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>>14550897

>This game got real popular real fast.

Pretty sure that's on valve not doing left 4 dead 3 and starving the market, as well as the smart decision to not release the game full price.

>my last few games was just me getting to the end and then killing my team mates to tea bag their corpses.

You're going to have a hard time arguing you're not the shitter here.

To continue from last thread

Repeater Pistol>Volley Crossbow

>>14551121

Not even a little bit. Repeater does about 70% more damage per burst at the cost of taking around 3-4x as long to fire. It's single shots do about 40% less damage. Firing 5 barrages from the pistol in succession takes over 10 seconds, firing 5 from the crossbow takes only about 2.6-2.8, including the initial "zoom".

Yes, Blessed shots is necessary to be viable, but that's the point. You don't JUST fire on blessed shots however, you use blessed shots on crowds to regain ammo by putting ammo on crit on the crossbow, which gives you 2 ammo for every enemy every bolt hits. 3 on a boss=+6 ammo, firing into a horde can net +18 as each bolt easily hits 3 targets.

The crossbow is better on bosses because you can spam it for higher DPS. It's better on hordes because it hits more targets and penetrates and is certain to kill with a single bolt (the pistol might take 2 just to kill one horde enemy), and it's better on specials because you can quickly kill them with a single crit bolt whereas a crit bullet isn't enough.

>>14552030

Oh, one more problem with the pistol that puts it into fully non-viable state, regardless of its effective damage. Ammo on Crit only restores one ammo per target, rather than per hit. The pistol's alt fire works like a shotgun. The crossbow however treats each bolt as an individual shot, hence why you get 6 ammo back from a single volley vs a boss. With the pistol even when firing 8 shots you only get 2 ammo back against a boss. The spread pattern also makes it harder to hit multiple targets in a horde, so you don't get nearly as many back that way either.

>>14551121

I'll present some actual numbers so that I may sway your misguided mind:

TESTING SETUP - Base Repeater Pistol (RP) and Base Volley (REPEATER) Crossbow (VC), overall plvl 255, using the Crippling Strike talent and base amu/trin/charm. Shot the training dummy in the torso at close range. Didn't use the Swift Reload talent.

RP hit = 950 dmg

RP crit = 2075 dmg

RP alt fire hit = 8 x 950 = 7600

RP alt fire crit = 8 x 2075 = 16600 dmg

RP reloading time (estimate) - 2.5 sec

RP alt-fire dps (no crits) - 7600 dmg / 2.5 seconds = 3040 dmg/sec

VC hit = 1625 dmg

VC crit = 3150 dmg

VC alt fire hit = 3 x 1625 = 4875 dmg

VC alt fire crit = 3 x 3150 = 9450 dmg

VC fire clip and reload time (estimated) - 7 seconds

VC alt fire dps (no crits) = 4875 dmg * 5 shots / 7 seconds = 3482 dps

So, while one would think the RP might win out on DPS race, as it is disadvantaged in so many other ways as >>14552030 explains, that is actually not the case. The VC is indisputably better.

>>14552030

>Repeater does about 70% more damage per burst at the cost of taking around 3-4x as long to fire.

Taking longer is not a relevant weakness. When it comes to bosses, you're either firing at them making sure you don't miss, kiting them, or clearing out trash around them. Taking longer to burst is completely irrelevant unless you're making the mistake of firing while kiting.

You know what's a relevant weakness? Having shit ammo. If volley crossbow could zoom, then maybe it would be worth the tradeoff, but it can't, so it's not.

>>14552058

"taking longer to fire" hurts your DPS across multiple shots. Bosses do NOT die in one shot. Unless you think you want to wait 10 seconds between every shot anyway, in which case please kill yourself.

Every crit crossbow volley restores enough ammo against a boss to afford 2 more non-crit volleys, add in random crits and spamming the crossbow becomes a legitimate option, which is exactly what you should be doing on a boss.

>>14552054

Volley crossbow reload is about 3 seconds. Bounty hunter has an innate skill that reduces reload time as well as a level 5 talent that reduces it further. That also applies to the pistol which reloads in less than 1 second, but that's a much smaller DPS gain.

>>14552058

Perhaps just looking at DPS isn’t fair you might say, so let’s look at the BURST, using Prize Bounty and Blessed Shots:

VC time to fire 18 shots, no reload (estimate) – 2.65 seconds

VC Burst damage – 9450 dmg (blessed) + 5 x 4875 dmg = 33,825 dmg over 2.65 seconds

RP reload after Prize Bounty (estimate) – 1.7 sec

RP burst damage – 16600 dmg (blessed) + 7600 dmg = 24,200 dmg over 1.7 seconds

RP burst (3 alt fires) – 16600 dmg (blessed + 7600 dmg (1.7 sec reload) + 7600 dmg (2.5 sec reload) = 31,800 dmg over 4.2 seconds

As you can see, even when it comes to burst damage the VC is better.

>>14552072

I was taking time measurements for how long it takes to fire all the bolts AND reload, using the BH.

>>14552087

>Implying anyone plays Zealot.

>Implying Bounty is good

Saltzpyre is kind of in the middle of all possible roles, only good at interrupting some bosses for a short while.

>>14552087

They could start by fixing their shit coding so that Justice's Bounty actually does what it says in the description instead of giving you useless temporary HP.

>>14552160

I try to do that as bounty, but my last game involved an elf and a Kruber who would kill specials so fast that using my skill was just not fast enough.

It gets even worse past champion, because the shot does so much damage, you risk killing your allies in one shot. And your allies are doing this retard dance around the chaos warrior, such that any time you try to shoot, they might be in front of you.

Maybe I just need to get gud, but some classes just seems easier all around.

>>14552259

I find myself not using the BH ultimate that much unless I'm stuck in a very dire situation (unexpected patrol pulls for example) or I'm taking down a boss/interrupting a chaos spawn. The wind-up time of it makes it very risky to use when friendly fire is enabled.

So how are they going to nerf my mains in the next patch? Pyromancer and unchained?

They feel uncontested in their field, especially Pyromancer since she can stunlock bosses for a long time.

>>14552335

But then what makes him good against chaos warriors at all ?

The 8shot from the pistol ? The 3shot from the crossbow ?

Normally those are not enough against chaos warriors, but good against the other elites and specials.

>>14552335

If you hold F (or whatever you have your skill bound to) you will ready the weapon without firing it. Releasing F will fire it. This way you can aim and then fire without worrying about a delay between pressing the button and firing.

>>14552357

Bounty Hunters with repeater pistols can one shot chaos warriors. The problem is, that you have only have one shot at putting a volley into his head otherwise you have to leave him to other team mates. I had tried that so often, that I know that my chance of pulling that off is practically 50/50.

>>14552366

Thanks. I haven't known that.

>>14552373

What about back shots ? I can't pull off your 50/50 headshot, I usually just end up stunning them.

But from using my skill I know for sure that a special to the back is instakill, while a frontal one is not.

>>14552378

Same with the Lock and Load. Keeping F pressed and then release if got that may higher the odds. Haven't tried it, because In didn't know that until now.

>>14552389

While nice, you are usually swarmed, not with one single big target.

>>14552670

oh yeah, the executioner sword feels s o bad compared to it in V1, why is that?

>>14552717

The piece of shit is bugged and will ocasionally pass through enemies without hitting them.

Additionally the 2h swords is so simple in its attacks you can only call it retarded.

>>14553377

Skaven porn

>>14552349

If any of the 15 classes is getting nerfed it's Pyro, which is by far the best (does the best at most aspects) class right now. Unchained is pretty shit from what I've seen, so I wouldn't worry about it getting nerfed, just buffed through mechanic changes.

>>14553377

Skaven porn

>>14553377

Skaven porn

>>14552726

Is there any reason to use anything except sword and shield besides liking how a weapon looks? I don't think so

>>14553552

I wouldn't touch sword and shield myself. Kruber's melee weapon is pretty much his ONLY way of doing damage, and sword is shit at that. You can talk a big game about being a push bot tank but the fact is if you want something done you gotta do it yourself, and you can't with the sword. Halberd is the only answer.

>>14553683

Dwarf on the other hand is great with a shield, simply because he has access to amazing ranged weapons that he can do actual damage with when he isn't blocking or pushing.

Isn't this the exact same thing as the first game? I fucking hated the first game. It was somehow even worse than L4D, which was already a repetitive shitshow where you saw everything there was to see within an hour.

>>14553719

Pretty much, then again I already have more time on Vermintide 2 than on both left 4 deads combined

>>14553571

im a big fanboy of the halberds but yeah, executioner sword is better at taking out swarming enemies, i might experiment with hammers in the future but my internet is currently awful so timing is always gonna be off for me.

This game seems to have netcoding issues, i have decent stable speeds with alot of games, but not this one. Ausfag here on peasant tier copper wiring.

>>14553795

Got 2 mates to play it with but mostly randos on legend.

>>14553795

I've a few people that I have added but I'm too much of a ronery autist to ask them to play with me. Instead leaving it up to them to say if they want to play with me.

they should redo it so theres some more swings in it, a halberd like what we got is not just for chopping and thrusting, although it'd be even more OP if they fixed the movements properly.

It's fine, the other weapons need to be reworked more than the halberd does imo.

They should really quickly fix the bug that allows volley crossbow kills to count as melee kills (triggering Blessed Shots) if you switch weapons fast enough. I'm starting to enjoy myself too much with it, and fear getting addicted.

>>14554149

You can unlock paintings?

>>14554149

The picture frames are clearly work in progress. For what, I'm not sure, but it's obvious keep customization is planned.

>>14554253

>>14554230

>>14554149

The paintings are unimplemented; in the beta you could put generic concept art up in them but it was removed near or at the end of the beta.

>>14553795

Mostly with friends and anons, with some overlap between the two. In VT1 you could build up a nice little collection of friends just by adding decent players from high level pubs and joining their games freely.

>>14554317

>The Volley is better in pretty much every way due to its triple shot

Holy shit, do you actually believe this to be an argument against the repeater?

>>14554399

If you're faced with spread out enemies you're much better off just oneshotting them with the volley crossbow even with using the triple shot instead of just shooting all off your load on one guy with the repeater, or shooting with its BB gun tier mouse1 attack that doesnt penetrate enemies.

Not to mention the volley clears hordes much better than the repeater does due to the piercing.

>>14554399

The Repeater has its time and place, and that time and place is:

>I need to kill a Disabler before it can grab me and my useless team lets me die.

>I need to chunk a Stormvermin Patrol before it wipes my useless teammates.

>I need to deal all of the boss damage because my useless team is off dieing to supplementary hordes/is dieing miserably.

I almost always play with a Kruber (Foot Knight) or a Dwarf (Ironbreaker) that I know and stick to them like fucking glue, so I rarely have to worry about fending for myself and managing ammo instead of effectively bringing down threats.

>>14554399

The best argument against the repeater its in accuracy. If you can deal with that thing, its the best one for taking out Bosses. Otherwise, the Volley Crossbow is the best one for you.

How/why does Sienna's mace do Damage Over Time?

>>14554317

>However literally everything is subject to change because Fat Shark still hasn't rolled out the Hero Power rework that is going to halve all 500+ Hero Power character's damage output, cleaving, piercing, and stagger.

Prove it.

>>14554901

When i first used the ES under mercenary I felt like i was activating my paced strikes a lot more than usual but i rolled a way better halberd so i've been using that again even if it gets a bit boring fast

>>14554963

High hero power + Strength potion + normal bomb with that trait that allows 25% not to consume bomb on use = easy win for armored bosses.

>>14554963

Shoot from range/kill basic rats/defend BH pyro attackers when it has polearm out, during dual knives phase attack the back or defend based on who's the rat is chasing.

DO NOT APPROACH WITH MELEE WHEN THE POLEARM IS OUT

>>14554963

>rat warlord

Just keep distance when he's agroed on you, and don't eat his power backswing.

>>14555063

More like autism. /pol/ has more than enough BO made problems. We don't need spergs spreading bullshit information to distract from the fact that we were enjoying a day without politsperging.

>>14554547

The repeating crossbow is better at all of those things though. It's the fastest boss-killing weapon in the game, it can wipe out an entire stormvermin patrol in no time, and it takes fewer shots to kill any special

>>14555537

It is, but only if you aren't running around effectively alone. The one advantage the Repeater has, at least in practice, is the ability for you to just fucking leg it and keep things off your ass.

Sure, it's better to be sat behind an Ironbreaker emptying an infinite supply of tripleshot into a patrol but when you're playing with a Slayer, Handmaiden, and Battlemage that speak in some monkey language you'll be grateful for the small blessing it serves as.

>>14553383

>>14553484

>>14553515

>implying a noble man like Kruber would be into this shit

Heretics

>>14555906

"Ignoble" describes Kruber better.

>>14554383

Not bad.

>>14550897

>>14551090

I'm sure it was, but it's just worth saying that you're not helping people become less shitty when you just act like a child.

>>14556863

No, and friendly fire is only enabled on the last two difficulties anyway so I'm not entirely sure he actually did this.

>>14556863

I've only come across 1 asshole like that in a dozen hours of playing. Faggot stayed outside the gate of shadows killing things until he got bored. This was before I figured out how to kickvote people.

>>14557011

Not to my knowledge, no.

Got exactly that helmet fucking twice as the only cosmetic, though it seems like they finally added all the cosmetics

to the game properly.

>>14556875

This one always gives me feels

>Decided to play elf for the first time

>Get Barfsauce Helfscour

>Two allies instantly quit presumably because I'm at level 1 elf in a veteran lobby against a 'hard' boss

>Get to boss nothing eventful happens

>Fire an arrow

>Realise I can stagger him off the upper platform

>Instant kill him

God damn I hate elves.

Rats are qt.

don't commendation chests scale with character level?

>>14557571

replying to this

>>14557470

>>14557571

What ? No, they function exactly the same as normal chests except their loot level limit is 300, which makes it a waste to open them until you've hit the limit for veteran chests, which is 200.

>>14557579

well shit, I should probably open mine then

>>14552081

>>14552054

bonus round: you can do the melee swap crit bug with the crossbow due to the projectile airtime but not with the pistol, allowing for upwards of 7-8 consecutive crits until you run out of targets to shoot

What's the fucking point of the regular crossbow on saltpyre? The repeating crossbow shoots straight, has less reloading, and moving doesn't effect it's aim too much.

>>14558676

Looks cool

>>14558676

Zoom, more damage per shot. It's a special sniper.

>>14558676

Sniping shit. This all what is to it. Very bad choice for a Bounty Hunter, because shooting stuff is his bread and butter.

>>14558676

It's garbage, don't use it. Skip BoP as well until it gets a buff.

>>14550897

So fun fact: they removed the ability to kick people once the end sequence of any mission is started! Troll away brother. And please tell them to cry on the forums so FatAss realizes that the whiners who want vote kicks removed are fucking retarded.

>>14551121

Volley>Repeater>>>Crossbow>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brace. If you disagree you don't know what you're doing.

>>14552366

This applies to all abilities too. Holding F also shows you the area you're going to affect when you let go. And you can cancel "casting" your ability with right click.

>>14557571

Dataminers during beta pulled up numbers indicating your level DOES affect rarity chance for regular chests, but I don't recall anything said about Commendations. Also that info could be totally out of date now anyway. Either way, wait until level 30 if you don't want to risk it.

>>14558676

The point of the regular crossbow is to make you want a better crossbow.

>>14556872

>This was before I figured out how to kickvote people.

Enjoy it, before the crybabies manage to butcher the vote system.

At what level should I start doing, or at least try Champion difficulty? Three of the class are at 12, and im doing now the sorceress to level up. Because its harder, but also higher power limit, and reward.

What should I keep in mind when using unchained? I like using the bolt staff

>>14559217

Level 20 or you're pretty much leeching, the temp health talent is somewhat essential.

I've seen people do it at level 18 at a push.

I've seen shitters try to do it at level 8 but I kick them always.

>>14559276

Yes, champion is the difficulty where it becomes direly important to understand you're not here to show off but to be as much of a credit to team as possible. You can do it sub-18 if you've really got the hang of taking very little damage in veteran and aren't into the habit of wasting your ammo on hordes because that's just asking for friendly fire. Sienna mains should be doubly careful. If you're largely under 20 you're just not doing enough damage, so steer clear.

Hey I hope that faggot Kruber/Sienna who I just played Hunger in the Dark with is here so I can tell you what a

WORTHLESS SUBHUMAN QUINTUPLENIGGER

you are. Maybe if you stopped whining about getting the level over with as fast as possible, and didn't run ahead skipping over FOUR FUCKING HEALTH POTIONS, the entire party wouldn't be at such low heath that they all keel over when a horde attacks. Maybe if you weren't such an INSUFFERABLE FAGGOT, you'd realize that I'm using the brace of pistols because THIS IS A FUCKING VIDEOGAME NOT A FUCKING ACCOUNTING SPREADSHEET WHERE WE DO THE EXACT SAME THING THE EXACT SAME WAY DAY IN DAY OUT. YEAH, I FUCKING GOT IT, BRACE OF PISTOLS IS INFERIOR TO THE REPEATER CROSSBOW I DON'T FUCKING CARE I'M TIRED OF USING THE SAME FUCKING THING EVERY GAME I'M TRYING TO HAVE FUN YOU BRAIN DEAD TROGLODYTE. AND LASTLY, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO WHEN I AIM MY FUCKING CROSSHAIR DEAD CENTER ON A CHAOS WARRIOR, HIT F, AND HAVE THE GAME DECIDE THAT MY ULT GOES THROUGH THE FUCKING NIGGER, BUT STILL PLAYS THE HIT SOUNDS. MAYBE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS SHITTY GAME BEING RUSHED OUT BY THE DEVS SO HARD THAT HERO POWER CALCS HAVE BEEN FUCKED FOR A WHOLE MONTH AND NOBODY BOTHERED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND THE FACT THAT I CAN BEING HOLDING RIGHT MOUSE, STAMINA SHIELDS APPEAR ON MY SCREEN, I DO THE BLOCK ANIMATION, AND STILL TAKE DAMAGE BECAUSE THE HALF-BAKED CODING DECIDED THAT THIS ENEMY WAS GOING TO DO DAMAGE HALFWAY THROUGH HIS WINDUP ANIMATION AND NOT AT THE END.

IN SHORT,

I WILL SMASH YOUR TEETH IN WITH A CINDERBLOCK YOU FUCKING NIGGER

Any advise or tips on Sienna(wizard), and Kienna/whatever her name (The elf). After playing the other three character a lot to almost 13 level, I am using the wizard now, and will then test the elf.

Also, thread theme.

>>14559435

>Sienna

light motherfuckers on fire

>Elf

don't play as her

>>14559435

Sienna takes practice to get used to. You have to be really proficient at knowing when to switch to a melee, when to sacrifice health to “reload” her fire, and the things to focus her ranged attacks on. Once you get gud with her be ready to be to top of your match every time. Try to go for that staff that lets you place explosions and fire ranged balls. I find that to be the most helpful.

>>14559477

>beam staff

Barely tried it once (There was internet problems and so the game went off, while I was doing a mission), and the concept is good, but I didnt see much damage being done, even to low tier enemies; And the Strong attack not sure what it is or how strong it is…

>>14559555

The beam staff strong attack is a shotgun effect. It instantly kills weak enemies within a certain distance and is insanely overpowered.

The other thing you are missing is the "railgun" shot. While beaming something, press right click. This instantly does a large amount of damage and stops the beam. Beaming them for longer first (about 1-2 seconds) causes this to do more damage.

>>14559555

Beam is no contest the best staff currently

>hitscan deleting specials with "sniping" (hold LMB and press RMB)

>fully charged snipe pierces armor so you dont even have to target head vs chaos warriors or stormvermin

>minimal heat generation + always stuns hordes = godlike horde controll from any range

>easiest headshots = career skill recharges way faster and you spew it every 10 sec during hordes

>rmb+lmb is shotgun blast good for staggering enemies that get too close and packs a punch as well

Everyone will tell you this, before beam gets nerfed there's no reason to use other staves.

>>14559584

Oh and once you roll the proper trait and get some crit chance you will be able to beam forever as the crits will reduce overcharge and the more overcharge you have the more you crit as you probably know

>>14559521

Deprivation is made worthless with Ironbreaer/BonuntyCunter/Pyro/Waystalker. Abduction just means if you get killed, you won't ever be put in the "rescue" stance or does "being put out of action"? Basically normal champion, just slightly less forgiving.

>>14559600

Oh wait nevermind that, pick ups means medkits too

>>14559584

>fully charged snipe pierces armor so you dont even have to target head vs chaos warriors or stormvermin

Stormvermin yes, Chaos Warriors no. Crits pierce (they do with any weapon), but not the standard railgun shot.

>V1 was Skavens

>V2 added Chaos

What do you think Fatshark would add in an hypothetical Vermintide 3? BeastMen?

>>14559439

>don't play as her

I heard that she is choosen by worst players, and that her skill are OP or too good for what it should do, but is not wrong to ask, and sooner or later I (and anyone) will play the class. I mean, is really that bad as to play her? I want details.

>>14560000

I'd prefer actual demons/daemons to fight

>>14560039

Sylvania is vampire country though

>>14560104

> health regen if health us under 50%, even after being revived.

Should specify; you only get up to half your health if below it.

>>14560172

Did steam close for you too? Same happened to me in a match.

>>14560196

I had Vermintide 2 just crash about an hour and a half ago. Maybe it's the new stability fix?

>>14560208

>*singsong* I'm waiting for youuuu

>Calm down One-Eye, lest you strain sometheng.

Her VA is weirdly cute at times

All the main char VA work is good

>>14560236

Kerillian is an autistic sociopath who is unable to maintain healthy relationships with others.

>>14560242

That's pretty hot

>>14560236

All the va is good, but the northlanders sound like downies

>>14560248

what i dont get is why the Elf has an accent like a vulgar Liverpool female and not a posh one, ruins the immersion for me.

>>14560261

FANCY A SNOG

>>14560355

I don't think wood elves are so much about protecting the forest because they like trees, it's because they're so isolationist they might put an arrow in your head for thinking about their trees too hard.

>>14560355

So wait, if Kerillian's a wood elf, why is her second class bodyguard of the queen of the high elves?

>>14561135

I'm going to quote the wiki on this one:

>Guided by Lileath, the Elven Goddess of the Moon, Kerillian was confident in the visions and dreams she had received from her favoured deity. One night, after yet another day of butchering Skaven, something extraordinary happened. The Everqueen herself, the spiritual leader of the high elves, reached out directly to Kerillian in a dream. Next morning, Kerillian woke up in awe and started to slowly digest the magnitude of what had just occurred…

Make of it what you will. I think it's retarded but WHFB is dead anyway so it's not like upholding the lore has much of a point.

Did all the bosses get nerfed ?

Troll was one thing, but now every single one of them feels easier.

>>14557011

you gotta be host for ironbreaker taunt to work on bosses

Anyone else finding the grind from 200 to 300 item level being complete ass? I've opened at least 6x as many chests getting from 200 to 275 as I have getting to 200. +-10 levels is a lie. My only solace is knowing that there is somebody out there who is still stuck at 5 after hundreds of hours of gameplay thanks to RNG.

>>14561727

Not just you. I got so much fucking shit from supposedly high level boxes like you wouldn't believe.

>>14561767

Fucking amazing he is.

>>14561767

the fuck? so we're getting hero power overall nerf then cleaves and staggers will be weaker as well

Good fucking riddance trying to hold off a horde then, ratties have no unit collision so once few of them will get stacked on top of eachother and attacks will cleave less you'd get hit anyway no matter what you do. It's like they dont see running champ/legends with pugs is hard enough as it is.

Faggots should have buffed underused classes instead of running everything to the ground purely by nerfing the numbers

>>14562157

Well to clarify i'm all in for hardcore legend experience, but the game should be balanced around champ and make legend hard as fuck.

>>14562157

The issue is the power vs. _ traits are irrelevant the way things are right now.

Once this update gets implemented then you'll have a selection of weapons for each occasion you wish to prepare for, either bosses, skaven, zerkers, chaos, or just plain infantry.

>>14562287

I struggle to imagine how a one time powerboost of 5% is going to change fucking anything at all, on any difficulty.

>>14562287

>wish to prepare

That'd be all fine and dandy if emperor tier loot didnt require you to use quick play and get a loot die. Even then ranald might fuck you over.

So in short fuck anyone who thinks this shit is good.

>>14562427

I thought they were just newly conscripted troops from norsca though? Might explain why they're only just going through the transformation. The sorcerers are more viscerally disgusting

>>14562427

That is some dope design. As it stands, ingame, only the sorcerers look somewhat unpleasant. I bet marketing is behind this

>>14562287

Once this update gets implemented then you'll have a selection of weapons for each occasion you wish to prepare for, either bosses, skaven, zerkers, chaos, or just plain infantry.

Too bad actual gameplay expects you to face all of the threats you listed without changing your weapons mid-fight. What a joke

>>14562469

fuck forgot my meme arrow

>>14562469

dont you enjoy playing Fatshark's full release beta anon? Dont even ask for the trophys or keep upgrades or you'll get banned for toxicity you antisemite

>>14562690

Despite all the fuckery and retarded decision all this game needs is a couple months in the oven for fine-tuning and polishing.

Compared to most other releases, especially by AAA kikes, this is breddy gud.

>>14562741

its still been way too rushed to release and the devs being quiet on that front is pretty suspicious.

>>14562753

They do post a lot on their forums if you want to see how they think have a look, though its mostly about technical issues.

>too rushed to release

Kek even they are admitting that it biting their own ass concerning the Heropower stuff.

>>14562753

Their uncle who works at valve told them Left 4 Dead 3 was about to be released so they rushed.

I tried to do a deed in fort Brachsenbroek

We barely made it to the end, where you have to fire a cannon, and for some reason, the game decided to keep up it's namesake.

Rats, Rats constantly, NEVER ENDING RATS

My fps dropped down to below 20, when it's normally a 60 fps.

What a normal ambush or wave is, with 30 or 40 rats

I felt flooded with over 150 rats at the very least, there was no stopping this.

Thanks vermintide

>>14563705

Thats the name of the object itself. The type of weapon is described below in grey. Its a volley crossbow.

>>14563705

Look at your picture more carefully.

Do any of you guys have some actual numbers for the various characters health pools? It's all fine and dandy that various talents reduces damage to 15 or whatever, but I'd like to know how much that is.

>>14563774

default is 100 i think

medium is 125 (handmaiden has this)

heavy niggas like ironbreaker have 150 i think

>>14563774

An anon did some testing in that thread.

http://archive.is/edHQb

>>14557011

>Let me put on my nightmare helmet

>>14554868

too bad the hitreg is fucking awful with it

I wish I could carry two grims as the dwarf.

This new update is horrible. Is fatshark determinted to kill this game this badly?

It doesnt even resemble the beta anymore, i feel smeckledorfed.

Nerfs across the board but Ironbreaker still unfucking killable and now the flamethrowers even more OP based on the new melee.

This is what happens when reddit runs a game.

>>14564844

I can't fucking believe that their 'fix' for Bounty Hunter's Blessed Shot Refresh from quickswap, which was present in the first game, is to add an unavoidable lock on weapon switching after shooting.

Let me say that again:

Instead of fixing the bug in their projectile/attack system, they made it so you could not change weapons to stop you from benefitting from the bug. On a weapon/career specifically devoted to doing exactly that.

>>14564900

I just played a bunch on the beta, and I don't think this is the case at all.

>>14564918

The delay was added to all of Saltzpyre's projectile based weapons (or at least the volley and crossbow), I only looked it up after I ended up taking an unblocked Chaos Warrior swing due to it and thinking something wasn't right.

I don't seem to be the only player with the issue, but the difference was tangible once I realized it was there and started experimenting. I'm not certain what the delay is but it's noticable and will certainly lead to you eating some free hits, I'll probably do some more testing with the switching when I get home.

>>14564946

Perhaps you're right, it might just be the case that I didn't find myself in a situation where it would be relevant. Very annoying if their fix is a delay.

>>14551121

30+50 BH here. I disagree. Volleybow is weird to switch to after getting proficient at RP, but is ultimately much better for soloing.

>>14565341

Them fixing the hero power shit and unfucking Zealots attack speed might elevate it from unplayable to just bad at least.

>>14565374

>Implying Saltzpyre's melee options aren't completely dumpstered after the Hero Power capping/de-scaling.

The flail is absolutely terrible, and the axe only slightly better. It's one of the first things I tried in Legend after the Beta went up.

In fact, almost all of the already-bad or barely good melee weapons are completely useless now, and can't horde clear or nuke specials at all. Every character is cleaving and killing 30~50% less, which means you desperately need the killing power and armor piercing the already-meta weapons provided.

1.05 needs more proper tweaks for classes, beyond retard nerfs and "muh hardcore" choices.

>>14565436

Holy shit and i was thinking it was just to simply stream shit, faggatory just grows.

>>14565457

Indeed. Those watching the stream can vote for what happens to the players during the level (when prompted), so they can either help or fuck them over.

>>14565613

Are you kidding me? Jesus fucking christ streaming was a mistake.

>>14565671

I've seen a few games that do this, or have later implemented it via a patch. Some only bring in a twitch viewer's name into the game as a random character, while others try to implement a voting system like this as almost an essential mechanic of the game. We can only hope that it's a phase that will lose steam soon, but with more normalfags preferring to watch rather than play, I fear that more devs are going to focus on this aspect more and more instead of just making a good game.

>>14564900

At least now volley crossbow niggers can't pretend their epic meta build of shooting hordes is making their shit elf weapon worthwhile.

Why exactly is the twitch mode a bad thing? Is it because it makes the game harder? Because it is twitch/stream-related and that is somehow inherently bad?

I've played with nobody voting (it randomly picks an option), myself voting, and 1-2 friends voting, but nothing else since I'm not some stream-fag, and it made the game much more fun. With one person running it, it feels more like a DM experience and it really adds to the game. It makes me want a fully fleshed out DM mode where a player mostly replaces the AI director, able to spawn in items and enemies or control which paths the heroes can take and such.

Saltzpyre players are the worst, all they do is run ahead swinging wildly and getting themselves killed, and they're all playing recruit difficulty even though they're level 25. Wizard is the true master class.

>>14566739

>I've played with nobody voting (it randomly picks an option), myself voting, and 1-2 friends voting, but nothing else since I'm not some stream-fag

But you need to link to an active stream to even play this mode. Enable this mode to be played in a normal lobby with only the four players voting and maybe we'll talk whether it adds to the game or not. As it stands, it's trying to appeal to people who don't play video games and yes, that makes the game more cancer than it needs to be.

>>14566739

I actually like this idea. I mean twitchfags will do what they want, most players will play the normal mode and never give a flying fuck about twitch-mode. I know I haven't.

DM mode also sounds fun and much easier to implement than VS mode, though I want both eventually.

>>14566816

> more cancer than it needs to be.

I can accept it being bad for games in general but then again the industry is nothing but fucking garbage.

I want to know how this makes V2 specifically worse. How does it improve should twitch mode be removed?

This 1.05 patch is a fucking disaster.

Fatshark stated that they wanted more viable weapons and people being less reliant on ranged, along with fixing broken talents to bring up the classes to par.

Well they've fucked everything up.

They've somehow managed to make the current anti-armor/ranged meta even more pronounced and slow the pacing of legend down by a good 50%. Pyro/BH/WS/IB are now more important than ever.

All they have to do now is nerf the 4 only decent classes into the shitter along with everyone else and we can declare the game dead.

>>14567118

Remember that Legend was balanced based on missing code and a massive bug.

If they correct for that, we might get more viable balance patches.

>>14565298

>Weapon switch priority fix

Holy fuck, this fucked me over so often.

Sod the hero power shit push out these big fixes and put out the hero power stuff later.

>the only reason beam staff was good was because of a bug

NON-FIREBALL SHITTERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>14567445

According to every shitter I've run across, thats exactly why they pick it.

If they had any skills they would just snipe niggers with fireball like every proper witch does

>>14567445

>>14567437

It still melts bosses in around 30-40 seconds when paired with str potion. Dont know why you wouldnt want that since bosses + hordes usually kill your shitter team mates.

>>14560000

anyone telling you shes not good is a fucking retard who prob plays on <champ and has never done a legend deed in their life.

shes the best striker along with sienna, since both have amazing capability to kill specials, she has great weapons (glaive kills chaos warriors so fast, spear is FAST) she has great survivability with her regeneration, great ranged capabilities with her bows and ammo regen (1 shots stormies with headshot)

we run an elf in our comp all the time, and the elf is always consistent in everything, specials, horde killing, shes got tools for everything

>>14567437

its still fantastic after they fixed the crit bug though and I use it to carry through legendary games

>>14567452

But why rely on the normal fire cumulative damage when you can just burst everything to shit? And alt-fire trivializes any horde. The only real downside to beam is that it's not good against hordes that come in slow trickles from every angle instead of densely packed bundles of firewood.

>>14567455

Elf hate stems mostly from the fact that any old noob is likely to pick her since she's the closest Vermintide has to "cute" and will thus play horribly, creating plenty of experiences where elf players aren't good. The other half is regular /tg/ memes.

>ranged only suffer from reduced dmg

>meele not only punished by getting hit from 3 meters away once enemy starts attack animation but cleave and stagger nerfed so meele is even less useful

Now the team is even more dependent on ranged because on legend regular hordes can fuck you up even if you play properly, you cleave enemies and because of nerfs there will still be some fuck who gets uninterrupted attack, and since there are no enemy collisions push attack push attack strategy will get you hit as well.

What the fuck is this, they should get rid of power alltogether and have fixed stagger/cleave numbers, but then there would be no progression. This balance is a mess

>>14567473

>>14567455

Elf was one of the most overtuned characters in the beta and WS is still one of the best classes simply due to how good her kit is, but the Waystalker kit is basically geared towards wannabe-esports kids who want to whore kills and run off from the team which nearly guarantees they'll either be some faggot emptying their entire ammo pool into ambient rats or some elf-loving faggot.

>>14567437

Nah, the Beamstaff is still the best melee weapon in the game.

>>14567487

to be fair, it can be argued that every kit is geared that way.

the reason why i love this game so much is in a month or two when all the shitty gween soicles kids move onto the next FOTM game, i'll have my old vt community back, where everyone works together and knows how to play the fucking game.

i've played with so many retards who either refuse to follow simple directions, or fail to understand what the fuck they are doing.

i played with some queer today ( a bardin player, i find they are worse than elf players cuz they think they're the king of shit mountain, meanwhile their class is just unkillable) who was yelling out in voice chat to come help fight in the middle of a field instead of fighting with your back against the wall.

you explain the slot system, scooting, block cancelling, safe swinging, all this shit to these fucking pubs and they dont fucking get it or they dont care, their way is the best way, yes im mad

>>14560291

>friendly fire exists at level 30

I dont know that either. I sitll have my characters at 12 level more or less, but I havent read anything about that in the game…Could have I missed something?

>>14567592

was replying to this

>>14567571

>>14559477

>Not martial study.

>Not ashen form.

>Not one with the flame.

>Not seething embers.

>Not fiery heart.

Get an orange staff with -4 heat for HS, since you do headshots faster than you gain heat and do even more damage and will never overheat if you're not retarded.

For blocks orange sword with parry (100% stamina reduction if you time it properly).

The regular sword also works much better than the fire sword DPS wise.

You crit way more often than you kill (especially in a dps heavy party since your teammates will get last hits).

Ashen form is sort of necessary in pug as you really have not much health when down and you aggro the whole map + if you're down it means the team DPS is plummeting so it might take your mates a while to realize why they're getting overrun and raise you.

Fiery Hart allows you to spam F even more but if you can't manage the heat Exhaust isn't a bad choice but you can do without.

>>14559555

>I didnt see much damage being done

You're not using it right, it's the most powerful weapon in the game to the point it's extremely dubious it's gonna stay that way.

>>14567717

Fast weapons cleaved and staggered too much i guess, and fatshark claimed nobody used slow weapons which is not true in the slightest. They should just lower stagger and cleave damage on few fastest weapons, not fuck up whole power system effectively nerfing all meele by over 50% (30-40% dmg nerf + less viablity due to getting hit more often because of reduced staggers and cleaves)

>>14567757

They should have buffed the slow weapons, not nerfed the fast ones. I would have gladly used a 2-h sword on Salty, but the thing hits through enemies like you're trying to chop down trees with it and dealt damage like I was slapping dudes with a pool noodle.

The high cleave was the thing making some of those weapons even usable. Without a boat-load of cleave the flail becomes completely useless not just mostly useless. At least before if you didn't kill something with the flail sweep you probably knocked it over and that was only as good as long as you could hit like 5 mans at a time with it. Its damage was always shit, so without the big cleave stagger there's virtually no reason to take it over an axe or falchion.

Not to mention

>fatshark claimed nobody used slow weapons

Which is absolutely wrong for most characters. I see krubers with hammers or 2h swords and elves with glaives all the time. You don't see them on Baradin since the best choice for iron breaker is something with a shield and the obvious option for Slayer is two axes and fucking nobody plays dwarf ranger anyways. Salty and Sienna's big slow weapons suck shit but people still use them anyways now and again.

>>14567807

At least they made the changes in a beta branch, implying they weren't sure if they would work. Sounds like a mistake that's probably going to be fixed, even the steam forums seem to express general dissatisfaction with 1.05.

>>14567812

It's really saying something if even the slack-jawed drooling retards on the special ed community forums think it's a bad idea.

>>14567812

I cant imagine majority being happy with blanket nerfs of this magnitude, no matter what the endgame is.

>>14568803

Just got it today and I agree, it's one of my favorites.

I really hope they pump a lot more of these out. I really like collecting them.

>>14568825

It ticks me off a bit there are skins that barely change anything and ones that are clearly meant to be the coolest shit. I suppose it's a good way to give people a reason to play even on difficulties they outclass (assuming the nicest skins aren't locked to the hardest difficulties) but they could be less blatant about it.

>>14568399

>The best part was when I revealed my nationality to them and they went ballistic

Portuguese?

Just dropped red mace for sienna, already rolled stats for 2 stam and +5% crit chance, which trait is the best? I considered

>off balance (+50% dmg to blocked targed for 3 sec)

>Swift slaying (20% more attack speed after crit and since i play pyro it should be self explanatory)

>Parry (i dont know how big the window for "timed block" is)

>>14567624

>crit health instead of kill health

>heatsink is actually -4 heat for crits not headshots

do you even know what the fuck you're talking about?

>>14569677

Can you imagine the pure bliss that rat must be feeling right now as he feels the life drain from a filthy elf and it's his job to watch?

>>14569734

Small compared to the bliss he would feel if he dragged her back to his pack and they all bred the elf's holes

I keep thinking about getting V2, but from reading the thread, it sounds like I'd rather just stay on V1 for the time being. Plus nobody seems to be able to fucking tell me what the biggest differences between V2 and V1 are besides >classes

>>14569812

Honestly? Wait a year. The game is an absolute fucking mess and it's super obvious they rushed out the release and don't really know what they're doing. From what I've played of 1.0.5 the game just becomes even more bullshitty whilst simultaneously sucking out fun from one of the funnest parts of the game, melee combat.

>>14569812

>classes

>loot system

>moar enemy types

>new maps

I never played V1 but this is what I've managed to glean from talking in these threads.

>>14569904

I'm going to give an example, I know generally what has been changed, but not specifics,

>V1 loot system

>Ranald's bones

>you throw dice and hope for successes that determine which of the 7 listed things you get

>you can acquire tomes/grimoires/cursed die to improve success chances throughout the level

>random quality on top of random acquirement on top of random assorted traits with random chance to proc

What I mean when I ask about this stuff in V2 is how V2 has addressed this system at every level

>>14556856

This implies shitters are interested in getting gud, which they are not, hence nothing of value is lost.

I told you people about the shit-ass community the first game had at the beginning.

If I have to play with mexicans or hueboys one more time I'm going to firebomb Fatshart's studio. I'm sure that will be more costly than running some dedicated servers.

>>14570394

Dedicated servers will be implemented late April to early May, alongside mod support.

>>14569984

In V2, you get a lootbox (no key required) for a completed mission. Tomes, grimoires, loot dice upgrade it, there is also a noticeable bonus for playing a random mission, and also a free Ranald's bonus which is completely random - it can count as three tomes or give you jack shit. Lootbox contains 3 random items for the character who opens it. Better lootbox means better chance for items of higher rarity. It is also easier to get a weapon you want because character level ups will give you blueprints for his weapons, so you can just scrap unwanted items and craft the ones you want (and even upgrade their rarity). Now, there is such thing as Hero Power, it determines your damage and the formula is:

Hero power = 10 * Character Level + (Sum of Item powers)/5

As you see, each item in the game has power. With each box opened, a power of items you get from boxes increases. However, maximum power of items from the box also depends on the mission difficulty - if you got the box from Recruit mission, it will only give you power 100 items, so as soon as you start getting power 100 items, you will have to go to higher difficulty. Also there are no daily missions (I forgot how they worked in the first game), instead, the lootboxes sometimes drop Heroic Deeds, which let you play specific missions on specific difficulties with some conditions that make them harder (such as no respawn, no pickups, all roaming enemies are replaced with elites etc). Reward for the deed is one or two guaranteed lootboxes in addition to the one you get on the mission.

This game and Vermintide 1 have really piqued my interest in Warhammer. Any recommendations on getting started?

>>14571584

Start with The Legend of Sigmar, then Luthor Huss. Gotrek and Felix series afterwards.

>>14571624

>>14571584

After that I highly recommend the Nagash Trilogy followed by the von Carstein trilogy.

Nagash will rise.

>>14571710

Most likely it has some lethal condition. That's how it usually is with animals who behave themselves "funny".

>>14571584

Sword of Justice is breddy good.

>>14562463

No, sorcerers are just fags. Us /fit/ warrior bros gotta keep our looks even when siding with nurgle.

>>14571710

I wonder if they houserule the cat, "anything the cat touches or knocks over dies"

Also the one you are linking to is almost definitely having a seizure.

>>14570889

I'd argue it's a significantly bigger problem than the poise issue, though FROM handled that terribly. Poise was one of many stats, and you needed such a large amount in previous games that most people assumed it wasn't worth it. Here the most important stat in the game is so broken that one of the developers said the players' power could be nerfed by up to 40%. Not only that, but most every stat on your equipment doesn't do what they say they do, and many talents are broken.I hope to god FS handles the upcoming fury well and are able to patch it to being playable.

Also what's the preferred weapons for the dwarf? I'm using the axe+shield and pistols, and I'm not sure if I'm doing poorly or not, given most every game I'm in has a pyro doing absurd damage.

>>14576161

If you think blocking and pushing is the most important then keep using shield+axe, if you just want good stamina (barely less than shield but a significantly reduced angle) but a better attack pattern take the one handed hammer. Its normal attacks are good against hordes and its charged is fast and effective against armored.

>>14575619

Just tried it and I have to agree. Holy fuck it's strong as hell.

>>14576229

The dorf raner, how good was he?

Not the player, the career because I remember it being pretty meh overall.

>>14576250

Hard to say, he joined just as we hit the skittergate and I was too focused on not dying to the boss. He did his job OK but I still had to carry that fight at the end.

>>14576259

I see, well thanks for confirming to everyone what your steam-name is.

I might add you later, you seem like a breddy gud player.

>going zealot and feeling like a second tank

He might not be that bad.

>>14576447

I prefer the first one though the fact that the 2nd one has several dickbeards attached, does indeed make it more menacing.

Especially to the tiny dicks of skaven and norsca.

>>14576447

Definitely the second one. Bigger beard means bigger dick

>>14576461

Zealot's a pretty cool guy. He kills rats and doesn't afraid of anything.

Just a shame what would be his best talent actually busts his own career skill. His career skill in general needs some working since it's midway between Footknight's charge and Slayer's leap but worse than both. Practically no knockback with half the attackspeed bonus and it has to hug the ground pointed rather than directed. It's really kind of shit. It would be nice if it had some sort of defensive component to it to distinguish it from being Slayer's leap lite.

Anyone wanna party up?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Leckaine/

>>14576624

he should get resistance to flinching while being attacked and lifesteal on hit capped at some total ammount

>>14576624

>He kills rats

>not eh kills rats

What the fuck man

I finally get why people bitch at ranged classes.

>champion/legendary

>sienna walking forward with the vaccum like a sleepwalker

>elf with near unlimited arrows spamming like a turret

>whole party just spamming range

>have to walk carefully or crouch near them to not get burned/arrowed

>friendly fire up the arse with no consideration whatsoever

>people get buttmad when you call them out as if you were then one shooting them in the back

>lul ur kills low

Melee is just fucked. Why bother ? I thought legend remedies that, but it is the exact same shit.

>>14576872

>been playing veteran

>just pushed to 300 power as DORF

>Been enjoying using the sustained flame on the dwarven flamer

>horde comes, sit behind the group, rear up and let a long sustained puff of flame out and burn out the entire horde

>rothelm enters fire and proceeds to regret his decision as he gets poiselocked and restart shis animation to swing every .1 seconds

>always highlighting large enemies so teammates can track them in the solid wall of fire

>in a rare desperate pinch, blow myself up by overheating to take the horde with me.

Shame this thing is going to be a bane to my teammates once I start doing 3rd tier difficulty and friendllyfire is a thing.

>>14576943

Reportedly the drakefire weapons do low FF damage, but I think the pistols are more credit to team overall.

>>14576943

It works if you have someone dedicated to take down heavier classes like BH or Smelf. There are legend games where sienna and flamethrower dorf clear everything while 2 others guard them.

It still proves how retarded the balance in this game is.

>>14576943

Not really. Just change

>horde comes, sit behind the group, rear up and let a long sustained puff of flame out and burn out the entire horde

to

>horde comes, sit behind the group, rear up and let a long sustained puff of flame out while advancing and burn out the entire horde

Friendly fire happens and flamethrower doesn't do much as >>14576950 said and your team will forgive you for a tiny bit as long as you minimize it and you trivialize the entire horde in the process. Chances are the damage they'd take from you (so long as you're careful to try to minimize it) is less than they'd take fighting the horde otherwise. Hordes on legend are fuckhuge compared to veteran. What I like to do is move forward while shooting and backpedal after the stream ends to give myself more time to recharge for the next one.

Just make sure you've got someone watching the other side so you don't dirty rats sneaking up from behind and interrupting the flame stream.

Can anyone tell me why the fuck Fat Shark thought it was a good idea to tie central weapon stats like Stagger, Penetration, and Cleave to Hero Power in the first place? Wouldn't the game greatly benefit from static numbers with regards to such things, while damage numbers could be allowed to scale with hero power?

>>14576872

That pretty much summarizes the experience, especially the part where they get buttmad at you if you bring it up like it's your fault they're shooting you in the ass when the elf is firing at every idle joe, dick, and sally you come across and sienna thinks she's helping when she's at the other end of the corridor but still wants to roast wankers through the three other people between them and her.

>>14576943

Flame thrower is actually not terrible. It's friendlyfire is low enough that unless you're actively trying to hit your teammate with it, they'll be able to figure it out and move out of the well before they take any noticeable amount of damage.

It's elves and bad siennas that are the problem because they don't care if you've got shit under control, if you're between them and something that's still alive at that moment, they're still going to fire at it. Infinite ammo was a mistake.

SO with Kruger and Barin, what class do you prefer? With Kruger its hard to choose, and lately doing Mercenary because of more speed+its support ability. Barin with Ironbreaker is really good, although I havent tested Slayer yet.

And about Kerillian bows…whats the point of the other bows, besides the longbow? The cursed one have low ammo, and its "great" damage isnt instant, and the rapid bow is just a weaker bow that launches more arrows, but the thing with Kerillian is that most of her melee weapons are fast, and good for crowds. So I cant see the point to change my longbow over any other ones…

>>14578214

Longbow is the best but it's aim-reliant. If you're good at headshots there's no reason to not pick it. Hagbane's the more versatile one. Its charge attack staggers anything that isn't a boss and has decent AoE so it's workable for crowds, and most importantly its DoT stacks so you can unload into a boss and he'll drop like a fly. Swiftbow is pretty much boss only.

>>14578690

Read the post idiot. I played the whole fucking map with bots. You really think I could stand back and fire from safety? 95% of the game I was spamming the alt-fire shotgun blast on the front lines and murdering EVERYTHING.

>>14578214

What's the deal with Hunter's "ammo on headshot" ability? I swear to got it only works half the time.

>>14578716

>Thinks randos are terrible

>Does better with bots

>Is the problem

Nope, doesn't work that way. If randos are worse than bots then it's definitely not me.

I can go into champion level missions with my kruber now, does the friendly fire activate on that level and does it apply to melee weapons and ranged or just ranged?

>>14579452

Just ranged weapons and even then it's usually a pretty small percentage of each hit. The problem is that shitters think this means they can spam indiscriminately and half the shots go through your ass which really adds up over time.

As long as you don't make it a habit to try to frag every idle tosspot on the map with your boomstick just because you can, nobody will even care if you hit them once in a while.

>>14579566

Area effect weapons like the Flamethrowers or the Beam staff and drakfire pistol alt fire seem to do almost no damage at all to players. Damage over time effects like the beam staff primary usually take a second or two to ramp up to being noticeable, so just passing the beam over a player for an instant shouldn't do much.

Given that every player SHOULD have health on kill at champion+, they'll have enough temp health generation that minor hits from these weapons should be completely ignored. If you are in a surrounded horde situation it's better to spam the beam staff/pistol alt anywhere the enemy is and not worry about the FF at all.

Bigger hits however should always be avoided. A blunderbus or saltzpyre's spread shot can sometimes 1-shot players. Elf longbow or poison bow arrows are fairly dangerous as well, especially when aimed/charged. Be aware of which attacks do negligable damage and which hurt, it doesn't do you any good to get mad at Sienna for touching you with her fire all the time, but if the elf shoots you full charge even once it's a problem

>These stairs go up

>These stairs go downward

I think the dwarf might be a little weak in the head

>>14550720

Anyone have the Victor Saltspyre Steven Colbert image saved from this archive here? https://archive.fo/FTxMp

I'm going to make a meme image because I had two Siennas glitch spawn in my game and I think it would be appropriate.

>>14580594

That dialog triggers regardless of the conditions. Drink a potion when wounded and on 1 HP, first potion consumed in the round and there are spares everywhere? Dialog still fucking triggers.

>>14580640

I've only seen it trigger when around half health or so

>>14580640

It counts temp hp as real hp for those lines.

>>14581074

I know why you posted that, but I just want to state that on higher difficulties two grims are irrelevant. You either die quickly because you fucked up/got fucked or you don't die, very rarely does it even matter how much HP you have especially with all the temp health you should be getting. On lower difficulties it makes a difference (because it's a big chunk out of a huge health pool), but if you are too much of a shitter to run Vet with 2 grims no matter who is in your group I don't know what to say to you other than git gud.

>>14581571

You just pointed out something I was starting to suspect.

The grims aren't fucking worth it anymore.

Apart from the in-game difficulty I have opened most of my Emp chests only to find absolute garbage inside.

Besides, you get commendation chests one way or another, so why should anyone even fucking bother with the grims at this point?

>>14581653

You shouldn't short of champion and legendary at 300 item power. The exp bonus is negligible and the item rarity bonus is pointless before max item level. The only reason to take them on champ and legendary is for that extra little chance of getting an exotic item. Even then, the chance is so small that it still might not be worth it.

>>14581999

You can't get reds if you don't try. My original point is that there's no reason to NOT get grims because they don't actually make the game noticably harder. So what kind of faggot decides "oh the loot is rare so I may as well not bother taking an extra 30 seconds to grab shit"

>>14582316

The kind that know Fatshark are retarded on several accounts and is going to wait until they fix their broken RNG loot system. As of yet it's worse than the previous game.

Go ahead, tryhard. Go beat the the missions and be happy about 2 blues and 1 green in your Emperors chest.

Congratulations, you win a pumpkin, you lucky bleeder.

>>14581074

Praise Sigmar thank you.

>>14581999

Neither have I which is why I said "might". I don't know about legendary chests, but I don't think there's even the chance to drop them on anything short of emperors for champion. It's mostly up to you to decide if it's worth the trouble.

Personally I don't unless they rework the rates because they're astronomically low right now.

>>14582354

It might actually be better to speed run through them for quick completions rather than go for grims and tomes. More chances might be more helpful than marginally better chances.

Maybe grab tomes since they really don't do anything and most of them are just lying by the side of the road like lost hubcaps, you can just reach your hand out and snag them as you run past. But a good chunk of those grims are a real pain in the ass to get and break-up the pace too much.