flops. we'll know it hits rock bottom when one popular game comes out and hundreds of clones spring up and bring us back to what happened in the 80s
590139 No.14545293
>>14545288
>we'll know it hits rock bottom when one popular game comes out and hundreds of clones spring up and bring us back to what happened in the 80s
It's already there, they're just not in genres /v/ plays.
020cb4 No.14545306
>average sales per game on a platform with 10's of thousands of shitty scam products
So it's literally nothing
0137a7 No.14545361
>>14545199
>merely pretending
bc6284 No.14545468
>>14543807
>Half of earnings came from 100 hames.
Impressive
>>14543839
DEFKEKON 5
56421f No.14545471
>>14544247
What game was he making I never payed any attention to that stuff.
54fb12 No.14545657
>>14543589
>In case you hadn't realized, I am well loud
Is this stupid British slang or something?
780efd No.14545692
What happened to Tinybuild? Did they get infected too? I remember when There's No Time To Explain was just a short concept game released on Newgrounds.
>>14545657
I think it's a speech quirk translated into text without respecting grammar. It should be
>In case you hadn't realized, I am, well, loud.
As though he decided to reconsider his choice of words while saying the sentence, which obviously isn't the case, because it's a written sentence.
6277ad No.14545718
I buy quite a few games, but only after pirating them. The issue is always the fact that these faggots simply don’t make good games. They then complain that there’s no “formula” for a good game. Here’s a simple one, focus on gameplay, balancing the difficulty, and replay value.
700816 No.14545939
>>14545468
Th…They're 24.
W…Would you, /v/?
fd5d8e No.14546011
>>14543700
The mean and the median are different forms of averaging. "Average" is just an abstract ideal that you try to find through figures like the mean and the median.
e0c024 No.14546101
>>14544320
We've still got a resident redditer that spergs out at least once a thread.
386a67 No.14546103
>>14545939
Of course I would.
780efd No.14546115
>>14545939
>Would you fuck a person who looks like a joke from Homestuck?
No.
>>14546070
For a second there I thought that was Manly Tears.
afcda7 No.14546186
>>14545073
>A fit dev will never turn his back on you.
f0c9a7 No.14546255
>>14545078
He's fucked either way. The concept should've been left to the Japs to make. It pisses me off too since I also like yandere, though it feels bad to, don't put it in crazy and all that.
>>14543640
It's not that naughty, it's like when something is described as a "Good Thing" but a stronger way to do it.
>>14544002
If they actually make a decent game they can strike big for how much is put into making it. Like Terraria. That sold millions.
>>14545288
>spoiler
That's basically what AAA is like these days, with endless remakes/reboots/remasters and they even Frankenstein bits of existing games into other games. It bites certain smaller devs too though, like look at any Tamsoft game.
95526d No.14546350
>>14543589
>No More Robots
this means war, mate
t./r9k/
a4822b No.14546393
>>14543589
>Michael Rose
>Big Nose
>Michael "The Nose" Rose
WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING MY SHIT
Really activates my almonds.
788549 No.14546394
>>14545078
>no game about a yandere harem where you have to manage each girl so she doesn't snap and kill everyone else, you included
>no Final Destination difficulty where you achieve what all mean have dreamed about since time immemorial, a true yandere harem
Life is suffering and I wish pain on all humanity.
>>14545288
Yeah, but the alternative to that is Nintendo's heavy handed moderation approach back during the NES era (and afterwards). Then again, it was justified on their part to avoid the fate of Atari and the American market.
Do you honestly trust the people at Valve not to inject their personal politics into the vetting process for games?
77b697 No.14547038
>>14544247
Thanks for reminding me. Anybody got the cs undergrad meme with his code?
a64f9b No.14547051
>If me and my friend's games don't sell that means videogames are unprofitable in general
>Also let me shill my studio in the middle of my GDC talk
Only reaffirms that GDC is just the usual indiedev suspects circlejerking their indiedev friends in the guise of caring about the industry. Shocking.
e0c024 No.14547058
>>14547038
there's dozens of these on agdg but we try to be nice
45ac93 No.14547067
>>14546186
Makes sense to me, all devs are fatties or skeletons. You can't be betrayed by something that doesn't exist.
de97b2 No.14547075
Gabe turned Steam into newgrounds and is surprised the games sell like absolute shit.
It's time to give a boot to all those indieshitters, borderline porn rpg maker games or any other game that looks like the author spent less than a month on it's development
590139 No.14547077
>>14547075
It would be funny to see half of san francisco be out of the job oversnight and have to try to organize a new distribution platform.
83526f No.14547122
>>14546186
Chris Avellone is a bara and he has yet to betray us.
>>14545078
He still updates this? Even after the nips were passing him by with their own yandere game?
>>14545117
>Keeps up to date with it
>Complains about it
Sure sure, whatever you say "lost girl"
6e1c3c No.14547220
>>14543882
No, it was because of the refund policy. They would have way too many people refunding if they bought a game only to find it was on flash sale a day or so later.
890497 No.14547228
>>14547220
Good luck getting the refund before the flash sale ends, fuckface.
Don't they still count it as a legitimate use if the price decreases to request a refund?
878398 No.14547230
>>14543589
>Oh no who is this thoroughly depressing man
You fucked my shit right up.
878398 No.14547243
>>14543802
It's ponderous how many shills are even on scurvy sites these days, there's a difference between saying, "Thanks!" to an uploader and washing a game's balls for itself.
3bf722 No.14547284
>>14543617
This. Joined steam some years ago after a friend tricked me into buying a steam-required game from a physical shop.
Seemed alright for the mostpart, but lately it has become a lot worse.
Front page is just constant barrage of shit, and moderation has increased to stupidity.
Games used to be a private thing you did alone or with friends, now they are controlling what you say in chat, what you say/do in games, and which games you can see/buy.
Steam dying would be a good thing.
Pirate games, it is the best way.
gog is a nice concept but they massively overcharge for digital downloads of ancient abandonware games.
3bf722 No.14547291
>>14543636
Can we kill anyone who gives this fear grimace.
3bf722 No.14547302
>>14545468
I want them, the whole set.
Imagine them crawling all over you, their pussies a handspan from their tits. Endless delights.
c2596c No.14547307
>>14543589
>Ex-Kotaku Faggot actually crying that no one is buying his shitty games.
My fucking sides Anons.
dc7f46 No.14547327
>>14543589
Thank greenlight.
3c0bc4 No.14547333
>>14546255
>If they actually make a decent game they can strike big for how much is put into making it. Like Terraria. That sold millions.
>if their game becomes a meme it'll sell millions
plenty of great games don't get massive success from the 600 gorillion PC gamers that supposedly exist.
878398 No.14547342
>>14547291
I think so, they are either beyond salvation or on the cusp of becoming another sort of ignorant NPC.
dc7f46 No.14547348
>>14547327
Actually, seriously think about the irony here.
> Greenlight pushes to continually lower standards to make the market more accessible and inclusive.
> Now the market is flooding most hipsters out.
c2b712 No.14547362
>>14543589
>No more robots is a publishing label built around working with real people
As opposed to those publishers that only work with robots.
f0c9a7 No.14547367
>>14547302
More like imagine your stomach in her face, instead of being able to kiss and cuddle her. Those stubby legs are no good for locking either.
>>14547284
My first exposure to Steam was thanks to Half-Life 2. On dial-up. Thank god for the target21 crack. That was probably a great way to learn to steer clear of any game dependent on online and now I only play games that I have assurance of keeping, official or not.
>>14547333
No but most do. Unfortunately life isn't always fair.
>>14547348
That's when we'll get the crash that needs to happen. Thankfully I have little reason to care if it burns to the ground since there's enough great games to last a lifetime.
f3091a No.14547368
878398 No.14547397
>>14547367
>your stomach in her face
Nice job, faggot. Why don't you just start handing out invitations to vorefags now?
590139 No.14547406
>>14547291
>kill all the gamma males
Why bother? They won't breed.
156e1a No.14547408
>>14546394
>yandere harem
Actually, that's a smart idea. While they are busy hacking each other to bits, you can fuck off as far away from them as geographically possible.
788549 No.14547416
>>14547408
>you can fuck off as far away from them as geographically possible
What could that possibly achieve? They'd just hunt you down anyway. The genre savvy thing to do is embrace the insanity and tame them.
f0c9a7 No.14547433
>>14547397
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying that during CSitMP that's where she'll be staring.
878398 No.14547449
>>14547433
HOW DARE YOU UTTER SUCH FILTH
590139 No.14547488
>>14547416
>genre savvy thing to do
Back to 4tropes faggot.
788549 No.14547495
>>14547488
The term existed before that shithole came into being.
590139 No.14547529
>>14547495
And yet you still learned it there.
788549 No.14547536
>>14547529
Why are you so upset about yandere harems that you'd strawman this dumbly?
738002 No.14547537
>>14547367
It looks like that girl is shoving a railroad spike into that guy's mouth and out the top of his head
0c4f98 No.14547551
>>14544247
>Stated goal was a 2019 release
>Hasn't even run his kikestarter yet
>Doesn't even have the first rival character done yet
CUCKDEV! CUCKDEV! YOU NEVER FOOLED ME!
788549 No.14547572
>>14547551
I'm surprised more competent people haven't already started making a clone of his "game". They know the market is already there, all they need is make something with more content, which, considering the pace cuckdev is going at, isn't all that difficult.
590139 No.14547576
>>14547572
>They know the market is already there
It isn't. It's literally a meme game.
de9d4d No.14547582
788549 No.14547590
>>14547576
So? Normalfags will still buy it. God knows they've thrown money at worse shit.
811bdc No.14547643
>>14547075
>Gabe turned Steam into newgrounds and is surprised the games sell like absolute shit.
Steams profit is increasing year by year. Gaben will not run out of hamburgers anytime soon.
Try not to be retarded.
7e5b9a No.14547646
>>14547122
>the nips were passing him by with their own yandere game?
Got a link?
590139 No.14547661
>>14547643
>Steams profit is increasing year by year.
Read the thread you fucking retard. Steam might be making money hand over fist but the platform is becoming much less lucrative for the actual developers.
77b0d8 No.14547685
>>14547661
Why would Gabe care as long as he's making money?
1055c6 No.14547689
>>14543589
These stats are almost entirely due to mobile shitgames being ported to steam for pennies.
590139 No.14547695
>>14547685
Because the bubble is about to pop.
788549 No.14547700
>>14547661
>but the platform is becoming much less lucrative for the actual developers
The "developers" you are talking about here are the indie cucks that shit out walking simulators like Tacoma or Sunshie, and the asset flippers that shit out a dozen games recycling the same garbage they bought on the Unity asset store. They aren't making money because their games are shit and no one wants them, so they whine like the subhumans they are instead of making a good game.
If Age of Decadence, niche as it is, can make enough money to justify the developer to start making a new game these fucking clowns have no excuse.
77b0d8 No.14547702
>>14547695
And? He's still going to make money. He's been doing it for over a decade. If I were him, I'd have been saving up my earnings so I wouldn't have to give a shit about market conditions.
3c0bc4 No.14547704
>>14547367
>No but most do
no, they don't. Most don't.
788549 No.14547705
>>14547702
The indie bubble is about to burst. Big publishers and successful smaller developers aren't going anywhere.
590139 No.14547711
>>14547700
> to start making a new game
Two new games, there was that dungeon crawler as well. Granted I don't think The New World will be that good, I dislike the whole continual community-developer interaction thing that it has going on with codex, it strikes me as a sign of a lack of commitment to an idea.
>>14547705
Exactly, suddenly you're going to see the indie clique jump into a new field, probably try to become political talking heads or something.
788549 No.14547719
>>14547711
>it strikes me as a sign of a lack of commitment to an idea
Nah, VD is pretty clear about what kind of game he wants to make, always has been. AoD is a pretty impressive achievement for someone's first vidya project, and the New World looks to be even more ambitious.
>probably try to become political talking heads or something
I honestly don't care what they decide to shit up next so long as they are finally gone. Not like there's many other mediums they can go fuck up since they've infested every possible aspect of Western culture and made it worse.
67a5ff No.14548088
>>14544335
Reminder that Dlsite takes a non-negotiable flat 50%
456c3a No.14548519
>>14543589
>$280 in the first month
i wonder what kind of extreme low effort game i can shit out to goyfarm steam for a few hundred a month
9f33e3 No.14548536
>>14543661
I like my faggots dead.
3d34ca No.14548771
>>14543723
That reminds me, aren't those same fags making Necromunda now?
6a840f No.14548839
>>14547551
Cuck-Dev Cuck-Dev!!
You never fooled me!
Your game is shit, and should be free
788549 No.14548900
>>14548771
Are we sure that is even female?
3d34ca No.14548938
>>14548900
No but we shall purge it, just because we can.
788549 No.14548943
>>14548938
I hope they don't fuck up the new Mechanicus game. The intro was pretty well voiced and written, they seem to have a competent Black Library writer for the script so the only thing left for them not to fuck up is the gameplay. I would be more than satisfied if it was on the level of NuXCOM.
9c4441 No.14548959
>>14544247
It's amazing how much abuse people will put up with because the premise is everything they ever wanted.
>see: Shekel Citizen
32b092 No.14548973
>>14543621
How the fuck does that make sense?
0915d6 No.14548975
>>14548959
With that game at least there's a bunch of alternatives so it's not really them getting starry eyed so much as it them being entry level faggots who weren't even around when Spore and Fable taught everyone a valuable lesson.
3d34ca No.14549012
>>14548943
>new Mechanicus game
A new what now?
Did you mean Quisitor Martyr?
788549 No.14549030
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14549012
Nope. New turn-based game where you lead your magos and his troops looking for ancient technology.
788549 No.14549039
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14549030
Also, about a hour long interview with some gameplay.
1a8c9c No.14549401
>>14544732
activision was super greedy since the 90s anyway, if anything it's gotten worse in recent years.
1f77dc No.14549609
Remember his name and the name of his shitty company.
Boycott and attack them at every chance.
>>14543617
>>14543636
Those.
>>14544886
Stay mad, soyboy.
>>14547291
Killing them is the right thing to do.
All problems on the industry can only be fixed by first killing those open-mouthed soyboys.
>>14547406
Because they should never be allowed to exist.
>>14547704
It is their fault and their problem. Not the consumers'.
9b1c65 No.14549657
>>14549030
> turn-based
fuck
590139 No.14549663
>>14549657
But it's based on a turn based tabletop game.
3c0bc4 No.14549665
>>14549609
>It is their fault and their problem. Not the consumers'.
consumers aren't absent from the equation, but it's mostly people like valve, nvidia, etc. fault. They're the ones who constantly parade around how great PC gaming is, how big it is, and how much money you can make.
3c0bc4 No.14549666
>>14549665
the fanboys, consumers in this case, are part of the equation, acting like valve is 100%. We've all seen it.
0760f7 No.14550469
>>14549657
Turn based is legit.
6b05ed No.14550538
>>14544732
It doesn't really make much of a difference though, now that Tencent bought Vivendi's shares. Same kikery will happen, just from a different megacorp.
3d34ca No.14551059
>>14549039
I have to admit, this does look pretty cool.
Looking foreward to it.
b2cd3d No.14558232
A store that's saturated with shit is bad for everybody, stop pretending it's just some asset flippers or pretentious indie boogeymen getting fucked and crying about it. It wasn't that long ago that you could browse the catalog of Steam's new releases completely raw and decide for yourself what games could interest you. Nowadays it's so packed it's become virtually impossible to do so, small developers once again have to spend money they don't have on marketing because there's zero visibility, and people miss out on games because they never knew they existed. There's also the issue of getting burned one too many times buying trash, making consumers less likely to try new things. Even piracy is affected by this tidal wave of shit, with hidden gems never getting releases, unseeded torrents and the unfeasibility of trying most games by yourself.
543efd No.14558306
>>14543661
Nah, hop in an oven if you want heat you kike.
330d3f No.14558332
>>14547572
You're implying people here will put in the effort to see the project through to completion. Remember Anton & Coolpecker?
43dece No.14558560
Why oh why does this man choose to present himself the way that he does? What could drive a man to such madness?
7ac259 No.14558581
>>14547362
I've got it: "NoMoreIndians"
A publishing label built around working with actual people.
0915d6 No.14558582
>>14558560
Post modernism's one hell of a drug.
6081bb No.14558632
>>14545213
He uses both you dipshits.
6081bb No.14558648
>>14543635
One game sells 1 000 000 copies, 50 other games sell anywhere between 1 000 and 25 000. Average sales figure is 32 000 copies. Median is 13 000 copies.
In other words, average is fucking useless at best and malevolently misleading at worst.
1f77dc No.14558835
>>14549665
Yes, consumers ARE absent from the equation.
ANY seller must treat it's consumers as kings.
We demand, they obey.
Whenever that treat is broken, we ruin everything for them, even if we don't have the right to, because we can.
>>14558232
And people getting burned out of buying is increasing rapidly. And once you get burned, you abandon ship completely, and never buy again.
>>14558581
"NoMoreShitskins" would be better.
281020 No.14559713
>>14547495
No it didn't, "trope" is a purely grammatical term referring to nonliteral use of a word, having nothing to do with recurring patterns, and you won't find one single dictionary definition stating otherwise prior to the site's popularity in the 2000s.
TV Tropes itself readily admitted this soon after going online, keeping the term as part of its choice to create amusing neologisms for everything rather than figuring out what the proper terms for patterns it had identified were, and only making up terms when it made something new. This all got wallpapered over when a wave of pretentious nofun faggotry called SPOON came into being on what had been an almost wholly unmoderated site, seized all the new mod positions, and purged all traces of lightheartedness.
t. -pre-crash troper
880ce4 No.14561756
>>14559713
Got any more stories of how it used to be?
f2ee3d No.14561765
>>14561756
>>14559713
Yeah, I'd love to hear more. Who goes and adds articles for every little obscure web-comic and flash game in existence?
fd5d8e No.14561851
>>14545288
>we'll know it hits rock bottom when one popular game comes out and hundreds of clones spring up and bring us back to what happened in the 80s
You kidding? Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft, DayZ, PUBG, the entire state of the Roguelike genre.
22721e No.14561918
>>14561756
>>14561765
If it helps, the guy who runs it now is someone who makes games for a living. He got butthurt when Yahtzhee gave a bad review for one of his games and he threatened to remove Zero punctuation from the site.
281020 No.14562135
>>14561756
>>14561765
It was interesting, because it had all the mechanical characteristics of a shithole like early 4chan (totally hands off administration, no hotpockets, totally unsecured pseudonymous "accounts" without even the password protection of a trip, zero content standards, no permanent history, etc.), but without the shittingdicknipples that usually result. The site's community was unironically one of the nicest (if a bit dumb, probably due to low age) I can remember, and the niceness was completely organic. There were things like an "ultimate troll page" that pulled zero punches, yet people didn't get butthurt about it, there were jokes and banter mixed into lists in every page, but none of the arguments ever got angry, just amusingly autistic.
If I had to describe it succinctly, it felt like if ED was made by normalfags.
The downfall came in stages. IMHO the first stage was the breaking of soft taboos against things like (seriously) expletives or porn that had existed to then, as newfags started arriving too fast for acculturation. The userbase had always had a large fanficcer component, but there had been an understanding that everyone would try to be classy. Incidentally, this would result in an accretion of filth that came back to bite the site through its Google AdWords advertising, forcing a massive purge that was also used to justify yet more totally unnecessary censorship, but that was years down the road.
After that, was the forum coming back and causing mods. The forum had existed before, and been shut down due to hacks, but when it came back for good, it was ultimately what lead to the recruiting of moderators. That isn't to say the forum was inherently bad, but it was the first part of the site to get modded, and even if they started exercising a light hand, all the first batch of mod recruits were the biggest dicksuckers on the forum, and the first posters to get posts/threads deleted, and eventually banned, were almost invariably the highest quality posters on the forum, and the shiteaters that repeatedly provoked them were always treated as victims by the mods.
The beginning of the end was when the forum gained formal control over the rest of the site, particularly the "Trope Repair Shop" subforum and its "Crowners" system, which consisted near entirely of squeaky wheel busybodies that would repeatedly push the same unpopular idea, in the face of rejection after rejection, until their lucky day when enough of their opponents weren't present to object, and it suddenly became irreversible law. These people were the ones who pushed for the first mods on the wiki, the first editlocks on the wiki, the first forced renames/moves on the wiki, and the first page deletions on the wiki.
The point of no return was the great negativity purge, which was done through phases of segregation. First everything "opinionated" was split into its own namespace of the wiki (YMMV), then everything "negative" (Darth Wiki), then the removal of real life examples because of "sensitivity", then full "example section-ectomies" to create "example-less" pages for "sensitive" tropes (probably the most ironic being when the page for "Jump the Shark" had its examples purged, since that very trope was inherited from an entire website by the same name, which had suffered a similar downfall shortly before most of its members moved on to found TV Tropes), then those entire namespaces were deleted in one fell swoop, and finally the "new normal" of outright random mass deletions in the main namespace was instituted. At the same time, the forum was reorganized, with the /pol/-like "On Topic" subforum having massive numbers of harsh rules imposed on it, and the /b/-like "IJBM" subforum simply being deleted, accompanied by a massive deletion of the forum's years-long archive history for "performance reasons".
That was about when I fucked off.
>>14561918
He's the same guy who always ran it, I think it's just that his soul wore down, and the abuse routinely practiced by his mods gradually rubbed off on him.
880ce4 No.14565591
>>14561851
Roguelikes are fine. Roguelites are the problem.
9a0755 No.14570652
>>14561851
Please don't group DF with those piles of shit.
281020 No.14570706
>>14570652
I think other anon meant that much of this cancer (both games and LPing) was made out of misguided homage to DF.
396336 No.14574609
>>14570652
DF is great potential but poor execution. A UI from this century would be a start.
f3691d No.14576555
>>14543589
this is more a shilling attempt for your shitty publishing platform than anything else
everybody knows of the state of gaming on Steam
8f5b55 No.14576717
>>14543589
>it's all a bit hush hush right now
I always suspected they're mentally somewhere at a toddlers age.
59d8f6 No.14576901
>>14544247
cuckdev cuckdev, you never fooled me !
49dde8 No.14576981
maybe he doesn't sell things and stuff because he's a grown adult acting like a dumb high school kid trying to sell mediocre soy goy toys in an oversaturated market and stuff
b7b500 No.14577003
>>14547705
Gabe Newell is a billionnaire, at least that's his net worth. I don't know of much of that is assets but I think he has enough cash to tide him over any market crash or Steam/Valve going under. In fact, I don't think that if they go under it would have any repercussions, most of the time it happens because there is suppliers/loans to pay but I don't think the company has any of those.
I seem to remember an article about his family house near the beach and it was indeed the house of someone who hasn't got any worries in the world.
fe43ee No.14577104
>>14543876
>Do not post on forums or image boards
fe43ee No.14577117
>>14558648
normally when you work out averages you'd remove the top 5% and the bottom 5%
0915d6 No.14578949
>>14578860
The irony of this post is palpable.
880ce4 No.14585706
0d7b75 No.14592768
3dcc88 No.14592780
>>14544195
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cefc7a No.14592977
>>14544247
>pandering to anyone
When will they realise *this* is what makes their games shit?
0915d6 No.14593000
>>14592768
Some illiterate fag posting one of those brainless Wojack edits.
fdb929 No.14593520
>>14544247
You fags drove him crazy
880ce4 No.14595643