0c9495 No.14495076
Name some games where the second installment is where things start to go downhill.
4de5bb No.14495199
Halo 2. The series never recovered.
4ce047 No.14495204
>Earthworm Jim 2 is where things start to go downhill
>Implying it isn't the pinnacle of the series
EAT DIRT, FAGGOT
5a090e No.14495216
>EWJ2 is when it gets bad
27cf05 No.14495223
>>14495219
>Muh Nier Automata is bad meme
I guess this going to get pushed on /v/ for the next few years.
fd2155 No.14495271
>>14495076
Gotta agree with you OP. Shiny went way too overboard with the minigame shit in EWJ2 and shit like Puppy Love isn't even hard, it's just obnoxious filler. Even the soundtrack was lazy.
5da41b No.14495321
Yes, we wanted a sequel after the first game's ending.
No, we did not want THAT sequel.
304bb6 No.14495378
285e3b No.14495379
>>14495306
>Fable 2
makes me angry everytime i see it.
9e9e31 No.14495541
>>14495306
I don't understand this BS about ME2 being the best in the series. It wasn't awful in comparison to 3, but it didn't have any of the first one's charm.
9e9e31 No.14495551
>>14495199
3, ODST, and even Reach are alright. It became irredeemable when 343 took over.
96e8cc No.14495562
>>14495076
Recent ones are Evil Within 2, Dishonored 2, and Wolfenstein 2, notice a pattern evolving? Bethesda and Zenimax are fucking retards.
32540d No.14495567
>>14495204
gimmick levels. I want run and gun like the first game.
>>14495076
kingdom hearts.
1: Disney fun with rpg elements
2: yaoi + Disney channel
c8baf2 No.14495616
>>14495562
Since none of those series were any good to begin with, I don't think you can say they went downhill. There hasn't been a good Wolfenstein game since 2003.
96e8cc No.14495640
>>14495616
They had plenty of potential, executive meddling, hiring a libtard writer, some dyke feminist as a producer, rushed development, it's like the suits just told the devs to wrap everything up, all of those sequels were goddamn shit compared to the first game and killed the franchises, first games had better sale, the sequels only sold like 1/4 of the total sales of those games.
39bf82 No.14495867
>>14495228
>Echoes of Time
That wasn't the second installment.
762969 No.14495879
>>14495567
Kingdom hearts 2 is the third game in the series though. Chain of memories is the second installment.
98bef5 No.14496266
>>14495567
Are you retarded?
EWJ1 had just as many gimmick levels as the second one if not more. And proper levels were much worse.
13de5e No.14496308
>>14495908
>thread about franchises where they fucked up at the 2nd game
>posts 7th game
Nigga i get liking the Oath, Ark, and Origin games but there's been way earlier fuck ups in the Ys series (namely 3 and 5) so it's more accurate to say Ys is all over the place.
b37943 No.14496584
>>14495228
Megaman X2 wasn't as good as the first one, but MMX3 was pretty good.
9c0af8 No.14496777
>not using the level skip cheat to skip Snot a Problem / Flyin' King, the only objectively trash levels from the two Jim games
7ff825 No.14496853
Crysis 2
While the first one wasn't exactly the best thing in the world, it was an alright shooter. Meanwhile 2 took a steaming dump all over what made the first game interesting with "streamlined" suit powers, upgrades, and a tacked on CoD multiplayer that had no business existing.
c1bcb5 No.14496925
>>14495223
But people have heard of it :^(
569b7e No.14496976
>>14495562
I have to disagree with Evil Within 2 since it went in the direction that people expected the first game to go in with horror but was third person resident evil.
I would say that new Mirror's Edge but that was a reboot/remake/reimagining. Still stupid to reboot a game that only has one game to a starting franchise.
716ee2 No.14497035
>>14496853
Even though Crysis 2 is definitely worse than 1, I still found it quite enjoyable. And 3 is actually a bit better, like a middle ground between them.
6976e2 No.14497074
4e23a4 No.14497130
>>14495223
>calling it worse than the original NIER means its bad
Oh don't be so butthurt and defensive.
b97929 No.14497139
>>14495562
I liked The Evil Within 2 and I couldn't even finish the first one.
Sure it was watered down with generic western crap, but only slightly, and the impovements it brought actually made the game not completely shit.
ba3009 No.14497183
>>14495076
Fuck off Arin, lazy useless piece of shit, you and that alien you call "wife".
fee61b No.14497190
ba3009 No.14497226
>>14497190
He died as he lived.
42a3ad No.14497286
>>14495306
>Fable 2
Goddamnit that second half was so boring. I don't think I've ever had so little fun finishing a video game in my life.
>Go through tedious amounts of spire guards in the most bland and black structure I've ever seen
>Don't even fight Lucien, the final boss is just a big spire shard
>Can't murder that faggot, reaver
I kinda preferred it to the first fable tho, as I could get an undead lady grey waifu, and have multiple children across towns. Plus the original fables towns weren't as interesting, and the game itself wasn't anywhere near what molyneux promised.
Also unrelated note, why does Miranda look great on the cover of ME2 but in game looks like a botoxed whore?
762c73 No.14497470
>>14495321
Nah, PE1 isn't bad but fuck the "get broken guns and facetank shit" late game combat.
c0ce73 No.14497853
>>14495076
>Name some games where the second installment is where things start to go downhill.
It would be easier to list the ones that didn't
>>14495216
>tfw when no good lewds of Heather
fuck you for reminding me
0c9495 No.14499677
>>14495204
>>14495567
>>14496266
>>14496777
Earthworm Jim 1 had gimmick levels but not nearly as much as 2 had. Speaking of levels, technically 1 had more levels than 2 had. It also had actual bosses. I don't remember there being hardly any bosses in 2. The last level in 2 is just a race between Jim and PsyCrow while in 1, you get to fight the Evil Queen Pulsating, Bloated, Festering, Sweaty, Puss-Filled, Malformed Slug For A Butt.
a9f22c No.14499724
>>14496266
>just as many if not more
Proper EWJ1 has ten levels, not counting "repeats", the secret one in Level 5, the second part of Down the Tubes (titled Tube Race), and the optional Psycrow fight. EWJ2 also has ten levels, not counting repeats and the secret level in Level Ate. 1 has two or three gimmick levels, depending on if you count For Pete's Sake as a gimmick level. EWJ2 has four outright gimmick levels, and several more, that have so much focus on something that's not normal gameplay, that they could easily count as gimmick levels. And Andy Asteroids is just leagues above Puppy Love.
0c9495 No.14499774
>>14495616
>Wolfenstein was never good.
07f0f0 No.14499959
>>14495204
I agree, EWJ2 > EWJ
fc3b11 No.14500270
It was good in its own right but lacked the magic of the first game.
5b1846 No.14500284
>>14495076
Sonic 2 goes downhill. Then uphill. Then through a couple loops. Before long you get to the first boss.
b53864 No.14500291
>>14495306
The last stand is kino
000000 No.14500300
>>14495199
Removing medpacks in favor of regenerating health was a huge mistake. Halo Reach brought that back, but also added armor abilities and fucked with lore so it's a mixed bag.
9a1a8b No.14500314
>>14500291
>kino
go back to your board
818079 No.14500321
>>14495228
>MegaMan Star Force 2
Amen to that, but it isn't the first time they made the EXACT SAME FUCKING MISTAKE GOD DAMN CAPCOM THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.
a4af72 No.14500330
>>14500291
My mind just broke from the first picture. Can't tell if asian or white.
92ddb9 No.14500365
3 was unfocused, 4 was mediocre and every level took two minutes to load, Hero's Tail was dull, and the reboot trilogy is a fucking edgy joke.
05ad82 No.14500426
0c9495 No.14500445
>>14500330
Honorary Aryan.
1b49a2 No.14500477
>>14500330
It's very uncommon for Europeans to have epicanthic folds. She's a kpop idol with dyed hair and colored contacts.
https://twitter.com/wildflower_choa
43514b No.14500498
>>14495228
StarForce 2 may have been shit, but 3 more than made up for it.
0610e4 No.14500740
>>14500365
All I remember from the reboot is mashing one attack button and nothing else. I even have nostalgia for it, and still that's all I fucking remember.
220c40 No.14502141
LET'S TALK ABOUT BORDERLANDS 2
>Guns
In Borderlands when you got a gun you got damage, accuracy, and fire rate, and some plus minus bullshit on a gun and maybe an element and a number. You could look at wikis and shit and the gun model and find out "oh it uses barrel 5 so this does +damage but -fire rate and effects elemental proc this much" but you didn't have to min-max shit except maybe for the superboss and the Underdome 20 rounders. A blue/purple quality gun could last you 10 levels or more with proficiency helping with damage lag.
In Borderlands 2 when you get a gun you get every fucking feature on the gun displayed to you except for wacky red text bullshit and you don't have a reason to have more than a few guns in your inventory beyond collecting stuff to sell due to the level scaling being fucking atrocious and proficiency being cut for shitty badass rank that adds marginal benefits that only show effect after 1000+ hours over characters.
>Skills
In Borderlands 1 passive skills were "+X% stat," kill skills were stat boosts and sometimes things like regenerating ammo/upped damage/resistance/experience and such. Skills at the end of trees didn't fundamentally change your playstyle but usually added a noticeable boost to your damage output or utilities, like ammo packages, or 1/4 chance to do increased damage, or an elemental aura.
In Borderlands 2 skills are often greater stat increases, are often conditional (such as activating at full/no shield, the boost increasing the lower your health is), and have certain (((capstones))) that changes the way you have to play a character. The worst part is the introduction of "stacks" which certain skills activate. Upon doing X action you gain a stack of Y which gives Z benefits/drawbacks and while in theory this creates more intellectual combat and strategy because of BL2's numbers game this is really only used to "break" the game with anarchy and otherwise are basically kill skills that don't require kills.
>Quests
In Borderlands 1 you can get a mission from a bounty board to go kill a boss or collect gun parts and usually get a nice reward from it. The beginning and ending text might not always be funny but it's descriptive and makes it clear that it has a purpose in the world.
In Borderlands 2 each quest is a miniature (((story))) about an npc that constantly talks in your ear during it and either references something poorly or tries some form of meta self depreciation (DID I TELL YOU I'M GOING TO BETRAY YOU YET?) and more often than not the quest reward is trash. At least there's a bit more variety than "collect/kill X" and optional objectives.
>Story
The writing in BL2 is trash but its story is much better than the first, even though it's a rehash of the "evil company controls a planet, stop them from achieving X." On the other hand the game goes a little too religious with the whole "VAULT HUNTER " hunter thing, since in the first game it meant "crazy kook treasure hunter" and the whole "vault was real" thing shouldn't stop the whole "vault was shit" thing.
>Style
If there's a single word that would describe the shift from 1 to 2, it would not be "wackier/quirkier," but "exaggerated." Guns are thicker, the gun shop has a revolver pinup, npcs are more insane and substitute yelling for acting ability, skills are % more X, damage is multiplicative as hell, and while rarely this comes together well enough to almost make you forget it's shit, the next moment you're finding a bonfire with a knight in it or the villain radioing you and directly quoting the double rainbow video. If you read interviews and shit about the making of the two games you can see Gearbox had a lot of people who came up with ideas and said "yeah let's go with that" which somehow worked out for the first game but whether because of direction or staff shift, the second game became an unfocused mess of memes and ideas that sound good on paper but end up terrible in execution. Don't even get me started about slag.
b53864 No.14502183
>>14500445
That doesn't exist. Hitler would have gone to war against them if he beat the allies.
336a28 No.14504085
Medievil was absolutely fucked after this piece of shit.
I mean Medievil 2 was fine, wasn't too bad, but missed what made Medievil good. The humor is more childish and heavy handed, the platforming is mostly the same but they added fucking fall damage to make it more frustrating, the level design is ATROCIOUS aside from the pretty visuals, the hitboxes are abysmal this time around and you have a hard time hitting enemies, the difficulty is inexplicably cracked up by making enemies deal enormous damage. Some of the good lore like the Heroes from the Hall of Heroes is dropped for no fucking reason even though they were the funniest aspect of the game.
Just bad decisions all around.
I'm not even going to talk about Resurrection. That one explains itself.
d91e87 No.14504101
>>14504085
Vampire gimmick level and carnival were fucking baller, though.
e3daba No.14504106
>>14502183
Source: Your ass
8d83ed No.14504122
>>14497286
BioWare mangles all their female characters' faces on purpose to make them less attractive, because feminism etc. The actress they used for Sarah Ryder in Andromeda is actually pretty good looking, while Sara's actress in Dragon Age Inquisition isn't nearly as unattractive as she turned out in the actual game.
969677 No.14504151
>>14495076
da fuck you talking about ye uncultured nigger
EWJ2 kicks so much ass that it's foot perpetually smells like shit
and besides, i don't remeber any other sequel after this one so it's har to say that things went downhill when they simply didn't go anywhere
969677 No.14504157
>>14495223
>I guess this going to get pushed on /v/ for the next few years
I wonder by (((who)))?
>>14497130
>worse than the original NIER
here's your (you)
0c9495 No.14504164
>>14504151
There was a 3rd EWJ game…….but we don't like to talk about it.
818079 No.14504168
>>14502183
Pretty much, he called them Honorary Aryans when it suited him, and in private, they were "Lacquered Half-Monkies" who needed the whip
969677 No.14504174
>>14504164
i know the feeling m80
4cae90 No.14504175
>>14504164
/v/ doesn't talk about this game much, no
I think it would've been better if the boss fight gameplay was related to the other gameplay
818079 No.14504177
Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14504164
>>14504175
Would you believe it's not even the worst one?
0c9495 No.14504207
>>14502183
Would he really?
818079 No.14504232
>>14504207
>That look on his face
>He's trying to put on a smile for the optics, but looks nowhere near as enthusiastic about the situation as Tojo does
Seems likely.
72a9eb No.14504489
>>14497286
> BS2 being anything other than the pinnacle of the series
Ask me how I know you never played it.
b5f58e No.14504656
>the second installment is where things start to go downhill
>>14495216
>>14497853
As much as I love SH2, it ruined the future of the series.
It's popularity is the reason why Tomm Hulett and SH theoryfags kept pushing the idea that Silent Hill is a fucking therapist town and that the series should always be about people facing their inner demons, even though SH started out being about a demon-worshipping cult and the events of SH2 would not have even happened if not for the actions of the cult.
e7a849 No.14507070
Dark Souls
Prove me wrong.
10d5db No.14507124
>>14495076
>The second game is where things start to go downhill.
You don't know the half of it.
caf4ac No.14507132
>>14507070
I have nothing to prove if you don't make any argument.
d983ba No.14507192
Isn't Earthworm Jim an actual active ip even today that some assholes have been sitting on for 20 years now doing absolutely nothing?
857bfe No.14507390
>>14507124
Dead rising 1 was dog shit though. If anything 2 was a vast improvement. 4 was the one that sent the series down the shitter.
4500fe No.14507405
>>14507390
>DR1 was dog shit
8a9fbf No.14507408
>>14507390
You are objectively wrong.
1 was an all around solid game whereas 2 started introducing gimmicks for the of it, 3 was a complete 180 in terms of everything and 4 completely killed the franchise with no chance of redemption.
ee6009 No.14507431
>>14495076
>Sequelitis
>Inflammation of the sequel
???
d390e4 No.14507456
>>14507431
This, OP is either retarded or an Egoraptor fantard.
8dfcb0 No.14507494
>>14507390
I know it's bait, but…
1 was a pretty decent game, was a bit serious but had it's fun moments. 2 was… Meh… But when they did the Off the Record version it took all that made 2 good and then improved on it making for a solid experience. 3 was where it started to go downhill mainly because they didn't know what they were doing and 4 killed the franchise.
653562 No.14507512
>>14507390
Are you one of those faggots that think the best part of the game is the zombie killing. The best aspect of Dead Rising, that was continually watered down due to faggots like you, was the fact that the game was one giant time puzzle.
363c8f No.14507519
>>14507431
It's a metaphor, ya pedant.
https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Sequelitis
>As the number of films in a series swells, the probability of an entry that is unmitigated crap jumps to a number greater than 50% with the second installment, and approaches 100% thereafter.
>>14507456
That term existed long before Egoraptor used it in 2011.
819f6c No.14507536
>>14495076
Heres a better idea: Name a series that has more than one game in it that did not go downhill after the second.
ee6009 No.14507583
3416d2 No.14507590
>>14507536
Ace Combat, the later games except a few shit titles here and there are considered better then the first 2.
f3c01a No.14507599
>>14507536
Is this question equivalent to "Name a series with a game better than the first two"?
818079 No.14507602
363c8f No.14507613
>>14507536
>a series that did not go downhill after the second.
If it doesn't go downhill, isn't that just a continual upward movement? Or are you talking about series where the downfall was a game later than 2? Or are you talking about series that recovered from a bad number 2?
>>14507583
>Someone pointed out that I misinterpreted something. Better accuse him of something irrelevant as a distraction instead of acknowledging my own mistake.
That's a good way to never improve yourself.
f3c01a No.14507638
>>14507599
Because if that's the case, a lot of series from the 80's and early 90's are like that, technological advancements made it pretty hard to fuck up a sequel.
Most Nintendo series, Sega series, Bomberman, Metal Slug, Fighting games, Point and click series like Monkey Island, etc.
1ba752 No.14507646
FEAR 2.
>>14504656
Except that's a bit more of a fault of the western devs. SH3 was again more about the cult and 4 was about more about Walther (AFAIK, I haven't played it in ages).
It only became the whole therapy town after western devs got a hold of it and missed the point about everything.
74996a No.14507749
>>14502141
>Using a Fire Nova with Lilith ever time she entered/exited phase walk, did a melee which caused caustic/critical damage to a target, kill enough enemies and ability usually ready again ~15 seconds. Shield was PoS but could heal in phase, leaving behind lightning to damage a target's shield and recover my own.
I really liked using her, I had fun. I got injured alot but going phase allowed me to run away and heal. That and setting enemies on fire never got old, loved my Maliwans.
bdb6d8 No.14507816
f61612 No.14509983
4e4fe4 No.14510106
>>14500426
As a white trash amerifat, yes.