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>>14235078

>底なしのアンジェラ

>Mabel the Raider

who comes up with this shit and why?

>>14235107

底なし is obviously a reference to her thirst for rum. Can't have that in a good Christian localization!

>loqua

>loquat berries

間違ってだな

>>14235116

also

>it's just juice

>>14235078

>>14235116

>>14235121

You guys do know that they censored the Cuckcube release, right?

>>14235765

Was the Dreamcast localization uncensored?

>>14235765

Thanks for not even remotely comprehening the discussion.

>>14235793

Nevermind, I looked it up and the localization is the same, so I dunno what your point is.

https://youtu.be/ymEd_AGkmIw?list=PLUPrrptEK4hNJCyEcgxeq6CXqZuwI3_ns&t=88

>>14235822

Yeah, learning Nip is definitely not just for untranslated games. It makes all Japanese games better.

>>14235793

Maybe the PAL version was uncensored? I played the Echelon release.

This kind of stuff always annoyed me, especially because most parents don't even check that closely or care about what's in the games/movies/music their kids are taking in to begin with.

>>14236039

Hey, if children can do it, so can I

What game has a good translation?

Hard mode: no fan translations

>>14236051

There are quite a few games that don't have bad translations per se, but the original is always going to be closest to how the creator wanted his/her work to be consumed and perceived.

>>14236821

Hardest mode: "None" doesn't count

>>14235078

I can't learn Japanese. What does it say? I expect the original to be rum or liquor obviously, but dunno about the girl's title.

>>14237191

The main thing was that they changed alcohol to "loqua" and pretend it's non-alcoholic. The girl was changed from Bottomless Angela to Mabel the Raider. Mabel doesn't even sound like a pirate's name

>>14237191

girl: what's "alcohol"?

bottomless andrea: "hey girl so you're interested in alcohol? want to drink this rum?"

more or less this is what it says

Her name is angela, not andrea. Regardless, I don't get why they changed her name, they could have just removed the "bottomless" part and called her Angela without any other additional identifiers.

>>14237237

You know how much localizers like re-writing shit.

>>14237312

むしろ叱られたい…

Speaking of New Game, is the game any good? It's on sale pretty cheap right now.

>>14235793

Censored too, as far as I know only the Japanese version has smokes and alcohol.

What game can I practice my nip with nips?

>>14237478

Watch Japanese Dub of 24 (^:

>>14237478

There are lots of good J-dramas, and they're easier to find Japanese subtitles than for anime in my experience.

http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/page/subtitles?sid=44b430a6e474982a7185b5ee067f3efd#Japanese

http://jpsubbers.web44.net/Japanese-Subtitles/@Mains/

are the sites I've had the best luck getting subs from, but sometimes finding downloads for complete series, especially with seeds, can be a pain in the ass.

The first drama I watched was ちゃんぽんたべたか, it had an alright story, but it was all about real/relatively mundane situations in the life of a high school and college student, so it's good for a change of pace from anime/games. You can find a torrent here https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/view/949121 and subs here http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=161078, though you'll have to watch the first episode with english subs, or by scrolling through the subtitles in a text file while you watch.

Hifumi is easily the best character in new game.

>>14237648

if anyone else has a better method for finding torrents of complete drama series other than typing "drama complete" into the search bar at nyaa, please share them, I'd love to know

>>14237212

Why change the name? I mean they're both western names.

>>14235078

Wholly shit, rum was too hardcore for Sega?

>>14238391

Probably because the protagonists are minors. Meanwhile at Capcom USA, vid related.

>>14237648

Thanks lad. I didn't think about dramas but I can give those a go too.

>>14239636

yeah, dramas will probably be better for average conversations than talk shows or game shows, where they'll be discussing a specific topic and trying to play it up and be entertaining.

>>14241088

Also just noticed

>http

>>14239649

Dramas are still fiction though, so it won't be as natural as talk shows.

What does it mean when you see a tiny kana? Not the つ I know that mean you repeat the consonant it is repeating.

>>14242346

if you mean small vowels after -i kana, then those make the ya yu yo sounds, like kya, ryu, etc.

>>14242405

Every time I've seen it in the the "used to add effect" case that you described, it seems to denote that that part of the word is being drawn out longer than normal, the same as what's implied if one were to write "Niiiiiice," or "FUCK YOOOOOOOUUUUU," instead of writing those words normally. Naturally, you see it in H material a lot for moans.

>>14242346

In my experience playing jap vidya, for things like names sometimes half-length katakana are used just to save space (ﾗﾘﾙﾚﾛ as opposed to ラリルレロ)

>>14242405

I think pic related is just another way of writing instead of using the line to extend the vowel sound.

>>14242461

I think this is it because it is usually tiny や　and ゆ kana, thanks.

>>14242716

oh, if it's just the tiny ゃ and ゅ and ょ you were talking about those are used as specific sounds, see this link for a list of them all

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Japanese/Kana_chart

>>14242788

yes thank you

>>14242346

In katakana a small vowel kana different from the vowel of the full size kana indicates that you are changing the vowel of the proceeding kana without changing the sound (including when there should normally be an allophonic sound change change, hence why it only happens in katakana. I.e. Loan words)

If you see a small vowel kana that is the same as the vowel of the proceeding kana, this is a way of representing a vowel drawn out in speech to express emotion, similar to 一 and 〜.

If you see a small y-kana following an i-kana, it represents the insertion of a /j/ between the consonant and vowel.

If you see any other kind of small kana you had probably stumbled upon a ryukyu language instead of Japanese.

>>14244421

vu

do you know ゐ and ゑ?

>>14244433

They aren't used much anymore.

Captain's Log

-CURRENT YEAR-

Day 407

Getting tired of Anki. Words upon words fill my mindspace, only to be dumped out again a short time later. Must push on, but finding it increasingly difficult to do so. I have made small progress, but progress is slow.　毎日は勉強をしているよ、でもまだ日本語を話せができないよ。

>>14244433

they are (formerly) /wi/ and /we/, and are now used stylistically for /i/ and /e/, for the same reason that を is now pronounced /o/. Their katakana equivalents are ヰ and ヱ, but for some reason people refuse to bring them back even for writing foreign sounds instead of うぃ/うぇ, which I think is disappointing.

You know about ゝ and ヽ right?

>>14244479

>for the same reason that を is now pronounced /o/

I was wondering why when I was learning kana a decade ago people were inconsistent about whether or not it was wo or o

>>14244474

we, pronounced like e

They used the kana version in the Evangelion Rebuild movies. エヴァンゲリオン vs ヱヴァンゲリヲン

>>14244492

Man, I am like 4 days into 2k and I could understand that and read it aloud. Shame it was basically a guess based entirely on って

>>14244485

/w/ was lost before all vowels except /a/ in normal speech in the early 20th century. However, kana orthography wouldn't be reformed until the mid 20th century, and during that time, kana reflected historical spellings, grammar, and morphophonemics, much like English writing does, as opposed to phonology, like kana writting does today. During that period, characters like を and ゑ were not pronounced differently from お or え, but could differentiate homophones in writing.

Post reform, kana orthography was changed to be entirely phonemic and regular, with one group of exceptions: particles would remain in their historical form (hence, は - wa, へ - e, and を - o).

Thus, all instances of を except the particle were changed to お, because they were pronounced お, and still are, in almost all cases.

I say almost all, because there are 4 primary exceptions, where it is still common to hear /wo/

>the regional dialects of very old speakers

>classically trained singers, who are taught to pronounce it /wo/ for clarity and historical tradition

>anyone who educated in the symbols history or romaji (most people), who are pronouncing it that way for emphasis and clarity

>young people, who have had a lot of exposure to western culture, and therefore, romaji, who pronounce it that way because of the romaji.

however, even among the first, second, and fourth cases, even though they pronounce を as /wo/, they do not pronounce おs that used to be をs as /wo/ (because they have been taught that they are おs as well), so even among those who say /wo/, that syllable appears in literally one word ever (possible with the exception of ヲタク, but it is normally pronounced /otaku/ even among these speakers).

>>14244492

>just keep at it

はい。日本語を習っていた決心を固めただ。

>>14247932

Only people who pass JLPT N1 can read material as advanced as that

No, I don't want to learn japanese.

I want you to raise hell in proper circles about the problems instead of ignoring them while they get worse.

Nothing is burning, it's just becoming more gay and jewish.

>>14248505

who says we're not doing both, as well as taking money from the localization companies by buying untranslated games?

先週私の大学の「日本の言語と文化のサークル」に行きます。悪くなかった。日本人がたくさんありました。ほとんど何人もはオタクに似て、「アニメ」と言いませんでした。来週サークルの「会話」に行きます。

>>14249046

アニメことが話さなかったは案外もいい

STOP RUNNING AWAY

>>14249081

はい。驚きました。でも、個別の「社会のアニメと漫画の芸術」（英語："[school name]-SAMA"）。オタクは日本語をマスターできりませんから、あそこに行きます。

>>14249299

Are those Sekai Project apologists?

>>14250394

＊春楽しみ

俺は偽物のビール飲んでるんじゃけーちょっとアホなんじゃろう？

>>14250308

Sekai Project can't ever release anything on time and at the budget they claimed.

They were Kickstarting even more shit to finish the Grisaia games because they're so fucking incompetent.

Does learning Japanese come with being a pretensions asshole to everyone because you are obviously the superior weeb?

>>14253719

I'm assuming the non-pretentious assholes are busy studying, truly being the superior weeb.

>>14253719

Some people need that kind of encouragement. If I tell you that you're a retard for not knowing Japanese don't take it personally, just start learning and prove me wrong.

>>14255414

What'd you expect? I don't know why people here recommend it but kanji damage seems to be made by a literal homo leftist cuck. If you need mnemonics make up your own instead of using shitty ones from other people.

I don't even use mnemonics and just memorize on/kun yomi directly, I memorized over 1000 characters in 6 months and can read most stuff already. Just review daily and start reading raw material as soon as you can and it's not that hard.

>>14256007

>kanji damage seems to be made by a literal homo leftist cuck.

I dunno, I keep getting mixed messages from him. I'll post one of the opposite type next time I see one.

>If you need mnemonics make up your own instead of using shitty ones from other people.

Personal mnemonics tend to stick better, but it does take time to come up with a good one, so I default to his if I can't think of a better one. The improvement usually isn't worth the time to force making your own, unless you already know that his mnemonic just isn't sticking with you at all.

>I memorized over 1000 characters in 6 months and can read most stuff already.

1000 characters, or 1000 cards?

>>14256091

>Ray

Rays of the sun, also a name. The cat's name is Ray.

>Ray is a white cat but talks black

Black people sometimes colloquially refer to one another as "cool cats". The small illustration renders Ray as an actual cat, but you could also imagine a wigger who refers to himself and others as "cool cats". Hence, Ray is a "white cat" but "talks black"

>Ray likes to smoke a Dutch

"Dutch" is a slang term for a marijuana cigarette that is rolled in a tobacco leaf. I'll admit that it's a bit of a stretch at this point to connect "dutch" and "dot", but if you use your imagination and visualize the dot radical as a blunt, then you can imagine that Ray the white cat is smoking it. Honestly, it's a shitty mnemonic because it is devised to help you better visualize this particular Kanji, which is something that you shouldn't have much trouble with in the first place. This is one of the first Kanji you learn, and if you're having trouble remembering it, then you should fuck off and learn Spanish or something less taxing on your memory.

The other mnemonic for remembering the onyoumi is fine because it's just a simple sentence. Short and to the point.

>b-but it disparages the white race!

Who fucking cares. It's a joke, you faggot. Go back to tumblr if you can't handle it.

>>14256146

yeah, I think getting butthurt over the examples used is dumb but you really shouldn't need a complex process to memorize that one or any of the other most common hundred or so kanji.

>>14256100

>1000 characters, or 1000 cards?

Characters, I don't use anki for kanji.

I usually go with what's more useful and easy to memorize but categorize with JLPT levels usually, except some non-JLPT kanji like 頃 or 鍵, they are their own category. I know all of N5, N4, N3, 330~ of the 370 in N2 and around 250 in N1.

JLPT levels are easier usually because lower levels have kanji that comes often and easy to memorize, of course I study all levels at the same time but dividing them into groups helps make it easy to memorize.

Kanken or school grades is another way to categorize but I don't think they are as good for gaijin learning kanji.

It looks inefficient but more useful than spending 2 months on RTK and only learning an English word related to the kanji that might not be accurate.

For example I know 素 can be read ス, and 晴 in 素晴らしい has the kun yomi は.らす, so is it "すはらしい" or what? Accounting for rendaku it can be すばらしい, which is a word I know so I can keep on reading having learned something new.

>>14256146

I can't tell if you're mad at the page for being retarded, or me for thinking it's retarded. Funny either way.

>>14255414

At least you will remember it right? That's the whole point.

>>14256007

>just memorize on/kun yomi directly

Don't do that.

>>14257315

>Don't do that.

What's wrong with it?

>>14257378

It's much easier to learn the readings in context of vocab.

>>14257378

You can do it. But it's making thing's unnecessarily hard for yourself. It's much easier to learn meanings, then learn the readings organically as you learn vocab.

I like to equate it to trying to remember the names of all the characters in Lord of the Rings without ever reading the books. It's certainly possible. But it's a shitload easier when you know who Gandalf is and what he does.

>>14257378

Nothing, people don't like it because it's slower and more tedious, and easier to forget things and feel bad due to amount of things you try to memorize.

But no other method has worked well for me other than this so I'd rather go with this than use "proven" methods like RTK or Kodansha, where you spend months to reach the level of a Chinese person starting at kanji, or learn kanji in a wacky order that helps you differentiate them but learn common ones way too late.

My goal is to read, and while this method seems slower overall, it's denser and you can read everything you learned, unlike RTK which is more of a preparation to learning than actually learning the kanji.

I can't be the only one to use this method and get results right? Most kanji have just 2/3 readings and are easy, a lot has only one on yomi and maybe some unused archaic kun that don't matter much, a big amount of kanji share readings with others with the same radicals/parts and are easy to memorize like those with 召. Kanji with too many readings are usually common ones like 下 or 生, and I can recite all their readings.

>>14257501

>It's much easier to learn the readings in context of vocab.

I think this is why it doesn't work for everyone. My vocab was already pretty good when I finally decided to learn kanji. If I search on yomi compounds I'll usually find at least one that I know so I just have to stick the kanji to a word I know and remember that for the on yomi if I were to forget it. I don't think it would work as well for a complete beginner. This method works better for the kind of people that start on Japanese, learn kana and then decide to tackle kanji 4 years later.

>>14257709

The lyrics are certainly better, I don't like how they removed some of the background instrumentation though.

>>14257749

And by removed, it was almost certainly the reverse in that they added more to the Japanese version since it was probably made afterwards.

>>14257709

>Implying one Coils of Light is better than the other

>Implying they're not two parts of the same whole like Grette and Ashe

Come on, now.

>>14257610

Learning readings separately just seems like double the work to me. So you remember the readings for a kanji, then you have to remember the reading that is used for each word. It seems more sensible to just remember the reading for each word. But use whatever whatever works best for you.

>>14259149

this is how I (and I think most people) do it. Learn a word and the kanji associated with it, not a kanji and all the words associated with it. It makes dealing with words that use the same kanji much easier.

>>14261079

Don't give up you faggot, we all have bad days just pick yourself up and do better.

>>14255414

Is there any website like this one but for Hiragana?

>>14261235

if you need elaborate mnemonics to memorize ~46 characters you probably won't be able to learn this language.

>>14261261

Thanks for the answer, m8.

>>14257839

>started studying Japanese in college 9 years ago

>been doing it seriously for about 5

>can barely read, slowly, basic stuff

>can only listen to simple anime if I pause frequently with subtitles in Japanese

Maybe someday.

>>14261235

For the kana, it's really just best to grind away at https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html for a few minutes at a time.

want reading listning

>haven't touched grammar yet

>at 1k kanji in kanji thru vocab deck

>at 1k vocab in vocab rote deck

Updated keikaku is to read tae kim. and start reading baby books. Any tips or things to keep in mind? (for efficiency)

searched "first book to read japanese" . i'll read the pages I ctrl-d 'ed tommorrow. DJT guide has a ranking of difficulty in reading list sectoin. beginner easy and basic all sound same to me. what's the order? ranking?

>>14263150

>haven't touched grammar yet

wew lad

you're going to need to read all of the tae kim beginners section at bare minimum if you want to be able to read. I'd recommend starting off with childrens books or elementary school readers, then move on to lengthier stuff.

>>14262511

This is gold.

Thanks, my dude.

http://akiragoya.sakura.ne.jp/blog/game_matome

Here, have some reading material. I came across this blog when searching for information on Shinobi. He gives impressions/walkthroughs of a number of different games. It's just something different to read besides children's books or manga or news bulletins.

>>14263150

You did it all backwards nigger. What the fuck are you even doing.

>>14257610

Learning readings separately is a waste of time and won't help you in the long run because you half to memorize every single individual compound to be absolutely certain of what it means and how it is read. There are loads and loads of irregular readings.

>>14265017

That's pretty sweet, I would have loved to have known about that back when I was just starting to read. I'd rank it just above NHK easy news in terms of difficulty, though with a much more common set of vocabulary than the news.

Recognizing the Kana is easy but writing it down is difficult. Is this normal?

Should I focus on recognizing it all quickly and then after a while I would easily reproduce it or should I get used to reproducing it too before learning other things?

>>14266635

learning to write it won't help you read it - whether or not you want to be able to write is your choice but it doesn't really have an impact on your reading skill. Some people choose to write out kanji because it helps them remember it, but it's not necessary for kana if you're not planning to ever travel to japan or anything like that.

>>14266635

Brace yourself, kanji will be much more difficult.

>>14266653

Knowing how to write can help you deciphering hand-written text. They sometimes appear in manga and art so it's not entirely meaningless to learn them too, even if you don't plan to go to Japan or things like that. But it shouldn't be your number 1 priority either right now.

Just remember the anon a thread or two ago who didn't recognize the 言 kanji (and that wasn't even hand-written).

>>14266675

Good point actually, I forgot how hard of a time I hard with reading handwritten kana. Eventually I learned to read it but it would definitely help if you learned to write the kana, even if you don't become perfect at it.

>>14266635

Writing them down as in reproducing them just from memory? Or writing them at all, even with a reference? Either way, writing is it's own skill that comes from practice, so if you want to get proficient at it you need to do it a lot. I want to at least have some basic writing ability so I've hand written quite a lot of shit, and when I first started I wrote out all the kana dozens of times to help memorize them. Also, since you're just getting started on kana now, pretty much everything will be hard.

>>14266653

>>14266675

>>14266710

Thank you, guys.

>>14267230

Reproducing from memory. It truly is its own skill.

バンプ～

How do I get Anki to cycle in smaller batches? I've got 30 cards I don't know very well (some new and some old), but since the batch is so huge by the time I see a card again I've already forgotten it.

I need repetition in smaller amounts to make the brain connection

>>14269682

Lower your new cards

>>14269415

Stop direct linking Youtube cancer.

>>14269701

That doesn't help me now

>>14269682

Deck->Options->Lapses->Stepsand set it to a lower value

>>14269682

1. reduce your new cards. If you do a set number of new cards each day, when you're done they're going to be added to your review cards for the next day. If you have 10 new cards a day, that's 70 new review cards a week.

2. Stop getting cards wrong, you nigger. The more often you get a card right, the less often you'll see that card. You can tell Anki [again] [hard] [good] and [easy]. If you keep choosing easy on a card, that card will be put away for longer than the other options. If you don't want to see that card, you can keep choosing the easy option to make it a lower priority review.

3. Suspend cards. If there are babby's first review cards still in your deck, you can just remove them entirely, which will reduce the amount of overall cards you have to review.

>>14269743

kizuna ai is the single biggest proof of japan's decline.

>>14269710

Thanks this is more in line with what I wanted.

Honestly until the last two days I thought I should increase the number of new cards (I never actually did) but the last 40 or so have been pretty muddy in my brain

Anyone else have super mental blocks you can't explain?

I still can't remember how to say 車 even though I know what it means. I learned 電車

instantly but I STILL fuck up 車 every time.

>>14270077

kuruma and car sound very similar to me. You can also think of uma is a horse, so a kuruma is like an upgraded horse.

>>14270077

My mental block is that I can't study when other people are home. I want to speak out loud and hear myself speak, but I don't want other people to hear me and know that I am studying another language. I haven't told anybody that I am learning Japanese, and I make a point of studying only when I know the house will be empty.

>>14270077

>just started learning kanji

>recognize 車

I only know like 50~ kanji, but damn it feels good when you you make even the smallest bit of progress.

>>14270134

>>14270146

Shit like 水、月、何　as well as numbers I already knew.　

I'm waiting for 肉、血、光、白、神、尻尾 and a shitload of other words I know by reading if not by kanji　

>>14256100

Here's an example of KanjiDamage giving mixed messages with with politics: http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji/1097-right-%E5%8F%B3

>右

>Onyomi U right-wingers are URUsai!

He gives a rebuke of right-wingers as a whole, but also,

>右翼

>right wing :pro- LDP, pro-emperor, anti-union, pro-yakuza, anti-article-９. anti-the-whole -macarthur-fuckin-wrote-it-anyway constitution. Not necessarily anti - western. After all, the USA is the main ally in the fight against the Red Menace. It's easy for Americans to say, 'communism is dead, get over it,' but we're not the ones living next door to fuckin' Kim Jong Un.

Seems to be in favor of the US fighting Communism, particularly North Korea. Maybe I'm putting too much weight on the assumption that a lefty will be a communist apologist, which has been true for most of my lifetime, or maybe I'm just reading too far into what's basically a joke, like many of his cards are.

>>14270077

Yeah, every now and then I get a kanji that just doesn't quite stick as well as the others, and it's usually because I don't like the mnemonic I'm using. Coincidentally, 車's onyomi is one of the ones that applied to. They always come along eventually, but I've learned that if I notice one of these persisting, then it's usually better to invent a new mnemonic than to try to force the old one.

>>14270142

I avoided telling anyone for a long time, too. I hate letting people see unfinished projects, or ones that might not ever get finished, and there are few projects bigger, or more embarrassing to leave unfinished, than learning a language. Are you just self-conscious about speaking in front of others, or are the people around you ones who would in some way judge you for it?

>>14270256

>maybe I'm just reading too far into what's basically a joke, like many of his cards are.

seems highly likely.

>>14270256

>Are you just self-conscious about speaking in front of others, or are the people around you ones who would in some way judge you for it?

The second option. My family would try and force their opinion down my throat, just like they do with virtually every other aspect of life. They'd try and tell me shit like, "you're wasting your time" and "you could be doing something so much more meaningful" and I just don't want to heart it.

FUCK YOU MOM I WILL LEARN NIHONGO WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT TBH. (笑)

Just did my first Anki session. It took 38 minutes for me "learn" 20 new cards. The default setting seems like it will set a good pace for me. Should I find stuff to read so I can put the kanji I've learned through Anki into practice? Is that even feasible to do? I'm afraid that if I only learn vocab through anki I might not be able to recognize what I've learned in other contexts, especially written material.

>>14270528

I'd lower the new cards to about 5 if I were you. At that rate, it's going to take you over an hour a day soon.

>>14270256

>I avoided telling anyone for a long time, too. I hate letting people see unfinished projects, or ones that might not ever get finished, and there are few projects bigger, or more embarrassing to leave unfinished, than learning a language.

Fucking this

I didn't tell anyone I was learning the violin until over a year after I started taking lessons. I'm still shit, but I've kept at it for nearly two and a third years at this point

>>14271033

>I hate letting people see unfinished projects

this exactly

Not only that, but I really gain nothing from telling people I speak japanese even once I've learned it more completely. The most I'm going to get out of most casual encounters is someone saying "Oh, I went to Japan once" or "I have a cousin from Japan" or something inane like that. One time I mentioned it in passing to my parents and they were convinced I was going to college to learn. I had to spend an hour convincing them that you don't have to take formal classes to learn a language.

>>14270256

>Seems to be in favor of the US fighting Communism, particularly North Korea. Maybe I'm putting too much weight on the assumption that a lefty will be a communist apologist, which has been true for most of my lifetime, or maybe I'm just reading too far into what's basically a joke, like many of his cards are.

Ameriburger leftcucks hate best korea though, they have to, in order not to get associated with it as they often are anyway. Also remember this

http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji/31-white-%E7%99%BD

Literally, openly advocating white genocide.

>>14270256

>learning retarded meme explanations by a leftist cuck

>not knowing that Right is the hand you use to cover your mouth when talking in secrecy when the fucking Kanji tells you that.

>not knowing that White is the color of sunlight as shown by the kanji for Sun and a beam going off of it.

get a copy of

"The Key To Kanji: A Visual History of 1100 Characters" or にほんごチャレンジ

>>14271850

>hating the creator of modern human rights and racidal centrism combining marxism-leninism with korean ultranationalism.

>>14270285

I know what that's like very well. But if you spend a lot of time attached to other people, there's a high chance that you're eventually going to find yourself in a position where the only way you'll have time to study on a given day is if you do it in front of someone, so you should be mentally prepared to do so if that becomes necessary. Don't compromise on your progress to avoid other people's judgment. If you have to, make it clear that you won't spend time justifying choices in your own self-development to other people. Anyone preventing you from improving yourself can and should be ignored.

>>14270528

>It took 38 minutes for me "learn" 20 new cards.

As >>14270673 said, your first session is not going to be representative of the ones to come. Anki works on spaced repetition, so as you learn cards, they're added to a pile of cards that are reviewed in the following sessions, separate from the pile of new cards you have to learn. Expect the amount you have to retain, and the amount of time you have to spend, to increase significantly as you start to build this pile. If it becomes unmanageable in either of those respects, lower the number of new cards per day. At the same time, don't be too surprised or discouraged if you have a tough time with or completely forget some of them each day, which will happen.

>Should I find stuff to read so I can put the kanji I've learned through Anki into practice?

Yes, but reading won't be possible until you know at least some grammar.

>I'm afraid that if I only learn vocab through anki I might not be able to recognize what I've learned in other contexts, especially written material.

This hasn't been a problem for me. When in doubt, double check with Jisho, Google Translate, and/or your browser's equivalent of Rikaichan.

>>14256146

Great of the creator of Kanji braindamage to come to this autistic Polish plumbing discussion board

>>14270077

It's the topdown view of modern car (^:

>>14271033

Same, with piano, guitar, and gamedev. I feel like I'd be wasting my and others' time to show what I've learned until I've achieved competence and produced something noteworthy, and that showing your efforts before you've reached competence has a chance of diminishing your worth in their eyes. Better to surprise and impress later than to diminish now. If you can't hide that you've tried it before, hide that you're continuing to do it, or hide your level of competence.

>>14271657

>I really gain nothing from telling people I speak japanese even once I've learned it more completely.

Exactly. The way I see it, the rabbit should be taken out of the hat when you stand to directly gain from it. It prevents weird conversations, and when people know that you have a skill, you lose out on the opportunities that you may have had if you didn't have that skill, such as not using that skill as a favor. I know that sounds selfish, but sometimes it's difficult to manage who's asking for what favors and when. Better to play close to your chest and fill genuine needs when you see them.

Also, if we could not devolve into shitposting just because politics were brought up in passing, that'd be good.

>>14272243

>If it becomes unmanageable in either of those respects, lower the number of new cards per day.

It will be too late by then. Best to start small and raise the amount later if need be.

>>14272923

The Captain's wife

was Mabel

And by god she

was able

To give the crew,

their daily screw,

upon the mess room table

Yomichan or Rikaichan? Which one is the best?

>>14274229

Rikaisama

>>14275158

I don't have an answer for the duplicate card question but you should probably just do 1 anki deck at a time and study other things, especially if you have a year and a half of anki under your belt.

>>14275158

The core6k (at least the version that is linked in the OP) is full of duplicates, I usually merge them because sometimes they have different example sentences.

(There's an extension that, but that's crap, I hacked it a little so I can merge whatever cards I want while preserving review information.)

>>14272246

>It's the topdown view of modern car (^:

Yeah which is why I could easily understand it, yet always forget the reading

>>14276115

Try learning some other words that also use the kun reading, like 歯車, 車椅子, and 風車; maybe that will help it stick.

>>14276493

The meanings aren't that important, they're just the means to an end, which is learning to write/recall kanji.

>>14276507

I get what you're saying, thanks I'll just continue to do KD+ for the time being.

What's the difference between 閉じる and 閉める？

>>14278090

閉める (transitive)

閉まる (intransitive)

閉じる (intransitive)

Intransitive is when something just happens, and transitive is when someone does something. When you use 「ドアを閉める」 you are saying "(I) closed the door" and when you say 「ドアを閉まる」 you are saying "the door closed (by itself or through means that were not caused by me)". There are other verb pairs like this, so it's important to understand this concept. Finally, 閉じる can be used to mean that something is "coming to a close" so you could say　今は会議を閉じるです which would be "now the meeting will come to a close".

At least this is my limited understanding on the subject. google this shit you faggot there is plenty of info out there.

>>14278144

閉まる would use が instead of を though

>>14278144

Thanks. Anki didn't make it clear, merely labeling one as "Shut (verb)" and the other "Close, shut (verb)"

>>14276115

Car (Kar) goes vroom vroom = kuruma

>>14278278

>You shall need a car to drive away from the new source of kuru, massachusetts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

There's a mnemonic with kun, on, and meaning. It might be easier to remember if you associate it with something as unique as a rare cannibal disease. It's also funny because MA is a blue state, and the left is metaphorically eating itself.

>>14277433

It's so that they read properly in English.

"Oh" in translation -> おう in original

"O" in transition -> お in original

Because "oo" would imply うう and "ou" can be read as あう.

>>14278144

>Intransitive is when something just happens, and transitive is when someone does something

N… No anon that's not what those words mean.

Intransative means that someone just does something. Transitive means that someone does something to someone else. They both take subjects but intransative doesn't take objects.

Impersonal means that something just happens, without a subject.

>>14278764

http://www.imabi.net/transitivity.html

>transitive (他動詞): An action done by "someone/thing" on something or someone else (direct object).

>intransitive (自動詞): An action or state that has no active agent and no direct object.

I mean I'm just going by what this says.

http://www.imabi.net/transitivity.htm

here, the link I provided before was broken.

>>14278750

I'm not a native english speaker so "to" and "toh" to me seem to be exactly the same pronounciation wise. Idk if native speakers can hear a difference. I understand the notion that they want to translate the nip spelling somehow, but I think it's largely pointless, especially since it's a name written in katakana.

>>14278836

>"to" and "toh" to me seem to be exactly the same pronounciation wise

It's the difference between とる and とおる

>>14279047

There is literally none.

>>14278798

Yeah, that's a bad definition of じどうし. For example, 起きる is jidoushi but it takes 〜が (subject) arguments.

>>14278836

No, you're right. In English they are both /toʊ/, but they're trying to represent the original Japanese.

STOP RUNNING FROM THE PROBLEM, SHITBIRD

Why is this on /v/?

>>14235078

What is the meaning of the last pic? Simply "A lie"? Or maybe "What a lie"?

What is the meaning of that dot at the end? Is it just to give that kawaii effect?

>>14279674

Something like "all lies"

>>14279674

yeah, it's basically "that was a bunch of lies". That dot is a japanese period.

>>14244448

Why do people even bother with anki this far in?

Just read stuff and use a dictionary.

As long as you remain determined, you'll make progress step by step.

>>14279725

I kept with it longer than I needed to because it was what I was comfortable doing, but if people find that it's what works best for them then they should stick with it. I don't use it too much anymore, but sometimes I'll run through shorter decks for a while.

Some faggot just gifted me "Learn Japanese To Survive! Hiragana Battle" is it useful or can I just disregard it?

>>14279725

I use it as a supplement to keep my vocab sharp.

>>14279765

I guess it could be useful if you don't even know hiragana.

>>14279765

From what I've seen, it's not bad, but what it will teach you could be learned slightly faster with paper flashcards/one of the many hiragana anki decks.

>>14279804

You're most likely right, I stopped using it because I realized exactly that, and when I use anki now it's only to expose myself to a lot of new words, I spend most of my study time reading.

>>14279804

I spend way more time reading than I do with anki. If it was burning me out I wouldn't do it.

>>14247932

『そこには自爆スイッチが！！！』

>There is the self-destruct switch!!!

Oh my.

>>14279780

>>14279792

Alright, thanks anons.

No, I don't know shit japanese.

I've been meaning to for a long while but never really had the time until now.

>>14280503

If you can read the characters and understand the words used just reading things in context can help you pick up grammar at a basic level.

>>14280503

You're fine, I was the same way when I first started out. You aren't going to get grammar just by reading some guides, you need to practice it by reading actual text.

>>14280503

tae kim isn't any looser than it needs to be, use it as a reference while reading basic stuff and you'll see that Japanese at a basic level has very simple and consistent grammar.

>>14279804

Is rayearth worth reading?

>>14280503

If you need regimented and self contained then there's Genki. It stops using romaji after a couple chapters. There are a lot of things in it that are technically wrong but it will tell you what to do I what order with lots of practice.

>>14280503

Try minna no nihongo.

Both me and my father are using it.

>>14280541

>>14280546

>>14280552

I've been taking stabs at reading, but while I can usually understand the individual kanji I have trouble understanding the context of the entire sentence.

>>14280665

>>14280703

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll look into Minna no Nihongo. I'd considered Genki before, but the Romaji was an issue for me. Didn't realize they phased it out eventually.

>>14280744

Understanding the kana/kanji is the first step, since then you can actually begin to read the words. Next you need vocab and a lot of reading practice. Read even if you don't understand it, while referencing a dictionary and tae kim.

>>14249046

今日、あの「会話」に行きました。あれもよかったです。二人日本人と一人日本語を話す韓国人と会いました。でも、よく話せませんでした。私は日本語の語彙が小さくて、ほとんど英語と話しました。

>>14281552

Could you please explain this sentence?

>二人日本人と一人日本語を話す韓国人と会いました

You met two Japaneses and one Japanese speaking Korean?

>>14280627

I only just started myself, but it seems all right so far.

As you can see, everything has furigana so you'll easily be able to look up any kanji you don't know.

>>14235078

The OP made me realize how bad my attention span is. It took me 3 days to actually set up my studying because I can't read the contents of an entire page. I have to skim through everything very quickly and click any links I see instantly.

I had to suppress the need to make a post asking to be spoon-fed.

The Internet is so powerful but instead of using it for good things like learning a new language I just mindlessly browsed like a retard and got to this point. I hope it's not too late, lads.

>>14281552

「あれもよかったです」と言うより、「また会話が良かった」と言うはもっと自然っぽいかもしれません。だが、そんな日記ことはいい！

>>14282210

yes, that's what he meant

>>14282576

I used to be there, it's hard, but you have to put in serious effort not to be distracted when you study. Instead of trying to ignore distractions, you're going to get the most mileage out of closing everything else on your computer and setting time limits before you can do anything else. If you want it, you can do it.

>>14282598

shit, I clicked >>14282210 when I meant >>14282155 for the second response

>>14282576

You could get some physical books for studying/reading material too. Going oldschool with a book and some paper for notes helps cut out distractions. I'd buy physical copies of all the manga I read if it wasn't so damn expensive to import.

>>14282576

Are you me?

I had the same problem. When you're aware of it, though, you can correct it. 病巣して。

>>14284168

Guessing it's just 言う

>>14284583

yeah, that's probably it. I saw とーゆー in a VN once, but the lack of a と threw me off here.

>>14285834

sounds like a good way to practice reading, you won't have to be a good reader to use it.

>>14285834

It's definitely for people who already have at least a basic grasp of the language, but let me just say this: that was the book I was assigned when I went to Japan to learn the language, and with good cause. It eases you into grammar and has clear examples of everyday use of the shit it's trying to teach you. When you get to the point that you can understand what it's saying, it'll become your primary learning tool.

>>14286006

That's 質, baka

>>14286006

What site is that?

>>14286102

idigtech.com/wanikani/

Just a statistics script for wanikani.com

>>14286006

I learned 貸す playing fire emblem, with all the missions where there were collaborating armies 「力を貸して！」 I heard it a lot.

>>14286116

Oh, thanks.

I think I once read that if you switch your Switch's language to Japanese, some games display in Japanese. I think I read that about Breath of the Wild. Is that true or am I confused?

>>14286757

Try it and find out?

>>14286916

Would that I could. I'm picking up a Switch in a few days.

>>14286757

Yeah, if the langauge is available, switching the system language switches the game language

I think it's a requirement to support that when putting a game with multiple language settings on the Switch

>>14281552

The correct way to say it is to put the number after the person. 日本人二人 not 二人日本人. If you want to say it in the opposite order, it needs to be 二人の日本人 instead nigger.

>>14282598

と言った方が not と言うは

>>14279144

>>14278836

I think its to emphasize that the o is a long o sound and h is used in english to stress out vowels like ahhhh, and ohhhh instead of just an 'a' or 'o' sound when in japanese the vowels are said longer and in some cases the longer vowel makes for a different word like いえ and いいえ

I want to try playing Touhoumon or Pokemon in japanese for practice purpose.

How do I go about looking up words that I don't know?

Words in hiragana and katakana are easy enough, I can just type them into jisho.

But what about kanjis?

Is there a website that allows me to upload an image of a kanji which will then give me its definition?

I know that jisho has a kanji searching tool which requires me to draw the kanji in, but I'm struggling to get that to work

>>14287453

you're going to have to learn to search by radical, it's a pain in the ass, especially by first, but you can get somewhat good at it with practice.

>>14287406

Thanks, that does sound a lot better

>>14287453

>I know that jisho has a kanji searching tool which requires me to draw the kanji in, but I'm struggling to get that to work

You have to use proper stroke order, so it's not that useful for kanji you don't know.

>>14287460

>>14287453

Go to google translate, select Japanese and then you can draw the kanji.

There are some phone apps that supposedly do the image search thing, but they are not the best.

>>14286757

I can confirm that. If you already have a save file that started in English, everything in your inventory, and everything you come across will be in Japanese. It doesn't work for every game on the Switch, but it does with some.

In the past, I've failed to get past two weeks of Anki multiple times, but I'm finally making it this time and have been doing it consistently for months, because I set my new card count insultingly low. However, I also don't want to waste any time. How do I know whether it's safe to increase my daily new card count? How do I recognize the difference between pushing myself to my maximum efficiency and unreasonable demands made by my own impacience? I don't want to burn myself out again.

>>14288308

try increasing the new card count by 3 and working for another week or two, you'll know if it's too much.

>>14235078

Am I basically learning a few chinese words because of this Onyomi vs Kunyomi? Why none of those links talks about this?

>>14288442

You're not. Chinese not only pronounces most characters completely differently not mentioning regional dialects and there's a lot of those, but also because the nips have such a limited sound range in their language while chinese is polar opposite of that most of the pronounciations that are similar completely lose the nuance of the chinese tone that is used again making them hard to understand.

>>14288442

no, Chinese works entirely different from Japanese, and onyomi is just an adaptation of the Chinese pronunciation into the Japanese language, it's not actually Chinese words. Even if you became fluent in Japanese, the only leg up it would give you for learning Chinese is that your brain would already be trained to recognize thousands of kanji, you won't have any functional knowledge of the language.

>>14288481

god fucking damn it I'm retarded and need to double check which post number I'm replying to, >>14288481 was meant for >>14288477

How do reset Anki?

I just learned 3 things in 2 days (lmoa) and it wants me to learn 35 cards right now.

>>14288512

ur gay

>>14288442

It is possible that you will learn a few words that are written the same way in both languages, but they will not sound the same (at best they will sound similar but different), and you will not be able to tell which ones they are unless you go learn Chinese too.

You will learn a lot of words that look the same and similar to Chinese words but mean entirely different things.

Bump.

Sometimes, I will visualize kana to help me better remember a word. This sounds stupid, but it works. Take 鏡 for instance. It means mirror and is composed of three kana か・な・み. So, I look at these three kana. I visualize that I have a needle with a thread, and I pass the needle through the か then on to the な and finally to the み so I can visualize them all strung together. The idea is to recognize that "these three syllables strung together make a word"

Try it, I guess, if mnemonics are gay and you don't want to use them. This is basically a visual mnemonic that can be repeated for different words. You can even visualize different colored "string" to help you identify between verbs and nouns and adjectives or whatever the fuck.

Fuck me. I am an idiot. It's かがみ not かなみ. How the fuck did I make that mistake twice.

>>14287916

>>14286974

Good to know, thanks. I was wanting to do that with Breath of the Wild.

>本田技研工業特別竸技車輌

>Honda Technical Research Institute Industry Special Race Technique Car

Is this the correct reading? Why is a counter at the end of a sentence fragment like that which has nothing to do with quantity?

>>14291412

本田 = Honda

技研 = technical research institute

工業 = industry

特別 = special

競 = race

技 = skill

車両 = wheeled vehicle

It's probably something like, "Honda technical research institute industry special racing vehicle"

Thank god I'm not a storyfag that wastes the short time he has on this earth learning a shit tier language just so I can understand a generic, cliche plot to some gook videogame.

>>14291509

Can you really claim a better use of your time in this instance?

>>14288442

Technically, yes in a some cases, but usually the pronounciation is way different.

Here are some examples:

愛 ai means love and is pronounced and spelled exactly the same way in Chinese and Japanese, aside from maybe tone. Another one, 電話 dianhua is Chinese for でんわ, written identically and sounds very similar.

>>14289271

You don't need something retarded like that to remember it. It's composed of these three radicals 金立見. STAND and LOOK at a piece of METAL (like a bronze mirror) to see your reflection. Metal is on the left because it's classified as a metal object because that's what mirrors were in the first place.

>>14291509

Better than wasting your time doing normalfag shit or slaving away at a full time job to pay some whore who rides the cock carousel while you're at work.

>>14291558

It's actually 金 +立 + 日 +儿, but 日 +儿 looks similar enough to 見 that it works as a mnemonic.

>>14291558

You're talking about visual recognition, I'm talking about remembering the specific syllables that comprise the word itself.

>>14291412

>>14291476

Chinese is interpretative.

For example

同: Tong, it's a radical and it translates to "similar" but can also be used for "with"

性: Xing, first radical has no pinying put it's red as xin, second one is sheng.

Because 忄's pinying is xin and because it's next to sheng it can be translated to "heart" or "mind".

Shen can be used for "birth", "student", "life" and "raw".

Now, xing as of itself means "nature", "personality", "quality", "sexual relationships", "sexuality", and "gender."

Tong -> Similar

Xing -> Gender

同性: Tongxing = Faggot

>>14291684

If you add Lien (love) 恋 next to Tong Xing you have Tong Xing Lien, Faggotry

Learning Chinese can't be as bad as those screencaps make it out to be, right? Those only apply if you have formal education and get a Chinese degree. And even with that, you don't have to tell your employer that you own one.

>>14291847

>And even with that, you don't have to tell your employer that you own one.

What other reason would there be to learn Chinese though? It's not like they make anything of value.

>>14291905

This. Chinks don't make any good media so learning chink is only good for interacting with actual chinks who are a bad and mean spirited as niggers, but also actually intelligent.

>>14291847

>>14291905

>>14292279

I learn languages as a hobby. I'm making myself kinda like a mental collection.

>>14292769

That's pretty neat. What languages are you currently learning or practicing?

>>14292769

No point in leaning a language you're never going to use.

>>14296175

I don't think you know what collection means

>>14296128

At the moment I know english, spanish, russian, and euskera; I know a little bit of chinese, portuguese, hindi and latin; and I'm trying to get the hang of japanese, korean, mongolian and arabic.

>>14296175

Same with all hobbies, you do them just because they're fun.

>>14297429

Oh, and Italian.

Holy shit. After only ONE WEEK of core2k I'm able to solve high school textbook math problems. :^)

>>14298222

Strong autism.

>>14298285

No need to insult yourself like that.

>>14298214

Hello cuckchan.

>>14298222 (checked)

>>14298310

Spoiler tags don't work like that on halfchan. That's some html forum shit.

>>14298320

That's how they worked last I remember it.

>>14298329

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Are you sure you have even been there?

>>14298338

ayo hol up

>>14298329

Then why are you calling me a cuckchan if you've been there? I don't even go there btw.

Sounds like you are a self-hating faggot.

>>14298365

Because most of us are originally from there, you stupid forum scum? Now go be a retard somewhere else.

>>14298441

>you stupid forum scum

What? Are you okay, son? Stop projecting, kid.

So, what are you guys currently practicing? What are you reading/listening/watching/playing? Any milestones you wish to brag about?

I've hit 1000 mature words in my 2k/6k deck, which really feels nice. I've been grinding away for months now, and I've learned quite a bit of vocabulary. My grammar is still poor, so I've been reading guides, and have been reading easy manga, and I'm pretty amazed at how my comprehension has improved since I first started.

Those who are studying: good job, keep up the good work. 頑張って！

>>14299281

Japanese Todd Howard?

>>14298818

Could you please share some of your methods and give us some tips, m8?

>>14298818

Just started Tales of Vesperia for PS3

>>14299281

>fallout 4

0/10

>>14298818

I've been watching 「僕だけがいない街」 on Netflix because I don't want to watch things that I'd actually care about until I'm proficient enough to consume it and understand the majority of what's been said. It's nice that Netflix has Japanese subtitles, so I just throw those on and watch and listen for words that I understand.

I also sometimes go to jewtube and listen to some of those weeb ASMR videos. A lot of them are sexual in nature, but I don't mind that. I like qt jap grills making sucking noises in my ear, and I get in some listening practice.

I tried playing Pokemon Emerald in Japanese, but fuck that. Everything is in motherfucking kana. Now, I am interesting in playing Ace Combat 5 in Japanese, but the problem is that I'm not yet at a point where I can understand the decisions that the game periodically asks you to make, so I just dropped that game, too. I was thinking of playing Dark Souls in Japanese. It's perfect for a beginner because item descriptions are very short.

I could do like OP and play Skies of Arcadia, but not sure where I'd get a GCN Jap ISO. Nintendo has nuked all ROM sites of their content.

>>14300013

I wouldn't recommend Dark Souls, you encounter a very small amount of text and if you've played the game before, you don't *have* to actually read any of it to progress through the game. You're best off playing a simple JRPG that has a lot of text, like pokemon would but one that's not all kana. I'm not sure of the best places to get japanese ISOs, but someone posted a link to most of the japanese PS2 library a few threads ago.

>>14300013

That was only of first party games games like Skies of Arcadia not actually made by Nintendo should be fine. In fact the site I use has the NA and EU versions of it up. No Japanese version though. Was it called something else in Japan?

>>14300069

Play Dragon Quest 1 maybe it is a real simple game that requires you to be able to listen to people to know where to go.

>>14300013

>but not sure where I'd get a GCN Jap ISO

https://mega.nz/#!3lBkDK7S!yADa10lZmdkY0uJB4oJCN3B1pb9qqDlu4E2zXRXtC1U

>>14300081

>Was it called something else in Japan?

Eternal Arcadia

>>14300081

the easiest way to check the names of games in japan (doesn't work for really obscure ones) is to go to the english wikipedia site and select the japanese version of the article. In japan it was called エターナルアルカディア

>>14300087

Dragon Quest 1 is another game that has almost no text at all. You want a game that will have you reading as much as you are playing, you just don't want to play a game that's really sci-fi or futuristic when you're a beginner, as those tend to use lots of computer/science/technology terms. I was actually playing Dragon Quest XI in japanese, and I'd definitely recommend that other beginners play it, it was simple and fun until I LEFT MY 3DS ON THE FUCKING PLANE AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14300093

Thanks for the link

>>14300118

I will probably play Dark Souls anyway, just because I've played it for so long and I'd like to contrast all the different item descriptions with their English counterparts. I also thought about the Witcher 3, which has a Japanese dub. That game is very text and conversation heavy, so if you're at a point where you can comfortably read, then it should be easy to trudge through.

Not sure what else I can play. Ni-Oh is not very text heavy, though it does have item descriptions like in Dark Souls. I also think that in that game they speak classical Japanese, so you'd already have to be at a high level to understand it, though I guess you could still recognize a lot of words.

>>14300151

you can literally play any text-heavy fantasy JRPG, but don't play something with optional text (and I think in dark souls the item descriptions will probably be pretty romanticized, they certainly were in English), and if you can't find ROMs for anything, someone here can probably spoonfeed you up to a certain point. I had a good time with Atelier Firis, it had a lot of varied talking and some seriously cute stuff in it. Kingdom Hearts 2 wasn't a bad choice either, but some of the parts where they were talking about hearts and darkness and shit were kind of tough to understand.

>>14300151

Also don't play Japanese localizations of games, they have the same problems with localizations we do.

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>>14300197

Alright, well, do you have suggestions for SNES games? Maybe Japanese Chrono Trigger? Final Fantasy VI? What about Suikoden? Games from the Mana series?

>>14300255

I haven't played every game in Japanese - just pick one and stick with it. If it's too hard for you to understand, then set it down, do some other reading practice, and come back to it later.

>>14299281

Come on, that fallout 4 isn't even in Japanese

>>14302971

Looks like Chinese. If it were Japanese they would use katakana.

>>14304970

I think it is Chinese, this listing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FALLOUT-4-Game-of-the-Year-Edition-Disc-PS4-2017-Asia-English-Chinese-/263235847786

uses the same characters. Either way, I understood what he meant, though I can't imagine wanting to play fallout 4 in any language

>>14305532

Western games shouldn't be played in Japanese anyway, same reason Japanese games shouldn't be played in English. Play in the original language whenever possible.

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>>14306535