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File: 3330750a753cafd⋯.jpg (106.02 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, poor bastard.jpg)

9072f9 No.14520904

>Bawww, my girlfriend's dead. Now I want to exterminate all of humanity.

Is this a good or bad motivation for a super antagonist to do what they are doing, in your opinion?

e9543c No.14520932

File: a75d8e25d7d8d56⋯.mp4 (1.6 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS V….mp4)

It's a realistic motivation since I'm betting there's numerous Anons here who will unironically go nuclear on the world, but there's one thing holding them back.


5ce642 No.14520942

If the rest of his character supports his actions then sure.


026d8a No.14520953

>>14520942

Jin is basically that kid who says "No, I secretely had the power of absolute zero cold so your super power doesn't work" in recess. He is an absolute edgy jackass who ruins everything for the entire duration of the game, then suddenly the game decides to prop up one character as the true villain just because he killed Jin's girlfriend in the past. It instantly turns jin into a white as the driven snow dindu nuffin, and when he dies, one character genuinely says

<You were such a beautiful soul, Jin

It's not Takahashi's greatest moment to say the least.


5ce642 No.14520960

>>14520953

Then in this case probably not a good motivation. What matters isn't the specific thing motivating a character but what their whole personality is like: would someone with those character traits realistically react like that in a given situation? That's my take anyway.


6a955e No.14520969

File: 2fdce95f9c6fd4a⋯.png (480.69 KB, 794x560, 397:280, dai.png)

>it's another "unironic edgy emo faggot turns evil(er) because his eternally patient mary sue waifu died at some point in the past" backstory


96581c No.14520980

Jin is such an edgelord because he lost his gf in a war so he thought the best way to ease the pain of loss is to kill everyone on the planet. The worst part is at near the end of the game, the game makes you to feel sorry for him when he has clearly helped Malos to commit mass genocide

>You where such a beautiful soul, Jin

Gramps are you that fucking retarded?


af226c No.14520986

>>14520904

Depends on the presentation and context really. For example Count Bleck in SPM had that exact motivation but there was enough background information and nuance to relate to him and it was not so much destroy all worlds forever as remake the universe in a way that would make it less shitty. And he even proves that he was not bullshitting about it either in the end when he sacrifices himself to stop the actual end of the world from hapenning once Dimentio backstabs him.


026d8a No.14520987

>>14520969

To be fair he's also very salty about Blades losing all their memories on reincarnation, which is a major plot point. But his girlfriend's death is definitely the keystone of his edgyness. The problem is that it doesn't excuse him fucking the world up as he did, but the game absolutely assumes the player forgave him instantly upon learning his backstory.


733d9c No.14520988

In a real world scenario, I could see it work. Even then, it's pretty done to death at this point.

>Asscreed II

<Main character's family gets executed by antagonists, he vows to fight against them to get revenge

>Watch Dogs

<Main character's niece gets murdered by unnamed assailants, he vows to fight against them to get revenge

>Final Fantasy VII

<Main antagonist's "mother" is revealed to have been an ancient alien life form that bore the fruit of various and questionable experiments, he vows to uncover evidence of the truth, goes completely batshit insane in the process, and tries to blow up the planet in order to get revenge

I guess Sephiroth has a bit of nuance, you can say he's angry also because of insecurity that arose out of his questionable "birth" into the world.

>Batman

>Spider Man

etc. etc.

They're not all exactly the same, but it's some variation on, "My loved one has been hurt or killed, and I must get revenge for this transgression"


6a955e No.14521001

File: 5f570550ebb3bf8⋯.png (70.44 KB, 380x520, 19:26, nell.png)

>>14520988

A reminder that Sephiroth canonically dies in Cloud's backstory, and it's always been Jenova the entire time. Anything else is just Nomura jerking himself off and Square Enix pandering to Crisis Core fags.


5abdc7 No.14521007

File: 3cb6ada0c02c452⋯.mp4 (384.39 KB, 640x480, 4:3, That's the gayest shit I e….mp4)

>muh gf died, so I'm going to kill everyone unrelated to her death

>not avenging her death

>not going through heaven and hell to find a way to bring her back


026d8a No.14521020

>>14521007

He keeps her frozen in some big icicle and seeks to meet what is essentially god, but to kill him, not to ask him to revive her. Basically nothing ever comes of her being preserved. So yes, pretty gay.


5abdc7 No.14521032

File: 95acf30a06e15b6⋯.png (1.73 MB, 1500x1114, 750:557, Picture1.png)

>>14521020

>but to kill him, not to ask him to revive her

What the fuck does he want to do with god then?

Just have that little "why did she have to die" moment?


390658 No.14521033

>>14520904

>Bawww, my liquor store got robbed. Now I want to exterminate all niggers

Seems pretty reasonable to me.


5abdc7 No.14521116

>>14521032

>tfw just now noticed the water mark

That's what I get for saving from thumbnails.


9072f9 No.14521225

>>14521033

Well nigshits need to be exterminated on principle anyway. They are a cursed "people" who never should have been allowed.


ff988f No.14521469

>>14520969

This.

Protecting disposable objects such as women is already stupid enough in real life.

It is even more stupid when put into fiction.

Soy fueled authors that want to fulfill their white knight fetishes are the worst.

>>14521225

Also, his.

Niggers must be killed for even existing at all.


6a955e No.14521479


520940 No.14521503

>>14520904

Depends on what you mean by good and bad. I could believe that a guy could be broken in the head enough to try to kill everyone just 'cuz his lover died, but it's not a sympathetic or reasonable motivation. It's a valid motive in the mind of a crazy person.

From the sound of it though, the story does not admit this.


08be96 No.14521590

>>14520904

Okay firstly you retard that's not it, he's lying to you, not only to you though but to himself, after his driver dies he dies inside, he becomes a nihilist and decides to just waste away in the gutter, then Malos comes around and he shares his dream, but even then he doesn't really believe in that dream, he believes in Malos himself.


bcc4c6 No.14521593

>>14520904

Depends on how it's handled. I thought 9S doing that was fantastic, but in the wrong hands it's cliched


768900 No.14521598

>>14521469

>Protecting disposable objects such as women is already stupid enough in real life.

This. The only thing a man should work to save is another man. Only two men can have a connection with each other that actually means something, unlike those walking vaginas known as women.


b4644d No.14521599

File: 6f6844f60f8f47b⋯.jpg (130.21 KB, 832x690, 416:345, 6f6844f60f8f47b94cbd39affe….jpg)

>>14520932

What if I ironically go nuclear on the world?


5dcd7b No.14521632

File: 69d0f2b81fa796e⋯.jpg (49.54 KB, 498x497, 498:497, 1445239582.jpg)

>>14521599

Ironic genocide is still genocide.


62cb7e No.14521682

>>14521632

more like 'suicide'


e9758d No.14521689

>>14521593

The watchers simply broke 9Ss mind, doesnt help he got the red eye disease at the end


e558ef No.14521733

>>14521032

>>14521116

Nice brazillian meme.


fa6762 No.14522099

>>14521682

I'll Sui your Cide

nerd


9ab050 No.14522105

>>14521599

you go to japan


f21a9d No.14522136

>>14520904

>not wanting to exterminate all of humanity


9ab050 No.14522140

>>14522136

jews first, please


2a7ec2 No.14522156

File: 371ffb7836487fe⋯.png (243.77 KB, 468x468, 1:1, Malos_Portrait.png)

File: b37d8a7c27e7841⋯.png (387.31 KB, 469x469, 1:1, Jin_Portrait.png)

File: 6a4c36160c0bba3⋯.png (422.98 KB, 595x595, 1:1, blue elf pope.png)

"DARKNESS"

"NINGEN"

"NOTHINGNESS"


16657e No.14522243

>>14521007

>go to an uncharted planet to bring her back

>spend decades of your life to bring her back, uncovering all sorts of ancient ruins, making friends with aliens and taming a wild giant beast who eventually gives up its life to save you

>you finally can bring her back, but you are given a choice

>eternally live young with your wife in a world where only you and her and a life free of any hardships

>or spend the rest of your years with a bunch of super ancient intelligent aliens who want some friends

The Way was some neat shit.


5ea338 No.14522254

>>14522140

>reptiles

>human

What? Next you'll tell me monkeys and bug people are included too.


630e0c No.14522287

File: ee579a1c5b713e6⋯.jpg (134.5 KB, 850x1202, 425:601, 72825.jpg)

>>14520904

>*looks back In anger *


ff988f No.14522299

>>14521598

Exactly.

>>14521479

Reported for being a leftist.

Niggers must be genocided.


a47e59 No.14522382

>>14522299

Tripdubs confirm


b1d71a No.14523628

>>14520904

>Is this a good or bad motivation

Sounds like some childish anime rubbish.


045b89 No.14523634

Do you have any idea how many guys snap and go on a murdering spree just because they lost their favorite slit.

This is probably the most believable motivation in the history of fiction, if reality is any indication.


462d04 No.14523646

>>14522287

On a semi-reverse-upside-down-backwards-related note, I finally got around to watching Neon Genesis Evangelion. I gotta say, I liked the animation and the artistic direction, but I think it's really overrated. The 'symbolism' isn't that deep and it seems to draw mostly from Christian theology on a surface level - unless I missed something truly profound.

Also, I hate every single character except Shinji and that class president. She's probably the best girl. Who else?

>German bitch with mommy issues

>Soulless doll

>Whore

>Whore catlady


6e187a No.14523650

>>14522254

Scaly kike detected.


822493 No.14523695

>>14520932

This. Although not ALL of humanity. But if my wife were killed by rapefugees I'd bathe half the world in nuclear hellfire if given the codes to do so.


0b3414 No.14523709


273aea No.14523755

>>14523646

All the "symbolism" is just there to be cool. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.


9072f9 No.14523840

File: 34dd67e8d7893a6⋯.jpg (130.73 KB, 650x861, 650:861, father.jpg)

>>14520988

Sephiroth didn't take Professor Gast's death well. He was like a "cool uncle" to him.


1fad47 No.14523910

File: da4b40cd0287701⋯.webm (11.35 MB, 480x360, 4:3, The Carronade.webm)

File: 1314d898c5c2ba2⋯.jpg (123.16 KB, 540x800, 27:40, 723b39723337c03eb420fb8c8b….jpg)

File: 898446b38e92292⋯.jpg (372.71 KB, 1042x1583, 1042:1583, 026.jpg)

File: 375bf5edb13e025⋯.jpg (252.7 KB, 1059x1580, 1059:1580, 027.jpg)

>>14520904

Absolutely.

>be Fou-lu

>be summoned into strange world; incomplete summoning, be at half power

>decide to acquiesce to the summoners requests anyhow

>conquer half the world; create great magical teleports which unite the world and in general be a God Emperor

>due to half-power, lose power and forced to go to slumber; await till other half arrives in the future so that you can fuse and become whole

>pass the throne to servant to keep shit in order, leave trusted guardian dogs to watch over capital and your tomb in your absence

>awaken hundreds of years later; no one is there to greet you as you exit your tomb

>"Fuck it. I'll just walk to the capital."

>a general shows up, knows about your elemental weakness, sent to kill you; the "Emperor" doesn't want to hand back the throne

>fight your way through, wounded; fight several times but due to weakened powers and elemental weakness exploitation keep getting fucked over

>finally wash up in tiny village

>local woman heals you up; an innocent woman who asks for nothing in return, simply a kind soul

>the general comes knocking, she tells you to run while she distracts them

>leave

>the general takes her captive and knowing her connection to you decide to use her in the Carronade

>Carronade is magical nuke, places a Hex on the area which essentially kills fucking everything and ruins everything for centuries

>the more negative emotions the sacrifice used in the Carronade has and the closer they were to the target, the more powerful the Hex fired will be

>get shot with Carronade

>realize just how despicable, greedy and petty humanity is

>go to capital and slaughter absolutely everything in your way

>wait for your other half to judge the fate of the world

Infini end where you join Fou-lu and destroy the world is the only acceptable ending.


571c2f No.14523948

>>14520988

Sephiroth isn't just insecure about it. He snaps because he learns an incomplete version of history, and believes that Jenova was both an ancient and his literal mother, and that modern humans genocided his people. It makes sense for him to want revenge on them.

>>14521001

Then who do you fight in the lifestream after you kill Jenova Rebirth and Safer Sephiroth?


fc1441 No.14524001

File: f6c2b5c4404542a⋯.png (63.81 KB, 240x200, 6:5, filled.png)

>Bawww, my girlfriend's dead. Now I want all of humanity to be my girlfriend.

Is this better?


cdf284 No.14524035

>>14524001

Sounds like it'd be a fun h-game.


483fe8 No.14524051

>>14520904

No, it's just as cucked as dying for a girl. Just get your revenge and move on.


765c61 No.14524080

>>14520904

Why would you need a reason to want to exterminate humanity?


176023 No.14524130

>>14522099

Sui Generis is a good game.


769029 No.14524131

I thought malos corrupted him like he did the pope nigger elf. I mean before he met Jin, Jin was going full hobo living in a dirty blanket on the street.


4da20a No.14524207

>>14520904

Bad. Really bad.

UNLESS the girlfriend death is just the spark. It really comes down to good or bad writing. If the story is badly written, the GF death is the one and only motivation. If it's well written on the other hand, the GF could be the villain's only light in a world he perceives as dark and cruel, so when that light is snuffed, he decides the world must be changed, no matter the cost. Or the GF could be the person who calms him down and helps him control his darker urges, and when she dies, he becomes uncontrolled in spite of himself. Just provide a reason, real or symbolic, that the GF was so important, and why her death creates such an overwhelming reaction.


63b9a2 No.14524369

File: 21cff10b080327e⋯.jpg (102.75 KB, 1094x895, 1094:895, pyra_reacts_to_reactions.jpg)

>>14520904

Except that's not what happened you double nigger.

Lora gets killed early on and in her dying moments starts freaking out that Jin will forget her when he dies with her. So Jin basically kills her so that he can live and relive her worst fears of being forgotten by her. Except now he has no purpose in life other than to remember Lora forever because he promised he wouldn't forget her.

Then enters Malos, who sees Jin basically wallowing away in poverty and offers him a way out. Malos gives Jin purpose to "live", even if that purpose is ultimately destroy everything including himself. Jin is more or less justifying his actions using anything and everything he can, like "muh girl" and "muh blade slavery" and "muh Amalthus", but at the core of it, he is trying to end the world because it gives his life meaning.

Malos and Jin basically undergo this weird symbiotic thing where Jin basically dedicates his entire life to fulfilling Malos's dream of total destruction, even recognizing that doing so would make Lora hate him. On the other side, Malos views Jin's past as proof that the world is irredeemably corrupt and needs to be purged, even recognizing that his instinct for destruction comes from Amalthus.

The point is, that the whole Jin thing is kind of surface level retarded if you take everything at face value, but the character motivations make sense when you look at what they do rather than what they say.

Generally speaking though, "revenge for muh girlfriend" is almost always a retarded motivation for a main villain.


2e3295 No.14524375

>>14524369

When put like this, it does all sound believable.


c9ed17 No.14524390

>>14523646

>The 'symbolism' isn't that deep and it seems to draw mostly from Christian theology on a surface level -

even the creator admits he did it because he thought it looked cool.

>but I think it's really overrated.

because it is, just remember overrated =/= bad. Years later a lot of it's themes are still lost on waifufag infighting and the recent surge of normalcore sadboy posting means a lot of complete fags like eva because it boosted their meme page on facebook


53a409 No.14524408

>>14520904

Unless it was "humanity" that killed her, pretty shit.


679b31 No.14524477

>>14524369

I still say Amalthus had the more fleshed out and sympathetic backstory.


273aea No.14524490

>>14523910

>see absolute proof that humanity can be selflessly kind

>decide, over the actions of a few bad individuals with too much power, that all of humanity is irredeemable garbage that should be destroyed

What flawless, justified logic.


9072f9 No.14524528

>>14524408

…It was an elf.


765c61 No.14524533

>>14524490

As if it isn't human nature to be horrible monsters? "Selfless" people are aberrations and even then they only act that way because they believe being good to others is good for them.


9072f9 No.14524546

An elf commanding an army, but still an elf.


63b9a2 No.14524582

File: 804d697669d4f45⋯.png (956.4 KB, 1440x1080, 4:3, christ-chan_latin_stare.png)

>>14524477

You aren't wrong


0d7f7b No.14524808

File: 0d7fe49fc8a65a6⋯.jpg (34.07 KB, 426x382, 213:191, elf6.jpg)


3f0096 No.14524844

>>14520904

most retarded antagonists i have seen in a game, i didnt gave a fuck about them and even worst, they put them as heroes at the end.

Also they arent humans, they are artificial humans made by the last human that didnt do a thing to cure/save the other humans that turned into monsters.


4375cc No.14524912

>>14524533

>As if it isn't human nature to be horrible monsters?

Stop watching the walking dead. If this were true, civilization wouldn't exist.


3f0096 No.14524938

File: d92474285e36baf⋯.jpg (998.68 KB, 2592x800, 81:25, 1422035719789-0.jpg)

>>14524369

>Jin is more or less justifying his actions using anything and everything he can, like "muh girl" and "muh blade slavery" and "muh Amalthus"

>ugh! dont you see she is suffering because of you kid?!

>he then lets malos mind rape her

muh poor blades indeed

>amalthus fucked up my life

>should i seek revenge by trying to kill him and maybe die in the process?

>nah i will just destroy the world with the help of my friend malos

>Malos views Jin's past as proof that the world is irredeemably corrupt

>elf does something evil

>welp lets destroy the planet!

>should i stop acting like a nigger and have some damn free will?

>nah!

>>14524477

>muh mum is dead

>i will try to find god for reasons

>steal god's shit like a nigger

>corrupt malos with my nigger thinking

>want to control the world now

>shit load of years later

>my actions have doomed the planet

>should i stop thinking/acting/doing like a nigger and actually turn good?

>should i seek forgiveness for the people/blades i have wronged?

>nah!

>control the titans dooming the inhabitants because you wanted to stop other niggers that are trying to destroy the world


2d703c No.14524976

>>14520904

>Is it good or bad motivation for a super antagonist to do what they are doing?

If that's their only reason, no. If there are other reasons alongside that, then yes. However, in the end, it really depends on the writing.


63b9a2 No.14525109

>>14524938

1. The fact that he tries to throw the "oh Rex you're letting Pyra get hurt" and then proceeds to let Malos do worse kind of proves my point in that he isn't really doing this for any of the reasons he says he is.

2. I think you are trying to attribute a "rational mindset" to a guy who literally has wanted to kill himself for 500 years but feels obligated not to because he promised not to forget.

3. Malos already has an instinct to destroy everything, the Jin scenario just lets him point to something other than "cause I want to". And their interaction with each other throughout the game shows that they do appear to actually care about the other.

4. The major overarching theme of the entire game is everyone is trying to find the why of their specific existence, with Rex being the only one who really finds an answer to the ultimate question, at least as the Architect wants. Almost everyone else in the game is left constantly searching for what their purpose is, and every villain basically comes to the wrong conclusion (Malos = the Endbringer, Jin = the Revolutionary, Amalthus = the Messiah).

5. Amalthus has a more sympathetic backstory in that like Jin, he also lost his family. But while Jin just completely gave up on life until Malos, Amalthus actively fought against his own feelings of hatred towards the world and tried to help people. Its just that when Amalthus helped people, it ended up making things WORSE (the bandit he healed burgled and murdered an entire family). So he went to basically god to ask, but god wouldn't see him, so he took pretty much the only evidence he could that he was there and left. Then Malos, aka his evidence of there being a god, basically starts chimping out and murdering everyone. So since basically the equivalent of Jesus Christ has come to Amalthus and started murdering the fuck out of everyone, Amalthus started to believe that the Architect must WANT to destroy the world. And since the Architect let him leave with Malos/ Pneuma, he must be the chosen one! So this births his messiah complex and his general arrogance, which gives him the idea of "I'm the only one who knows how shit really is, and because I'm the only one, any one else who tries to see the Architect is a heretic


3f0096 No.14525208

>>14525109

>And their interaction with each other throughout the game shows that they do appear to actually care about the other.

i guess they wanted to make them like "we are just like you kid, but evilish"

>5

>people hurt other people when shit hits the fan

>I MUST ASK GOD WHY?!

>everyone and their mother knows that blades inherit the drivers feelings/mentality when they are activated

>I'm a nigger

>one of the most powerful blades I activated acts like a nigger

>I guess god wanted to destroy the world

Hell you could say that NOBODY knew about the inheriting thing of blades/drivers, but 500 years later and the not-pope still acts like a nigger instead of being a better person was retarded. It would be more believable if all the elfs living on that dragon acted like niggers just like him or that the whole religion was a front for the elfs to manipulate/dominate the other nations.


000000 No.14525287

>not doing it for her

faggot


e23e8a No.14525304

>>14523634

That, losing something or someone you give a shit about (a dog for Wick's case), or having your whole life ripped and torn from you would justify anyone wanting to go out and kill people especially if the person who did it was a nigger, Arab, or Muslim.


192a3f No.14525442

>>14520904

Why do developers always try to be edgy and bland/generic with character backstories? why not bring a backstory about:

>A successful businessman running a sock factory is forever changed when the government decides to nationalize his factory during wartime so they can produce better socks for their soldiers. The businessman at first tried to challenge the government but was soon sent to jail for "treason" and spent the duration of the war (two to three months) behind the bars. And ever since he finally got his freedom back he decided to enter polidicks and twelve years later he becomes the president of the country. He brings promises of hope and change to his nations people but behind those altruist promises there is a dark, corrupt goal for this president that will bring the world to the brink of destruction. First by fueling wars against the national sock giants, then he finds a way to profit by monopolizing from eternal proxy wars by monopolizing the world sock industry. The protagonist needs to stop this anti-villains totally non edgy master plans, he

Took me 15 mins to create a better backstory for this villain


ff988f No.14525766

>>14525442

It wold be much better to play as the business man-turned President and eradicate all who oppose his power.


ff988f No.14525776

>>14523634

Only retarded weaklings go on a rampage for losing objects such as women. Or for even considering merchandise (women) as a dear "person" to begin with.


4375cc No.14525786

File: 1bc3a535f490b39⋯.jpg (14.88 KB, 237x170, 237:170, 1bc3a535f490b397828ba36ea1….jpg)

>>14525776

Get a load of this cuckchanner.


e3008a No.14525973


765c61 No.14526003

>>14524912

Civilization is unnatural. It exists to make us into good slaves who don't "misbehave", i.e. rebel against the system. It's only in "civilization breaks down" stories that people become free to act on their true nature.


4375cc No.14526013

>>14526003

How did civilizations come to be in the first place?


765c61 No.14526036

>>14526013

>How did civilizations come to be in the first place?

Control mechanisms. Everyone wants to rule the world, even if it's just a small part of it. You don't have to kill people if you can control them.


4375cc No.14526046

File: f23493c2d6fd834⋯.jpg (32.75 KB, 500x299, 500:299, 1424484296944.jpg)

>>14526013

What mechanisms and how do they work?


e168b5 No.14526074

Good motivation…. if done right.

Otherwise the antagonist comes over as completely irrational… If that's the intention then alright.


765c61 No.14526121

>>14526046

Everything around us exists to suppress us and control us. Do you think it's natural to live in the world we live in, where human instinct is drowned out by modern life? And it was the same in previous eras too, though they didn't have the luxury of mass media to indoctrinate people so they would have to use force to extend their influence. Humans aren't supposed to be civil, they're meant to be ruthless and barbaric because that's how they survived before recorded history.


97dc4e No.14526139

>>14526036

>>14526003

>>14526121

I want you to tell me, what do you think is "human nature" - reason or emotion?


4375cc No.14526152

>>14526121

> modern life? And it was the same in previous eras too, though they didn't have the luxury of mass media to indoctrinate people so they would have to use force to extend their influence.

Where did it come from? How did it start?


765c61 No.14526186

>>14526139

Human nature is to control and/or destroy everything that's in front of you. The environment, other people, whatever. To make everyone and everything bend to your will. That's really all there is to it. Reason and emotion can both be applied in pursuit of this goal.

>>14526152

Who can say for sure? Considering the rapid "advancement" of our species, there would have to have been some kind of outside influence, but we're talking pre-recorded history here. As for the whys, it likely came about because it can be used by us to control our fellow men.


4375cc No.14526198

>>14526186

>Who can say for sure?

You can. Stop bullshitting me and tell me how and why we came to be this way.


765c61 No.14526214

>>14526198

Sorry, I didn't exist 10,000 years ago. Nobody "knows" this, which is probably the point. The fact is humans today live an unnatural existence compared to humans in antiquity.


4375cc No.14526223

>>14526214

Stop being a lieing faggot and tell me the truth.


97dc4e No.14526224

>>14526186

>Human nature is to control and/or destroy everything that's in front of you. The environment, other people, whatever. To make everyone and everything bend to your will. That's really all there is to it. Reason and emotion can both be applied in pursuit of this goal.

And creation? Is this not something in human nature as well?

You've got it somewhat right about control in the sense that a degree of control is necessary to battle chaos so that the life is bearable, so that there's something to look forward to. But to be human is not about madly trying to control every aspect of your environment, it's pathological to think so because it is utterly pointless. Very few things are in our full control, and even that's mostly just the content of our own minds and thoughts. Everything else has a degree of outside factors tied to them.

You sound really blackpilled to me. What you describe are the predatory practices of the jew, and they are not all there is to the world and most certainly are NOT human nature, it's just jewish nature.


765c61 No.14526281

>>14526223

The "truth" is that the truth has been so thoroughly scrubbed out that it's impossible to find. I can't give you the truth because nobody knows what it is. If you really care, consider how our species has evolved so quickly in such a short amount of time, let alone all the technological advancements in our history.

>>14526224

What do you mean by creation? Creation of what? Bear in mind that the creation of things is ultimately an aberration born of civilization, which itself is unnatural.

>But to be human is not about madly trying to control every aspect of your environment, it's pathological to think so because it is utterly pointless. Very few things are in our full control

This only taps into the human desire to control others. Everyone who gains power wishes to extend their power as well as protect it from usurpers. This has been the story of humanity for the past two, three thousand years.

>What you describe are the predatory practices of the jew

Jewish nature is not human nature, I agree. Jews have a knack for controlling civilization though; it's almost like they were made for it. Just like civilization was "made" for us.


1388c9 No.14526352

>>14520932

>numerous Anons who will unironically go nuclear on the world

Who wouldn't? I won't blame them completely either. Granted, I doubt they'll 100% destroy the world and leave it unhabitable for all types of life until the end of universe, but I won't be surprised if that's the case.


97dc4e No.14526363

File: fab0b812695b6c0⋯.png (760.15 KB, 900x719, 900:719, fab0b812695b6c0a82f8c133fc….png)

>>14526281

>What do you mean by creation? Creation of what?

Creation as a process on itself. Creation as a motivation purely for its own end. Look around your room and see what I mean with creation, every single object there has been willed into being by someone, and for more than just your oddly narrow idea of it all just being there to control you. Go outside and take a walk, look at old architecture, look at the sculptures on the walls, all there to make it more beautiful, with no other purpose than solely the architect wanting to see more beauty in what he was building. Creation of beauty with no immediate utilitarian use - that's what I'm talking about.

>Bear in mind that the creation of things is ultimately an aberration born of civilization, which itself is unnatural.

What is the natural state of a human to you, then? Running around with sticks and stones with no forethought about tomorrow? By such logic Africa is the most perfect example of humanity, (until recently) untouched by the ravages of the evil civilization and the terrible, controlling mechanisms such as irrigation and plumbing.

In short, our civilization has been born out of necessity, because unless in the jungles of Amazon, Africa or Southeast Asia, Europe has always had four seasons of winter, spring, summer and autumn. This predicates the necessity of forethought and cooperation, for while a lone hunter-gatherer can technically survive alone the ravages of a winter or two, the odds of survival increase exponentially in a group. These group needs then take precedence over some individual urges - a very rational compromise when the alternative is to act out all urges and most likely die alone in the cold. Now, here's a split between the individualism of the West versus the collective hive-mind of the East, as the West has always had a smaller population inhabiting a much vaster area. You don't like how things are done in an area, you go somewhere else and start over - United States were founded on this very idea.

What in any of this sounds unnatural to you? Everything written above is the direct result of trying to solve the problems of the two biological imperatives - to survive and to multiply.

What you spitefully say is clouded by bitterness about your perceived current situation (shit is fucked, but it doesn't have to be so for long, those very mechanisms of control you abhor have weaknesses and they're usually located between the seat and the keyboard), completely unwilling to see anything else out of fear that by agreeing to anything else you might admit you're wrong and might have wasted your efforts. But tomorrow is another day.


63321f No.14526446

>>14520953

Tbh, as much as I love the game - the whole cast of villains (and their arcs) were shit. The strength of the game is definitely in the protagonists.


63321f No.14526458

>>14521001

Tbh the entire game is dictated by Sephiroth's will - as influenced by his ayy lmao genetics. I'm fairly sure it's reasonably well established (in the game) that Sephiroth's will has superseded that of his mother. Not that I'm disputing that Sephiroth is physically dead until the end of the game (when he starts the process of becoming a god).


765c61 No.14526508

>>14526363

>Creation as a process on itself. Creation as a motivation purely for its own end. Creation of beauty with no immediate utilitarian use

This kind of "creation" is a crude outlet for those who are unable (or unwilling) to act on their true instincts. A "luxury" afforded to people by civilization.

>Look around your room and see what I mean with creation, every single object there has been willed into being by someone, and for more than just your oddly narrow idea of it all just being there to control you.

Rooms as we know them are little more than comfortable cages. Humans aren't supposed to have rooms.

>What is the natural state of a human to you, then? Running around with sticks and stones with no forethought about tomorrow?

You mean like hunter-gatherers, which was the natural order for hundreds of thousands of years? Compared to them, modern humans are completely domesticated.

>our civilization has been born out of necessity

>talks about bands of hunter-gatherers

Do you think a group of a few dozen people even compares to the sprawling monolith that today's society is? Speaking of hunter-gatherer bands, they would all have leaders and these leaders were the ones who would act according to their own desires.

>These group needs then take precedence over some individual urges - a very rational compromise when the alternative is to act out all urges and most likely die alone in the cold.

Or more likely, those deemed weak by the band or tribe would be the ones left to die so the strong can survive. The weak lose their ability to decide their fate so it's decided for them by their betters; only those being judged would have a problem with this outcome. In the end, the weak die while the strong flourish. Compare to today, where society will try to save the weak at the expense of the strong. Thus, those who would be strong languish while the weak enjoy the protection of the state; enabling the state to control the strong and the weak simultaneously.

>the direct result of trying to solve the problems of the two biological imperatives - to survive and to multiply.

Those weren't problems in prehistory. They are problems now because it's so easy for everyone to multiply, thanks once again to modern civilization.

>bitterness, blackpilled etc.

Are you calling me these things to chide me, or to make it easier for you to disregard what I say?


a8c781 No.14526532

File: 383dbbcb10793aa⋯.png (72.82 KB, 522x372, 87:62, neogafresetera.png)

>>14526363

>>14526508

Holy shit are you two the guys from that other thread?

>god made all humans and so everything we do is glory unto yahweh

>humans are all animals and shouldn't live in luxury or comfort; rape and pillage

christ you guys go get a room and buttfuck it out already


97dc4e No.14526704

>>14526508

It's clear that you're just an edgy asses and elbows type of retard. Holy shit dude, get it together, because you sure as hell are not escaping whatever the fuck cage you think you're trapped in by posting utter nonsense online.

>>14526532

I have zero idea what the fuck you're talking about, and your reduction is just as retarded as the faggots you're referring to.


6a26de No.14526732

>>14524490

>every kindness is met with cruelty and selfishness

Reminder that if you choose to fight Fou-lu, Yuna walks away scot-free to create more of his own gods.

>decide, over the actions of a few bad individuals

Nah, pretty much everyone with power. Yohm, Yuna, Mami's Landlord, the Emperor, Captain Rasso, the Mountain God.

BoF4 has the same basic theme as BoF3, but because the world is so much bleaker the existential message just falls flat.


ff988f No.14526859

>>14526224

Create to dominate.

As in, create beauty to put yourself above others and control them by their emotions.

Or create weapons to kill those that you can't control.

>>14525786

The joke is on you, cuck.

We force women to do what we want, and take your woman away from you without you even knowing about it.

Then, we abandon them when they age, and go look for other young ones to use until they age, and repeat the process.

You cucks that care about disposable objects are the ones wasting your lives with them, while we get them anyway without giving anything in return.

And them, they go parasite your kind for the rest of your miserable life while we laugh and go use and discard more of them.


765c61 No.14527026

>>14526704

Did you forget we have IDs or something?


000000 No.14530192

benis ignore


4375cc No.14530197

File: d77d34d1bcd55ef⋯.gif (3.38 MB, 700x285, 140:57, d77d34d1bcd55efdc79dbd48e9….gif)

>>14526859

>we

Check my dubs, friend.


e7c029 No.14530293

>>14520904

anon, he couldn't protect her smile and is taking it out on everyone in his way


b958a0 No.14530309

File: 6c176e8a21757be⋯.jpg (210.99 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 3dXjh.jpg)

>His age is ending

>Doesn't want shriveled up niggers to succeed his age

>Fuck up the rest of the entire world to prevent the age of niggers

Gwyn is the best antagonist of all time.


b6b37e No.14530324

>>14526224

Whoever posted that is an edgy underage kid, or some undergrad freshmen who watched too much anime.

Human nature is to make things better, if this means destroying (purging) what doesn't work or those in your way and creating something better. Those who agree, good, those who don't, entice them or show them why your path is best, and those who oppose is the reason why conflict will always exist.

Reason should be applied, emotion is just a persuasive tactic, used in lesser IQ human beings

And yes, humans are just animals who do not know what is best for them in the general sense. This is why education and investing in education is so important. The average intelligence of the masses is the main culprit of decadencem and more than ever education needs to be leveled or the future robots taking over Pedro's job and the rising population and rapefugee invasion will only result in welfare parasite numbers increasing

The edgelord anon is right in one thing,in the past humans had to face more issues than humanity today, and current year soy-domesticated men are fat and feeble compared to the hardships that shaped men in the past.


b958a0 No.14530346

>>14530324

Nah, human nature is to destroy everything.

That's why the suffering of everything keeps on increasing the further we go. Yay.


2e8096 No.14530356

File: f94dc86ff27838b⋯.jpg (28.45 KB, 650x605, 130:121, 27067313_10157027493812564….jpg)

sounds like what an autistic manchild nu male would do if he had the capacity to, I'm not surprised a bunch of retards here would throw an indiscriminate bitchfit at the world rather than make justice by killing the perpetrators, because the japs that produce this tripe and the people that consume it are braindead basement dwellers, of course they want to kill everyone, the hypothetical dead girl is just an excuse to lash out for that time when people bullied them in highschool.

so is it good? no, but is it believable? yeah.


b6b37e No.14530358

>>14526121

>>14526121

You argue that morality is a weakness

You can be a civil human being who acknowledges other sentient beings with empathy and a care for fellow men, while at the same time still be a pragmatic, logical person doing what is best for yourself or whatever cause one believes in

However being spearchuckers level of tribal is incorrect. Civilization and advancement is not wrong. You can argue altruism and morality are flaws, and there could be a certain level of argument. However without it there is no civilization or room for growth. There must be a balance in everything, all extremes are bad. Too much altruism and you get Merkel opening the gates and destroying Europe.

There must always be a balance. Pragmatically approaching a subject always with the direction aiming to prioritize your fellow men or whatever group you believe in is ideal, and if you can do it without harming others or without anyone else getting hurt in the process, even better

For instance, If I participate in a tournament, I wouldn't cheat. But if the tournament decides the fate of an entire city, you sure as hell would know each city would cheat and do whatever it takes to survive while making sure they are not spotted. This is just human. That humanity you're talking about can be found right there. In moments where it matters. humanity may have evolved into being more civilized, but humanity hasn't changed at all. No one is being supressed, it simply has no need to be ruthless because they cover all their needs.


b6b37e No.14530360

>>14530346

>Human nature is to be chaotic evil!

you're retarded.


e31907 No.14530371

>>14530324

>>14530346

Well both of you are completely ignoring the fact that Niggers don't even care about nature enough to even be malicious. They just destroy because they have no capacity for understanding long term consequences for their actions. That's why they're Niggers, Jews on the other hand destroy anything that reminds them that they suck because of petty spite.


2e8096 No.14530401

>>14530358

you can't convince this postmodern retard because he already believes good things don't exist, no ammount of explainig can get him to understand why restrain in behavior and moral observance lead to freedom and happiness, because he thinks freedom=choosing your way to die and happiness=cum.

I'ts weaponized vanality, he will deny the existence of anything that makes him pull his head out of his ass.


b958a0 No.14530411

>>14530360

>>14530371

Yeah, you're right, humans aren't naturally Chaotic Evil.

We're born Lawful Good, until the world controlled by Chaotic Evil folks nurture us to become Chaotic Evil ourselves.

It doesn't change the fact that we're all fucked though. I wish we can send a message to the successors of humanity to : not fuck shit up.


77b67f No.14530417

>the game absolutely assumes the player forgave him instantly upon learning his backstory

Rex was the only one that really forgave him, even the other characters thought he was nuts. Rex's childish belief that there is some kind of good in everyone was arguably his defining trait. This is the same person that decided to fight the most powerful forces in the world without a second thought simply to make a girl with huge tits happy. Rex is arguably one of the only teenage boy characters that thinks like a teenage boy.


77b67f No.14530419


05fb8d No.14530421

In Breath of Fire IV, I'd say it was entirely justified. Actual major spoilers.

The "antagonist" is an ancient emperor dragon who sealed himself away for reasons I legit don't remember, but anyway he's seen as a threat by the now human (and corrupt as fuck) government. They try to have him killed, but fuck up and he wakes up instead, albiet a bit drained of power. They then spend the majority of the game hunting him down and trying to kill him, while he spend that time fighting back/fleeing and trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.

Partway through the game, they actually manage to fuck him up bad, but he escapes. Some human girl finds him, thinks he's a normal person, and takes him in, nursing him back to health. In the process, he ends up falling in love with her, a human, and starts to think maybe humanity isn't truly iredeemable.

Long story short, the government finds out about her. They kidnap her, execute her, and use her life as fuel for a demonic ritual attack that increases in power towards it's target the more attached they are to the sacrifice. It ends up having the stopping power of a nuke. He doesn't die, and upon learning what happens he fucking SNAPS. Declares humanity unsalvagable, worthless monsters, and begins genociding the planet, starting with the acting human emperor himself. Straight up rips his way through the palace and decapitates the motherfucker.

Most of this was bastardized in the shitty english localization, of course. Thanks for nothing, Capcom.


4ff34d No.14530430

File: 93e313fd3ad6e47⋯.jpg (140.03 KB, 699x465, 233:155, 1432526452981.jpg)

Remember the good ol' days when villains were just evil for evils sake and didn't try to justify themselves with flimsy moral pretenses?


21f60a No.14530436

>>14523646

Kaworu best girl.


b958a0 No.14530437

File: c0da29c0ab4d83f⋯.png (353.69 KB, 1017x765, 113:85, Aku_smiling.png)

File: f8270e16af5c4b8⋯.png (514.47 KB, 637x729, 637:729, DIO.png)

>>14530430

That'd be boring, unless they're as entertaining as these guys.


2e8096 No.14530439

>>14530371

Niggers are as cognizant as anyone else to be malicious and act with intent, having a lower intelligence ceiling and a non existant capacity to measure consequences doesn't remove accountability and the capacity to have restrain.

Jews don't destroy things out of spite, they destroy things because they take pleasure in perverting God's work, literally all pathological behaviors coming from kike culture boil down to being purposefully being a blight to anything good in the world because God forsook them through Christ, they are for all intents and purposes satan's spawn.


b958a0 No.14530447

>>14530439

>Jews don't destroy things out of spite, they destroy things because they take pleasure in perverting God's work

Nigger you should stop reading those retarded articles.

Jews truly believe that they're "God's chosen people" and that Paradise is reserved for them.

They don't destroy things out of spite, they destroy things because of this false sense of superiority and immunity to sin.


8d1feb No.14530458

File: 79ec95c5e7fee63⋯.mp4 (15.88 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Was it worth it Europa.mp4)

>>14530447

Why not both?


2e8096 No.14530463

>>14530447

You fell for a psyop, the chosen meme was created only to dupe dipshit goyim into worshiping them through protestantism and alienate the rest from christianity, if anything, only a small percentage of them ("jewish goys" pretty much) believe they are "chosen" and the "good guys", the vast majority openly hates God and orgasmically embraces their role as the destruction of creation.


b958a0 No.14530490

>>14530458

Because the former uses a childish, naive and a black-and-white worldview thought process.

>>14530463

I didn't acknowledge them as the "Chosen People of God" jackass.

I said they believe that they are the "Chosen People of God", and the reason because of their bloodline :

[1] They are the descendants of prophet Abraham through his son Isaac.

[2] A long line of prophets were from the Jews.


2e3295 No.14530597

Can we have more vidya discussion and less wannabe philosophers jerking off into each other's mouths


b958a0 No.14530606

>>14530597

Honestly, what exactly did you expected from this thread?

The OP is faggot who can't even formulate an opinion about an objectively bad motivation for an antagonist.


ff988f No.14531041

>>14530597

Leave and go look for another thread then.


988736 No.14532058

>>14530597

I think another forum like >>>/reddit/ would be more your speed.


0d7f7b No.14534571

>>14532058

>8chan

>forum

Get the fuck out.

>>14530606

That motivation could work in a very well written character.


9072f9 No.14534582

>>14524369

This guy was actually right. I did simplify it alot.

Jin isn't even the main villain.


0d7f7b No.14541069

>>14534582

Well at least you can admit it.


d143f1 No.14544088


0d7f7b No.14548811

>>14544088

Yeh the correct term is chan :^)


5ce642 No.14549188


c18331 No.14549213

File: 695bdafba70baab⋯.png (16.69 KB, 611x159, 611:159, ClipboardImage.png)

>>14549188

>>14548811

>>14544088

Y'all are pretty upset about an Azerbaijan basket singing consortium


5ce642 No.14549217

>>14549213

Not the same meaning of forum faggot. Are we going to start calling 8chan a symposium? A caucus? A cuckus?


7e3093 No.14549358

It's cheap as fuck but believable as a "breaking point" for a stressed character, although it only really works if the wife was killed in some way. Dying of natural causes would be a poor excuse for exterminatus.

I could see and believe a man nuking an entire country because someone killed his dog.


a0160f No.14549987

>>14520904

Most people here would do so for less


96581c No.14550317

>>14530430

I did but they can also be entertaining which gives them more charm, now days they tend to have some moral that they are right and the heroes are the real bad guy which makes them look like a little kid with a temper tantrum.


5127e1 No.14550350

>>14523646

Congratulations on missing the actual point of the fucking series. Did the last two episodes clue you in on the fact that none of the gay religious symbolism mattered? That the entire plot exists to explore the characters? Did you not even watch the last two episodes and watched the movie instead? Because the movie basically ends the same way.

>Class president is best girl

Oh I get it you're retarded. At least you related to Shinji, but please understand that you should try not to be Shinji, alright?




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