/v/ - Video Games

None, games with that kind of story-telling existed before Spec Ops: The Line and only retards who put it in a hate pedestal hallucinate that kind of shit about that game.

about the same as Far Cry 2?

Uncharted and The Last of Gays had a much worse impact.

Litteraly none ? If you really want to reach beyond all reason you could say it influenced yoko taro but that's it.

It was only a cult classic liked by hipsters, so basically none.

>>14221348

The game came out in 2012, do you really have that short of a memory? Something doesn't check out.

Name 1 good TPS after this gem

you won't find any other studio taking risks, story-wise, the way these game had. Silent Hill 2 is still the zenith, though.

>>14221391

Really nice desert porn though, I wish more games paid so much loving attention to sand.

>>14221348

I hate games that try to guilt-trip the player for shit.

None really

It was a commercial failure and killed its developers

I would say it killed Spec Ops as a franchise but that wouldn't be true considering it was dead long before this turd.

>>14221461

>EDF games

>Haydee

>Splatoon

>E.X. Troopers

There really isn't much.

>>14228092

journey really loved its sand but it wasn't a great game and Uncharted 3 only had nice sand because it was a glorified tech demo.

>>14228108

>>14228137

Mirrors are really fucking hard to do unless you fake them with identical rooms hidden behind the mirror. Most older games used this hack.

>>14228176

Because it's fucking weird when there's a bathroom and no mirror. Granted it's also fucking weird when said mirror doesn't work.

>>14228183

Honestly I would prefer having a very low resolution mirror than no mirror at all.

>>14228191

Yeah, as long it does what it's supposed to its fine. You don't have to simulate the trajectory of every photon to make a convincing mirror.

>>14228141

>Mirrors are really fucking hard to do unless you do the trick to do them

woah no shit

did you also know that guns in games don't actually fire a bullet and check for collision with a 3d object, they just hitscan the effect?

>>14228157

I played a demo, dismissed it as shit, read dick sucking comments about how mind blowing it is. Gave it a chance. Finished it. It was shit the whole time.

It being linear ruined it. To blow my mind that stuff should have been optional like what kojima wanted to do in mgsv with the kids and obstructed vision. Instead it was just a linear story with a pretentious as fuck "twist".

>>14228219

Not max payne do any other games render projectiles?

>>14228221

>you can't choose to avoid killing civilians

>"woah you fucking monster you should feel sick for playing violent vidya"

Such a deep game.

>>14228122

>killed the devs

Wrong, they're still making games

>>14228141

>with identical rooms hidden behind the mirror

Then make them

If games can do reflections correctly then they can do this.

As a matter of fact they've done it before countless times.

Theres no fucking excuse

>with identical rooms hidden behind the mirror

>>14228234

But dude, you can choose to avoid killing them. It's called closing the game :^)

a meh fps with a pretentious "war is hell" story that sold poorly despite journos shilling it cus "muh artsy vidya" and with a shoe horned multyplayer mode cus cod was the trendy band waggon to jump into

i doubt it caused any harm to anything but the publishers bottom line

>>14228257

WAB?

As much as i tend to disagree with him, his opinions seem genuine. His taste is all over the place though. He hated witcher, totally agree. Loved spintires, agree. Loved wolfenstein the cuckening, disagree. Hates any souls game bc controller, disagree. Can someone explain to him theyre about movement more than striking and wasd is like using a fuckin D-pad to move around in mario64. I agree with port quality tho.

>>14228281

TotalBiscuit the guy who flipped his shit after being asked if traps are gay they totally are though

He had alright stuff. But he spilt his spaghetti because he didn't get to tell America how to run itself. He told his audience to fuck off I obliged.

>>14228304

Mr open relationship literal cuckold? He was never tolerable.

>>14228330

Never claimed my taste wasn't total dogshit. Wasn't the cuck that fat fuck Jim "900 Pound" Sterling though?

Hooktube link because The Know is fucking cancer, but here's a quick interview of how pretentious the devs were, "If you were a good person, you shouldn't have played this game", that's right, the developers want to make you feel bad for being a cuck buying their game.

>>14228141

>Mirrors are really fucking hard to do unless you fake them with identical rooms hidden behind the mirror. Most older games used this hack.

Fucking prey 2016 couldn't even do mirrors and a main fucking plot point of the god damn game was windows into other rooms that weren't really fucking there.

WHY THE SHIT ARE MODERN GAMES NOT EVEN TRYING TO DO MIRRORS?

>>14228432

Because they're made by retards who can't think of anything other than 1:1 recreation of the real world, so mirrors MUST be implemented as a reflective surface instead of some hack that works.

>>14228430

God, what fucking cancer. A perfect microcosm of everything wrong with modern designers. You have the fucking gall to call into question the moral fiber of someone who paid for your shitty video game? As if my actions in a fucking video game are a perfect reflection of how I act in real life. Just more proof that the modern SJW game developers are the same thing as Jack Thompson.

>>14228438

100% this.

>>14228415

Just wait, they'll be back to sucking Hiroshima's cock any time now. The ones smart enough to not do that might stand a chance here long term though.

>>14228438

>Because they're made by retards who can't think of anything other than 1:1 recreation of the real world

If that were the case we would have more accurate ballistic mechanics too

The real reason is that mirrors aren't supported by default in whatever Unreal engine based shit they are using and they can't spend the time to code those in because they don't have the talent as all the real coders were replaced by H1B code monkeys long ago.

the original metal gear solid did worse

>>14228477

I'd like to pretend that isn't 100% true.

>>14228482

MGS1 sold 5.51 million

>>14228157

you could say Far Cry 4

>>14228546

>that pic

my dheart

>>14228553

She's pretty good if you don't mind lego everywhere.

>>14228546

>portal support in the engine

I don't know shit about engines, but is this really an issue? Still sounds like laziness devs get away because casuals don't care

>>14228573

Modern devs can't code for shit.

>>14228580

more like all the talented coders moved to better paying jobs after getting replaced and the only ones left are the ones with passion who don't work on trendchasing shovelware to begin with.

>>14221348

I had fun with it. Everyone went on and on about how the gameplay was shit but I found it better than most games in the genre outside of Vanquish and Max Payne. The level design was better than expected, they managed to keep things fresh and interesting despite being stuck in a single desert location the entire game, it also required lots of vertical aiming, which you don't see in console shooters that much/at all. Squad command system was nice, I wish you could select them individually and give them movement orders instead of just attack, but the game was built around a controller unfortunately.

>>14228546

>Problem is that none of these work well for mirrors since reflection probes are prebaked to avoid a massive CPU performance hit, screen space reflections only reflect stuff visible on-screen and thus won't reflect stuff behind you, and global illumination reflections are very blurry.

Is global illumination what Half Life 2 uses for the security camera feed in the prison section? Because that does kinda describes the image quality of those feeds. Honestly a blurry mirror is better than a mirror that doesn't reflect at all.

>>14221348

There was some really nice set pieces and the concept was extremely fresh at the time. The message was somewhat that the best possible outcome would be not to play, but, honestly, you're just stunting yourself and the developers vision in this regard if you believe that simply because it's meant to be experienced in full I would say. The game is less linear than that of the games it was emulating and shaming, but the level design was indeed fairly linear.

It was nice in that it wasn't 'just another action shooty game' but was actually quite thought provoking as well thanks to the depths it went to bring the characters to life, and even nameless soldiers had some nice lines the gum sharing scene for example. But yea, anyone who bought this game simply to turn it off before they've finished it is just not getting the bang out of their buck.

>>14228586

Talent is word for cucks. Hard work is where it's at, you need to work that shit out out if you want to be good.

>>14228628

Look anyway you fucking cut it the skilled/good/talented/youknowwhathemeansyoupedanticfuck coders aren't going to be working at game studios. At best any coders worth a damn are going to be on the engine creation side since they have to make the damn things in the first place.

>>14228660

Dunno man, I just enjoyed killing everyone.

>>14228674

Wait that sounds wrong

>>14221348

1. Serious answer: The Line wasn't as successful as hoped, so neither the good or the bad of it had much consequence.

2. Meta answer: this place is populated by contrarian cuckchanners who shit on everything good to justify the fact that all they play is normalfag crap but ironically

>>14228230

ArmA.

RO2 does some strange maths with it's hitscan to simulate actual bullets.

>>14228689

Not really if you just hated every character in the game.

>>14221370

And it was pretty good

>>14228690

>vee hates everything XDXD

>>>/reddit/ This is your home now.

None you fag.

>>14229234

Largely this.

>FPS genre at its prime

Quake, Doom, Duke Nukem, Wolfenstein 3D, Unreal Tournament, Aliens vs Predator culminating with Half-Life. Fast-paced arena shooters, but also had tactical military games like Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon and even RPGs like Deus Ex and System Shock.

>The WW2 fad

Cawwadoody, Medal of Honor, and tons of fucking WW2 games.

>FPS genre decays into casualized console trash aimed towards the American dudebro generation

Halo, CoD, GOW, etc. "cinematic" linear brownbloom corridor shooters. I hate to say this but GoldenEye was the start of this trend.

2008~2012 was the dark ages of the FPS genre. Hope you enjoy looking down ironsights in Generic Military Shooter #3562197

The story is nonsense and even though it's meant to critique other military shooters it's actually less realistic than them. It gets praise because people need an "art game" to rally behind and show the grownups that video games are serious too.

>>14228141

I don't know how the Duke3D engine did it, but it didn't require building an identical room. It only required building an empty space behind the mirror that, IIRC, was the same size as the area it's mirroring.

>>14229292

>we need a SERIOUS game with a SERIOUS setting

<what is Descent: Freespace - The Great War

There are so many more examples but this one stands out in my mind the most, along with its sequel.

it gave the "look games can be serious like movies, music and art crowd" purpose to exist

but in reality this is destroying the creativity of the medium by making it to conform to standards that it was supposed to surpass

games by their very designs can do so much more and not be bogged by down this, interactivity is supposed to be utilized as much as possible

this entertainment also has much higher potential of making lore thats beyond whats possible in the real world

look we can do so much more in the gaming world,

lets take those movie, music, art standards and build on top of it, instead of letting that limit us

>>14229311

In all likelihood it didn't even need an empty space, just have the mirror be a transition to a flipped version of the room.

>>14228141

Apparently Duke 3D actually does them properly. That game also has mirrors reflecting shrink ray blasts and getting shattered by thrown pipe bombs. In nineteen-ninety-fucking-six.

>>14229357

I looked into this, and it turns out creating a large empty space used to be needed but in later versions of the engine just a small one was enough.

http://infosuite.duke4.net/index.php?page=ae_walls_b2

>You may notice that the 'behind-the-mirror' sectors in the official maps are bloody enormous. Purportedly this was because mirrors would only work if the 'behind-the-mirror' sector was at least as large as the room it was supposed to display. I'm unsure of what exactly happened that suddenly caused mirrors to work under different circumstances, but if I had to guess, I would say this limitation only existed in v1.3d of the game.

>>14229435

I'm guessing the original implementation temporarily had the viewpoint changed to the opposite relative position for queuing the drawing and still needed to be inside a valid sector. So you required a space big enough that any position where you could view the mirror existing on the other side as being a valid place for a camera to exist.

>>14229435

Interesting. Come to think of it Duke 3D's security screens also continue to display the last view when you exit them, properly. That game was black magic.

>>14229318

Oh and are you the one comparing it to Lovecraft? I meant to screencap that. It really is an interesting game.

>>14229491

No, that wasn't me.

>>14228546

That's not what hair looks like when you come out of a shower.

>>14228573

>>14228580

>>14228586

Many modern engines don't come with portal support because they're usually integrated as part of a culling system and most engines these days don't use portal-based culling. Implementing portals just for a couple mirrors is a huge pain in the ass.

>>14229370

You're forgetting that Duke Nukem 3D also had very simple geometry compared to modern games. Raycasts are really fucking expensive and part of why Unity games run like shit is hipstershits abusing the shit out of them, so as polycount goes up more raycasts = more pain.

>>14229923

>You're forgetting that Duke Nukem 3D also had very simple geometry compared to modern games

You're forgetting that modern games run on exponentially more powerful systems than duke nukem did.

>>14229923

Yeah but this was also around the time when the Pentium II was hot shit. Like Doom, it got a lot of mileage out of the hardware of the day and was a technical marvel.

>>14229937

>You're forgetting that modern games run on exponentially more powerful systems than duke nukem did.

Raytracing is still expensive as fuck, you stupid nigger. Retards like you are the reason why modern video games run like shit, except even most Unityfags aren't retarded enough to make raytraced games.

>>14229997

That's possible, but unless you used a fuckhuge texture your mirror would look really blurry.

>>14230068

DN3D pushed the boundaries while running acceptably on the hardware of the day because it was written by people who care. People throwing stuff together in an off-the-shelf game engine don't have the same capacity to do things correctly, or ability if it's a closed-source engine. Also what about the Quake 3 engine. That also had reflective surfaces, and the teleporters that were like portals. Unreal Engine has those sorts of things as well, and there was that one level in UT99 that had you fall down to a death trap that was above you.

>>14230120

>People throwing stuff together in an off-the-shelf game engine don't have the same capacity to do things correctly, or ability if it's a closed-source engine

Correct. Even if you use the room trick, mirrors are still really hard to do in video games and unless you're a top-tier programmer you're probably best off just avoiding mirrors because they're a massive timesink and will likely kill your performance if you aren't extremely careful.

>>14230068

>Raytracing is still expensive as fuck, you stupid nigger

most game engines aren't even optimized to use all of the processing power available to them. Your low standards are what keeping them stagnant because you will keep eating bullshit thrown towards you by hacks.

>>14229247

>>14229234

While they're still great games, Quake and Half-Life probably did more damage to FPS genre.

>>14230465

Can't have anything that's not a 2d shooter in disguise, aka Doom clone.

>>14230465

Half Life really is mediocre as shit, and with all signs pointing to the series NEVER EVER being completed, the mysterious stuff like G-man is really just lazy writing. I cared long enough to play the games to completion, but never cared to go back for more. I'll play 3 if it happens, but it won't.

>>14228477

>The real reason is that mirrors aren't supported by default in whatever Unreal engine based shit they are using and they can't spend the time to code those in because they don't have the talent as all the real coders were replaced by H1B code monkeys long ago.

this is, of course, the correct answer

>>14230145

>Correct. Even if you use the room trick, mirrors are still really hard to do in video games and unless you're a top-tier programmer you're probably best off just avoiding mirrors because they're a massive timesink and will likely kill your performance if you aren't extremely careful.

you're full of shit, 99% of mirrors are in bathrooms, which are small, enclosed rooms that have no enemies. the performance hit in such an area would be unnoticed.

Someday, people will realize the true potential of videogames.

I wonder what it'll take for the merchants to go away.

>>14230577

total war

>>14230545

There are a lot of people like that, difference is that you can get away with being a complete autist for far longer as anonymous.

>>14221348

It didn't cause any damage. All it did was expose the damage done by Call of Duty and games that copied it.

Don't blame the messenger.

FUCKIN' STAY DOWN

>>14228230

plenty, from what I recall right now FEAR and Borderlands

>>14230691

This tbh it was a pretty hamfisted Deliverymuh wily pete but the message rang true.

>>14221354

>>14221370

>>14221430

The real 4chan experience.

>>14231748

Not a Kilrathi m8.

She's a Caitian, not to be confused with the Kzinti yes those Kzinti, Larry Niven wrote an episode or two of the animated series. i need to actually read Ringworld some day

>>14228230

I think Fallout 3 and New Vegas do it, that and Halo I believe.

>>14228221

>>14228234

Brainlets.

>>14221348

Wouldn't someone outside of this board actually have to remember it for it to have any sort of impact?

>>14228230

Intruder does it really well, especially since it's a Unity game. Too bad it's dead.

If it was a deconstruction of the war hero archetype I would be okay with it. But it seems that the devs actually intended to scold the player for this he did in a virtual environment with no agency to actually make a decision of whether the player wants to do it or not. Whatever deepness they tried to push with the game falls flat if you leave no decision to the player. Compare that to many other games that alter the ending or the way events play out depending on what you do or don't do.

I would not place the blame on that game for starting the cinematic experience meme, though. I would agree with >>14221366

and also check those dubs while I'm at it.

With that aside, I liked what they did with the environment and the OST was pretty good.

>>14229318

>FREESPACE 3

NEVER EVER

>>14232636

Nice damage control for a paid shill. You were obviously worth the money unlike the other faggot.

>>14221461

this game was a pretty sub-par TPS the only thing that made it at all noteworthy was the narrative

>>14232644

I never felt like the game was shitting on me for doing things in order to progress, I don't understand where people are getting that from. There were actually quite a few points where you could actually make meaningful choices. My favorite being the one in the epilogue where you can go with the soldiers that pick you up at the end or fucking lose it.

>>14232698

It wasn't subpar, it just didn't innovate at all in mechanics aside from the sand, the controls are very standard third person cover shooter stuff. The encounter design was well done thanks to good enemy placement with enough enemy types to keep it interesting which led to some good firefights. They actually put the effort in to give you tons of flanking opportunities instead of making it a mindless glorified corridor where you play whack a mole with guns while waiting for your health to regen, there was a lot of thought put into it. Still not as good as Vanquish of course but I highly highly doubt that game will ever be topped in that genre.

>>14221354

>>14221370

>>14221430

Hello cuckchan!

>>14232636

It's supposed to condemn modern military shooters, which it fails at by having a nonsensical story and less realism than Modern Warfare.

>>14233870

It can. Modern hardware can't handle doubling the render load.

>but muh $600 gpu

Lol

>>14234000 (checked)

>It can. Modern hardware can't handle doubling the render load.

It makes me wonder why the engine developers didn't bothered keeping this old rendering technique, since it worked well back then.

>>14231721

To be fair the original Prey did Portals before Portal, its a game which clearly already had the technology to do working mirrors from just re utilising what they did to make the portals work.

>>14234000

>Modern hardware can't handle doubling the render load

which is why you can find games running on modern hardware with working mirrors right?

>>14236500

>I said it wasn't about guilt-tripping you

To clarify and repeat: I think the game's about both PTSD in the army and also a condemnation of excessively linear narratives. The parts guilt-tripping the player are important to that, but only a small part of the bigger picture

>>14236571

no, they have more in common from call of duty from 2003, half-life 2 is from 2004.

>>14236500

The main problem sterns from the whole "white phosphorus" scene, in which you have no choice, but to engage in it, you can't interrogate the guy, that was guarding the entrance instead of simply killing him(and had you done that, he would have told you that they weren't the enemy, and that there were civilians down there), you can't just run and gun through the whole camp(and no saying that there are too many enemies is bullshit, considering that by that point Walker and his gang have killed hundreds of enemy soldiers). You were never given a real choice, of using an alternative route, or trying to negotiate with the soldiers down there, no you HAD to use the white phosphorus and the game more or less insulted you the player for doing that, by showing you how awful you were for killing all those innocent people. Had you been given a real choice of peaceful negotiations or doing something else, even if it was hard to do/find or you needed a guide in order to do so, then yes, there would have been a strong feeling of guilt over killing the civilians, but like this, in a linear game, don't give a shit, did nothing wrong and in the end I "killed" Konrad and escaped the desert with the army, because I am not responsible for the things that a linear game made me do.

>>14236716

>the game insulted you and acted like you had a choice in a situation where you actually had none

That's my point

<'Oh man, this dumbass thinks that the game is meant to be shit!'

No, it's not shit and it's not trying to be. The WP scene is inwardly harrowing and is the part where you can no longer treat Walker like he is naturally good, but I already said why that works.

The WP scene was good IMO, but it was flawed in that it should have made less obvious you had targeted civilians. Personally, I was lucky and didn't catch on before I'd fired, and just told myself that if I'd known, I wouldn't have done it. I find everything afterwards to have been much more disturbing, frankly.

Not much thankfully.

>>14221366

This fag is right, Uncharted in particular.

>>14228432

>WHY THE SHIT ARE MODERN GAMES NOT EVEN TRYING TO DO MIRRORS?

The Talos Principle has a working mirror.

>>14232335

>i need to actually read Ringworld some day

You should, it's really good.

>>14238598

Which Ringworld/Known Space book should I start with anyway? Man-Kzin Wars sounds like something I'd enjoy reading the compilation volume has cat tiddies on the front cover for some reason though

also apparently primates eat a certain root in Ringworld and turn into a giant shriveled old man?

>>14229247

>gaylo

>not an arena shooter

Resot of your post was solid lad 7/10

>>14238629

I'd start with Ringworld then finish the direct sequels before you jump into anything else. I'm sure you've heard of them by now but I'll throw a recommendation at The Culture series too.

>>14236617

Did the first 2 CoD games even make that big a splash? I thought it only really took off with MW/WaW.

>>14238690

CoD 1 was pretty big in its day, it was made by ex-MoH:AA devs and was in many ways a spiritual sequel. Multiplayer for the expansion is still live too with a few thousand fags.

2 was the first one to be a multiplat rather than consoles getting a cucked version and it was also very popular in its day.

4 is where normalfags got into it because the timing of its release was perfect.

>>14238659

The Culture can be hit or miss, but the Player of Games, Use of Weapons and Hydrogen Sonata are pure gold.

>>14236571

Why don't you make another shit thread, Halo autist?

>>14242264

Shame he died really.

>>14242235

I'd say it started declining as early as 2, MW2 was just the point where it lost what remaining value it had.

>>14242235

>CoD 4 was good

I want consolefags to leave.

>>14230429

Reminder yandev fucked off of reddit too.

>>14230429

The irony is, we're the hand that feeds Yandev, not the other way around. Now only of the faggot could his head out of his ass.

>>14232636

>dogshit heart of darkness ripoff

>faggy intentions of the devs

>8/10

Wew

>>14232745

>making up all this bullshit about as generic 3rd person shooter

>>>/reddit/

Holy shit you have low standards. Go play Vanquish you casual.

>>14230275

>because you flipped the pages

Ah yes, because games are just like books, where the story and narration matter first

>>14228432

[spoiler]well the whole game was a simulation{/spoiler] and perhaps it is real hard to simulate mirrors in the lore of that universe, just like real life