/v/ - Video Games

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo liked the work Bamco did on Smash 4 and wanted to use them again, especially since it seems like they're dead set on keeping Metroid an outsourced series.

Hopefully they go back to the roots with Ridge Racer 8 and make it more like the original Playstation games (and keep the cutie main girl from Rage Racer).

>Ridge Racer exclusive to Switch

So that's why Kaz Hirai left Sony.

>>14287102

>I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo liked the work Bamco did on Smash 4

That and the arcade ports of a few of their games.

>>14287054

>Ridge Racer/Daytona + Metroid Crossover

>Time Crisis + Metroid

>Tekken 7 - Samus Aran Switch Exclusive Character

Make it happen

>>14287130

I'm not sure if it's a funny coincidence or the cold hard truth.

I also noticed something strange. Rider Racer 7 seems to have been removed entirely from the Playstation Network. That's weird right?

>>14287121

oddly ridge racer type 4 drifting feels weird, like it's almost automatic, the moment I'm about to exit out a corner, I stop turning and if I try to fuck with the turning, I just make it worse

>>14287229

It felt weird on 3DS as well. As soon as you started drifiting you drifted with the turn, like it was on autotune, and all you had to do was oversteer or understeer the corner to get your line. Funnily enough you had more control on Ridge Racer 1 when there was no analogue control.

>>14287152

Even if they reskinned Nina to make her ZSS that would be fucking sweet. Tekken characters are ugly as shit though. Their proportions are all off.

Maybe Bamco will use their racing talents to make the next F-Zero game? An F-Zero based on drifting (and not that snaking bullshit) would be interesting.

>>14287334

All games with good drifting just becomes snaking fests, sadly. Except this.

>>14287334

>Maybe Bamco will use their racing talents to make the next F-Zero game? An F-Zero based on drifting (and not that snaking bullshit) would be interesting

Nintendo should hire the former WipeOut developers to make a new F-Zero.

>>14287349

That is fucking insane. Sadly I never got to play Climax. Is that the one that tanked so bad it didn't even sell 10k in Japan?

I don't mind drifting from corner to corner, that's fine if the course is designed for it, but the snaking shit just annoys me. It was a bug and it wasn't a fun way to play the game.

>>14287365

I wanna say it did tank, but that's just going off what Hardcore Gaming 101 said about it since it came out roughly a year after the previous game GP Legend. The timing alone was the reason I'd say it would fail, because the game is the best 2D F-Zero by far.

>>14287155

>Proper scale

Anon, I played most metroid games and Ridley is usually a lot bigger than samus, at least twice and most of the times even bigger, like in Prime. That being said, sure, why add Metroid when you could add more Fire Emblem! :^)

The death of a hobby

>>14288080

nintendo needs to hire sega employees to make their games, everyone know this. nintendo has no actual homegrown talent or qualified developers.

>>14288111

>You can make him smaller than canon, it's alright if it's for the sake of more metroid characters. Sounds pretty retarded still. If I'm honest, metroid is the kind of franchise that need more stage representation than characters because there's nothing relevant. You can even give Samus different suits, including SA-X suit and things like that.

Something I always though could be cool is giving alternative outfits slightly different visual effects, or even a different move set. Dark Pit wouldn't have been a waste if they used him as an alternative Pit. Wario could have different moves in his WarioWare suit and his nornal suit, and so on.

Back on topic, Ridley is way too big and rescaling him to make him playable sounds like a halfassed solution and almost an insult to the character and the fanbase. I don't have any idea what other metroid character could be playable, but Ridley really isn't.

>>14288143

Fucked up the greentext

>>14288143

>Something I always though could be cool is giving alternative outfits slightly different visual effects, or even a different move set. Dark Pit wouldn't have been a waste if they used him as an alternative Pit. Wario could have different moves in his WarioWare suit and his nornal suit, and so on.

There really isn't an excuse as to why they couldn't do that since Smash 4 has the three alternatives for every smash attack. And, it would also help eliminate the clone issue with them taking up a spot on the roster. But, that would also mean that they'd have to improve the game, which a lot of Smash autists (Including Sakurai) would have a fit over.

>>14288143

>Ridley is way too big

What stops Bowser from being too big? He's gigantic compared to Mario in every single game.

>>14288190

Not really. Bowser's size tend to differ. In the original and 64 he is around twice as big as Mario, and mario is pretty short already. Then in Sunshine and Galaxy is fucking towering. In 3D World he is the same size as mario again. And in some spin-off like RPG and Paper Mario he is, again, as twice as big as Mario, same with Mario Kart.

His size is not constant at all, that's a good excuse to keep him relatively small. Ridley is constantly bigger than Samus, and I mean way bigger, when the Varia suit is pretty tall already.

>>14288190

Because overall, Bowser is a simple design and you can scale him down to Smash level with no issue. Ridley has more to work with than just “lol scale him down”

>>14288143

>Ridley is way too big

>can't shrink him a little to fit

You know Olimar is like an inch tall in his games, right?

>>14288205

>Ridley has more to work with

Uh, like what? He's a giant pterodactyl man. His design isn't at all complicated.

>New Ridge Racer

Oh fuck

>>14288540

And yet he is taller than Samus in every incarnation, Samus being one of the tallest fighters.

>>14288578

>Hold samus in one hand

You do understand why that's a retarded idea, right?

>>14288583

>Samus being one of the tallest fighters.

She's actually the fifth tallest going by this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/character-height-a-rough-start.402759/

The tallest 5 characters in Smash 4 are Ganondorf (The tallest), Bowser, Rosalin and Luma, Captain Falcon, and Samus (And, this is excluding the DLC characters because, apparently, Bayonetta is taller than Samus).

>>14288540

>some autist got so mad at that excuse he made a whole info graphic just about Ridley's size

Top fucking lel

>Ridge racer exclusive to nintendo switch

Mojang said the same thing about Minecraft and Xbox.

Ridge racer 8 will come to Playstation, it's pretty much the home console of the game.

>>14287229

It's when you use dynamic type cars. It's basically drift on autotune. You don't lose speed drifting with the cars so you can basically just drift the whole time and gain nitros 24/7

>>14288628

samefag here, I forgot to mention that really the only way to make drifting hard is to use mild. But the only thing is that mild feels like a FF car

>>14288628

samefag one more time. Basically you're snaking if you didn't understand. Dynamic type cars are 100% for snakers.

>>14288642

I keep forgetting shit. The only difference is that you actually have to have some skill to snake, dynamic type cars even take that away because you can literally drift towards the right way if you are drifting in the opposite direction with dynamic type. Dynamic type cars basically turn it on rails.

>>14288628

>>14288631

>>14288642

>>14288647

If you're going to multipost, turn on sage.

Don't care. Never cared.

>>14288610

Still pretty tall considering Ridley is usually taller.

>>14288652

I'm sorry dude, It seriously won't happen again.

I understand ridge racer is meant to be entirely fictional, but why can't they make one with actual real world cars in it?

<"Oh wow a new Metroid ga-"

MOVIN TO THE BEAT

MOVIN TO THE BEAT

>>14287140

Sakamoto isn't responsible for the Prime series, so you don't need to be worried about that.

>>14288664

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>>14288700

here's a better vid

>>14288700

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=roAOE4fW1mQ

>>14288707

<Embed

>Using YouTube

LEAVE NEWFAG!!!

>>14288707

I'm talking about a new game though, that game came out on the ps2. It wasn't very popular either for some reason.

>>14288622

>>>/Cow/

>>14288722

You know about webm technology, right newfag?

Please do not make another fucking first person shooter god damn

Make this 3rd person Dark Souls lite with shooting

>>14288827

>Sony Studio Liverpool

Some odd offshoot of Psygnosis et al. Have to assume it had something to do with Amiga background and demo scene stuff.

It would be nice to see what can Bamco do with Metroid. Also MAKE A NEW F-ZERO BAMCO FUCKERS AND MAKE REIKO NAGASE A PLAYABLE PILOT

>>14288111

Nintendo doesn't care about canon, look what they did to Breath of the Wild.

< Gravity Suit is no longer purple in Other M because fuck you

>>14287054

Wow, so the switch not only boasts on-disc DLC statue keys and $70 cardboard, but it also has rehashes of long dead franchises that haven't been good in at least 15-20 years.

Sign me up fellow gamer :^)

>>14288664

>wanting it to be bogged down by licenses

>>14288966

Still doesn't explain why they picked such a bad song when he has so many better ones, songs that would fit the game's soundtrack much more than that pile of shit they went with.

>>14289026

I fail to see what breath of the wild has to do with canon. Zelda is an anthology series.

>>14289210

Then why did Nintendo release that book codifying the Zelda games in a canon timeline?

>>14289215

Because autists kept screeching about it and they caved in. Doesn't change the fact that the "zelda timeline" is complete and utter manure for anyone with a brain.

Mods have proof of concepted and shown Ridley is possible. The world will have Ridley in Smash.

>>14289223

Because autists kept screeching about it and they caved in. Doesn't change the fact that "zelda" is complete and utter manure for anyone with a brain.

FTFY

>>14289231

you forgot the

>greentext

>>14289544

<memetext

>>14289549

^newfags can't uptext

>Ridge Racer

Better not fuck it up like they did the vita game.

>>14288827

>why license a shitty song

i had to deal with this shit for a film i was helping produce for a friend. licensing fees differ based on the actual song itself; the kikes who own the rights know that, say, Crazy Train by Ozzy is more instantly recognizable and will charge more than they would for Over The Mountain. i would imagine the guys who did the song licensing saw what a "good" aphex twin song would cost and instead said "let's pay as little as possible to still have his name on our shit"

>>14289603

no console wars pls thx

>>14289603

>going to cuckchan

stay there

>>14289603

into the trash you go

>>14289580

I actually have a question about music licensing fees, say I wanted to make a Rock Band clone and I wanted to licence around 300 songs ranging from niche bands like Onmyouza and Frost* to Queen and Judas Priest. Could I put in 200 mid range to unknown bands with a wide variety of genres and have say 100 well known dad rock bands?

Asking since I wanna revive the plastic guitar.

>>14288080

Easy there anon. You're right, but it's not that Wipeout is bad. It's just that F-Zero is very arcadey, while in Wipeout you're supposed to feel like you're actually flying something. Two different styles, but none better than the other.

>>14289226

Project M is shit for melee autists.

Ridge Racer on the 64 was fun. But that was Namco.

I barely play any racing games now, lel.

>>14289666

>You're right, but it's not that Wipeout is bad. It's just that F-Zero is very arcadey, while in Wipeout you're supposed to feel like you're actually flying something. Two different styles, but none better than the other.

True, but, going off of the Wipeout: Omega Collection demo that have on the PS4 dummy units in stores, the games feel like you're moving much to slow (Even when you're going "fast").

>>14287361

>WipeOut devs

>not calling Shin'en and asking them to make a proper F-Zero game

>>14289723

The VR section of the game is exclusive to the PS4 iirc.

>>14288578

>I believe what >>14288205 is implying is that Ridley generally has more details in his body.

>You know, like textures aren't a thing.

First off, nice meme spacing.

Second, what he's probably talking about is that Ridley, unlike any of the other resized characters, is very thin/spindly in every incarnation since Super Metroid. Even at his beefiest he's very lanky. This doesn't translate well at all into smaller sizes, as his arms would be extremely thin unless they used the godawful Other M design for him. Regardless, people always bring up Bowser, who's a chunky turtle man from a very cartoon styled series to justify a near-skeletal space dragon from Nintendo's grittiest series. It just isn't a very good comparison, the whole point of Ridley for the majority of the series is that he's enormous.

All that aside, does anyone really think he'd be fun to play as or play against? He'd either end up being an obnoxious zoning character with his massive tail, or he'd be some lame grappler that people complain about because he's not accurate to the character. Like, his 3 attacks he uses in game are shoot fire, hit with tail, and grab. That's what his design allows for, you can't make him a brawler or anything like.

It's not like Metroid doesn't have other possibilities for characters either, there's an entire game based around other bounty hunters that have their own unique gimmicks, there's the 3 hunters from Corruption, and Dark Samus could easily have a very different moveset from Samus while staying within what the character does in game. The only problem is that those characters are from those nasty Prime games and we all know how a certain man feels about them.

>>14287054

Does ridge racer 8 even have a chance to be good?

I played ridge racer 3D on my 3ds and it was terriawful.

>>14289723

>Unannounced FPS

So it's not Prime 4 then.

>>14289669

It's still better than both Brawl and Smash 4, which is kinda sad when you think about it. There's genuine improvements that can be made to Melee, I'll list some right now

A utility button that could give each character a unique move. (Zelda Transformation, Mario's FLUUD, Reflector burst for Fox, Monado abilities for Shulk, etc),

More consistent pace between ground and air gameplay

better tools for air recovery and land mobility

More diverse character choices from Nintendo games like Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Eternal Darkness, StarTropics, Tinstar, etc,

Music playlists with unlockable music tracks

Unlockable alternate Characters for each character, like say Lucina for Marth, Young Link for Toon Link and Dr. Mario for Mario. Hell get freaky with it, like putting the current moveset for Ganondorf into him wearing Captain Falcons outfit and literally call him Captain Ganon, and have Bowsers old moveset as Classic Bowser.

Less emphasis on third parties, should max out at around 15% of the roster. Like say we get 44 newcomers and have all 56 characters return with clones being alternate characters. I think we should have 12 third parties. (Sonic, Megaman, Pac-Man, Cloud, Bayonetta, Snake, Ryu.) and then add say (KOSMOS, Crash Bandicoot, Dante, Quote, Doomguy and Banjo)

Crossover stages like PSASBR had where you would see both F-Zero and Custom Robo elements in one level, while having Zelda and Golden Sun in another.

Being able to dash out of shield

Being able to cancel dashing in order to do a tilt attack.

and the list goes on and on.

>>14289838

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I always assumed the 'Ridley is too big' reason was because of how long and spindly he would be. Not his actual height.

>>14289862

Sorry, I forgot my meme text

>>14289885

Yes, the dipshits can’t wrap their heads around that.

>>14288540

>didley fags

>>14289641

it's all going to depend on how much capital you have. they'll sell licensing rights for damn near any song to anyone, it's going to come down to money. as an unknown you're going to be paying to license each and every track. if you're being published by or are a part of a large company they might settle for a smaller fee in exchange for a percentage of the overall profits but i imagine that's not the case

>>14289769

If they were desperate they could use Meta Ridley inspired attacks like the laser beam and missile launcher.

>>14290440

Yeah, but that's like wanting Mecha Tao instead of OG Tao in Dragonball Fighterz. sure it's the same character, but the magic is missing.

>>14289838

t. melee fag

Have fun with your party game without the party. Good thing for the add ons, though.

>>14290925

He's shitting on the game bro.

I'm sick of this party game shit as well though. Whenever anybody calls out Mario Kart as the shitty franchise it is people always resort to this "it's a party game lol" shit.

>>14288226

you're not going to get him to admit he's retarded, so he'll respond with something like

>you need to make characters from the same series have consistent proportions with one another only

>>14289682

>Wipeout is slow

Everyone who says that clearly never played zone mode or gotten past the first speed stage

>>14291605

I noticed that the video didn't have other racers, however…

<Recommended videos is this

Guess that means I played a shitty demo. Why are companies so afraid of giving players "What they want" and leave them thirsting greatly for more, instead of barely giving them a drink and wondering why they don't come back?

>>14287140

>the (poor game) digimon allstar rumble had a pretty interesting, if unbalanced, singleplayer adventure mode.

is it worth playing if you have hard digimon autism?

>>14288966

Sony Liverpool pretty much was Psygnosis, anon. After seeing how much money they were pulling in with the licensed F1 games and original concepts like Destruction Derby they bought them outright around 1999. Hell, you can even get PC ports for 3 of the first 4 Formula 1 games as they weren't bound to PlayStation back then, ranging from rare (95), to very rare (97), to holy fucking shit this is rare (99).

Eurogamer claims Bamco Singapore is in fact making Prime 4, no word on Ridge Racer

http://archive.is/rO44R

>>14288578

>Lets not forget how no one in the game is at their real scale from their series.

Ganondorf is supposed to be like 2.5ft taller than Link but in Smash he's only a foot taller at most

>>14291980

>that face

She looks like she's about to shit herself

>>14288111

Too big? That's stupid. Olimar is smaller than a penny and he's in

If the rumor is true, do you think it is likely there will be more npc interaction and/or bounty hunters in Prime 4 with that team?

>>14298522

>Still, if they love sci fi, I'm interested to see what they'll do.

From the footage of 1313, they really nailed the look and atmosphere of classic Star Wars. And Nintendo is notoriously tough on its development teams. Look at the difference between Rare during the N64 days and what Rare produced after MS bought them. Night and day. More recently, look at the Castlevania 3DS game, and the Metroid 3DS. Same developer, but Castlevania was shit and Metroid was pretty good.

>>14298741

> Beyond that, why is Nintendo commissioning their IPs to Namco Bandai?

It wouldn't be the first time they've done it. Capcom made Zelda games on the Game Boy, and as I said Mercury Stream made the 3DS Metroid. Namco also helped with previous versions of Mario Kart as well as Smash. Nintendo and Square collaborated on Super Mario RPG on SNES. I guess as the size of development teams increases due to the quality of assets needed for games these days they find it easier to contract shit out.

Nintendo have said they're looking to broaden their IPs and open them up to more involvement in other projects (toys, movies, licensed shit) and they have admitted they seriously under-estimated the amount of effort it took to make HD games with the Wii U, so they're probably just setting up small internal teams to work with outside contracted teams.

Retro have probably done well enough that they' deserve some autonomy in Nintendo's eyes and are making something new.

>>14298641

Yeah, Mercury Steam have stated that Nintendo was hot on their ass when they were making Samus Returns, and that they have grown as a result. Clearly Nintendo aren't throwing IPs to studios left and right without a plan, or without careful supervision. My guess is that they want to groom new Retro Studios; to have more competent third parties to rely on.

>>14288664

They did. It's the worst game in the series. Coincidence?

>>14288670

CAN YOU FEEL THE HEAT

>>14289033

>Haven't been good for 15-20 years

Ridge Racer 6 and 7 were fine and they came out 12 years ago or so.

>>14289788

That's because that's a shitty port of the PSP game's engine. I'm hopeful. Probably stupid of me, but still.

>>14288111

Or, have Ridley crouched and more compacted together, almost how Bowser was in Melee.

But to be honest, I don't really care who's in Smash Bros at this point as long as it isn't 11 anime swordsmen and "muh contemporary" characters.

>>14299638

>as long as it isn't 11 anime swordsmen

What, you don't want "2D Soul Calbur?

>>14298741

Maybe they are trying to buy them again.

is this confirmed or just a rumour? It could be bamco is just helping out like they did with smash and Platinum on Star fox.

>>14300694

Rumour for now.

But a man can dream

>>14288540

That Metroid 1 artwork is fucked

>>14288111

Ridley for smash is the same as making petey piranha for smash. He's better off as a boss.

Also non-humanoid characters take 10 times more effort to create and develop.

I think Samus and ZSS is enough metroid repping when it comes down to playable characters.

Rather than looking at the roster, i think a more suitable way of continueing to add Metroid to smash would be with another Stage. Would like to see more iconic metroid areas in smash.

>>14287334

>An F-Zero based on drifting

No.

Kill yourself.

I like Namco, but what games have they done similar to Metroid? Even Tecmo had more experience in that genre and they fucked it up. Unless they've bought From Software and I missed it, I am deeply concerned.

>>14287334

>F-zero based on drifting

Ah you mean momentum turbo sliding.

>>14301061

>Even Tecmo had more experience in that genre and they fucked it up

Wasn't that mainly because Sakamoto screwed them over with his creative control?

>>14302371

Other M's story retconning the other games is the least of its problems. Its writing is genuinely one of the most awful the entire medium has to offer.

>>14300886

>Ridley for smash is the same as making petey piranha for smash.

>>14287130

>"It was announced on 2 February 2018 that Hirai will step down as CEO of Sony and take up the position as chairman of the company "

baka

>>14288656

It better not or else ill be so mad

>>14301183

This I can live with, different ships with different handling, where you have to learn a technique to go sideways, but if it's press button to turn harder and make a drifting animation It's going to be shit.

>>14287140

>everyone wants to keep Samus as a silent protag who kicks ass and doesn't afraid of anything.

Only braindead aposematic gaymurrzzz were pissed because of the characterization of other M, the problem wasn't that they tried to give Samus some development and basic emotional responses like fear or attatchment, it was that the story was an incoherent mess and the way they portrayed Samus was cringe worthy through and through.

If you knew what you are talking about you would know that the "afraid of ridley" scene for example, is canon and happens pretty much like it did in the game, but is chronologically placed in the first metroid, the second time samus meets ridley after he killed and ate everyone in the planet but her, Sakamoto wanted to have that in here because he's a retard, but what makes the game a mess is the spaztic fanfiction tier direction and execution (and controls), not the depth they wanted to give samus, something like what they did in Fusion could have worked very well alongside a competent supervisor.

Vid related.

>>14314417

Ridge Racer was never Playstation exclusive anon. There was a Ridge Racer on the N64 even.

>>14314390

You contradict yourself in the same sentence. First you say only braindead gamurz were upset at the characterisation in Other M, and then you admit it was a complete shitshow that portrayed Samus as cringe-worthy.

Samus as an unstoppable force reacting to a distress signal/bounty notice is much more interesting, both from a lore perspective and a gameplay perspective (like reading Space Pirate communiques where they shit themselves that the Hunter has been spotted snooping around), than reading her diary and watching her have a melt-down in front of her father figure.

>>14314499

I am retarded, disregard that then.

>>14307492

So? Sm4sh was also shit, just not as much as Brawl.

>>14314508

There was also a port of that N64 game to the Nintendo DS.

>>14314390

Fuck off moviebob, I can smell your fat from here.

>>14315852

You mean like the intro to Smash Bros where Master Hand puts all the dolls on a table because they're all just puppets of Master Hand who is actually some kid playing with dolls in his room?

>>14291641

>>14291605

God this reminds me of the original Wipeout HD, pretty much the only reason I bought a PS3 over a 360.

When I heard about the Omega collection i was tempted to get a PS4 just for it again but had recently just got a PC.

How good is it??

think it will get ported to PC like Nioh was??

Guys please stop bullying Nintendo for not being able to make Ridley, it would be too hard for such a poor little company

Fuck Ridley, gimmie Ray 01

>>14304755

>Assault

>not the last decent Star Fox game

gr8 b8 m8

>>14315235

But how much of that was due to Namco, how much of that was Nintendo suits, and how much of that was due to Sakamoto? I doubt Namco were the ones that wanted so much Kid Icarus: Uprising dick sucking or to add the brand new Fire Emblem protag over other, more deserving Nintendo characters.

>>14317144

>sakamoto

Meant Sakurai.

>>14304755

I thought Assault was fun

>>14317808

It was fun, but it had problems, namely an over saturation of foot sections in re-purposed multiplayer stages.

>>14317144

Sakurai just pulled: "My game my bullshit rules" and added his Mary Sue.

>>14316396

It's the WipEout that you remember with a WipEout that you don't. The HD campaign has a couple extra ships…

BUT IN SOME REGIONS, YOU WON'T GET ONE OF THOSE SHIPS IF YOU BUY THE GAME PHYSICAL, ONLY DIGITAL.

I got know idea why they did this. Maybe to inflate digital sales, but the ship is on disc in America. It's just so stupid.

>>14321035

>it's actual AG racing

Yes, it is nearly identical to all those real anti-gravity races we have.

>>14288080

>disliking wipeout

I can smell the soy from here

GAS GAS GAS

>>14314390

The problem with other m's story is that it regressed the little characterization and growth Samus has had. After the first Metroid Samus really wasn't scared of anything anymore. She was actually feared by the space pirates because she as a single person wiped out an entire base.

>>14322897

I have played several wipeouts but have never really gotten into them. I don't hate them I just didn't get into it. Tell me how to change that.

>>14323036

Play them with friends or something. Maybe its just not for you, I personally love everything about the series.

>>14321082

The vita one yeah??

I played that too

So pretty much no point in me getting it.

Is that ship Van Uber or Tigris?

>>14323036

The later ones on PSP (Pure and Pulse) and PS3 (basically a HD remaster of select tracks from those games) imo are the best in the series.

Try those out if you have an emulator.

I know loads of people love Wip3out but the ships were a bit TOO floaty in that one for me.

>>14325502

I was thinking that these are the rules they should abide by in regards to selecting reps for Smash:

<A maximum of 5 reps to all series (With, at most, 2-3 additions from spin-offs)

<All "clone" characters become alternate costumes

<Only characters that have a guaranteed shot at returning were in at least 3 of the previous games

With that in mind, the characters who will be in the next Smash are:

>Donkey Kong

>Ness

>Captain Falcon

>Marth

>Mr. Game & Watch

>Kirby

>Samus

>Jigglypuff

>Pikachu

>Falco

>Fox

>Bowser

>Luigi

>Mario

>Peach

>Ganondorf

>Link

>Sheik

>Zelda

>Yoshi

Rearranging the Smash 4 roster with these rules in mind, here are all of the characters immediately removed/changed:

>Lucas becomes an alt. costume for Ness

>Lucina and Roy become an alt. costume for Marth

>Dark Pit becomes an alt. costume for Pit

>Geninja and/or Charizard are gone

>Bowser Jr., Wario, and/or Rosalina are gone

>Doctor Mario becomes an alt. costume

>Ganondorf (Unless they change his moveset) and Toon Link become an alt. costume

>Falco becomes an alt. costume

Right there, 13 characters are moved or altered. If we were to also consider the previous games:

>Pichu becomes an alt. costume

>Wolf becomes an alt. costume

>Young Link becomes an alt. costume

Now, to throw your selection into the mix:

>Ridley can happen

>Ray 01 can happen

<K. Rool may not appear

>Lip can appear

>Black Shadow becomes an alt. costume

>Geninja, Charizard, and Lucario may leave

>Giygas may happen

>The Miis and the guest characters may leave

>Zelda, Shiek, ZSS, and Samus stay

<Wario may not appear

>>14316583

By waiting for the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout to inevitably leak and trigger Bethcucks with spoilers.

ridley is literally too big for smash. like, he is 4x as tall as all of the other characters. they're not going to shrink down a character whose entire point is that he's a giant dragon thing. he would have a shit moveset, too.

>>14304755

star fox assault is fine compared to fucking command