/v/ - Video Games

It's not a traditional video game so it's hard for some people to get it.

>>14540949

It's a 5v5 game that uses matchmaking to create teams in a game that requires group co-ordination and strategy. It's a living hell when one weak link can pull your team apart and you have no control over who you get paired with if you are solo.

I guarantee 50% of the hate would disappear if you were forced to create a lobby and talk to people before you started each match. Same goes for all online team games though.

>>14540949

There's nothing wrong with it the /v/ hivemind just dislikes it because they can't play it well.

>>14541072

Also building on what >>14540978 says it's best played in a team of 5 and most anons are lucky to have one friend to play with.

Niggers

>>14540978

>>14541075

That's it? So you guys would have no problem with the game if it existed only within a professional circuit?

>hour long matches

>"gameplay" is autism farming simulator where you spend 30 minutes doing amazing stuff like hitting a creep and clicking back and forth

>no region locking

>99% of the playerbase are literal braindead 10 year old retards who openly speak Russian on english only servers and don't give a flying fuck

>dress up simulator who's only purpose is to get said ten year olds addicted to online gambling

And that's only from the top of my head.

its a glorified lootbox delivery system for valve so that they can keep mooching off of money from microtransactions without any effort.

>>14540949

It's popular and some people blame it for killing the RTS genre.

It also got popular without "mainstream gamers" noticing, because there were no ad campaigns and paid reviews, so that made people doubly angry because they didn't want to feel as if they had missed something.

>>14541295

>dress up simulator who's only purpose is to get said ten year olds addicted to online gambling

>>14541420

>its a glorified lootbox delivery system for valve so that they can keep mooching off of money from microtransactions without any effort.

Just don't buy them. There is no point where the game punishes you/puts you at an disadvantage for not buying cosmetics.

>>14540949

It's a casualized version of Starcraft, and killed the whole genre of RTS by introducing normalfags to it.

>>14541422

same i got bord of playing with peruvians and shit gets stale

>>14541621

not even the same genre, retard.

the reason rts died is either because humanity as a whole got dumber to appreciate it or we can just chalk it up to the west being significantly stupid that they let gooks takeover that genre.

It's a subgenre made out of a mod made because a modder's little brother couldn't enjoy an RTS because there were too many resources to manage.

In addition it's used as a cash sink and to groom players that will behave in agreeable ways for tournaments to milk even more money out of venues and admission despite not actually creating any actual new content for the game, and the game certainly is lacking in content depth even with all the extraneous shit they have piled onto it. In addition it is the prime example of matchmaking being used to groom player behavior instead of having organic player activity.

>>14540949

RTS dumbed down for 80 IQ third worlders.

>>14541680

>be a good goy to earn good goy points

How about eat shit and die?

>>14540978

You are assuming you can actually communicate with your teammates half the time. Often they are South American, Slav or Chinese niggers bickering in their garbage language

>>14540949

Because it helped popularise a cancerous genre alongiside LoL.

>>14541702

Popular things are not derided purely because they are popular. The hatred (and apprehension at best) is due to the inevitability of the whole thing being toned down to appeal to a greater market share. The uniqueness of the game is sacrificed to pull in more shekels and the devs NEVER FUCKING EVER double down on the assumption that what it had is what brought people to it anyways. But casuals don't ever understand the depth a game had, so when it is bastardized they never interacted with it at a deep level to even notice the game was ruined for their fucking pleasure.

>>14540949

Because it is superior version of RTS and RTS fans can't get over this fact. It constantly reminds them about "good old times" when "classic" RTS had no competition and gamers we forced to play this clunky UI genre. Now superior competition exist everyone except hardcore fans left, and RTS fans left alone has nothing to do but to whine about their loss.

On euro servers, slavs are allowed to run rampant. At least Legal Legends had the sense to not allow Cyrillic or other non-alphabetic character sets, and had EU northeast set up as a slav containment area. I'm sure US has its own brownskin problem in Dota that's equivalent to slavs in Europe.

Dota2 being a modern nu-game means it has a toxic community in the sense that some cunt will go out of his way to ruin your game while being just 'nice' enough to stay within the rules, but if you dare to call him a faggot it's you who will get fucked for it. It's that high school "reporting" culture where everyone abuses the rules to be mean to each other but can't handle banter or fun.

Cosmetics are always bad, they're a form of video game cancer and cannot be "done right".

e-sports was only good when it was a joke to use the phrase 'e-sports', when the leagues were player-created and run and there were no meaningful prizes or fame to be had. Gookclick gaminghouse sponsor tournaments are cancer and probably the death of competitive gaming for the foreseeable future.

ELO-based matchmaking is soul-destroying because normalfags and bad players cannot handle it.

>>14541727

even if this is bait, the best thing about this thread are rtsfags scattering salt.

they should have gitgud if they didn't want gooks overrunning their game and killing any interest about it aside from worst korea.

doesn't help that gooks left rts to die and moved on to lol.

>>14541686

>be a raging faggot

>get matched with other raging faggots

>howcouldthishappen.jpg

>>14541422

classic BananaShitstainSlamDogshitJamma

I used to like the game a lot. It was like crack. I watch the International every year and still will even though I quit, it's really fun to watch. TI is something I can gladly shitpost about, and still genuinely enjoy watching at the same time, like a bizarro E3. Onto why I quit though, 7.00 ruined the game for me. I fucking hate the new talent system, and some of the more recent balance changes were retarded.

>>14541740

>>The biggest RTS games have never been enjoyable at a casual level

When they had no proper competition. As superior MOBAs arrived "the artificial difficulty" RTS genre keeled over.

>RTS games have never had good UI

Proper RTS UI is controlling one unit. Moving away from that reduced performance.

>>14541735

ELO-based matchmaking is soul-destroying because it destroys idea of self improvement. Elo is perfect "level scaling monsters". No matter how players does, good or bad, player will get same 50% winrate result. Perfect dream world of liberals where everyone equally wins. Player would never feel real tangible results of his improvement.

>>14541773

Constant incremental updates and competitive games just don't go together. Dota 2 does a better job at it than most, but it's still a bad idea. Sooner or later it drains the life out of the game even if there's no disastrous set of changes in one of the hundreds of updates forced on the game.

imagine:

>Real-world Poker update v0.0.1.3.457 (Early Access)

>we didn't like the way people were enjoying poker in the real world and running successful poker tournaments

>we've changed the rules so poker now has to be played the way we think it should be played. All your strategies are now invalid, please learn the game again.

>there will be another update to Poker next month based on our new arbitrary whims

>>14541791

Yes, I've slugged through ELOs and even at the top it's as bland as at any other level. I miss having a healthy spread of good and bad players in a given server. Getting destroyed by great players enjoying a good pubstomp made me want to get better at the game.

I never heard of this bideo game

>>14541721

>call someone a faggot

>get banned forever

>>14541506

>Just don't buy them

Because ignoring the cancer is gonna make it go away right?

Why don't you fuck off?

>>14540949

It's part of the game shitty poseur RTS genre. ASSFAGGOTS are the reason we don't get new Age of Empires/Rise of Nations sequels.

>>14542128

what logic is this?

i play fighting games the same reason i play shit like dota. because the only progression is player skill. one requires individual skill while the other requires skill to carry 4 retards against 5 others.

nothing carries over to the next match, just improvement on the player.

>>14542135

>ASSFAGGOTS are the reason we don't get new Age of Empires/Rise of Nations sequels.

Nigger, shut the fuck up. You think we would have new RTS games if Dota and LoL didn't exist? You are a fucking nigger. There is a reason why recent RTS games suck, these kind of games are simply hard to make. And on top of that, nobody is willing to play them online because everyone is afraid of getting their ass kicked. Just look into the RTS threads, everybody is playing offline or RA1 and RA2 because they have figured that game out. Nobody is willing to pick up a new RTS and play it online.

>>14542143

What?

You may be right to call me dimwit since I can't understand what's your point.

>>14542144

Mobas have levels, and gear that you accumulate like in action rpgs similar to diablo.

At least you do in Dota. I didn't try other ones.

>>14542149

>You think we would have new RTS games if Dota and LoL didn't exist?

This is true. Superior MOBAs took way players from the inherently flawed RTS games. RTS have no big audience and market to sell because of that.

>>14541295

>Hour long matches

>A bad thing

Fucking casual, I bet you love Overwatch if you can't stand a game being long.

>>14540949

Its a party game that has no business being "competitive"

>>14542466

>In order to play ranked you have to be level 30

>Games are 30m+

>This requires approximately 150 games, or 75h

>Some games are just shit

>Through no fault of your own, the game is lost within the first 5 minutes with no hopes of recovery

>Have to wait the other 25 minutes-hour for the game to end or else you get punished for leaving

>>14542476

Game is not bad, the community is retarded. All these features are cool additions to the game to keep niggers out, but when 80% of the community is fucking retarded they still make it into ranked games.

>>14542476

>no hope of recovery

This is also false. Fuck off casual. This isn't even me defending dota, it's me telling you that an hour long match isn't bad and only a casual has that give up mentality.

>>14542484

Nothing wrong with long matches, but some matches are just cancer. Imagine you first pick support and your team proceeds to pick absolute passive cancer heroes will the enemy goes full offensive heroes. You have to spend at least 20 minutes doing nothing will your team get's destroyed. For example, carry drow games. When your only real core is a safelane drow you gonna have a bad time. Because that shit hero isn't doing anything. You want to gank? Nah, nobody coming with you, and that is basically the only thing you can do as a support.

>>14542495

I've won plenty of unwinnable matches like that. But these days everyone wants to give up and move to next at the first sign of issues. With issues with the game valve failed to address like boosting services, bought accounts, shit match making, region MMR inflation, etc…. You can't really blame the players for wanting to give up.

I played it for three hours, I enjoyed it, but not the part that really matters.

This was around 4 years back so shit might have changed drastically. Basically the problem lies in the fact that this game is so dependent on other players, except said other players are so shitty it completely ruins the experience. I played around 10 PvP matches. Every single match had any combination of the following

>someone who probably has difficulty controlling his motor functions

>deaf and blind idiots who can't see wards

>people who leave the instant things don't go right for them in the first nanosecond

>russians

Believe me I enjoyed the game. I enjoyed playing the supports and getting crafty with abilities and items. But if the people you're playing with are so desperate for a nuke then I'm not going to stick around in the hopes that eventually I'll find a once in a lifetime match that's actually fun to play.

I haven't played much of it to talk shit about the actual gameplay, but I will say last hitting was not that fun(denying was) of a mechanic.

>>14542484

>This is also false.

This is not. If player is decided that match is lost it is his right to believe so. game is about player choice. Player chooses his course of action, what he believes is the best. Te may be right and win he maybe be wrong and lose. This is the game. Decision to surrender match is no different than decision what hero to pick. Now you coming in and saying that players does not have capacity to decide how to play game, that means gaming process itself is meaningless.

>>14542509

That's not what I mean, you can turn a lot of shit around when you try. but sometimes you end up in a match with niggers who don't even want to win. Like, you open up the profile of your carry and you see that he has played 8 matches today. That assclown is clearly tired as fuck and plays out of… who fucking knows… But he clearly doesn't want to win. he goes jungle 24/7, ignoring the minimap and everything else. Sometimes you just get 4 niggers in your team who wait for the game to end.

>>14540949

1) It's Steam-only. We're not fans of Steam, so that alone is enough.

2) Community is seriously fucking retarded until you enter high MMRs.

3) MMR system is complete dogshit and Valve wants you to pay for the chance to fix your MMR.

4) Valve is casualizing the shit with talent trees, shrines, rebalances, and other crud. Their new heroes are dumb as hell too, carrying is in general more difficult (and more teamwork-dependence means more chances your cancer team will ruin your game) and Valve's predilection towards forcing a particular meta is really annoying.

Honestly DotA is an inferior AoS game on the whole. Maybe among professional AoS games it looks good, but if you were part of the Warcraft 3 custom map community, there were a lot of better ones. I personally liked playing perSonas back in the day, although that got broken by a patch, but they made a sequel called Arkana.

>>14542518

Fuck off casual. It's thanks to idiots like you that 60% of league games end with the team voting to surrender. There are so many games I have won despite us losing up until the end. You are the definition of casual.

>>14542535

>anon gets triggers by EZ

>post pop shit ebin

>is a greifer

This post is bait, right?

>>14542495

It's called a late game strat. If you can't even comprehend this then you're better off not playing dota.

crappy cashgrab that could only possibly be consistently fun in a match of all friends that requires you to have (((steam))) to play

>>14542529

>We

Shoo shoo, tornigger.

>>14542557

No it's not, there is no thing as "late game start" in dota anymore. This is why Huskar is op in 5k and okay in low ranked games. In 5k Huskar and his team and the game in 25 minutes, in low mmr people don't realize that he falls of and they jerk around until the enemy manages to come back. You gain a early advantage and finish the game.

But I wasn't even talking about that, I am talking about people who say "fuck you all" and then go afk jungle, dodging all fights, just waiting for the game to end. If the enemy team is equally retarded and goes jungle all day long you have to wait 30 minutes doing nothing because the enemy doesn't want to finish yet and your team doesn't want to play.

>>14542540

>>14542539

>Everyone should do what i say

What is even the purpose of asking for other humans in your game?

>>14542570

Late game isn't rigidly tied to a minute count, it's tied to how fat the late carries are at any given point. As soon as a main carry starts getting 3+ items you know you're riding the wave into the late game.

It's an ongoing effort keeping up with community meta and balance charges on top of a steep initial learning curve on top of dealing with a community driven slightly insane by all the listed experiences. There are elements of these things in any worthwhile multiplayer game, but at some point it stops being a game and more like a shitty job.

>>14541480

>>14541608

>>14541621

>>14541669

>>14541727

I think that the main issue is that assfaggots plague RTSes by association, now devs think RTSes have to invest in (((esports))) or outright make assfaggots instead of RTS. Most games got hit by shit that assafggots have brought, but RTSes were hit the hardest. And apparently central european autism grew weak, so there's not much of an audience. Or maybe RTSes simply drown in marketing noise, I don't know.

>>14542520

That's what I was getting at though. The community is so tilt from the same shit over and over again, that even if you can win they will just give up at the first sign of resistance.

>>14540949

Dota is the reason shit like overwatch became a thing. If you like, or play this game kill yourself.

>>14540949

Oh, the CHALLENGE system encourages players to prioritize doing retarded shit over winning. Also Valve's tendency to push players into a specific meta, implement build-up phase requirements, and generally make the game more reliant on teamfighting and teamwork really don't help when 4/5ths of the team consist of people who are not you, thus limiting your ability to decide matches with superior skill. And the lack of backdooring reduces strategic possibilities further.

Ultimately Valve's balancing trend is more pushing players towards a specific meta than allowing a diversity in gameplay strategies.

>>14542564

>being a steamfag

Go back to >>>/4chan/ newfag. You're on 8chan, and this ain't a goddamn 4/v/ bunker for you to shitpost in every time you get banned from halfchan for being too retarded even for them.

>>14542601

True. Although these days you can't go wild with shit like MoM anymore. They nerfed that item right proper.

>>14542638

True. If you add a surrender option to DotA you will see DotA 1 plugpullers make a comeback and attempt to surrender and throw a fit when it fails because they died 5 minutes into the game then feed or rage all game long because "game is lost" or shit.

>>14542655

The MoM meta was fucking retarded.

>>14542648

You mean TF2.

>>14542655

On the contrary, /v/ hivemind is cuckchan shit.

>>14542647

RTSs are fucked because nobody wants to experiment with the genre, and now that mobas are a thing, they're pretty much doomed to either be a moba clone or a C&C clone.

>>14542668

>>14542685

It's probably dependent on your ranks.

>>14542647

>faggot devs or publisher

Oh, you with (((they))) were faggots. They don't misread anything - they aim for the exact audience they want. It's called "lowest common denominator".

>>14542684

I don't want an innovative 4D all physics buzzwords game, I just want a fun game. Too bad nobody knows how2 anymore.

>>14542700

Well if you don't want innovation there's indie C&C clones. Personally I have a really hard time getting into RTS'. They just all feel the same.

>>14542700

My point was they try to make shekels by appealing to what popular even though thats not what their audience wants and they end up losing because they are retarded.

>>14542700

>They don't misread anything - they aim for the exact audience they want.

And they're really bad at that. Just look at DoW3. Face it, a lot of devs don't know what they're doing. They try to pull players away from DOTA and LoL not realizing that the people who play those games don't want to invest time in other, similar, new and little known games. MOBAs are a huge time sink and hugely addictive, so the players won't want to spend time learning another game when they already have a game they know inside and out. MOBAs ruin RTS games indirectly when devs try to cater to an audience that does not give a shit about RTS.

>>14542725

You said exactly what I was trying to say in less words. Fuck me.

>>14542768

>MOBAs ruin RTS games indirectly when devs try to cater to an audience that does not give a shit about RTS.

MOBAs ruin RTS gaming because it is better and proper version of RTS. RTS can't compete with them.

>>14542661

And they ended it by completely savaging the item so it silences you. High risk high reward playstyles are hard to come by now.

>>14542668

Never go pure support you moron. Remember the ABC of DotA: ALWAYS. BE. CARRYING. Or personally, always semi-carry (preferably with disables). When you play pure support, you open yourself up to this shit where your team's carry is too retarded to carry the game and you end up losing no matter how well you can support. If you were to just add Midas, pick the 60 damage talent at 10, and use the extra gold you amassed later on to get shit like Orchid and Halberd, you would've had a hero that both supports and carries instead of depending on his dogshit carry.

>>14542673

Alright, that's a fair argument, but a lot of people here really DO hate Steam.

>>14542899

>Never go pure support you moron.

This works until you start losing games simply because the enemy team had a support who did nothing but buy smokes, deward and ward.

>>14542930

It's true. There really isn't much you can do if you're not party matchmaking.

>>14542966

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the end of the day you will lose games simply because no one picked hard support.

I remember being in this situation a couple times, but I can point to a more specific example. I was watching CLQs games where he stomps ancient and below, and he constantly is buying himself wards and smokes. This only really works for him because he's so above the players he's against that he can suffer the small GP loss. In his own rank though, theres multiple times where his team gets raped because the other team has a support.

The only time doing the core/support thing worked for me is when I would pick chen, and just rape all the lanes so hard, get early towers, and end the game before the enemy team knew what the fuck was going on. I suspect this only worked because chen can push like a monster early in.

>>14542996

When rat doto got popular, you'd see people soloing the game with NP because fuck relying on literal niggers when you can just outpush the enemy team by yourself.

sage

>>14542152

>What?

When the other anon said "the point is HOW you progress" he meant that even a simple DotA character can play in a variety of meaningfully different ways depending on item choice, the order you level your skills in, and other factors like your team's income and potential early game snipes.

Of course, many of these builds are outright wrong or outclassed by other strategies (to say nothing of characters being outdone by other characters), so I am skeptical of this claim.

A very-highly competitive game, in which small actions have high impact on the game.

A game where you could be losing terribly for 60 minutes and you have to stay and keep at it until the very end.

It's okay.

>>14542831

That's like comparing

>ALWAYS. BE. CARRYING.

What the fuck? Are you stoned or something? Carries don't win games, supports do.

If your team has a decent carry hero picked, then they need a support to get them through the laning and earlygame. Give them their wards, their rotations, their warning pings. Sacrifice yourself for them.

As a support, you're the chessmaster and your team are your pawns. You shephard along your cocky manchild Anti-Mage so he outfarms the other team. Most pub games at low MMR and commend levels are shit because there aren't supports.

Can't say I didn't go into the fucking shit. I even bought some skins, but I am regretting it right now.

>>14543179

Supports can counter-carry now? Ayylmao, there is not way you can find a "decent" team right now. There is not team direction or even team composition, you're really playing 1 vs 9.

>>14543179

>like comparing

<not finishing the sentence because distractions

Fuck, I'm retarded. But that's like saying Sonic games ruin Mario games, when in fact there's a fan overlap between both.

You and >>14542768 are both right in ways. Current RTS devs make this mistake of familiarity by making their RTSes like ASSFAGGOTS, when really the genres and playerbases are different. If they want overlap, they'd probably get more by making RTSes more different to them, not more similar.

>>14540949

fountains and talent trees, also the betrayal of a loyal fanbase in favor of whales

>>14541810

Too bad he's dead. Now he's just another wannabe DotA streamer with nothing to differenciate himself from any other DotA youtuber aside from some over-the-top complaining. Truly a treasure was lost.

"You have no reason to play DotA anymore if you're an english speaking player."

"There should be a game mode where you get shot in the head the moment that you're negative."

>>14543204

>>14543179

It's a team effort to win, under the ideal circumstances.

>>14543223

>wannabe DotA streamer

Idk about that. I think he only streams because it's his living. He very rarely streams and has said tons of times that he doesn't like it because it's harder to play the game.

>>14543291

> did it get any better since?

No.

>>14543204

Yes you can, it's called having a decent commend/report ratio. 1v9s are the minority, you're acting like they're the constant.

Supports decide so much. Their roaming and lane support. The crowd control. Their ultimates as initiation/followup. Where they ward. In a proper game of dota, fighting without the support can be suicidal and both teams know it.

>>14543291

Yes, but then again I'd tell you that talents made the game better since it did some much-needed filling for some holes in most heroes' sets.

>>14543288

I do agree with that, though my point was mostly in regards to the relationship with his fans. A lot of the people who watched him did so for the Long Qua persona instead of for the DotA content. Now that he's dropped that entirely there really isn't any reason to watch him. Last I heard he streamed to pay for college which is fine, just a shame he was the only DotA content creator putting out content of his nature, and he abandoned it entirely for whatever reason.

>>14543204

>Supports can counter-carry now?

It's called you roam, gank, deward and early push until the enemy team is so crushed they don't even want to play anymore. I remember I use to play nothing but fucking Chen, a hero who is irrelevant after 20 minutes, and would consistently win just because the enemy team had no room to do anything.

>>14541377

I bet you have 5 k hours. I had around 2.5k after giving up on it. There came a point where I just started to hate the game. How do you guys keep playing it? The game has gotten progressively worse since 6.83 with the comeback mechanics. Just watch pro dota and stop wasting your time on this joke of a game.

>>14543317

>Last I heard he streamed to pay for college which is fine,

That's pretty sad. I remember in one of his old CLQ streams he basically said everything I thought about college almost exactly. That it's basically a scam and the teachers are idiots. At the end of the day though if you don't have a degree most places wont even look at you.

>>14543345

Some people on this board legitimately think the game hasn't been on a decline and that it wont get worse.

>>14543291

They are actually good.

>>14543331

That's a really good idea, too bad you need to post on reddit for valve to read it.

>>14542831

I know you're just shitposting, but fuck it. That's like saying that TPS is better than FPS. It's plain wrong, they're different at their core. MOBAs are closer to ARPGs like Diablo than RTS.

>>14543331

I think LoL already has this feature. Or it did the last time I played it which was about 3 years ago. You could team up with a friend or two and form a team. Matchmaking would fill any holes if you didn't have a 5 man team.

>>14540949

not enough cute fairies

also, isn't it a purely PVP game?

>>14543364

Hopefully he's majoring in something that isn't completely polluted with stupidity. A couple of friends of mine got degrees in engineering and apparently they barely had to deal with any brainwashing marxist dogshit. If he's going into something other than that though he's probably fucked.

>>14543415

Its probably comp sci. He said if he went to college that'd be his major, but he took one class that was so bad he dropped out.

>>14543424

What little college I experienced the IT field was strangely polluted by blue-hairs and trannies despite it being a relatively exact science. So he's probably fucked.

>>14543437

CS feels like the goto major for millennials. Particularly gaming normalfags.

>>14543331

This is a bad idea. The creators should not force any sort of meta, and besides, if you are getting your pic related every game, then chances are your rating is in the dumpster. You can climb out by picking the best hero after accounting for what your teammates pick. Improve yourself instead of whining about your teammates.

>>14543469

> The creators should not force any sort of meta

I agree with this 100%. Which is why Dota Plus will permanently keep me from ever reinstalling the game, ever.

>>14543467

That is overwhelmingly true from everything I've read and experienced. Saw some CS major once who actually managed to graduate but was a Transgender antifa supporting self-identified communist. They punched his professor once in a fit of autistic rage but the guy didn't press charges unfortunately.

>>14543502

>Saw some CS major once who actually managed to graduate but was a Transgender antifa supporting self-identified communist. They punched his professor once in a fit of autistic rage but the guy didn't press charges unfortunately.

This is like the cancer is eating itself. Retard professors who curve the class so any idiot can pass and the same retards turning on them.

>>14543502

>>14543467

CS is where the best jobs are at. Since it's popular, of course SJWs are going to be in it to some degree

>>14542899

>And they ended it by completely savaging the item so it silences you.

It was like that before the retarded MoM meta, newfriend.

>let's play a 40 minute game that will ultimately be decided by one late game fight and the tilt from the losing team because of it

This is not fun. It's a waste of time. The only way to play dota is with 4 other friends of about the same skill level but none of us have that which is why people are defending match making itt.

>>14543531

>CS is where the best jobs are at.

I've been debating with myself on whether or not it's worth it. You're going to be spending a lot of time with soyboys and poos. Not to mention most companies are so bloated that they could fire half the people there and still function and it reflects in their code. Doing basic things takes forever, and it's some extremely unfulfilling and tedious work. Having a break-room that serves beer doesn’t change that. Pretty soon paired programming will take over due to the Agile meme, adding another layer of cancer to the whole process.

>>14542930

You can still pack a midas and damage talent on your pure support. You might also be able to save gold dewarding by carrying a gem (or using Necronomicon 3). You can also go semi-support on heroes that get superior farm, like Doom.

>>14542996

>This only really works for him because he's so above the players he's against that he can suffer the small GP loss.

Not exactly. A lot of idiots are also bad at using cost-effective early to mid-game items to dominate on a budget and just wait to get the big items. If you want some budget asskicking items: Ring of Aquila, Treads, Phase Boots (I've gone double boots before when playing budget builds), Mask of Madness (the silence really fucking sucks though), Helm of the Dominator (OP in the earlygame), Blademail (if you're int, it's a 32 damage item guaranteed to win the trading blows game), Diffusal Blade (People really overlook this combination of damage, attack speed, and slows for just 3.1k). The ability to use cost-effective items is seriously underrated. Every fucking idiot seems to build directly for the lategame prize instead of building earlygame items they'll sell later if it helps them dominate the early and midgame.

If you're playing shit like Luna or Drow, it's totally possible to go earlygame Ring of Aquila, Ring of Aquila, Treads, Wind Lace, and steamroll some poor bastards. Everyone will be confused why you're already destroying people with that tiny bit of farm. You can also go right-click Sniper with Ring of Aquila, Phase, MoM, and Wind Lace. People die before they even know what happened.

>>14543179

You can still buy wards if you're semi-carrying. You can also win the warding game with shit like Beastmaster.

>>14543276

Emphasis on "ideal." Unless you are at high (5k+) idiot-proof MMRs or playing with a crew you know, it really shouldn't be counted on.

>>14543467

Pick Computer Engineering instead. It's better.

>>14543549

I haven't played DotA in a long time.

sage

>>14543627

>Pick Computer Engineering instead. It's better.

It's the same thing with a different name.

>>14543650

I wonder what kind of shitfit the autist who compiled that first image would throw if he saw all the modern immortals with particle effects spilling every which way.

Dota is the ultimate Zen game

- Must focus on self-improvement win or lose.

- Must try to get along with wide range of nationalities and personalities.

- Endless chances for anger: will you give in or continue as best you can?

>>14543486

Daily reminder that flat is justice and you're a fag.

>>14543659

You share fewer classes with them. You can also go Engineering major with a Computer Science minor. That way you definitely have fewer SJWs to deal with, and you have more well-paying career options.

>>14543728

>torfaggot has shit opinion

as usual

>>14543754

>You share fewer classes with them

I don't go to class.

>you have more well-paying career options.

Except you don't. Where I'm at all the computer engineering jobs went to electrical engineers, and computer engineering is essentially CS with more time consuming classes.

>>14542899

I had no choice weather to be pure support or not anon, we were against an axe in that trilane and they were pushing really hard, ganking hard to deny people farm. I was simply fighting constantly.

But sadly even if I was not pure support, I needed Dragon knight or Wraithking to get blademail, but they chose poorly on items, it was a loss either way.

assfaggots are just anti-fun time sinks with shit people playing them

>copy and paste gameplay in a oversaturated market

>games last way to fucking long

>is based on a mod for a infinitly better game

>cash shop

>characters are forgettable and try way to hard with backstory

>movesets are copy and paste reskins of other characters with minor twists that do nothing in the long run

>gameplay is mostly the same no matter what role

>sit around in lane clicking for an hour

>only 5 roles and they are all shit

>you can't play the game how you like because teammates r shit

>queue times

>get into game and your teammates are all foregin shitters

>game is mostly hyped up my reddit

>cosmetics

>lootboxes

>it's getting a cardgame

>(((competitive)))

>It's not fun

Fuck you, check my dubs.

>>14543785

I wasn't saying to major computer engineering with a computer science minor. I was saying to major engineering outright with a computer science minor. That way you both have computer jobs and engineer jobs available to you.

>>14543810

Not sure what the current situation is but I used to just rush Soul Ring on heroes so I could abuse abilities to harass the enemy out of lane. Soul Ring Sven was really good at relentlessly hammering the enemy and helping himself to creeps. Soul Ring Rubick can also spam Fade Bolts on the enemies. Your other options were to request a lane switch that works better against him (ie. more fucking range) and hope your teammates aren't too retarded to listen. Usually against trilanes though you send one sacrificial stooge and try to win the other 2 lanes, but a lot of retards will flip their shit at the idea of a double mid.

>>14543811

Honestly this.

>>14543922

Minors don't do anything. You might as well will just go straight EE and not waste your time. It's not like you'll learn anything from those classes anyways.

>>14540949

>Explain its flaws.

Where do I begin?!

>Reborn is still buggy, unstable trash

<Still missing features from the old version

<No one plays custom games out of Twitch whores and bored Russian trolls

>Shit meta

<Nothing but Gyro, SD, OD, Tinker, Monkey King, Pang, Ashley Burch the ugly Tumblr Pixie, Shadow Shaman, Timbershit, and Antifun

<Techies are still banned and get you blacklisted by everyone including Icefrog

<Sniper and Troll Warlrod are back in the meta

>It has Ashley Burch

<Ashley "I hate video games cuz violence despite I play violent characters " Burch; Ashley "I hate gamers cuz Social Justice" Burch; Ashley "I'll suck dick for roles, but will blow the rape whistle for my career" Burch

>Dota Plus is more or less p2w

<It can't even do p2w right

>It's trying to be like LoL

>Half-assed in-game events that are poorly executed

Dota died to me after 7.00. Valve keeps shooting itself in the foot with it's ESPORZ tourneys since the Shanghai Shitshow (apparently they got into another shit show with the Philippines or some Asian shit-hole because more than half of Dota's community smokes weed, and the country is known to kill anyone tied to drugs).

>>14542529

Talent trees were in the original Dota because of WC3's mechanics. It's still a retarded system because you're not going to pick movement speed over stats or mana regen for heroes like Techies and Sniper.

If you enjoy ASSFAGGOTS, you should probably kill yourself.

>>14543833

>try way to hard with backstory

They don't try at all, they have 2 paragraphs of text that you have to put in effort to even see.

The dubs are the only true thing about your post, anon.

>>14543997

There's little or no effort put into Willow and Monkey King's stories compared to Skywrath Mage.

>>14543833

In short, go back to your amibos.

>Got a mid Huskar in my team

>Apparently his first Huskar game.

>Sucks dick hard

>He is Romanian

>This is why Dota needs region lock.

Fucking eastern europe can suck my dick. Every time there is a nigger in my team it's either eastern eu trash or muslims. I want a fucking first world server without these niggers.

Everyone bitches about the new mmr system, but honestly the old one was just as fucking pointless and stupid as the new system. People got autistic over points, but you still had people make stupid mistakes and rage quit in 5k+ games. 7-9k mmr players were just as bad and shitty as 1k players; however, retards in the community think if you're over 5k you're immune from criticism even if you're a faggot like Arteezy or Waga (reminder Waga gets cucked by his attention whore girlfriend Keo, who uses him for attention). Also, spamming a top-tier hero like a faggot doesn't make you good if you suck at everything else, or your fanboys help certain "celebs" you boost your mmr (Like what Arteezy did to hit 10k, and that guy still sucks).

>>14544949

Silly anon, blacks and muslims don't play Dota. My case was always the Russian faggot who thought he was being funny for spamming shit on his mic thinking he's gonna get Youtube or Machinima bucks for trolling a game.

we're going to play or not?

>>14540949

It didn't have anything particularly glaring back when it was a LAN party staple wc3 map, but in porting it over the tourneyfags got involved, and with the addition of matchmaking, region-unlocked china, and the cosmetics mill, shit went downhill fast.

>>14540949

attack / spell / turn animations so slow it feels like you are merely suggesting what to do rather than actually doing it. too much legacy RTS shit and not enough ARPG inspiration. yeah its important for melee vs ranged balance but there are other ways to handle it.

stupid RNG cancer like phantom assassin and chaos knight.

way too many fucking edgy demon lord designs because of the good vs evil theme of the map, and origin as a custom game contributed to by teenagers.

tons of point and click damage / CC means your only counter play options come from your ability set or inventory, downplaying mechanical skill and significantly intensifying the importance of matchups.

many matchups have the express expectation that your life will be hell and you just gotta suck it up because thats how the matchup goes. hope to god that your team got the better end of the draft, only then will your suffering have been worth it.

between long cooldowns, and high mana costs, actually using your abilities is a huge cost so all fights that arent teamfights are a game of holdem.

carry kits are dominated by steroids and / or passives, BORING.

almost nothing about ability or item interactions are consistent or intuitive, half the damn wiki page is a wall of exceptions, special cases, or explanations of ass backwards interactions, and thats assuming that none of it is bugged causing yet more odd behavior.

atleast the game has invoker thats pretty cool.

>>14545915

>too much legacy RTS shit and not enough ARPG inspiration

This is probably the most retarded thing I've read all day.

>steam

NEVER EVER

Of all the MOBA's, probably the objectively best. That said, getting banned for calling someone who's 100% a faggot a faggot is stupid, and these MOBA's love to do it.

>>14543486

Daily reminder that windranger looks way better without the "fix" because flat is justice

It's been bad since WC3.

It's completely jewish in nature from last hitting to item combos.

>>14543331

>longer queue times

as if queue times aren't absolutely fucking abhorrent as they are, I remember average normal matchmaking waiting times being 30 seconds in 2014-15, now it takes 10 minutes for any fucking game I swear to god Valve is throwing bricks under their own tracks

>>14543046

this. just pick doggo man, ignore teamfights, fight buildings instead, get BoTs and Necro 3, kill the ancient

>>14543922

Soul ring got nerfed, now costs 180 HP for 150 mana because they reworked the recipe to give like +6 regen

>>14546256

How is last hitting Jewish? It's more like Determinism honestly.

>>14546104

>That said, getting banned for calling someone who's 100% a faggot a faggot is stupid, and these MOBA's love to do it.

Never actually happens, speaking from experience.

>>14546627

>call 0/23/1 midas into rapier rushing tiny a faggot for ruining games where he doesn't get mid

>get muted for 48 hours

you lucky nigger

that said, are there any eurofags willing to carry my ass out of low priority? I abandoned like a massive faggot when I couldn't stand my feeding carry flaming the entire team for his own incompetence.

>>14545915

meme spacing

>>14546633

You must be at a shitty rank where all the soygoys who can't handle the shit talk play. I honestly never got penalized for calling people niggers and faggots and whatnot. Probably the 3rd worlders don't understand what I am saying.

I make a rule of not adding anyone from /v/, so good luck.

>>14546655

This. The Dota scene has so much shittalking that implying they're snowflakes is ridiculous. Everytime I look at twitch chat people are trying to say it instead of watching the game

>>14540949

It uses psychology in its matchmaking to keep you playing again and again then one day you realize you've done nothing but played this for the past few years.

>>14546655 (checked)

well, I just started after like 2-3 years, so my actual MMR and my pseudo MMR are both dumpster tier right now

Dota itself is fine. The people playing it are by and large, are fucking cunts, but that apllies to any competitive game. However that really hurts Dota due to the game requiring a large amount of teamwork as well as individual performance from every member of the team. That said it's probably the only current "esport" aside from Counter Strike and fightan games that has any sort of actual scene outside of company held events.

>>14546374

The only "good" thing I can say about League is that it has a lower barrier entry due to not having all the weird WC3 quirks left over in Dota. Although one could argue is said quirks are what make Dota itself so unique.

>>14547285

>Penny Arcade

Don't conflate Penny Arcade with Extra Credits. Extra Credits went full retard so much that PA shut down PATV in it's entirety.

>>14547285

Learn to read faggot

>>14547285

>webm

why is it so hard to press a mute button?

even at the end: he end up saying "the pwoer should be in our hand"

then why the fuck would he ask for an AUTOmute system ?

>>14547315

>Don't conflate Penny Arcade with Extra Credits

Took them way to long to separate from them, that vid was published in 2012.

It's an ASSFAGGOTS

>>14547596

you're fucked anon, you are going to low priority

>>14547796

I already am in low prio. Now you know what's funny? Valves way of punishing griefers is to force them to play with muslims. What a shitty race.

>>14540949

>Why is this game derided so much?

Because there's nothing good to say about it.

>>14547839

Iranians are pretty fucking secular, dude. Also he's just swearing at his team, like everyone. His build's pretty bad though, but then again feeders get kicked to low pio all the time.

All this MMR shittery reminds me btw:

>>14540949

Valve wants your fucking phone number for ranked play and they limit chat access unless you bought shit on your steam wallet. They also make you pay for opportunities to reset your MMR, iirc.

>>14547923

Your MMR gets reset bi-yearly now. Phone number and steam wallet crap is still shitty though.

>>14547839

>everything in that screenshot

I hate that game so fucking much.

>>14548005

It's because dogs are white mans best friend and a testament of his superiority to the subhumans simply because of the act of taking a wild beast that preyed upon him and then taming it to serve him. Also dogs hate niggers, gypsies and other subhumans on a primal level and it can never be erased.

It is a MOBA, and is therefore automatically shit.

>>14546633

I was abandoning when I wanted a new game to practice instead of waiting 30 minutes for the whatever ending. The first round of low priority was a joke. The second, I must have pissed off a valve employee when I refused to even select a hero with them. I was sentenced to 8 games and 90% supports. It ended up taking around 18 games for me to roll heroes I could solo carry with or a decent player on something supportable. It also seems to decrease on a timer so I had 5 wins total in those 18 games.

That hell taught me more about DotA than anything I'd have learned in ranked. I learned everything by being unable to do anything on shit heroes, failing to play to perfection with what I was given, or raping kids when they gave me mid viper. I can't believe how shit people are at mid and how handicapped I'd been when dual laning as carry. Having a good hero in the mid lane was like playing against easy bots. Splitting xp in the sidelanes is for cucks.

It's a game in which everyone is expected to spend 30 minutes, most frequently 45 or more, on a game in which they could easily lose just because one guy was retarded, or an extremely asshurt Chink/BR/Vodkanigger that intentionally feeds when he doesn't get mid lane or something. These people exist and continue to exist despite any of Valve's efforts because all you have to do is make a new account to play their free game. I'd say easily over half of the population who played "normal Dota" is now playing the custom mods because they're just tired of dealing with that shit and I don't blame them, which has made the crowd who plays "normal Dota" even more insular and obnoxious even in unranked casual games.

>>14548005

>that pic

Huh, another Iranian.

>Same, it's not even that low mmr wise. I calibrated at 1.300mmr and managed to get all the way up to 3.5k. People in 1k use to build shit like that. No idea why I keep seeing assholes like that in 3k

Been as low as 1.300 mmr and as high as 4k+ iirc. Retards at every tier, although the lower tiers are somehow still stupider than the higher ones.

>I calibrated at 1.300mmr

Yeah, made that mistake once. Turns out Valve has a special formula it likes to use when it's calibrating your MMR. Back when I calibrated (before Valve demanded your fucking phone) I made the mistake of assuming calibration worked like regular mmr matches and it was all win-loss, so I played a lot of pushstrat, split pushing, and that stuff they call "rat dota" these days. Died loads, had like zero kills, got a lot of towers and rax, and won games. Unfortunately apparently I was being scored based on my kda, the amount of damage I dealt to enemies, the amount of heals I gave friendlies, and the number of wards I bought and shit. Suffice it to say it was like every calibration match my calibrated MMR dropped by like 200-300 points because I look like turbofeeder worthless trash to the algorithm even though I was winning games. Ended up calibrated sub-2k. If you ever calibrate, go study what the calibration formula is and game it, like a lot of high MMR shitters did. IIRC Zeus globals were a good way to increase your MMR ranking by doing tons of hero damage and kill-stealing.

>Also, no point in censoring his name. Fucking hate these niggers… What is up with third world people hating dogs? It's only ever asian's or muslims who use dog as an insult. Fucking niggers are so low life they feel the need to insult dogs to feel better about themselves.

Bitch, what the hell are you on about?

>>14548184

Play every hero and random loads, nigger. Wait. That reminds me:

>>14540949

DotA 2 completely fucked the random pick option. No one plays All Random anymore.

>>14548237

It isn't as big an issue for me specifically as other people, but it's pretty much the reason why everyone acts like such a massive cunt. Most people tend to get pretty upset about it due to the length of time involved.

While I'm talking about the community, the game involves a ridiculous amount of coordination just to do basic shit like use your abilities in the right order, which is almost impossible unless you are playing ranked where people use mics (and even then only sometimes). The coordination honestly gets to the point where it's exhausting unless you play with the same group of people over and over, and then you have to get matched against other 5 stacks. This is much more involved than say, Counter-Strike, where you can choose to jump in a server and play a few rounds and then jump out without any penalties or Valve shoving their dick up your ass because you "abandoned."

>>14548291

It's not just a problem on American servers. It's also a massive problem in Euro servers, specifically with Russians, because the ping is decent for them there. They really do need region locking in this game. It's shocking how differently players from other countries behave and it's unpalatable to almost everyone else.

>>14548403

>He doesn't know

Asians and Arabs didn't really domesticate dogs, they have no respect for them and see them as nothing but stray pests that carry disease. It's a disgusting facet of their culture. Just look at China.

>>14548579

>without any penalties or Valve shoving their dick up your ass because you "abandoned."

>defending leaver scum

You want to ruin entire matches by pussying out you can go back to battle.net nigger.

>>14548579

>This is much more involved than say, Counter-Strike, where you can choose to jump in a server and play a few rounds and then jump out without any penalties or Valve shoving their dick up your ass because you "abandoned."

Sadly people can't just drop in and out of a DotA match like they can in other games. Also this shit happened because Warcraft 3 games had a huge problem with leavers (spurring the development of bots with banlists punishing leavers, but there's so many different bots with different banlists that it doesn't work too well). I agree games take too long though. DotA has a shitton of issues.

>>14548590

I was actually making light of the fact that "bitch" means a female dog, and it's a really, really popular insult, bitch.

>>14548144

>>14548143

Something something hivemind

>>14548590

>Asians see them as nothing but stray pests that carry disease

Mongols & Turks used to think they evolved from Wolves. The Japanese bred their own dog races. The Chinese eat dogs. All these motherfuckers seem like they like dogs very much.

>>14543650

Can confirm, that guy is me

>>14548144

>>14548143

>>14548739

that said, how good it Tony latest patch?

>exact text that was in the Fortnite thread OP

>not a template thread

>>14548612

Why should anyone be forced to endure another 60 minutes of jungle sniper just so he can farm his moonshard Daedalus and 'win' the game? He might not even stick to that plan and just run in circles delaying the game until you lose. I can fit 2 more games in that time, which is triple the learning value of that single long game.

All I do now to avoid low priority is play poorly to end the game and go next. That is a 10 to 15 minute loss to everyone, assuming they don't start reading a book or something while they wait.

>>14549653

They got rid of his craggy exterior and his aghs upgrade in favour of players being able to use an ability to tear a tree out of the fucking ground and smack people around with it. You can also throw it as well and it will deal damage.

>Why is this game derided so much?

Basically a bit of what these two said:

>>14540978

>>14541608

In short-form: it's entirely team-dependent, but most of the community aren't team players. Because it's free to play you have lots of kids, people from multiple countries, and just shitheads who don't care about winning all thrown together with players who genuinely want to try and compete. This creates a ton of friction and makes matchmaking only good for frustration and wasting time.

The second issue is that, being free to play, Valve puts the vast emphasis of their workload just being Valve and only balancing gameplay for (((esports))) tier players and only introduces new content to sell cosmetics and other bullshit.

And lastly, it's nothing special. There are dozens of MOBAs out there all with similar issues, but DOTA 2 only stands out in that the games take longer and there's more nuances in how to play. The nuances confuse newer players, and the longer match times dissuade people who don't want to waste 30-60 minutes sitting there and losing because they queued into a team with Pedro, two 12 year olds, and some drunk dude who's throwing because it's funny.

>>14542128

>no matter how far you level up and what shit you get, you start next round with nothing.

Good? This is why Dota is better than League, because everyone starts on a level playing field every game, whereas League forces you to not only pay to use characters, but also has runes and masteries which affect stats.

>>14552034

that's cool, but is it good though

>>14540949

I played it for over 3000 hours and just stop playing it in the last two years. The problem is not the game itself its a fun game if you have a full party of irl friends, the game fucking sucks if you play it alone with random players. People take it way too seriously like people who throw around golf clubs if they miss a put. Bunch of fucking Happy Gilmores who have a problem with you if they suck and will purposefully try and fuck up your put because they couldn't put earlier. Every single person thinks he knows better than you and will constantly tell you.

The biggest problem I have however it stopped being fun because of the community, they want you to do the same thing with every single character every single game. Same items, same lanes, same style of play. NO DEVIATION. NO FUN ALLOWED! YOU MUST PLAY THE CURRENT META OR FUCK OFF! I hated that it was much more fun in the Beta and Dota 1 was fun because people took it seriously and sometimes just played for fun. Nobody plays Dota 2 just for fun anymore.

The micro transactions and hats is a whole different fucking story. Made over $800 and spent around $40.

>>14542518

Fuck off. There are a lot of games where you lose midgame and win lategame because they had shitty carries. Idiots who give up because "game was lost" will cost you matches for no good reason.

>>14552208

>I played it for over 3000 hours and just stop playing it in the last two years. The problem is not the game itself its a fun game if you have a full party of irl friends, the game fucking sucks if you play it alone with random players. People take it way too seriously like people who throw around golf clubs if they miss a put. Bunch of fucking Happy Gilmores who have a problem with you if they suck and will purposefully try and fuck up your put because they couldn't put earlier. Every single person thinks he knows better than you and will constantly tell you.

Honestly part of the problem is when you advise a person on a better build and explain why it's better only to have them get butthurt because your constructive suggestions were taken like a personal insult against their abilities. I could advise someone a smoother build-up or an item that would work much better for the current meta ("meta" not meaning "popular playstyle" but "the team composition, builds, and tactics happening inside your match") and have him tell me to fuck off and start flipping his shit about how I think I'm so much better than him. I did it loads anyway though because in my experience there were quite a few noobs who were willing to take directions on how to play better so if you advised them your team of scrubs would turn into a team of half-decent players, letting you carry games you would've otherwise lost.

>The biggest problem I have however it stopped being fun because of the community, they want you to do the same thing with every single character every single game. Same items, same lanes, same style of play. NO DEVIATION. NO FUN ALLOWED! YOU MUST PLAY THE CURRENT META OR FUCK OFF! I hated that it was much more fun in the Beta and Dota 1 was fun because people took it seriously and sometimes just played for fun. Nobody plays Dota 2 just for fun anymore.

I did that a ton. I always improvised unusual variations on builds and a lot of people got fucking pissed at me for daring to build outside their shit, at least until I started winning anyway. It was pretty funny. For instance, I did TP boots ember before it became the meta and I got a lot of rage for my "retarded" build. Then it became the meta and you'd sooner get raged at for not following the build. You can totally do shit like Carry Dazzle, Rat Disruptor (Glimpse OP, maybe just go TP boots + Necronomicon 3 + Helm of the Dominator (dominate catapults if you can) + Blight Stone + Deso + Assault Cuirass), Support Sven (Grab Aghs + Vlad + AC, and do this when you have a Tiny on your team) etc. Mjollnir is typically a better item when your team has an Axe (buff him, watch what happens). You can also build Ethereal Blade on Drow Ranger, Mirana, Riki, Luna, Venge, Medusa, or Anti-Mage. People really underestimate the raw stats and the power of making an enemy carry ethereal for 3 seconds while you kill his teammates, saving an ally from autoattacks, slowing someone you're chasing, or just the free laserbeam nuke. On a strange note Ethereal Blade builds can transition into Dagon builds too.

The Dagon meme is still effective. Dagon 5 might be retarded, but a Dagon 1 can allow for some stupid ganking potential no on expects.

>The micro transactions and hats is a whole different fucking story. Made over $800 and spent around $40.

They killed the entire market, from what I heard.

Funnily enough, this thread is making me curious to try the game out again, except I still don't want to give 'em my fucking phone number or dosh. I might load up the old virtual machine and re-install that Steam cancer on it with a new account. The only thing valve should be able to spy off of me would be my VM specs and IP address anyhow. Then again I'm pretty sure I'm only in for disappointment in how much worse DotA has gotten, plus I can't random anymore. Valve seems to want everyone to have a safe earlygame and farm for late.

>>14552104

I'd say he is better now.

Match ID 3802973143

Just had my first match in a while and I had fun

>>14552855

>Honestly part of the problem is when you advise a person on a better build and explain why it's better only to have them get butthurt because your constructive suggestions were taken like a personal insult against their abilities.

>Hey buddy, why are you going with that build?

<I just want to try something.

>Cool what do you have in mind?

<Explains his plan

>Oh wouldn't it be better if you try this?

<Yeah probably but I want to try it anyway

I am fine with this even if we lose the game and its still fun, most games however go like this

>Hey buddy why are you going with that build?

<Just STFU

<Look at your lane

<Holy shit what the fuck are you even trying

<Go play LoL

or

>Nobody talks the entire game, no coordination then after the game it was a four player party and you get 4 reports

>>14546374

If you want to know the merits of LoL: Summoner spells, Masteries, Runepages, and Brush. But they're all a tad underpowered. And DotA doesn't really need brush when you can chop trees for ganks no one was expecting. The power of treecutting and positioning in DotA is really underrated. So many fucking morons whose idea of ganking is to run up the lane rather than surprise cornering someone from behind out of the trees or whatever.

>>14552961

I've been hearing something about reports getting worse these days.

>>14552961

>then after the game it was a four player party and you get 4 reports

You do have an option to enable strictly solo matchmaking now

>>14553072

>>14553103

Like I said I haven't played it in two years +- but invested a shit ton of time in it. I regret that time wasted though.

>>14543650

Can confirm. When i used to play with the group of friends I no longer talk to, they would all take it so seriously. I understand getting competitive, but it's just a fucking game man, and not a really good one either.

>>14552855

>Funnily enough, this thread is making me curious to try the game out again, except I still don't want to give 'em my fucking phone number or dosh. I might load up the old virtual machine and re-install that Steam cancer on it with a new account.

don't. It's just underage russians and shitskins screaming in all chat whenever the game stops going the exact scenario they have played out in their fucking heads, unless you're playing in a party of 5

>To help with the downtime, we've just released an update that will temporarily allow limited matchmaking with no database backend.

>This means that MMR won't be used or updated and no cosmetics will be equippable.

How sexy is this? Dota without cosmetics and Valve's bullshit.

I like 10v10.

>No proper matchmaking

>Gather up a party and shitstomp 2k mmr (archon/crusader) tards

>Stupid shit

>Losses/Wins don't count, no pressure

>Nobody complains that you're doing a shit build

>Memes

>>14553625

I played with an underage sounding kid the other day, he was playing Rubick and being the best support I had in my team in a long time, and at the same time he was playing captain role making calls and shit. He was also polite. I was pleasantly surprised.

>>14543331

You must be in the bottom 10% of the playerbase if you're getting teams like that.

To solve the problem, if you're actually good, play mid if you can, it's the position with the highest impact on the game if you're a good player and your team's shit.

As for why that's a bad idea, it misses so many intricacies with team composition. It's not as cookie cutter as league. Your pos 4 could be in safelane instead of roaming, your pos 5 could be in the offlane instead of the safelane, your pos 3/4 could jungle, and in a few rare cases, 2 people mid can be a thing (with io).

>>14557712

I remember being really bad at the game, in what would be considered crusader/archon. It certainly was hell, but the way I got out of there was simply spamming 1 hero I was good at.

>>14557752

I got Legendary 4 rank this weekend, how bad is it?

>>14557756

I'm legend 5 myself, but according to opendota you're in the 89th percentile. That's not bad if you're a hardcore player, but excellent if you're a filthy casual.

Personally I think that legend rank is quite inconsistent in terms of skill, it's best played with friends of similar skill level which is what I do these days when I'm actually playing normal dota and not 10v10.

>>14557762

>excellent if you're a filthy casual

Excelent, considering I was drunk for all the 10 games I played for it.

I've been playing a while with my buddy. He was sick of playing solo and wanted a partner so I started playing once a day or so with him. He's a lot better than me. He's an Ancient 4 and I'm an Archon 2. Since I only play Ranked exclusively with him the gap in rank never closes and I'm always in way over my head whenever we play together. I'm usually the lowest rank, by a lot.

My major problem with the game is that it's very difficult to play from behind. It feels like to me that if two of the three lanes collapse then you are fucked no matter what you do. Once they have control over your jungle the game is effectively over. Those are the worst games by far for me, where you just sit in base waiting for them to end or overextend. It doesn't help that since I'm the lowest player in the team I usually get blamed for everything going wrong, even if I've played pretty decently.

That said, on the extremely rare occaisions that I've queued solo, I've done really well. I feel like I play above my rank, if I recalibrated I think I would be around a Legend 0

>>14557752

This works too. Spamming one hero gives you a much higher effective mmr.

>>14557842

At that point, since you've already fucked up, for you to win they need to fuck up. You can facilitate this by getting picks through smoke ganks, or defending high ground until they make a mistake and lose a teamfight.

>>14552855

Oh yeah, I used to do Necronomicon Slardar with Treads, Blink Dagger, Armlet, Vlad, Assault Cuirass.

>>14556257

I think DotA is losing people because started demanding phone numbers, steam wallet payments, and removed shit like randoming while making shit less fun. Even if the players stick around out of habit after that, it's a lot easier for them to switch over to something better.

>>14557678

>10v10

That's where you play shit like Zeus, Nature's Prophet, Spectre, Bounty Hunter (the gpm from Track is nuts in 10v10), Ancient Apparition, Drow Ranger (stack agi, enjoy high damage team), Troll Warlord (global attack speed ult), Crystal Maiden (global mana aura is win), Tinker (gets aghs for more rockets), etc.

That said 10v10 gets kinda dumb. Tbh I kinda miss HoN's more varied maps, but HoN had to go full retard and chase the LoL business model, shooting themselves in the foot. They should have kept it as a $30 game and made good on their promise to make custom maps possible instead of going LoL route and freaking out over custom maps making cosmetics irrelevant or shit. Vid related. This is a HoN custom map that was never completed because S2 games fucked over the custom map scene hard.

>>14557842

I have no idea wtf this ancient archon legendary shit is. New valve crap?

>>14557899

>I have no idea wtf this ancient archon legendary shit is. New valve crap?

Valve recently reworked MMR. Instead of just having a number being your ranking, you sit in a tier, much like LoL/HotS. Ancient is the highest tier. It is literally just a name change, the matchmaking still works the same.

>>14557910

>instead of just having a number being your ranking

Important part here being "instead of just", you can still see your own MMR privately, same as before, but others can't see it unless you choose to show it on your profile.

To me this more seems like a move to both push other features of theirs (dota plus comparing stats based on MMR tiers looks nicer UI-wise than comparing stats based on ranges of numbers), and to fix some outliers like people with 12k mmr.

>>14557910

Meh, idgaf. Honestly DotA's not worth the trouble. The MMR is always a crapshoot and Valve never improves anything. If anything it seems to get worse with every patch.

>/v/ is openly defending MOBAshit now

Even cuckchan has better taste holy shit

>>14558086

>defending

>>14558149

Dota 1 was the game that started the MOBA genre you fucking retard.

>>14558156

>MOBA genre

please lurk more

>>14558086

>defending

Not really. Everyone agrees DotA really isn't getting any better. It's just that for better or worse (mostly worse) a number of us have experience with it.

>>14558156

Wrong as fuck. Aeon of Strife was there before DotA, which is why the genre is originally called AoS (Aeon of Strife). Aeon of Strife wasn't the first of its kind either though. Also don't call the genre MOBA. Multiplayer Online Battle Arena sounds like something that would describe Quake 3 Arena or Unreal Tournament. The reason we call the genre ASSFAGGOTS on /v/ is because it's actually the most descriptive acronym for the genre so far: Aeon of Strife Style Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides.

>>14557625

I want to snap this guys neck that disgusting belly, balding in his 20s, glasses everything in this video just made me rage. Im trying so hard to train and this fat shit who plays dota all day just dare to make videos or streams with his disgusting face and body. Im preplexed how those people works is it self denial which makes them continue this kind of lifestyle with ending that will make them suffer or is this ignorance thinking life will get better by time? I really dont know but if i had chance to meet this guy on streets i would simply beat him to near death just to prove my point he is fat shit weak slob. If this country would be meritrocracy i would be dragging this kind of shits on streets and waterhosing them until they freeze to death.

>>14558172

That's like a fucked up kind of envy you got there that you want to beat him up for making a decent living while living like a lazy slob. Why the fuck are you comparing your life to his anyway? Why are you acting like it's your problem? He's got nothing to do with you and you shouldn't be acting so personally offended that someone like him exists. Focus more on your own life and happiness and not on other people's.

>>14558233

I have to compare my life to his because i was like him. It's very easy to lose weight once you get grasp of basic concepts. It's very easy to gain pretty body it makes me mad because he doesnt even try to comprenhend this concept. Right now we as race are in very deep problems we might not survive and this guy there is just sitting there boasting about his dota 2 kills while dancing with this fat disgusting body. I am indeed very afraid of future of mine and our race and what happend to South Africa i cannot sit idly and watch this havoc. I am very very mad at betas that they let this happen i am mad becasue those weak cuckboys are streaming on twitch and those left leaning parasites are getting more and more power. All the big platforms like youtube, twitch, twitter, facebook are disgusting it makes me sick anyone could EVER go there and support those traitors. Every day i grow more and more genocidal anyone who mentions any left policy is in my eyes a worthless trash that needs to hang. I am simply unable to continue as a normal working human in this society when everything you see are fat beta cuckolds who support their own deaths. I am sick and tired and i will not let those fuckboys take any more breaths in their worthless life.

>>14558261

Sorry man, but you need therapy. I'm not shitting you. You have issues and you need someone there to talk them out with and let go of your frustrations. It's fine to have an issue on an intellectual level, but on an emotional level it's no good. You're taking this /pol/ shit (soyboy and crap) too far if you are getting offended that there are people like that existing.

Also there's always gamergate >>14550446 >>>/gamergatehq/ if you want to do something about the shit in the gaming community. But honestly, a lot of people supporting this cancer are just normalfags who don't know any better and in their own way they're happier for it. I agree a lot of cancer needs to end but you need constructive solutions for that. Getting angry and butthurt and closer to flipping out is not a winning attitude in life. And if you care about being an "alpha" (which is fine until you take it to excess), you should know that it's a hallmark of alphas to not let shit get under their skin. They just take life in stride and make their own decisions based on what they want out of it.

>>14541740

But Dota 2 has already been casualized. It's worse than it's ever been and Valve is never gonna make it fun again.

>>14558868

I think it's Valve's recent stuff that fucks shit up, their original games were pretty okay. Left 4 Dead 2 and 1 for example are VERY cruel games. You have to dig like 200 hours into the game and you are still only mediocre in VS mode. Valve can make hard games if they want to, but for some reason they don't make hard games anymore. I think Valve hired some really big retards, the "every game needs a noob weapon, otherwise it will fail" kind of devs who casualize games thinking it will help them grow.

>>14558868

>casualized

Are you just throwing that word out there, or can you show me casuals beating pros with only 200 hours of playtime?

'Only' 200, I say…

>>14559112

>Are you just throwing that word out there

game is being made easier so newbies can get into the game. Dota today is easier than it was a few years ago.

>>14559120

Given just what imageboard we're on, I can't fault you for not caring if you like this game. But if a game needs a few hundred hours to begin to play at a casual level…it's objectively flawed as fuck. So long as it's done without lowering the skill ceiling, I have zero complaints.

>>14559139

>it's objectively flawed as fuck.

I disagree there, these kind of games are the best kind of games out there.

>>14559204

I don't know why retards hate blink so much. I assume because it's harder to farm? It's the perfect item on Axe, Slardar, Sven and many other heroes like old Tiny. The moment you get it your hero starts snowballing out of control. Hell, before pike got added I even bought it on heroes like sniper and drow.

>>14559068

>they don't make hard games anymore

They don't make games, period.

>>14559216

Retards hate it because it gives you no stats and costs 2250 gold. Pub players hated it even more when it cost mana to use.

>>14559216

This, movement > blade mail.

>>14559406

> Dota fails hard at the introductory level.

That's because DotA is not designed to be a traditional video game. It started out relatively simple and it just grew to what it is, mainly due to how good the players were getting at exploiting every advantage they could discover.

>>14559223

>Old SK

I really miss the bonerlord. It was around when he got changed that I feel the game really started going rapidly downhill. That was the beginning of the chink pandering.

>>14559529

You are the one talking about steep learning curves and how that`s bad, the fact that you put so much weight on skill can only mean you started this game late and believed the competitive game meme valve shoved on your throat.

>>14559553

quake

And you really need to define "casual" you faggot. The tame it take to be on other's level is so great because everyone has been playing for so long. Its all you compared to others. You are crying that people are better than you right now. If people autistacaly spend 1000 hours playing a game thats your issue.

>>14559553

You need 1000 hours to get decent on EVERY aspect of the game, we talking about every role, juking, cs, builds, jungle, rune control, timing, playing with all heroes and have a reasonable understanding of the game, doesn`t take nearly as long to pick a secondary role and perform decently with a small pool of heroes.

Its held onto a lot of archaic gameplay elements that were a result of it being an RTS mod. I won't anger the diehards and suggest anything be changed, I just think that anyone looking to get into an AoS-like at this point would likely be better served in LoL. I like neither, for the record. Or any hybrid form of it, either.

>>14559590

>You are crying that people are better than you right now

Stop. Before we can go further, I need you to tell me where I say my personal enjoyment is affected by this aspect of the game.

>>14559599

Decent at a casual level, mind, not necessarily 6k or even 4k tier decent. But you didn't answer my question, and I wasn't being facetious

>>14560035

>making a stretched assumption just to try an feel better for being dismissed

Cancer 2

run around in one map for hours and achieve nothing as everything gets reset every match

Theres is no progression and there is no world building

Show just how soulless online games can be

>>14542629

What are "assfaggots"?

>>14560075

>someone's stated premise from the first post is a 'stretched assumption'

>>14560061

A fair point, and I wholly agree that learning the game is part of the fun. I just think there are examples of separating the casuals from the pros better. RTS games with campaign modes, for instance, do a good job of letting you experiment with things before diving into multiplayer.

Only thing I disagree with is your conclusion: once I understood the game in full, I started really enjoying it. Now not even the shittiest of teammates make it stressful for me.

>>14560061

>image for ants

Fix your shit, dumbfuck.

>>14560135

See: >>14558161

>>14560143

DotA 2 has a campaign mode too, but it's an abomination. The learning curve on that game is a serious fucking mess and players with over 2K hours still make plenty of dumbfuck mistakes. Valve never made a proper tutorial for DotA for some dumb reason.

>>14540949

Massive learning curve to be even remotely competent and no tutorial, resulting in tons of bads learning on the fly by wrecking matches and learning bad habits to boot, along with many becoming risk-averse and slavishly following build games. Probably one of the major causes of the awful community DotA enjoys.

>>14541680

>Grin and bear the bad shit, keep a positive mental attitude and you might rack up enough commends to get mostly non-cancerous teammates

>New to DOTA2

>Play

>Don't bitch when inevitable loss occurs

>4 teammates report me because I'm not ultra-carrying as a support while shitting out wards from my asshole that deal AOE massive damage to the enemy and revealing the map while allowing my character's sweat to act as a clarity and tangos at the same time.

>Still put in shit MM

k

>>14540949

>Gameplay derivative of RTS with no base building, real resource management, macro skills, very little micro, tech trees, etc

>Gameplay derivative of ARPG's (like Diablo) but with character growth strict and measured, less overall skills, more rigid builds and none of the RNG and horde smashing

>Gameplay about positioning, combos, timing, but none of the nuance of fighting games

>Gameplay that rewards getting ahead by putting you further ahead making it harder for the other team to come back…

>…unless they fucked up come back mechanics again

>Otherwise only chance to come back is pulling off a really good fight or an unexpected play, but sometimes that won't do it either

>Large number of point+click skills and heroes who's primary form of damage is right+click

>Fundamentally the same game its been for 15 years, even if the nuance changed

>Mandatory 0-farm support role ward-bitches

>If you don't know the specific method in which to play everyone playing will hate you

>Game can be over at 15 minutes but you'll still play for 45

That's without picking on specific heroes, but wait, there's more!

>>14560167

>slavishly following build games

I meant "slavishly following build guides."

>>14560167

>Probably one of the major causes of the awful community DotA enjoys.

You mean people having to answer a 100 question quiz to not be banned/blacklisted/kicked from rooms in War3 to play classic DOTA, and by the time they got the 'permissions' to play they still haven't played the fucking game yet? lol

>>14560252

>Deep Reef underwater map skin

>over 10 dollars for a fucking map skin

I don't think so, Valve.

>>14543811

>>14541411

>assfaggot

>>14541608

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14541702

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14541740

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14542135

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14542149

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14542629

>assfaggot

>>14543208

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14543650

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14543978

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14547430

>ASSFAGGOT

>>14558168

>ASSFAGGOT

Imagine Super Smash Bros. But instead, you can only jab and your specials are restricted to a cooldown timer. And you're always forced into a team fight with people you don't know and you can only play on 1 stage. None of it seems to be skill based, but rather how effectively everyone seems to be on the same page.

And as for why ASSFAGGOTS are popular, it's because of bloodlust. You get one player kill and you start to crave more.

beump

>>14562486

Bump limit's at 300 posts newfriend

>>14561850

This

>>14562687

Thanks for the (you) friend. That is all I wanted.