/v/ - Video Games

>>14216226

It's not hard to ruin a game/game company.

Just churn out shit that "makes a statement" or was "committee-designed" instead of something that is fun to play and let everything grow around it.

>>14216240

What surprises me is how common it is becoming. These are multi-million dollar games that really can't get out of the ground. One other thing I forgot to add is that most of them are focuses on online communities and gameplay. Maybe that could also be the problem.

I have a really bad feeling video games years from now are all going to come from a single company that just operates via a dozen or so subsidiaries and they're using what can essentially be called controlled opposition to achieve this.

>>14216251

Companies generally start trying new things when profits stop growing. My guess is that things were doing good but the suits decided that they could do a bit extra to please investors, so they look at stuff that's currently popular and makes money and think "This thing is working for these people, why can't it work for me?". So we have games stepping on their toes trying to get an audience that isn't really there or is already playing a different game, more invasive microtransactions and lootboxes, overblown marketing budgets on games that won't deliver on the hype, shorter development times, etc.

>>14216251

What other end state was more probable, anon? This happened before in the 70s when companies who made games back then, got so big for their britches, they forgot what made them industry giants (good games and in-home hardware) to chase the largest avenues of profit.

How is then different from now, really? The actors have changed but the play remains the same. Games had another surge in popularity, companies sprouted up and then consolidated, the directive changed from making games to making money.

Instead of shovelware we have socialware. Games designed to be picked up by unsuspecting users of social media. Mobile games are today's equivalent by far. Games designed to make money through transactions and advertisements. The singular and only reason big-budget triple-A games are still produced is because of franchise name recognition. Everyone and their mother knows that modern day triple-A games aren't for profit but for when the studio needs to show its backers why they should invest. That's why big budget games are made. The real money comes in from DLC and micro-transactions.

Games can no longer turn a profit simply by themselves. Production values are inched to higher and higher standards by corporate suits because whatever is put out needs to look shiner than the other guys' product, or else the backerbux don't come in.

I am going to question how you haven't already been made aware of this or have come to this conclusion yourself. At least for the past 8 years this was palpable in the air but the last 3 have really hammered home the reality of it.

>>14216346

>No X-Men

>That absolutely disgusting PR

>Those ugly ass models

What were they thinking? I'm still baffled as to how they committed enough fuck ups to make Marvel vs motherfucking Capcom flop.

Well, making the game your audience wants or you think your audience wants, instead of the game you want to make is always a surefire way to vidya suicide.

Same shit has been going on with movies for much longer.

>>14216298

In America that's called a monopoly and the government is supposed to come in and break it up. Of course the shattering of Standard Oil and Bell wasn't very successful as both times the smaller companies simply reformed into a handful of regional companies instead. It would be better if it went the way of U.S. steel instead.

>>14216382

That's wrong though. Giving developers full control over their games will often lead to unplayable, shit games.

I think a big factor in this trend is ego. It feels like a lot of the higher-ups get the idea that they're truly special and can do no wrong, so they refuse to listen to underlings who might be offering up some constructive criticism. You see this with Randy Pitchford whose ego exploded after Blands somehow became successful, and then Stillborn dropped and literally nobody cared. Or Cliffy "Cuck" B, who shat out Lawbreakers into a crowded market and offered nothing special, but believed that he was the second coming of video game Jesus and that anyone who pointed out that it wasn't all that great was just being a hater.

Or for an example I can speak longer about, Destiny 2. For some reason, Luke Smith (the newly promoted director of the game) decided that what Destiny really needed to be was a "balanced" competitive shooter, when PVP really didn't make up more than half of the game, if that. I mean, anyone who's played a game with PVE and PVP modes knows the problems that arise with trying to keep things balanced between the two, something that cursed Destiny 1 over the course of its existence, with much of the game's tweaks being done in relation to the Trials of Osiris "competitive" PVP. The solution for D2 was basically to nerf gun damage so that players would take longer to kill each other, nerf super and ability regen so you couldn't use them constantly, and move almost all of the cool and interesting weapons to one slot with very limited ammo so that you couldn't go running around with snipers or shotguns all the time. On top of that, they also removed random rolls on guns in order to limit the total variability in PVP, changed subclasses to only have two fixed perk trees instead of a wide variety of perks to customize at will, and hampered players' mobility and health regen (especially if you play a hunter, no regen for you). And that's without going into the myriad other issues the game has content-wise.

The overall result has been catastrophic, with just about everyone agreeing that these changes were horribly thought out and should never have been executed, and the community of the game continuing its outrage at Bungie. Ironically, the PVP isn't even all that competitive, with the meta being completely stagnant since release and every match boiling down to teams pecking at each other from a distance, without the crazy plays that made D1 PVP interesting. Even one of these major reworks would have shaken up the game considerably, but for all of them to be implemented at once? I mean, I'm sure someone at Bungie stood up at some point and said "y'know, this is pretty stupid, we shouldn't do this," but I'm also pretty sure that nobody higher up bothered listening. It also doesn't help that they don't put any of these things out for public testing, except for that single week beta where you could barely test anything at all.

Like I said, I think a lot of it boils down to ego. When you think you're hot shit, you refuse to listen to criticism, even if that criticism boils down to "hey, maybe you shouldn't drive over that cliff."

>>14216446

Worst part is, Destiny 1 barely had any interesting skills in the subclass skill trees. Only fun things I remember are the shoulder bash on the titan, and the dodge roll on the hunter, everything else was pretty boring, but they somehow managed to make it even worse in D2. But I'm glad D2 imploded and is currently dying at light speed.

Tribes Ascend.

>>14216251

>What surprises me is how common it is becoming.

This is because of the previous progress. The more games we have the more difficult to invent something new not something players already played.

>One other thing I forgot to add is that most of them are focuses on online communities and gameplay.

This is only real way to make money because of the piracy.

>>14216446

It's funny you'd say that because i played a bit of destiny 2 at a mate's house and i've got to tell, the boring treadmill mmo bullshit? sure that i understand, it's like warframe. I think it's shit but i understand what some normalfags with no taste might like about it.

The pvp however? how the fuck can anyone enjoy that? it's fucking garbage, you're better off with whatever is the latest call of duty or something. I was shocked at how shit it was and i can't believe people spend time in it

>>14216481

I'd post the webm if I had it. What happened to the music industry is what's been in the gaming industry for ages.

>>14216506

But at least in D1, you could create your own custom builds with those perks. Some were more interesting than others, sure, but you controlled how your character was built. That's completely gone in D2.

For comparison:

>D1 talent trees: 6561 possible variations

>D2 talent trees: 36 possible variations

>>14216546

The biggest problem with the PVP was their consolidation of everything into 4v4 and two playlists: quickplay (clash, control, supremacy) and competitive (survival, countdown). Not only did this axe many of the game modes from D1, it also removed the free-for-all gametype and the larger team games as well. 4v4 for everything just isn't that much fun.

If you want more proof of how bad their "competitive" changes were, the Trials gametype (the "ultimate" competitive mode) has consistently hit record lows week after week, even when including Trials in D1. It's gotten to the point where teams will end up rematching each other because the game can't find enough teams to ensure a unique match every time. So much for competitive, I guess.

<I had typed a long answer, and accidentally closed the fucking browser.

Let's go again.

>>14216319

The classic problem of letting the company be run by people that only wants money out of it. If you are in a creative/competitive market, this can't be sustained I think. They usually only take short term decision in their benefit, the company is secondary.

>>14216338

The thing I can't agree is that DLC can be well delivered. It can be done in a efficient and non predatory way. But the first step is an engaging game to keep the person there, playing it and wanting more. And I am not talking about Skinner Boxes. And this can be true even in games from big companies. A recent example of how this can be achieved was R6: Siege. From a complete DLC riddle disaster, to a DLC riddle game. They managed to keep it afloat, improved the game and kept the gigantic DLC. While the volume of DLC is absurd for a game that you need to pay to play, Ubishit manage to not let it die, and even make it grow. So I think that, if you let developers that do care take the reigns for a while, you can have good results for the company, and, in a way, for the players.

And nowadays, most of the biggest companies are publishers, I think that in the 70's and 80's that was not very common, and, in fact we had plenty of indie shit too on Atari, so, it was not like big companies had full control of the market, but they did took the whole boat to the ocean floor with the bad decisions on a large scale.

>>14216346

They made UMvsC 3 look like a masterpiece.

>>14216350

Four words. One Letter.

LIAR!

Usually, that is mostly a consequence of a development which control is not with the developers.

>>14216446

Makes sense. See EDF as an example. Because the focus is on coop PVE, that thing still works like a charm, even if the games are usually rehashed, with small changes, and people still love them because the core concept was kept alive.

>>14216481

>>14216566

And at the same time, we seen when that isn't the case how well things can go, as in Divinity 2, Cuphead or KOF XIV.

>>14216541

I think CDPR and some other developers already proved that to be false. Piracy never killed good games. We have some messed up stories like the one with Titan Quest, but that is more complex, and even had gamejounos pirating the game and acting as if it was not the case.

>>14216516

I don't think luck is out of the equation, but it surely is only one factor. If you have a good product to offer first, then you can count on luck. I agree that games do not have a perfect formula to work with, but certain things should be present, and we can learn from past mistakes and successes too.

>>14216319

This answer is 99% right and the closest thing we'll ever get to the truth about what's going on. Personally, I also have an addendum to it:

(((suits))) have always existed and have always, FUCKING ALWAYS tried to shove things into and out of the games. Back when Sonic happened and someone finally beat those pesky nips at their own game even via western marketing, everyone and their grandmothers wanted to create another mascot-platformer with their own movement gimmick. When the first Cowadoody demonstrated that a game made entirely of set pieces can be immensely entertaining, suits scrambled to get people on board with similar titles. When the ill-conceived Chest-High-Walls were shoved in vidya, no one stopped and thought about their original design choice and whether it was that good to begin with, they knew people were buying games with it and concentrated their efforts on creating more of the same.

BUT

In every pre 2007 good game with original content, the developers behind ACTIVELY FOUGHT THE SUITS TO GET THEIR SHIT APPROVED OR KEPT IN OR REMOVED. Naughty Dog threatened to leave the project if they couldn't get Crash his original name; Wario Ware was developed in secret, because the devs knew their higher ups would have never approved its release if they didn't have an already finished title; fucking Donkey Kong happened because Shiggy was too much of a Popeye lover to let his fan wank go to waste due to superfluous reasons such as "copyright infringement". Of course this could also be because of how big dev teams and marketing teams are right now compared to even five to ten years ago, but pahjeets, dysfunctional nips, liberal art graduates from Cally and "i wanna gwow up to make bidiagames" tier shmucks have absolutely nothing against oldschool hobbyists, autistic slavs and the otaku samurai warriors. When Cave Story came out, Pixel really fucking wanted it to exist. When Mass Effect Andromeda came out, the kike writers really wanted their paycheck and recognition.

>>14216745

>Ubishit manage to not let it die, and even make it grow

I skim the Siege threads occasionally, and from what I see people are getting fed up with the game. The grind wall gets bigger if you don't want to pay through the nose, and even if you do buy the newest operators at release, the tone of the game has shifted from an exaggerated but believable adaptation of military equipment to an opinionated alt chick with dyed green hair and a fanfiction background.

She's Polish, too, which insults me on a personal level.

The balance is also apparently fucked because they're designing it around statistical averages of the entire playerbase, rather than people who are actually good enough to play at a level where balance decisions affect them rather than being atomized by gunfire from all angles.

>DLC can be done well

I don't mean to split hairs, but we already know what this is: an expansion pack. Make a game and ship it, then start work on a small expansion during the month or two you have while it's being pressed to disc and distributed. A few months after launch, the studio announces the expansion (priced reasonably). Interest is renewed for people who haven't bought it, and players who have finished it are another potential income source.

>>14216516

>It is simple. Usually even developers who made good game don't know what makes them good game. Nobody knows. It is pure luck.

Plenty of developers know how to make games that people will buy and enjoy. It isn't difficult to make a 7/10 or 8/10 game. Start with a solid base and develop it further. The reason most games are trash is that they are worse versions of something that already exists.

>>14216394

It just now dawned on me that I've seen Psylocke's vagánia.

>>14216336

This.

The sooner games become a completely free entertainment medium, the better.

As it was done to the music industry, and now the movie industry, games must be taken away from the hands of useless suits who only want profit and not quality.

>>14216226

I think the problem is the desire to chase the Western (read: CoD/WoW/GTA/Madden) market. It's what killed Devil May Cry and Castlevania, and it's what's killing Monster Hunter now with World.

>>14218499

What killed DmC was that it was outsourced to a bunch of brittish faggots who hated the original anime-ish aesthetics of the francise, so they redesigned it to look good in their own opinion and in turn caused a PR shitstorm that could have easily been avoided.

>>14216963

>Siege

I personally think the reason that happened was because Ubisoft didn't give a fuck about Siege at the start. I'm sure they were expecting it to die while they were doubling down on Division and Wildlands. But Wildlands sucked and Division took too long to actually become fuckin playable while Siege got updates that improved it along with keeping a steady playerbase.

Now they're doubling down on Siege and what do we get? Fanfic-tier backstories for operators, obvious cute girl bait designs and a god damn zombies mode coming.

>>14216365

>I'm still baffled as to how they committed enough fuck ups to make Marvel vs motherfucking Capcom flop.

Current year Marvel + current year Capcom. When you consider that it's really a wonder that they didn't manage to fuck up twice as bad.

>>14218532

But it looked good. Art design was the one of the only good things about the reboot.

>>14218718

>12mb gif

for what purpose

>>14218800

Normalfag websites still don't support webm for "extra long animated picture", or anything whatsoever. The only place you could see this is imageboards and twitter.

The industry you see before you is what happens when something gets run by suits and marketers.

Don't let them fool you: they have no fucking idea what they're doing nor do they understand what's popular.

>>14216226

It's the jews, dummy. They're the CEOs of most companies, they're 90% of higher-ups all across the boards, all they care about is making quick buck and being glorified sandniggers they can't make good decisions for shit. Being a cut-throat scumbag works pretty well if success is defined by your ability to walk on people's heads, not so much if you have to actually deliver a high quality product.

>>14218268

>Sequel adherence syndrome

If dead rising 4 was actually adhering closely to the series's formula we would have gotten something that is playable and not throwaway garbage.

>>14218828

I always turned the voice off when I watched Bailey's videos because I thought he would sound manly and ruin everything. The voice is honestly better than what I expected

>>14218828

>actual trap

>3d

Ugh

>>14218268

>and were basically slaves to the competitive crowd who are only "good" at playing video games for money and can't design them for shit.

See, this is objectively wrong because most pros complain about the things the game is lacking that MAKE it a good game. Hell the only reason the faggots even play the game is BECAUSE it pays. They bitch about it all the while. ( Funny enough, no esports "pro tour" shit for MVCI is why even the shills let the game die, so that goes to show that without the money there, they wouldn't even play SF5. ) The reason SF5 is shit is because it's made as a mass consumption spectator sport with a 100% esport focus for knuckledragging faggots to watch and go "DURR, I COULD BE THAT GUY ONE DAY IF I BUY THIS GAME!", paired up with the low bar for entry and execution that makes brainless rushdown friendly gameplay the very core of the game.

It's the same fucking shit Blizzard did with Overwatch. Designed a fucking game from the ground up to be a money printing, soulless vessel to push the esports scene and capitalize on idiots paying money for 'virtual tickets' to 'leagues' and rooting for teams like it's some kind of fucking sportsball event.

>>14216541

>hurr durr piracy

EU had financed a 300 page piracy report and then shut it down becasue turned out piracy doesn't impacts profits.

>>14218953

Turn off the video too. He is grotesque ugly.

>Battleborn

>Lawbreakers

>MvsC Infinite

>Riders of the Broken Planet

>Destiny 2

>Street Fighter V

>Dead Rising 4

It seems to be just capcom being retarded for the most part.

>>14216226

Who the fuck thought a Nerf Ballzooka looked badass?

>>14219111

The same people that thought Bandit/Scav guns looked good being red hunks of metal and nothing else.

>>14218718

>>14218800

I don't even think it's optimized.

>>14217785

> Start with a solid base and develop it further. The reason most games are trash is that they are worse versions of something that already exists.

But how the fuck you will end with worse version of already made? Its is very simple as you say, start with solid base you already ahve and add good stuff, don't add bad. But here is the problem nobody knows what is good or bad on fundamental level, there is no theory of the game. So they add bad staff thinking it good because they don't the difference.

Lets start abstract above anything and go to barebone basics of game mechanics. "What size of characters would be? What his speed relative to size? What radial and linear acceleration character should achieve? What size of game area comparing to the size and speed of character?" 99% of developers would be like: "WTF are you talking about? We were thinking about should it be a pirate or a ninja, give him a sword or a gun? Acill…Acceleration? What does this word even means?" See. Fundamentals of gameplay, how are they determined? What size and speed is good, what is bad? Obviously there is unplayable values and optimum (or optimums) probably exist too. ("no-no-no Bigger is always better! mine is bigger than yours!") So what numbers? Ooops. Nobody knows, there is no theory of that, developers are completely blind here, they are just poking with stick in dark. These numbers appear from nowhere, just assembled by random process, some coder monkey who does physics code writes in random numbers from the top of his head (most probably numbers he had in his previous works) and this is how actual gameplay, what defines the game, is born.

>>14216541

>MUH PIRACY

The majority of reliable studies on this topic have turned up with no real evidence that piracy affects various industries negatively.

Piracy is a boogeyman that companies chase.

>>14219166

Most studies show that pirates either truly cannot afford shit, or they buy more media than anybody else in their income brackets.

>>14219172

Minimum wage in the eastern europe is around 500 euros. Do you really think these people can afford 60 dollars for a game?

>>14219166

Tell this to Riot and Wargaming who roll in the gold. Small indie companies scoring jackpot without AAA resources. Do you think they would be able to extract same amount of money from their crowd if their games could be pirated from russian trackers?

>>14219201

Have you ignored what I just said or are you b8ing?

It can be hard to tell these days.

>>14216775

>Chest-High-Walls

What's that?

>>14219233

The silly term for cover in cover-based shooters. How the fuck do you not know this?

>>14216775

>ill-conceived Chest-High-Walls

They were no ill-conceived. This was keen design to circumvent glaring deficiency of gamepads in the aiming ability. 3-rd person cover based shooter is what really made shooters rolling on consoles for general crowd. Try to invent another mechanics that allows player in combat to stand still and aim at stationary target 5 seconds and you will see genius of Chest-High-Walls.

>>14218828

Wait that's a GUY?

>>14216226

>Riders of the Broken Planet

I have never heard of this game, was it really hyped up at all? because this is the first time I ever heard about it. on this particular example I daresay they didn't do enough marketing.

>>14218996

>300 page piracy report

Link?

>>14219353

That game is one of the most amazing disasters I've ever witness.

Imagine a game that is not inherently bad. It have creative designs, good art and sound direction, and satisfying gameplay, with each character really being different. It even have a cool lore to go with it.

Now imagine throw it all into the garbage for the most aggressive and absurd progression and monetization schemes ever conceived in gaming.

>You can play all levels on single player or coop.

>But the game was clearly built around coop, which is fine.

>Coop is online only.

>You can only progress your characters abilities, and get new weapons if you play online,

>But you also have a mode called antagonist, where you need to face other players and make them fail a level, all by yourself.

>If you manage to stop them, you get a badge, but if you fail, you lose a badge

>Without badges you can't acquire new weapons at all.

>Most characters and abilities are locked by two different currencies, gold and another I forgot, and the only way to get a constant influx of those is playing online.

>Gold is limited if you play by yourself, the other currency can only be obtained online.

>It have microtransactions, and one character or costume can cost as much as 40 dollars

>It is episodic.

It is one of the most insane schemes to get money I've ever seen.

>>14219534

Seems like the embed failed. Here is the video.

>>14219534

>It have creative designs

>It have microtransactions

Are you east Asian?

>>14219602

I bet 90% of vidya devs make horrible parents.

>>14219233

Lurk Moar and kys.

>>14217023

What fucking committee thought a fucking speed cap was a good idea?

>>14216226

Couple of reasons, but I think the biggest is that publishers have way too much control over the game development process. It's a bunch of suits who are pushing products they don't give a shit about. It's not just that they don't understand the market they're selling into, they don't WANT to give a shit about it. They sit on top of stacks and stacks of focus group testing that tests the wrong people and analysis of market trends written by retards from clueless consulting firms.

Games used to be better when most developers were independent and staffed by people who wanted to make good games. Most of them were kids in the 70s and 80s and grew up playing lots of board games or making their own campaigns in pen-and-paper RPGs. Now those people have sold their studios and left the industry.

>>14219602

>And I am pissed that I had to read the ending to HL3 in a motherfucking pastebin

U wot? Did I miss something?

>>14218828

>implying traps and shemales are the same thing

You are gay.

>>14219221

Not even indies are worth spending your money.

Even when a indie studio makes good games, as soon as they get too much money or receive too much praise, they go full greedy/jew and (most of them) also go full marxist.

Never pay for entertainment.

Acquire it for free.

>>14220242

How are they different?

>>14219534

It looks like Killzone + latex + lots of yellow paint.

>>14220527

Do you actually want to know the difference? I don't think you do.

>>14220642

good point.

>>14219641

They had to because the netcode broke above a certain speed. The game was shit from the ground up and anyone who didn't see that immediately after 5 minutes in the beta is a retard or didn't play Starsiege or T2.

>>14219534

You really hit it on the nose with the jewry going no. I grabbed the demo and actually enjoyed playing the free level co-op and trying out the available heros. After trying the available ones I checked our how to get new ones and i was actually amaxzed.

Two ways to get characters, in game gold, which is earned from playing online. The end of a mission has currency rewards. You pick a reward, except it gets split between everyone who picks that currency. The more people pick it the less everyone gets.

It really really is designed to make you buy their other currency with "micro"transactions

>>14219534

That system doesn't even make sense.

It's like whoever devised it learned about, micro transactions, in-game currencies and how progress happens in video games through a game of telephone.

>>14220527

Shemales are futa and traps are girly boys.

>>14220688

Wasn't there some story about the TQ devs wanting to put more quests in based off actual mythology and the publishers pushing back for various idiotic reasons?

>>14220865

I remember the one about the horrendous boxart being used behind their backs while they made an actually decent one that got scrapped.

>>14220688

>>14220865

I remember that but I don't have the screenshot. They had fleshed out enemies and great AI but then the suits told them that they had to change it because players would feel bad about killing things that had sentience, so they had to scrap a shitton of quests and enemy designs.

>>14220941

After what happened to Everquest I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be sabotage from Blizzard.

>>14220928

<And the meat of the game? It should totally be you resolving the daddy issues of your teammates

I didn't mind having the loyalty missions as optional quests, but I hated that not doing them led to your party members getting killed. How does helping Garrus get revenge give him a better chance at surviving the end game?

>>14220941

The most detail I remembered was the devs talking about how they hated how generic some of the quests ended up being in the end.

>>14220928

Mass Effect was never good.

>>14217836

please stop, it still hurts.

I remember watching the shazbowl.

>>14221039

What a glorious day that was.

>reddits team of all stars who trained for weeks beat by an autistic furry, a ragtag group of /v/irgins and a BR with 140 ping

>>14220346

Yeah, and most of them are just one-hit wonders anyways. They have no intention of actually becoming a small vidya company and just want to stay on their indie "artist" comfort zone.

>>14221021

Why is that hairy grapefruit wearing glasses?

>>14216226

Can I throw SEGA and SONY in this shame too? I know both did a lot of changes or damage to their franchises for pandering the western audience or add things that currently trendy.

Some modern examples:

Sega added moba elements to DoW3 and Sony creating or turning them into Uncharted clones like the new God of War.

>>14219534

This fucking game was made by the same developer that made last year's Metroid: Samus Returns 3DS remake and it's rumored that RotBP was pitched as a sequel to Metroid Prime Hunters with a backup plan to turn it into a new IP if the pitch didn't get picked up by Nintendo.

>>14221352

Those spaniard fucks must give some A class blowjobs what with all of the unwarranted attention and money they get.

>>14218953

>voice

>Did the fact that he's a fat balding man not deter you?

>>14216541

Get out, seriously.

If even after all these years of discussion, plenty of first and second hand experiences, and a fucking 300 page study of the fucking EU proving that piracy isn't nearly as bad for the industry as (((they))) say, you still go on about "muh piracy", then you're most probably a shill, or a dumbass. Either way, get the fuck out or lurk more.

>>14221360

>tfw no spaniard cuteboy sucking your dick to get his game pitch across

>>14222072

Who in here is saying otherwise?

>>14222072

But what if it looks like a girl?

>>14221210

Because that grapefruit got paid Disney money to shit on Magneto. He bought them from the gift stand in Disney World.

>>14216541

Shit games and anti-consumer practices are what causes low sales and low profit.

When the industry is pushing for lootboxes (aka online extortion), the industry itself is to blame for the low sales of it's products and low income of it's services.

>>14221140

Yes. And the more confortable they are, the worse their products become. And even when they leave it and start to take risks, it won't change the fact that they are pretty much guaranteed to become greedy suits as soon as they get fame and profit.

>>14225105

Hi Bump

>>14221360

>>14221352

They're also the guys behind Lords of Shadow and a game very loved by /v/… Severance: Blade of Darkness

>>14216319

These managers and "suits" would benefit from reading about biology, ecosystems, and something called niche survival strategies. When one guys finds a niche and exploits it you COULD try to copy what he is doing, but that guy is ALREADY doing that. Kind of like if a weasel sees how successful birds are at fishing, so he goes through the effort to grow wings so he can fish too, but what the fuck the pond is ALREADY FULL OF FUCKING BIRDS!

And now you have a weasel with wings that isn't even a good weasel anymore.

But Im giving these people the benefit of the doubt; the truth is that these management types have already found their niche in life. They crawl up into the deepest flaps and folds of the company, hook in their pincers and suck until the company is dead and then move on with a spotless resume.

>>14219213

What? Since when could I not pirate indie games, the only ones that don't get cracked are the <$3 dollar games that are just the equivalent of flash games and no one wants to play those. Every major indie game (as in, at least 100 people know about) has been cracked.

>>14217023

>>14216928

>>14217809

>>14217836

>never played the Tribes 1

>thinks Ascend was ever good

Fuck off.

>>14219367

Here Anon

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

This video shows some interesting stories. If it is correct, plenty of bad stuff was already brewing for more than 15 years.

>>14227592

No it fucking wasn't you tard. Ascend threw away every bit of correct physics that was essential to playing Tribes. Disc launcher had barely a tenth of the impulse that T1 had and you were already speed capped compared to T1. Not to mention 0 custom server hosting. Ascend was always a stain on the Tribes legacy even if you fags won't admit it.

>>14232432

Why have this much control over who plays your awful vidya?

>>14232432

Little did I realize that video games were the path to minority report.

>>14232468

It has such an awful title I imagine a lot of people thought it was the same game as the last one.

>>14232432

To think my favorite game of all time is Diablo 2. How could the same devs of Diablo 1 & 2, Starcraft Broodwar and Warcraft 3 go to fucking shit so quickly?

>>14232432

It would be a shame if there were a bunch of bitter jerks that impersonated various Overwatch players and got them banned for posting things on social media.

I mean seriously, this has to be a plan to drive people away from Overwatch so that they can justify shuttering it before they are forced to actually make new content and not just cannibalize things made for Project Titan by people with actual talent.

>>14232560

I would be shocked if a single person who worked on those games, aside from the art asset churn team, was still working at the company.

>>14232527

>overwatch can be made not shit

>>14221202

You forgot the single player mode that they delayed the game for that doesn't exist.

>>14232581

>"I would be shocked if a single person who worked on those games, aside from the art asset churn team, was still working at the company."

Good point, anon, You're probably right.

>>14232589

>the game with the big heads that nobody remembers

what game?

>>14237976

>They will refund playres, but, I wonder why they want to kill it so badly.

They want their employees working on Fortnite because it's what is making them money.

>>14237976

Those first 3 screenshots would leave me to believe this is a Diablo knockoff.

>>14237976

>Serath

>Lt. Belica

Man those are some fine designs. Original, plausible looking and tight implied sexiness.

>>14237994

A Diablo knockoff would probably have been better than what they actually made.

>>14233415

Revolution 60, if I had to guess.

>>14237997

You have my respect for typing while blind.

>>14237976

I actually really liked the Countess design.

When it comes to triple A, why do so many of you idiots think it's the developers fault? Unless they're self-published it's almost always a case of the investors trying to kike as much money out of as many people as possible.

>>14238173

Shouldn't have sold the studio then!

Shouldn't have gotten a publisher then!

Shouldn't have investors then!

Shouldn't have spineless CEO's then!

Why am I so angry?

>>14238212

Cause you have no power or authority in real life.

>>14238220

Excellent dexterity on that heart stab.

>>14238238

The painful part is that the technical competency of the work put into the characters cannot be denied. There were some talented artists there, carefully building these models at the service of a shit game that no one would play. Imagine being capable and doing your best and still end up jobless because there was no judgement behind the game design.

>>14238350

It looks like they're grasping at straws trying to jump on the current bandwagon. Hero arenas are kill, so they'll surely try a battle royale thing.

>>14238350

>>14237976

I wonder if Terra has silly Space Marine proportions under that armor

>>14238571

Fat body, skinny head.

>>14238173

It's the gamers' fault. Companies are right to exploit retards with the lowest quality product they can get away with and they still turn over big millions of profit. I love seeing retards defend garbage fueled by implicit buyer's remorse, it's so fucking funny. Gamers are cucks and they deserve what is happening to them. At no point did they consider not buying a shitty game, so now they have to live in the shit fort they funded themselves with their own money. I can't wait until all games become episiodic or statement games and gamers, the cucks that they are, will still buy those en masse.

>>14220693

TBF Tribes 2 was broken in all of its own ways.

>>14232989

Futa doesn't always = hermaphrodites

>>14238282

>girlyboy

Biological male with female characteristics.

>>14238121

>Liking the countess design

>Not realizing its just a ripoff of GI Joe's Baroness with retarded straight blade katanas.

You have shit taste and I'm happy this shitty game I've never heard of is failing.

>>14232432

wtf

>>14216336

>>14216319

Product-oriented people like engineers don't get promoted to management positions. Money-oriented and marketing-oriented people do.

Money and marketing people don't have a fucking clue what makes a product good or why anybody would want it, and they don't even know how to care about that. All they care about is selling whatever basic easy-to-market shit they whip their employees into making.

>>14232432

They would, of course, offer a full refund when they ban you for arbitrary reasons, right?

>>14242550

Refund? What's that?

>>14242756

What the fuck?

>>14242730

Welcome to Disney's Soy Wars.

>>14242819

As if i didn't feel like shit enough today,here comes this.

>>14242847

>>14242824

It gets worse when you read the first book's synopsis.

>Are the Creepers and zombies terrified – or attracted – to Steve’s toxic smell?

>>14242670

This is fetish writing, isn't it?

>>14242861

Call me whatever flavor of the week insult you like,but the recent updates have been nice in my opinion.

>>14242905

You are a Tofu Titsboy.

>>14242924

Thanks,that actually gave me a snort in my sad day.

>>14242905

Kind of agreed, the upcoming difficulty changes are whack though

>>14220928

>Seriously, what the hell were they smoking?

copious amounts of dick

>>14242905

No one cares, they killed the game a long time ago and everyone got it out of their system. Enjoy your shit taste in private.

>>14232432

I've never heard this guy's voice, but boy he sounds just as expected.

>Let's secretly make the game into a marxist shithole

Literally the Rick & Morty of videogames, any other game is more offensive including Mario games.

>>14242550

TRUMP WON WE LOST NO REFUNDS

>>14216521

>Dynamix ditched A10 flybys and Earthsiege mecha simulation for the shitty quack 3 meme arena fad.

Tribes can die in a fire.

>>14254850

Kill yourself sodomite

>>14242670

>2nd pic

Is that from that kids oriented nu-SW book by Ben Acker and Ben Blacker or that is from a serious (and now canon) nu-SW novel?

>>14254766

The mosquito looks the same.

Galaxy change is bigger wings and different turret placements.

Lightning is different turret

>>14254668

>Dynamix defunct

>nobody here even cares

They really should have stopped with Starseige Tribes and gone back to Mecha simulation as ST was perfect.

>>14254766

First game had good concepts of not being a Battlefield or Call of Duty fuckfest with you having to coordinate real carefully with your entire army, sequel was a mess of ideas.

>>14242670

Chuck Soyboy is Jimmy Neutron's father.

>We're gonna wibble-wobble all over space-spacey, Jimbo-Jambo

>>14254541

Man watching that video makes me want to play it again.

>>14216521

Global Agenda was better

>>14254850

I wanna know what this is from, but only if it has more stupid dialogue like that.

>>14255645

This sounds like another Evolve just waiting to happen.

>>14258660

>you should play Overwatch since tf2 is no longer kosher.

>>14216346

MvCi looks like it was made by a different company, what the fuck happned?

>>14267329

Capcom believed a chink agent and neutered their own development staff and relations with Japanese contractors just to placate western developers who were all going to abandon them anyway. This is actually the first time they developed a fighting game fully in house in over a decade and a half.