37d6e4 No.14267328
What are some games that feature weapons beyond the common ones like standard European swords, katana, spears, maces, and the like?
It doesn't have to be exclusively exotics they just have to be an option.
d175bc No.14267350
Fallout 4 has a great weapon variety exclusive only to the Fallout series! You can craft your weapons to meet your own needs and beat your enemies with rare and exotic loadouts!
37d6e4 No.14267355
>>14267340
It's not exactly what I was thinking of but I'm OK with this sort of thing too. Combo weapons are a whole interesting topic by themselves.
bc3014 No.14267449
I always thought swords made out of two partially ionized 'blades' of free moving electron based gas held in a blade-like form by two small magnetic-field generators built into the handle of the weapon were waaay cool exotic cuhrazy
1bcd46 No.14267558
Nioh has the Kusarigama, as well as tonfas.
f2131d No.14267601
>>14267328
Why go for weird exotic weapons when so few games manage to get the traditional ones right?
>tfw no game gets spears right
>tfw even if the animations and attacks are good the damage is shit compared to every other weapon in game
Anyways just play Nioh or something Op
e5dbd0 No.14267603
3bc345 No.14267627
Are there any games that do whips right? With grappling and tying your enemy up? Every game that I've played that included them was just press button to smash your opponent, might was well have been smashing them with a melee weapon instead.
37d6e4 No.14267636
>>14267558
>Nioh
That's what gave me an apatite for fancy weapons to start with. Kusarigama was my favorite weapon in the game and not just for how overpowered it is. Tonfa needed another couple of armors but they were fun.
>>14267601
Nioh really should have split spears into three different weapon classes, yari, naginata, and bo.
e6879a No.14267658
Neverwinter nights has a separate category for exotic weapons
b7c52a No.14267926
>>14267328
It sucks how in most games melee weapons feel the same as if using any other melee weapon. DaS series pissed me off with this shit with its supposed "depth" of gameplay. If you're going to have different melee weapons, why not make them have distinctly different playstyles, and have the enemies actually react to what they're being hit with? Implement stuff like having focus on killing from a distance, having enemies grappled, choked or bleeding, knocking them back if they get hit with a huge weapon, and having the enemy be aware of what weapon it is that you're using so they approach you differently. I would love to see how using a kusarigama or nunchakus would look like with this approach.
875635 No.14270113
>>14267601
Fucking nobody even bothers with spears. That fucking makes me rage so hard, even in settings where its appropriate. Looking at you Skyrim.
Fuck you, your shit combat and your stupid lazy fucking devs.
2e59c1 No.14270150
>>14267601
Spears are mass-unit formation weapons anon. Most action games make you play a single character. In a duel, a man armed with a spear would lose against a man armed with a sword.
875635 No.14270306
>>14270150
What are, short spears, hunting spears, throwing spears… come on. Most of the shit you are fighting in a game like Skyrim are bears or larger. You'd switch weapons.
That and throwing weapons in general.
712ac5 No.14270310
>>14270150
>over simplified generalization
You're talking out of your ass anon. Its never as simple as X weapon would beat Y. What type of spear is it? What type of sword is it? What is the terrain you're fighting on? What is the skill level of the individuals in the fight? What kind of armor are they wearing?
Spears, pikes and various pole arms are often used as formation weapons because they're cheaper to produce, require less training to become effective with and keep more distance between you and your opponent. That doesn't mean that individuals who dedicate training in their use are always at a disadvantage against an opponent with a sword.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59fG9QlTdwQ
71549b No.14270314
>>14270305
wheel best weapon in vidya
487341 No.14270329
>>14270150
>in duel
okay this is a strange context but let's go with it
>a man armed with a spear would lose against a man armed with a sword
Based on fucking what?
[citation needed]
The point of a spear is to keep the enemy at a distance. As long as the spear user is poking away and keeping distance, the swordsman is going to bleed out before he can begin to lash the speardude. In the same way, if they are in close quarters, the swordsman will be able to bludgeon the spearman with his pommel and gouge into his armor with the cross guard, but then you have to come to the understanding that not every weapon is perfect in absolutely every context. Saying shit like "x weapon is better than y weapon," is retarded because there's a lot more to take into account than just a weapon's lone ability.
>>14270314
I wish I could use wheels in more vidya.
a83269 No.14270337
>>14267601
what's the last game that had quarterstaves as a viable melee weapon?
487341 No.14270346
>>14270337
Any soul calibur game.
2e59c1 No.14270363
>>14270329
As soon as the man with the sword gets past the spearhead, the spearman can't attack and has to move or reposition his spear. Swords are generally better at swinging too: the swordsman can knock the spear about, but the spearman can't knock the sword about. When it comes to small skirmishes, spears aren't too good. They're great when you have a whole bunch of them though.
487341 No.14270390
>>14270363
>Oh no this guy with a sword got past my spear head
>better reel it back and stab at a slightly closer range
2e59c1 No.14270419
>>14270390
Do you know how fucking awkward that is though? Take a pole, and hold it just a bit away from the end. Even with two hands, it's just not a natural grip. You've removed the real drawing-point of the spear.
487341 No.14270518
>>14270419
>hold a spear under the shoulder like you're supposed to, held in the main hand
>in your off hand you hold it further up to create force behind the blows while your main hand guides it from under the arm
it's like your only understanding of weapons has come from video games. You don't just stab with a spear with no technique.
712ac5 No.14270553
>>14270363
>As soon as the man with the sword gets past the spearhead, the spearman can't attack
Maybe if he's backed up against a wall and has no where to move. Otherwise he just steps back, or uses the haft of the spear to control his opponent.
>Swords are generally better at swinging too
>thinking the thing with less mass and reach is better at swinging
>the swordsman can knock the spear about, but the spearman can't knock the sword about
Why exactly is a spear incapable of parrying or deflecting a sword?
When ever /v/ talks about melee weapons there's always this guy who makes broad claims about ancient weapons fighting techniques who's entire knowledge base is from playing shit video games.
eba20c No.14270573
>>14270534
DUDE THAT IS SO COOL.
This thread was posted and you saw the thread and decided, "I will now type to this guy and share my thoughts even though I don't have to."
Fucking hell that's cool. We can all just talk to each other instantly no matter where we are in the world. It's almost knee shakingly stupendous when you truly think about it.
I'm more fascinated with peoples' motive to comment on anything. It's like they are being nice even though they don't have to.
0713f3 No.14270586
>>14267328
What about of scifi variety?
07d19a No.14270595
>>14270329
Nice text, but reality begs to differ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM
Spears are basically OP IRL. The only reason people used swords is because they're small, lightweight, and can do a variety of tasks rather than just thrusting. They're more of a secondary weapon than anything else.
Although, I don't know shit about how greatswords/zweihanders/etc fare against spears, so there's that.
712ac5 No.14270628
>>14267328
>Tfw there's no urban, open world, action RPG that lets you take on the role of an Edo period Samurai Thief-taker, roaming the country side using your tsukubō and jitte to capture criminals and bring peace to the city
eba20c No.14270634
>>14270595
Swords are generally boring items used by savages
712ac5 No.14270680
Swords get their popularity because of their role as status symbols and their frequent use as personal self defense weapons. Swords cost more to make and thus are associated with the affluent or those with higher social standing. Since they're smaller they're easier to carry around. They filled the role equivalent to a daily-carry side arm. Just like how you're not likely to carry a long rifle with you every day you wouldn't carry around your polearm, but you can carry a sword relatively easily at your side to deal with criminals if necessary.
Spears are battlefield weapons. They're the thing you break out first when you are expecting a fight. You carry your sword as a backup if your spear fails or if you aren't expecting to need to use your spear. That's not to say Spears are "the best" weapon to use in a fight. It's all about situation and necessity. What are you trying to accomplish? Figure that out then pick the best tool for the job.
eba20c No.14270691
>>14270680
Melee weapons are not warfare weapons. They are only used by savages. Guns are for men. Your shit is for animals
1ecdc8 No.14270702
>>14270628
Wouldn't a large row of spikes that be less effective than a normal polearm? It would disperse the energy out along multiple points.
eba20c No.14270712
eba20c No.14270716
>>14270699
That was a transitory period where men became actual men and no longer had to beat each other with sharp objects like chimps.
712ac5 No.14270720
>>14270702
The spikes on the tsukubo are designed to entangle the loose clothing worn by people in feudal japan. They're intended use is to immobilize limbs through joint locks and entanglement so you can capture the person you're fighting alive.
e8e817 No.14270731
>>14270702
You're correct, but that's not a killing weapon.
8c90e4 No.14270732
That playstation stealth assassin ninja game Tenchu had some exotic weapons
712ac5 No.14270741
>>14270720
The Europeans employed similar weapons to capture/control criminals.
dade11 No.14270796
>>14270691
I dunno man, I do like my shashka a lot.
e57abe No.14270824
Reminder that the Romans used swords to conquer all the spearcuck countries.
712ac5 No.14270849
>>14270824
This is true. Though the argument could be made that it was their unit fighting tactics and logistical infrastructure that did all the heavy lifting in making that possible. Still it is a fact the gladius was the main weapon of one of the most successful armies in world history.
2030b4 No.14270866
>>14270824
>>14270849
This is glossing over the fact that the Roman armies had pilum (read: javelins) as primary weapons as well. Earlier Roman armies had actual spears as primary weapons as well.
1ecdc8 No.14270875
>>14270824
But the Romans used polearms as well, not just swords.
712ac5 No.14270897
>>14270875
>>14270866
And big crossbows to lob giant darts at filthy barbarian savages.
712ac5 No.14270942
I think it's time for battle yo-yos to make a come back in video games.
1ecdc8 No.14270946
>>14270897
The Celts were probably nowhere near as savage as the Romans made them out to be, but it does make for funny memes.
712ac5 No.14270954
>>14270946
The Celts were alright. I'd still rather live in a Roman city than a Celtic one if forced to live in that time period.
6661f4 No.14270956
>>14270716
>Real men don't fight each other up close
>They carry tiny portable cannons and perforate each other with small bits of lead while hiding behind objects at extreme distances
Archery was a mistake
487341 No.14270979
>>14270699
>games with guns attached to swords or spears or other melee weapons
>very little games with bayonets to transform guns into polearms
83993d No.14270980
>>14270956
A real man dispaches of his enemies efficiently, so that he remains unharmed, allowing him to raise and provide for his children unhindered by injury.
6661f4 No.14270998
>>14270980
>A real man experiences no danger and overcomes no fear, ensuring that the genetics of his progeny are incapable of facing and overcoming fear due to epigenetics
Get strong, coward. You pass on tendency through your genes.
712ac5 No.14271004
>>14270980
>>14270956
>>14270998
>Implying there isn't manliness in all forms of combat
6cde93 No.14271006
>>14271004
Varying levels. >>14270998 is right.
76a05b No.14271088
>>14270534
Ragnarok Online had one'a those, at least.
03aca0 No.14271219
>>14270998
Can thoughts and fears be transferred via genetics?
Maybe I’m just retarded and haven’t been keeping up with science but this sounds really dodgy, like “Jews saying that Holocaust trauma is being past genetically to the younger generations.” Dodgy.
6661f4 No.14271255
>>14271219
Google "Epigenetics" and do your own research.
I worded what I wrote very carefully so you would do just that but you want spoonfeeding. Why do you trust an anonymous man to feed you with a spoon?
As far as I know genetics are just a "tendency towards" certain traits, but not a certainty of them, epigenetics is said to be what could potentially flip the switch either direction. Thoughts are probably too complex to transmit through genetics but who knows.
411c58 No.14271302
>>14271219
Anecdotal evidence, but my fear of heights is definitely genetic. My father was, and my brother is, I couldn't even pick him up higher than my chest without him freaking out. Given that neither of us had much interaction with him in our youth it isn't a learned behavior.
Heard a theory once that the cause is having an ancestor surviving a giant bird attack.
17aaa9 No.14271316
>>14270716
>the soldiers fighting the war weren't real men
<real men fight with unmanned drones piloted by women
>>14270954
I would only live in Rome if I was rich. Plebs weren't shy about throwing their waste out their sixth story windows. Sort of like modern day Berlin.
>>14270980
>>14270998
>tfw you never got a bragging scar
6661f4 No.14271356
>>14271316
>real men fight with unmanned drones
We're already there. Right now somewhere in Nevada some traumatized fuck who just splattered a hadji that he's been tracking and watching for weeks is about to go home to his nagging fat wife so she can bitch at him for not mowing the lawn.
Modern times are some crazy shit.
433e51 No.14271367
>>14271316
>battle scars
hey,there's "bravery" and then there's real bravery :^)
265008 No.14271440
Exotic weapons in D&D are just a miscellaneous catagory for newbs to waste a feat on. 5e just treats exotics as martial weapons. Which exotics are all home brew weapons anyway.
Now if you want a truly exotic weapon I say go with Felix's magic bag stuff. I'm a sucker for suit-cases or any bag that has a variety of weapons inside. Curse of the Sinistrals was shit, but Tia's Baroque Bags has grappling hooks, chainsaws, lawnmowers, and boxing glove weapons. Plus the bag can cast spells. Too bad in game the suitcase doesn't wave a wand.
265008 No.14271454
>>14271440
Forgot pic related.
424e26 No.14271501
>>14271367
This is always a fun read. Is there any more, did it kill itself?
433e51 No.14271518
>>14271501
there's approximately a 46% national average chance that it did
bbc663 No.14271625
The breach pistol is pretty unique. It's a one-shot pistol that functions sorta like a grenade launcher mixed with a flare gun. You can replace the ammo to make it a one-shot shotgun that kills pretty much anything it connects with.
f0cbae No.14271650
8548f5 No.14271669
The Gun Blade from FF was was actual thing. A wacky navy britbong had one iirc.
1451a4 No.14271690
>>14267328
Borderlands Guns are FUN
1e45bb No.14271709
>>14270741
DaS1 has one of those.
>>14271690
Borderlands guns look like what a gradeschooler thinks a cool gun should be like. They feel wimpy as shit, too.
433e51 No.14271710
>>14271669
fuck your gunblades,gunshields is where it's at
50013d No.14271719
>>14271709
demon never dropped one for me, so I don't know, but does the game call it man catcher? It lacks the mechanism that allows entry, but no exit.
>>14271710
tricked out lantern shields, too
d43122 No.14271756
I'm a mesoameriaboo so here's games that have Macuahuitl in them:
>Mortal Kombat X (Kotal Kahn uses one in his War God variation)
>Aztez
>Assassins Creed Liberation/HD
>FFXIV, XI, and some other FF MMO's/spinoffs
>Any Warhanmmer game with the Lizardmen, as most of their weapons are based on macuahuitl or similar weapons
>Expeditions conquistador
>The Civilization, Age of Empires, etc series; unique aztec units use them
>Guacamelee: Jaguar Javier uses one and his coostume allows you to use one
There's more (I'm pretty sure I saw a Create a character with one from a soul calubur game) but this is all that I can remember at the moment. I'm also excluding shit games/games I think look shit, like Aztek; or games where only random cannon fodder enemies use them and they aren't so common that it's worth noting
d43122 No.14271758
>>14271709
>Borderlands guns look like what a gradeschooler thinks a cool gun should be like. They feel wimpy as shit, too.
The legendary/unique guns in borderlands are great though, as are certain normal types like Mashers in BL1.
22007c No.14272012
>>14271756
So it's like a large cleaver with "razorblades" at short intervals?
a83269 No.14272020
>>14272012
It's only real purpose is to be a pseudo sword in settings/time periods that doesn't have access to at least bronze age materials.
fd34c5 No.14272026
>>14271367
>"what the hell am I doing, this is wrong, my body isn't supposed to have a vagina"
>transtrending so hard you give yourself actual gender dysphoria
37d6e4 No.14272087
>>14272020
It's also generally thought that it was meant to do devastating
but less than lethal damage so there would be more people to sacrifice after the battle
>>14270979
>transform guns into polearms
cfc263 No.14272177
>>14271088
Diablo 2 had one as well. There was a unique version called the "Jade tan do" or something.
2c551c No.14272200
>>14270534
Found in Castlevania. It's generally the strongest weapon Taki can wield in SC.
1e45bb No.14272274
>>14271719
It's called Titanite Catch Pole. I think the moveset is mostly like a halberd, but it has a unique jumping attack if I remember correctly.
>>14271758
They're not really, though. The guns look and feel like nerf guns. Slapping extra modifiers on them doesn't change the sounds and animations being unsatisfying and the enemies being bulletsponges.
Mashers would be cool in any other game, but Borderlands just feels like shit to play.
1e9be1 No.14272314
>>14272012
It's obsidian blades, they cut like a motherfucker.
d07fbd No.14272319
>>14270956
>go to war with your buttbuddies and poke at each with the longest spears you could carry
>up close
9fd8a6 No.14272352
>>14272087
>>14270979
i just wish there would be a space marine esque game where you play as custodian.
Look at those madass weapons
37d6e4 No.14272378
>>14272352
The Guardian Spear is the best damn weapon of all of 40k. I'd love to have one in real life even.
433e51 No.14272621
>>14272314
>they cut like a motherfucker
yes and they shatter like glass when they clash with any weapon that is not made from paper,but i guess they're ok against some unarmed naked peasant
>>14271756
>no sound
37d6e4 No.14272655
>>14272621
Well they are designed to be replaceable.
06938d No.14272677
Someone post the FFT pizza cutter
11b1df No.14272679
Nothing will beat giving your enemies a damned good paddling!
433e51 No.14272702
>>14272655
in the mid of a fight?
37d6e4 No.14272745
>>14272702
Of course not but you have to consider two other things. One, when obsidian breaks it just makes more sharp obsidian and two, they were both wielded by and used on people who were wearing animal skins in battle.
>>14272677
eba20c No.14272748
>>14270741
Why are they hurting that guy in your picture?
>>14272745
Post more like that first picture. It looks pretty
42caee No.14272757
>>14272745
I see, no matter how cool a character is, a single pizza cutter sword is enough to make it retarded
655048 No.14272769
>>14272702
well no, but the main purpose of aztec warfare was not to kill your enemy, but to capture him. Soldiers rose in rank and even their "nobility" the more live captives they could provide to the temples, to the point they trained with this weapons to make sure their enemies were wounded but alive and only went for the kill when there was no other choice. Blood for the Blood God.
There's also the fact that the average mesoamerican soldier was very lightly armored with their shields as their more efective way to avoid damage. against the steel of the spanish rodeleros and conquistadors the obsidian had no hope but it was still useful against horses and there are several accounts of aztec warriors decapitating horses with one swing and then finishing it's rider by cutting their throats.
d9d0c1 No.14272770
>>14272745
I will say that if you made some kind of obsidian explosive…perhaps an obsidian pipebomb that would be pretty fucking brutal.
ac1633 No.14272774
>>14271690
inb4 triggered /k/ responses
448872 No.14272789
>>14272774
That knife always cracks me the fuck up, nevermind the cylinder
e99a0d No.14272790
>>14271690
>>14272774
Besides the fact that 99% of them look retarded, about the same amount of them feel underpowered and weak in general.
655048 No.14272799
>>14272770
could work, obsidian found naturally can be far more sharp than steel
388fde No.14272803
>>14270980
He says while posting on a malaysian pornography board.
37d6e4 No.14272804
>>14272774
Every fucking trick weapon in Bloodborne is more realistic than this shit.
1ecdc8 No.14272838
>>14272799
Obsidian is also extremely brittle, unlike steel.
42caee No.14272864
>>14272799
It would be not as effective as one with steel shrapnel, obsidian is brittler than steel, it would be cracked or shattered during the explosion, the only advantage being lighter, so pieces of it could hit farther
d9d0c1 No.14272876
>>14272864
Same thing with glass though. Glass shrapnel shatters correct? Imagine being an EMT or surgeon trying to fish out pieces of shrapnel that shatters every time you get tweezers on it or get near it. Glass is probably one of the best things to use to utter fuck a person from being saved.
37d6e4 No.14272970
>>14272748
Aztecs had the most hardcore fursuiters ever.
42caee No.14272980
>>14272970
4th pic look like piñatas
1ecdc8 No.14272992
>>14272970
>Mexicans were degenerate even in ancient times
927342 No.14273007
Which games (apart from Bloodborne) let me fight with a weaponised walking stick?
53627f No.14273053
>>14273007
Found the potatonigger.
e4a60e No.14273085
>>14272970
I want that taste and design but in steel. Sort of alternate history like
> Get assess kicked due to Spanish steel.
> Barely maintain control after victory
> Pool all research into metallurgy
> Europe invasion in colorful steel fursuits with feathers and shells.
927342 No.14273092
708b7e No.14273114
>>14273085
Found the corn-nigger. If it makes you feel any better, beaners are just finno-ugric rape babies who them promptly got raped again by spaniards.
1ecdc8 No.14273132
>>14273007
I think New Vegas has a cane weapon.
bbc663 No.14273320
>>14273007
Payday 2
Don't do it
265008 No.14273380
>>14272789
Is Rance's dick an exotic weapon or an erotic weapon?
1ecdc8 No.14273827
>>14273320
Payday 2 also has an Irish character, so he could become the full potato.
76a05b No.14273852
>>14273007
Age of Wushu
Also don't do it seriously beggar is suffering
655048 No.14273973
>>14273852
>implying spraying your opponents with regurgitaded alcohol to set them on fire isnt the coolest shit
37d6e4 No.14273974
>>14273007
Chrono Cross but that's probably not the kind of game you're looking for.
bf40d6 No.14274039
>>14272774
I am not /k/ but at least this one screams absurd. F3 shotgun was meant to be real weapon.
>>14271690
>bulletsponge the game
>guns that tickle enemies to death
>fun
a8d4f9 No.14274367
>>14273007
Mount and Blade: Warband has Quarter Staves.
487341 No.14274666
>>14272970
>3rd pic
>warrior
>mystic knight
>barbarian
b13d6c No.14274761
>>14272970
I could believe the clothing made out of jaguars and other beast that is in America but that weird wizard suit in the third picture makes me doubt the validity of these images. Also what is with the one piece clothes in the second pick?
49625b No.14274782
>>14272970
Did the ancient aztecs predict this?
49625b No.14274796
>>14274761
The wizard suit was probably great camouflage in the jungle.
487341 No.14274866
>>14274796
Animals fear the old blood
because their eyes are yet to open
so you must wear eyes on the outside of your clothing
49625b No.14274916
>>14274866
It's more about breaking up your outline and matching the spotty shadows in the jungle, but that is a sick ass quote. Is it from lovecraft?
a6d811 No.14274970
>>14267350
You look very familiar, Rod.
Have we met somewhere before?
487341 No.14275038
>thinking that kindergartener tier line was out of a lovecraft
It hurts, /v/
49625b No.14275042
>>14275038
It said old blood, and I've never read any.
487341 No.14275063
>>14275042
>I've never read any
you honestly could have fooled everyone on the planet, bud
49625b No.14275071
>>14275063
Well what's it from anyway? Bloodborne?
a6d811 No.14275101
>>14272774
>that fucking magazine
bfef69 No.14275167
>>14273007
>gta sa
>the lord of the rings: the fellowship of the ring
>the ship
I can only remember these 3
f403aa No.14275194
Well, a Bo staff isn't that exotic, now is it? It's just a big stick. Little John had a Bo except he called it a quarterstaff (and quite frankly, he was a chump for using it. He should have gotten with the times and had a crossbow).
f403aa No.14275223
>>14272774
I think I understand the design process behind these guns:
>Find some gangly numales at a microbrewery.
>Ask them to draw the deadliest gun they can imagine.
>Use their pictures as references for weapons in BL2.
918bfc No.14275310
>>14270573
i mean this guy, this guy is the nigger. and not me. clearly him. nigger.
de57d2 No.14275940
>>14275071
It's from Grapes of Wrath
49625b No.14275946
>>14275940
Huh, I even read that but didn't recognize it.
75270b No.14276016
>>14272970
>Warrior Priest
Besides the Aztecs and Sohei which other civilizations did this? I like the idea of warrior monks/priests
61040a No.14276080
Terraria lets you attack with yoyos and a bunch of other crazy shit.
37d6e4 No.14276210
>>14274761
>>14274666
> but that weird wizard suit in the third picture makes me doubt the validity of these images.
Apparently it's accurate.
The Aztecs are neck and neck with Japan in the weird and ornate battle gear department.
c66f4f No.14276252
>>14272970
>1st pic
We Wuz Aztec
51ee73 No.14276300
>>14276016
Plenty of European nations had bishops who lead (Vatican and other) troops into battle. There isn't much combat in it, but there's a manga called Cesare about one of them.
d43122 No.14277041
Oh jesus I should have been watching this thread closer after I posted the macuahuitl stuff, people posted a ton of misinformation
>>14272012
It's essentially a combination of a club and a sword: The flat faces would be used for bludgeoning and parrying other weapons, the edges are lined with obsidian razors and are used for cutting.
As others have said, Obsidian is ridiculously sharp: You can get the edges down to literally a single molecule thick. The disadvantage iis that, being a type of naturally occuring glass, it's more brittle then a metal edge…
>>14272621
>>14272838
…But not as brittle as you guys imply. they'd certainly need to be replaced regularly, but assuming they are being made right, they wouldn't be so brittle that they'd shatter the moment you used it on anything. This video, for instance, shows a guy using a shittily, inaccurately made replica macuahutil some chick makes to sell on etsy to cut a whole chicken in half, and the blow also cracks the surface the chicken is resting on, and there's minimal damage to the blades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHxcPz3Vm8
Also, as >>14272876 points out, when they did chip and shatter, it was also an intentional element of the weapon, as shards would be left in the wounds, making it debilitating and more painful, makiing it easier for them to be captured, since…
>>14272087
>>14272769
As these posts explain, capturing enemy soliders was a key part of Aztec warefare, as well as the warfare of relatted cultures. But UNLIKE what these posts say, it was not the sole point: Mesoamerica in general had as much and as complex geopolitical shit as europe or asia did: There was very much real warring for territory, resources, and political control, and the Aztecs were hardcore military expansionists: They would fight to the death and for real in normal wars and battles. Capturing enemy soldiers for sacrifice was mainly done after the enemy line was broken and in panic (since Mesoamerica did acttually have organized armies and fought in formation like in ancient warfare in europe or asia) and victory was assured anyways, or as part of particular battles called Flower Wars that were pre-arranged with another political state that shared the same sort of religious and cultural background of the Aztecs ahead of time and were designed for that purpose.
I could do a whole other post on Human sacrifice and how it related to warefare for the Aztecs, but the bottom line is that the two were heavily, heavily intertwined for them, and the Aztecs in particular used the concept of captives for sacrifice as a tool to justify their own military expansionism and used flower wars as a tool of militarisc and political intimidation, showing off their might/ to weaker states and getting a steady supply of captives to sacrifice to show off their piety and make themselves look more like hardcore badasses doing so (they even inflated their own numbers of the people they sacrificed for those reasons) to keep them in line, keep their own soldiers trained, have also used them as extended sieges and wars of attrition by essentially getting a state they wanted to conquer to agree to them, and over time ramp up how aggressive and "for real" the battle was (as opposed to being purely rituallistic), weakening and wearing them down over time. The Aztec were doing tthis to the Tlaxcala (a confederacy of city states that operated as a collective republic, complete with a senate) for instance when the Spanish showed up, and the Tlaxcala allied with the Spanish after intially cornering them, since they realized the Spanish could be used against the Aztecs.
>>14272020
Mesoamerica *did* have bronze age materials: Copper was commonly worked, and Bronze was in western mesoamerica, such as by the Tarascan/Purepecha empire to the Aztec's northwest. Copper and Bronze tools were used for domestic and agriculture purposes (obviously not as common as wood or stone ones though), just not for military use.
I suspect that the lack of beasts of burden was a factor for why: Given they had no horses or oxen or mules, anything brought on a military campaign needed to be carried by a soldier themselves or by porters, so having lighter materials was preferable. Also, if a metal tool broke while on campaign, replacing it would be much harder then repairing or replacing obsidian blades or wooden cores to a macuahuitl or other weapons.
1/2?
d43122 No.14277055
>>14277041
cont:
>>14272621
>>14272970
>>14272745
>>14272980
>>14272992
>>14274761
>>14276252
>>14276315
On these notes, Aztecs didn't just fight unarmored or naked or just in decorative garb or animal: The fursuits you guys are talking about were actually constructed armor: There was a undersuit (Ichcahuipilli), either a vest, and shirt that extended down over the thighs and upper legs, or a full body onsie, that was the main part of the armor that was made of various fibers of different thicknesses and materials woven into layers sort of like kevlar, which was soaked in brine or other mineral rich water, so when it dried, there would be crystalization inside the armor. It was apparently highly effective, since the majority of conquistadors that had breastplates or other steel armor abandoned it in favor of this, since it was still effective but lighter and more suited to the climate.
On top of that, higher ranked soldiers would also then have a second layer (Tlahuiztli) made of feathers, cotton, or in some cases (but not typically) animal skins, and these were the decorative onside suits you guys are seeing. Typically they'd be designed after an animal or specific mythological creature, and the specifiic color and design was a rank indication. You also had helmets and shields made out of wood, leather, animal skins, and feather as well. The pages i've been dumping also mention a similar second (or maybe third, even on top of the Tlahuiztli) layer called the Ēhuatl, but i'm not sure what that is.
Most of this is applicable not just for the Aztecs, but for all of their neighbors, if not for the majority of mesoamerica in general.
>>14276016
>>14276300
>>14276315
If you want, I can dump some resources and images that explain the actual different ranks of the Aztec military and what each uniform meant. I don't think I can fit it into this post, since I already had to split it up, but let me know if you or anybody else wants it. In the meantime I've been dumping fullsize, more detailed images of the set that the third image in>>14272970 is from. I also have scans of the book the 2nd and 4th images are from, so let me know if you or anybody else wants that.
Worth noting that "Aztec" is a really misleading term: The people most people think of when "Aztec" is said is more accurately the Mexica, which were the specific people in/who founded Tenochtitlan and it's sister city Tlatelolco (which was later absorbed by Tenochtitlan). Tenochtitlan/Tlatelolco, and then the cities of Texcoco and Tlacopan together formed a triple alliiance, and they and all the territory they controlled as tributaries is what tthe "Aztec empire" (with tenochtitlan acting as the de facto captial, since it had the most influence and political power) is, so when somebody says "Aztec" it is not uncommonly also/instead talking about people/stuff from Texcoco or Tlacopan, or even any city or area inside the territory the triple alliance composed; but most often people (including me in this post, for instance) are just talking about the Mexica/Tenochtitlan.
These images that i've been dumping seem to use "Aztec", "Mexica', and "Triple Alliance" interchangedly for Mexica troops; but in the discriptions "Aztec" seems to be used exclusively to mean "Mexica"; though for the more lighty armored/low rank troops what they had would likely look the same regardless of the specific state/culture in mind. Also, note that it says the Tlaxcallans supplied 24,000 troops to the Spanish, but I think this is a low end estimate: The total number of native troops on the spanish side during the siege of Tenochttitlan I hear the most is around 200,000, and the Tlaxcallans would have made up the bulk of that. I also unforantely don'tt have scans of the page with the Aztec priest/Jaguar and eagle warrior with labels or discriptions in high res, so I had to post it without it, and also didn't have a page with discriptions for the Zapotec image.
d43122 No.14277066
>>14277055
Wrapping up the last of the set from the half of Mesoamerica that the Aztecs were on. There's also another 3 images, one for the Maya, and 2 for the Inca, but the Maya are sort of in their own half of the region and are distinct enough from the rest that I don't feel the need to post it, and the Inca are on another continent entirely
d43122 No.14277123
>>14277055
> I also unforantely don'tt have scans of the page with the Aztec priest/Jaguar and eagle warrior with labels or discriptions in high res, so I had to post it without it, and also didn't have a page with discriptions for the Zapotec image.
This was in reference to the last 2 images in >>14277066 iin case it wasn't clear.
Polite sage since i've already posted enough times in a row and the thread doesn't need to be bumped again.
37d6e4 No.14279596
>>14277055
>>14277041
>>14277066
This was very interesting and much appreciated anon.
49625b No.14279678
>>14277055
>>14277041
>>14277066
Are you an archeologist or something? If you're not you should be, I think you'd enjoy it.
d43122 No.14280086
>>14279678
I'd love to be but
A: I'm 2poor for college, let alone an actually good college and to do graduate stuff and get a PHD, which is basically required to do major on the ground stuff
B: I don't live anywhere near Mexico.
49625b No.14280103
>>14280086
You should try to get a job at a museum or something. Many people can get into high positions even without a degree, just by working hard and climbing the ladder. Also you don't need to live near mexico silly, most people seldom actually go to the sites and just examine artifacts (which is a bit of a shame cause it sounds fun).
b45c36 No.14280124
>>14267350
Thanks! I was looking for a new game to purchase at retail price. Does Fallout 4 have DLC I can purchase at full retail price too?
e3090b No.14280470
>>14271316
>Plebs weren't shy about throwing their waste out their sixth story windows
Nigga they used to keep store their urine and use it for everything from washing clothes to mouthwash. It got to the point where the Roman government had to instate a urine tax. Whenever you see a white toga in a movie or painting depicting Rome, keep in mind that the toga was made white by the pneumonia produced by fermented urine.
758abd No.14280509
>>14270595
> I don't know shit about how greatswords/zweihanders/etc fare against spears,
They turns spears into sub-par quarterstaves. Their explicit purpose was to counter pikemen.
c45430 No.14280517
>>14267350
Cool,i'm gonna go pirate it right now,thanks!
75270b No.14280722
>>14277041
>>14277055
>>14277066
Oh shit, mesoamerican anon is here; please bless us with more cool Aztec history
Do you have any more knowledge about their weapons? besides the ones previously posted
d43122 No.14280848
>>14280722
Other mesoamerican weapons are even less common in games, so I don't really think I could post about them without it being off topic, and I got a warning in another thread for reufting a /pol/tard and it turning into an off topic thing so i'd rather not go on a whole triade that's not about the thread subject; which is why I never ended up dumpng the other stuff about the rank system I said I would earlier in the thread (if somebody still wants me to let me know and i'll imgur/pastebin it)
Plus, I simply just don't know as much about other weapons used as the Macuahuitll, which has a lot more posted about it. Also, I haven't gone to bed in 48 hours and am exhausted.
To jump off the other mesoamerican weapons in the games I mentioned before though, both Aztez and Kotal Kahn in MKX feature ceremonial daggers called Tecpatl. These were made from a single piece of obsidian or flint with a handle attached, and the handle was often ornately carved and inlaid. They were mainly used for religious stuff, including human sacrifice, but less fancy ones (or more fancy if it was a king, I imagine) would be used as a weapon of last resort in battle. (though Kotal's tecpatl has a wooden core with obsidian bits on the side like a mini, thin macuahuitl, which isn't accurate)
You can also see Tepoztopilli in the background of Kotal Kahn's throne room in MKX (seen on the left here on the first image), which were wooden melee spears that like macuahiitl, had a wooden core and then obsidian razors on the edges. Apparently they weren't just used as stabbing weapons like normal spears, but were used to slash with as well. Lastly, Aztez also has a spear weapon, but it's not a Tepoztopilli and doesn't seem to be based oon anything in paticular; and it also has a club, but I know very, very litttle about different types of aztec clubs and maces other then basically what wikipedia says.
Ross Hassig's Aztec Warefare: Imperial Expansion and Political Control is pretty much *the* book on Mesoamerican, partcularly aztec military stuff, so you should probably check that out.
75270b No.14280917
>>14280848
I'll give it a read. Thanks anon
d43122 No.14281052
37d6e4 No.14281154
I'm now imagining a Mesoamerican Nioh type game set during the first Spanish contact.
36572f No.14281170
>>14281154
>you stopped the human sacrifices and whoops now the sun's gone out
e2dbbc No.14281276
>>14277066
>that guy in the fourth pic with the six fingered checkems stick
wew
d43122 No.14281350
>>14281154
>>14281170
A mesoamerican souls game would work insanely well, most Aztec gods are basically already fit to be bloodboorne bosses, the mythology is absoluttely battshitt, but tthat's another topic for another thread
b13d6c No.14282047
>>14280086
Try using edx, coursera or any other free online classes, get the certification that you done the classes (though you may have to pay for that but if you cannot just show your proof that you did studied). You can also try writing books about what you know and try writing in in a simpler layman terms to reach a wider audience; hell you can even write fiction and get history buffs and weapon fanatics to be interested in it and get good advertisement out of it.
Also, where did they get the dye for the wizard costume? Both the black and white.
d43122 No.14282729
>>14282047
The costume you are talking about was a Tlahuiztli layer (see >>14277055) so I assume that it wasn't dyed, and the featheres the suit is sewn together with were just that coolor.
We actually have some remaining examples of Aztec featherwork, guess i'll post those, also https://hyperallergic.com/273305/plumage-of-the-saints-aztec-feather-art-in-the-age-of-colonialism/
dc798a No.14285880
>>14270337
You can use quarterstaffs and lead rods to great effect in Exanima.
d43122 No.14286041
>>14285958
I like all of Mesoamerica, including the Maya, I just personally think the Aztecs are the coolest mainly due to how rad Tenochtitlan was.
The Maya definitely had a more developed writing system and were likely the better mathematicians of the two, but I would argue the Aztecs had the more complex political and adminstrative systems: The maya were mostly limited to a purely monarchical dynasyties limited to single city states or slightly larger kingdoms that controlled a few cities (the main exception being the league of Mayapan, which was a unification of quite a few city states and their territory in the postclassic: They actually fractured a decade or two right after the triple alliance that formed the Aztec empire was formed) and likewise weren't as complex in terms of economics, their legal system, or basically any other domestic facet of society (or their military for that matter, but I don't know enough about Maya militarism to tell you if that's simply due the aztecs having the more complex political relationships and having a larger scale political state or not).
And obviously, the Aztecs were the superior urban planners: Nothing in Mesoamerica, or the Americas period, matched Tenochtitlan for centuries after it fell, and nothing surpassed it previously, either, with Teotihaucan being the only thing that came close. The hydraluic/hydrooengiennering prowress and sanitary (especially this, the aztecs were absurdly obsessed with cleanliness) and medicinal practices required to keep Tenochtitlan running, being built on a lake, were also unmatched in the Americas or arguably the world period at the time, perhaps aside from venice in terms of hydralics.
Also I wouldn't say it's accurate that the Maya's art greatly influenced the Aztecs: There was some cutural interchange there, certainly, but most of the Aztec's views and style on the arts and culture came from the earlier Toltec, and the Teotihaucans before them; and in fact, the Teotihaucans had a very significant influencing role in Maya art during the classic period, as various Maya city states record being conquered by and interacting with Teotihaucan armies (which is impressive, since the Maya aren't actually that close to Teotihaucan/the Aztecs/The Toltecs, there's about 400 miles between the latter and the closest maya city states). There's also some evidence that the Toltecs had influence in the Maya region as well, since parts of the ruins at the Toltec captial of Tula are almost identical to some of the ruins at Chichen Itza, what exactly this means and how much power Tula/the Toltecs had or even if the "Toltecs" really existed and weren't just Aztec propoganda is sort of still beiing debated.
Polite sage due to being super off topic
37d6e4 No.14290360
>>14281350
You could do an Aztec plot that features the Mayans as a sort of Pthumarian equivalent. I'd like to fight the Nine Lords of Xibalba.
9346f1 No.14290376
>>14281350
Wasn't From Software working on a new project called "Phantom Wail" based on mesoamerican cultures? Or was it a hoax?
114972 No.14290449
>>14270699
God fucking damn I just want there to be more dark fantasy and horror works set in WW1. I wish that there were some works about completely different worlds engulfed in similarly stylized conflicts with similar technology, preferably Lovecraftian in nature, that would be so fucking cool. Everything about WW1 is so fucking violent and unnerving that it has so much potential for horror yet I don't see people using that at all. At least we have Necrovision.
076b19 No.14290480
>m-muh chinkshit
Shut up, it's fucking everywhere. Now, show me a game with bardiche that's not a Diablo, M&B, DCSS or Nethack. Or realistic flail.
37d6e4 No.14290641
>>14290480
>Now, show me a game with bardiche that's not a Diablo, M&B, DCSS or Nethack.
Dragon Quest 8.
d43122 No.14290797
>>14290376
It's fake I think unforantely. I think a mesoamerican themed soul game as a bloodborne prequel would be pretty cool, set in tthe bloodborne universe's version of tthe discovery of the americas. Vast, unexplored jungles, deserts, and mountains, ruins everywhere, hostile natives that want to sacrifice you, crazy ass aztec and native american demons and gods with ancient ayy shit, the church being tthere doing bullshit, etc.
I'd like Mesoamerica to be represented in terms of their domestic and cultural acheivements for once instead of just DUDE HUMAN SARIFICE LMAO, but a depicition that plays up human sacrifice and how bloody their religion is would work really well here, so i'm cool with it. Sometimes sterotypes are useful.
SJW's need to learn that.
f5d5a8 No.14291235
>>14272679
Fuck off, Musashi.
ee12b1 No.14294926
>>14291235
>Musashi is in Nioh
>doesn't fight you with an oar bokken
>doesn't drop an oar bokken
8adda0 No.14294936
8f9ab3 No.14304209
>>14271004
Snipers are camping faggot, there's nothing manly about it
f19781 No.14304247
>>14290480
Neverwinter Nights
85f381 No.14304301
>>14286041
>And obviously, the Aztecs were the superior urban planners: Nothing in Mesoamerica, or the Americas period, matched Tenochtitlan for centuries after it fell, and nothing surpassed it previously, either, with Teotihaucan being the only thing that came close. The hydraluic/hydrooengiennering prowress and sanitary (especially this, the aztecs were absurdly obsessed with cleanliness) and medicinal practices required to keep Tenochtitlan running, being built on a lake, were also unmatched in the Americas or arguably the world period at the time, perhaps aside from venice in terms of hydralics.
I invoke you anon, please tell me of the wonders of Tenochtitlan, I wish to know about their super city development because that's what really revs my engine.
d8c4be No.14304531
Kanabo should be used more often. Tiny horned girls swining giant iron clubs is kawaii as fug.
5e6612 No.14304652
>>14304301
Also they've done all this while limiting knowledge and literacy to the noble, priest and postman caste in their society while using literal knotted strings as their medium of preserving records.
d43122 No.14309875
>>14304301
Tenochtitlan was founded by the Mexica in the 1320's. They were the latest newcomers in a series of waves of Nahua people (Nahua being the larger cultural-linguistic group they beloged to) coming into the valley of mexico from up north, according to legend a place called Aztlan (likely the Bajio region of Mexico). It was founded on a shitty, small swampy island in the Lake basin iin the valley. Also some Mexica split off from Tenochtitlan to found Tlatelolco on another island nearby a few years later.
In the 1420's, a war of successon broke out amongst the Tepanec, who ruled over the valley of Mexico, and it got really fucking messy with assassinations and shit, and long story short eventually Tenochtitlan allied with two other city states in the valley, Texcoco and Tlacopan, and overthrew the Tepanecs and other states in the area. This triple alliance, and their tributary territories. is what the "Aztec empire" was. Anyways, eventually due to a dispute over a political marriage and some other bullshit, Tenochititlan ended up conquering Tlatelolco, and as Tenochtitlan grew, the cities basically grew into each other.
Now wait, you might be asking, how did they grow into each other if they were seperate islands?
And this is how Tenochtitlan is cool: It was less "on an island" and more "On the lake", eventually, the valley of mexico practiced what was essentially a terraforming farming system called Chinampas, where they would create artificial islands in a grid pattern to use as farmland or residential on the lake around shorelines, and the "liines" of the grid would be canals you could boat through. Tenochtitlan ballooned in size thanks to these, connecting the main islands with Tlatelolco and a few others to where there was many times more land then there was originally. Causeways were also eventually built to connect Tenochtitlan to other cities and towns on the actual shoreline across the lake, along with aqueducts on those causeways and inside the city. There was dike to split the lake basin in two to control the flow of water and to keep brackish, shitty swamp water on one side and clean fresh water on the other. Eventually, So it was like Venice, with ferryman boating goods and supplies throughout the city and across the lake basin to other towns and cities. Except with a population of 250,000 people, it was many times larger then venice, actually tied with Paris and Constantinople as being the 5th largest city in the world in terms of population.
The city was also kept insanely clean. Mesamerican cities in general were more well kept then european ones, and the Spanish regularly commented on how absurdly pristine and clean they were, but Tenochtitlan was on another level: There was a class of civil servents that swept streets and washed buildings and collected garbage on a daily basis, the city had a full sewage system (Mesoamerica actually had cities with fountains and toliets going back to 200ad, though it wasn;t the norm), and feces were collected to use as fertliizer. Even commoners bathed multiple times a week, and the city was filled with both municipal gardens and gardens built into upper class homes with sweet smelling flowers, and aromatic woods were also used in construction. The Marketplace at Tlatelolco was also one of the largest sites of commerce in the world at the time, with over 60,000 people visiting it daily.
I'm heading to bed now but I can post further information and excerpts of Conquistador accounts describing the city and other towns and cities nearby if you want to hear them talk about how amazing they were/want to get depressed that it's all gone; I could also post links that go into what I outlined above in more detail, but most of them are from reddit, but I promise they are good.. I also have a lot of really pretty art showing historically accurate images of how the city looked, from neighbrhoods to roadways to gardens, courtyards, the main city center, palaces. let me know if you want me to link/dump any of those things.
In the meantime, here's a article about the sanitation system the city used as well as aztec mediicinnal pracitices: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1805201/ ; and here's a series of images showing how it and other cities around the lake (keep in mind that this was only 1 of around 7 interconnected lakes) it was in grew over time: https://imgur.com/a/EX3R8
>>14304652
The Inca/Andeans were the ones who used knots as their writing system, the Aztecs used actual paper books, albiet with the caveat that they didn't have a full, true written language and their writing system was picto/ideographic, though it also had syllabic/phonetic and logographic elements so how primitive vs complex it was is up for debate.
d43122 No.14309898
>>14309875
Also fuck imgur compressed the iimages, but you can find the origiinals here: http://mexicomaxico.org/Tenoch/EvolCDMX/TenochEvol.htm
If you are wondering what happened and why the water vanished, it's because the city was leveled by the Spanish, and Mexico city was built over the ruins. Since they destroyed all the complex hydraluic shit, and couldn't fix it, Mexico city kept flooding, so the lakes were drained in the 1700's. a tiny bit of one of the lakes and some chinampas are still left in Xochimilco, but it's heavily polluted and has gone to shit.
Since i'm making another post anyways, here's some of those pretty pieces of art showing parts of the city I mentioned. I am heading to bed now though, i'll post more when I wake up
9cd8e6 No.14310010
>>14309875
>>14309898
So why did they burn the city down?
34a193 No.14310025
>>14309898
>México then
>México now
b812e9 No.14310053
>>14310010
Why did the Canadians burned the White House down in 1812?
9cd8e6 No.14310072
>>14310053
I mean if it was so great they could occupy it
d43122 No.14314010
>>14310010
It wasn't burnt, it wad deconstructed. Once the Spanish and their allied army were able to actually get into the city during the final siege, it devolved into heavy urban combat with soldiers flainking them between buildings and alleyways and hurling stuff off roofs and ambushing them in buildings, etc; so the spanish just tore down shit as they went systematically.
Allegedly cortes was crying as he ordered this since he was having to destroy this grand city. That sounds a bit overly dramatic to me, but I don't doubt for a second that he was not happy he had to destroy it, given what his and other conquistador accounts say with how enamored they were by it.
ffcff8 No.14314037
>>14314010
>given what his and other conquistador accounts say with how enamored they were by it.
a book I read on the conquest not that long ago mentioned how the Spanish thought that the only city that could surpass it in Europe was Vienna
6661f4 No.14314064
>>14294926
History must be full of stupid moments like this
ebd2fd No.14314403
>>14277055
now, I had heard they fought with clubs with the aim being to knock people out to bring them back as sacrifices?
d43122 No.14314445
>>14314403
I already addressed this in >>14277041
fefb38 No.14314734
>>14314403
Broadly speaking, yes. Mexica people had quite a different concept of warfare where making prisoners was what brought honor to a warrior. Being captured and sacrificed was sawn as a "good way to die", similar to how dying fighting was sawn in Europe
>>14314445
This is more of a personal theory, but I'd like to know the opinion of someone else on this: I'd say that the difference in mentality was the main advantage the Spaniards had, not steel nor firearms (which were seriously underdeveloped back then, and crossbows would be just as effective against lightly armored opponents). Just imagine going to battle to get some prisoners.
Maybe if you are unlucky you get caught instead, but at least you'll be sacrificed to the gods, so it's not that bad. But this people with hair all over their face and armor considerably stronger that what you've ever sawn (some even wear shining carapaces) show up, and they start slaughtering everyone. No prisoners, no sacrifices, no honorable death, just mindless, pointless killing.
The perspective of dying in battle to the Mexica was maybe as horrible to them as the perspective of being sacrificed was to the Spaniards. Only that, while the later were encouraged to fight to the death (cause if they were caught their beating heart would be ripped out and offered to those devilish gods) the Mexica warrior was encouraged to flee the battlefield to avoid all the pointless carnage.
I'd also say that what happened on "La Noche Triste" ("The Night of Sorrows") was that the Spaniards were not attacked by warriors, but mainly by a very angry and fed up populace who didn't give a shit about sacrifices and just wanted to kill the Spaniards. In Otumba, however the Spanish did not face an angry mob who just wanted to kill them, but a group of warriors who had never face the Spanish in organized battle, where not familiar with their tactics and mode of warfare and thought they were just going to make prisoners out of an already defeated opponent.
This difference in mentality would also have played an important role on the battles against the Tlaxcalans , who were impressed enough by the Spaniards to become their best allies (arguably the Tlaxcalans considered the Spaniards more of a tool to throw against the Aztecs, but it kind of backfired in the end).
Unfortunately, the indigenous people who fought against the Aztecs (like Tlaxcalans and Totonacs) are rarely given the credit they deserve. Spanish Nationalism has always preferred to portray the conflict as a glorious conquest by the Spaniards, and Mexican Nationalism prefers to tell the tale of the unified Mexica people making a noble stand against the invaders, and consider themselves to be descendant from the Aztecs (which is unlikely cause they were mostly slaughtered; modern Mexicans are more likely to descend from the victorious Mexicas, not the ones that got killed). The Spaniards were more of a catalyst for revolt than conquerors.
e2dbbc No.14314788
>>14314734
>current mexicans consider themselves descendant from aztecs which were mostly killed
>mexica people preferred capture to death in battle
interesting that the current mexicans choose to associate with a lineage that went out the way a Spaniard would prefer to go.
ee12b1 No.14318000
Are there any other games that have similar weapons to these?
0f7ab6 No.14318128
>>14290449
Hedge clippers?
>>14290449
>Everything about WW1 is so fucking violent and unnerving that it has so much potential for horror yet I don't see people using that at all.
What sets apart WW1 from WW2?
3c1e3d No.14318177
>>14314734
I am actually a little butthurt about making fun of what was, essentially, a club with glass in it. It was the closest thing you could make to a sword without inventing iron working.
3fe5f4 No.14318268
>>14318000 (checked)
Li Dian used something kind of like that in DW8.
DW9 comes out tomorrow, but Li Dian doesn't use that same weapon anymore since they decided to remove the crazy/wacky weapon types. Which is a plus in my opinion since Ma Dai won't have that retarded paint brush anymore.
156282 No.14319575
>>14318000
Was there one in lego island? I can't remember
131645 No.14319845
>>14280470
>the pneumonia produced by fermented urine
>pneumonia
I hope that was a genuine mistake.
03aca0 No.14320304
>>14318128
World War One has all the brutality and killing capacity of World War Two, coupled with retarded tactics courtesy of outdated thinking by generals who still thought they were/were still fighting Napoleon. The same thing happened in the American Civil War, pitting outdated tactics up against modern weaponry will always end in tragedy.
0f1145 No.14320777
>>14318128
>What sets WW1 apart from WW2
What a monumentally stupid question. Is this bait? Doesn't seem like it but I really can't think of any other explanation. Or did you legitimately flunk out of elementary?
d43122 No.14320844
>>14314734
I intend to reply to this anon, FYI, I've just been busy/am trying to word myself right.
e79ff3 No.14321159
>>14290480
Exanima. Which isn't really a game yet, now that I think about it.
0f7ab6 No.14334544
>>14320777
They never went into depth about either WW1 nor WW2, rather they placed nearly all of the emphasis on the holocaust.
d694a8 No.14334613
>>14271806
>chamber
>called a mag
REEEEE
why do games do this? ==is it that fucking hard==
388c54 No.14334656
What about shovels being used as a weapon?
Western shovels.
ee12b1 No.14334693
>>14334656
Too easy. Also that looks clever as hell.
388c54 No.14334702
>>14334693
Any games not made by socjus faggots?
ee12b1 No.14334753
>>14334702
I feel like I've seen another game that uses a shovel but I can't place it.
388c54 No.14334781
>>14334753
It was probably a zombie game or something.
659a22 No.14334787
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14270979
There's a series that did a lot of that. You won't like it.
Some examples off the top of my head…
Giant Scythe/Anti-Material Rifle
Spear/Shortsword/Hunting Rifle
Greathammer/Grenade Launcher
Guang Dao/Trident/Battle Rifle
Bo Staff/2 sets of Nunchucks/Each half of each is a sawed-off shotgun
43f93a No.14334794
>>14276016
Dude, the fucking Crusades. Many soldiers there where monks fighting because muh Jerusalem.
43f93a No.14334807
>>14334753
First melee weapon you get in Postal 2 is a shovel. It's also shit though.
0f7ab6 No.14334872
>>14334807
Not in enhanced mode it isn't.
1fc47c No.14334888
>>14267340
Never mind that dude, I got an even better weapon.
THE HUNTING HORN
d43122 No.14338941
>>14320844
>>14314734
Sorry it took me so long to respond to this
It was certainly a factor to some extent (as you note, it was a major one during the battle of otumba) but I don't think it was as big of one as you make it out to be.
As I already mentioned in >>14277041 ; my understanding is that the collecting of captives was mostly done after the enemies line was broken and they had already won the battle anyways, something you allude to in your mention of the battle of otumba; or done in Flower Wars which were highly ritualistic and weren't designed to be like real battles anyways. The meat of actual battles and wars would have been fought for real to the death like any war or battle in eurasia.
Even if i'm underestimating the degree to which taking captives would haveinfluenced their tactics and approach to warfare in most battles, we know that the Aztecs implemented anti-calvery (digging ditches, scattering stones as caltrops, and IIRC adjuisting their formations) and anti-firearm/cannon tactics (zig zag movements, earthernwork walls, hitting the deck) eventually (not sure how long it took them off the top of my head, though), so they would have adjuisted along those same lines.
I do agree with you though that steel and firearms wasn't as big a factoor as pop culture make it out to be: As you noted, early firearms were sort of shit, and crossbows weren't that common in the conquest either. Most of the conquistadors were poor and didn't have plate armor and most that did or have steel breastplates switched them out for native Ichcahuipilli armor due to the climate, and against unarmored or natively armored troops, a macuahuitl isn't going to be much less effective then a steel sword, and what advantage firearms or cannons or horsemen did confer couldn't outweigh the absolutely massive difference in numbers, supplies, and logistics.
What allowed the Spanish to be successful was having lucky access to translators, the geopolitical situation at the time, and diseases. With translators, they were able to communicate with groups, and the Aztec's military expansionism and being essentially a tribute racket meant that the Spanish were able to gain allies, and in many cases flip even core Aztec cities to their own side. The Tlaxcala in particular were as much in charge as the Spanish were, having fought and beaten the Spanish and then spared them so they could use the Spanish to topple the Aztecs and convinced them to; and the Spanish continued to rely on native armies for the conquest after the Aztecs fell. The intial smallpox outbreak struck right before the final siege on the Aztec captial of Tenochtitlan, which severely weakened it, and then it and other outbreaks resulted in 90% to 95% population losses by 1600, which meant that the Spanish were able to maintain control without huge rebellions and the like.