/v/ - Video Games

To start this thread off, i wanted to ask people what strategy people used to get through the lv 1 dungeons in Pokemon mystery dungeon? As a kid, i couldn't figure it out, and i didnt' really care but I am now curious cause i think i'll emulate it soon.

>>14190641

If you like unintuitive numbers autism try an old pc game called Mordor Depths of Dejenol

>>14190641

Legend of Grimrock has real-time combat but it still uses a grid-based movement system.

There's a similar game called Heroes of the Monkey Tavern as well.

3 Untold never ever.

>>14191795

The world is made out of a grid. You move on the grid in real time. I'm not sure what's confusing you. Imagine something like old Pokemon and its world that is made out of squares, except with real time combat and more complex.

>>14190641

There is none that you could classify as a "dungeon crawler only". I suggest looking into action RPGs with dungeons, like Dragon's Dogma.

>>14190316

Get to fuck my harem of waifus to raise everyone's morale.

>>14191805

Oh shit, yeah that makes sense, I think i was just over thinking.

Thanks anon

I love Dungeon crawlers and vita has some good ones

But they are all literally the exact same fucking game

>>14191805

So something like Diablo except on a grid?

Any dungeon crawlers that are actually like traditional roleplaying games? Only ones I can think of are Angband and Nethack, which don't really count.

>>14192190

>Any dungeon crawlers that are actually like traditional roleplaying games?

The majority of old Dungeon Crawlers is like that. The question is how old can the games be that you are tolerating.

>>14192179

Nah.

>>14192179

If the previous comments are anything to go off of, it seems they should have included a disclaimer about only allowing the discussion of JRPGs.

>>14193544

Ye same people or different they all are exactly the same game

>>14192878

Is Might and Magic X worth playing? Steam reviews are terrible mostly because it chose to play like Grimrock instead of allowing you to move in all directions but as its own game, is it good?

>>14190641

Ultima Underworld/Arx Fatalis

>>14190641

How about Might and Magic 6-8? They have turn-based combat for pussies and real-time combat.

Those games are fucking amazing.

>>14197316

no

>>14197373

>I have yet to see one that didn't require you to grind in order to win.

Rance 6

>>14197373

Take your ass back to atari days and never come back.

>>14197387

You'd best be joking nigger, Rance 6 has a sharp level curve, especially at the final boss - and that's without doing the true ending. Even if you do all of the side-quests, you'll still find yourself vastly under leveled.

>>14197352

Mind explaining your opinion a bit?

>>14197427

Face it nigger, you're just shit at one of the easiest genres.

>>14197436

You're right, it is easy. All you have to do is grind for hours on end and the game will be finished quicker than a turkey dinner. The only problem is I don't want to waste my time like that.

>>14197477

But you don't have to grind at all. You just fucking suck at reading skill descriptions. Stop embarassing yourself.

>>14190641

Dragon's Dogma

The expansion is entirely about dungeon crawling.

The main storyline is basically a tutorial.

>>14197734

>>14191795

Pretty sure Grimrock takes after the Might and Magic/AD&D games.

So your movements are confined to a grid, but battles and movement happen in real-time. You have cooldowns on how often you can perform certain actions such as attacks, like an Active-Time Battle system, and during cooldowns you're free to move around while enemies wail on you.

>>14197776

You are also free to move while you perform an attack. You can avoid just about every attack in Grimrock. Been playing Grimrock 1 for the past week, at dungeon level 7. Sure takes a while to pass each level, which is good. I take my time finding each secret though.

>>14198219

I see. That is unfortunate.

>>14198226

The first game is definitely the grindiest but every other game after that is really just games with high encounter rates. Which isn't out of the ordinary for the genre in general.

Every Etrian on the 3DS has been the opposite of grindy, they've streamlined every aspect of party management in order to appeal to casuals and I feel like the series is suffering for it to an extent. I really like V so far though.

>>14198792

I do want to play EO2 but I hated EO1's post game. The 6th stratum was bullshit in every way.

>>14198226

The only "shitty" part would be leveling up the apprentices left by retired party members.

Watch this post get parroted in future threads.

>>14190324

If you feel too weak, then stay on the weaker levels and level up. Also collect rocks and thorns so you can fight from a distance.

Can anyone recommend a dungeon crawler on PS4? Preferably one that isn't infested with the school-kids anime trope bullshit, but I realise that's a longshot on the weeb machine.

Has anybody played astrologia odyssey? how is that as a dungeon crawler?

>>14198968

Hoping in vein, westaboo. Indies and triple A trashers don't care about niche markets.

>>14200184

>Hoping in vain

Fuck my sausage fingers

>>14198845

Dungeon Explorer, Crystal Beans, and I think there's a Dungeon Explorer 2 on the Sega CD

>>14198792

The only problem with the 3DS games is the existence of story mode and 2U as a whole.

>>14193544

>may never.

>Dungeon travelers 2-2

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>14197373

>>14197408

>He had to grind in Etrian Odyssey

>He had to grind in fucking Rance 6 of all games

You're either horribly bad or you have a different concept of what grinding is than the rest of us.

For example, it's customary in dungeon crawlers to explore and complete the entirety of an area before moving to the next one, or at the very least aim to complete the map as much as you can. If you, while doing this, defeat every single encounter you get, then that wouldn't count as grinding.

Most of the exp you get in dungeon crawling is from doing exactly this, so I guess that if you consider anything other than rushing to the current objective for the area just to move on to the next one, without exploring even the 50% of the map, then I could understand that you get the feeling that games such as Etrian Odyssey or Rance 6 actually require grinding in order to complete. Then again, I would argue back that you're playing dungeon crawlers the wrong way.

>>14197734

CORNHOLIO

Are there any dungeon crawling and/or Roguelike games with a good story?

>>14206465

>>14208895

Atlus is still releasing 3DS games too. Persona Q2 and that mystery EO game is announced plus that Strange Journey remake coming out in May.

>>14197373

>Etrian Odyssey

>Grinding

Maybe for the first 2 or 3 floors, but once you have a couple skill points under your belt, the game's really not that hard.

>>14197427

>Tank

>Physical attacker

>Magic attacker

>Healer

>Buffer/Debuffer

It's not that complicated. Unless you're trying to run something stupid like 5 mages, I don't see how it can be so difficult.

>>14212804

That's the same build I did for Etrian Odyssey 3 and 4, but I was still forced to grind. Face it, the games are as shit as Bravely Default and Disgaea.

>>14212826

>forced to grind

Get gud. The only time i had to grind was the 1st couple floors because you dont get enough skill points to kill stuff easy, and it wasnt that bad of a grind either.

>>14212826

Dude, my EO3 party had really haphazard synergy and I still did fine

>Gladiator/Shogun, Arbalist/Ninja

>Zodiac/Buccaneer, Wildling/Monk, Prince/Hoplite

>Prince doesn't have enough points in Hoplite skills to actually tank

>Wildling only uses bind animals, so no tanking from her either

>Wildling summons conflict with Arbalist's clones

>Frontline arbalist keeps getting killed

>Items provide more reliable healing than my Wildling

>The only example of good synergy was having my Zodiac use Dark Ether. Might as well have just used a Ninja/Zodiac, since her damage was absolute shit anyways.

Are you sure you're not just skipping sidequests? The exp gain is paced out pretty well if you're exploring the floors to the full extent.

>>14197373

>EO

>grind

Literally git gud faggot.

Remember to buy Kingmaker when it comes out to support games like this you spergtists

>>14231812

oops i meant Underworld Ascendant. buy Kingmaker too for CRPGs

What defines a dungeon crawler?

Are there any games where you literally crawl through a literal dungeon?

>>14232042

Is dungeon vore a thing?

>>14232059

Le google meme xD

>>14232321

that is not a loli

>>14232321

didnt he do the art for that capture two people and make them your slaves VN?

>>14232437

They're each of the towns and their respective yggdrasils. You've got Etria just sort of sitting next to it, Lagaard build around it, and Armoroad on the coast with the tree further inland.

>>14232475

Yeah, it took me a while too see them at first too. The first one looks kind of like a meteor or something which threw me off.

>>14197400

source?

>>14191795

>How does the grid-based movement system work real time?

Legend of Grimrock is not a good example. It is a huge step back in gameplay. Typically, in first person dungeon crawlers, the player's movement should not be restricted. Your character should move as fast as you can press the inputs. The idea is that you can go beyond your own character's limits by using muscle memory. Monsters are made overpowered, because the player has the advantage of mobility and strategy.

>>14232678

>It is a huge step back in gameplay.

I agree.

>Your character should move as fast as you can press the inputs.

You can't do that in grimrock because of how slow spells travel. You would likely get hit with your own spells if you went forward.

>>14232725

>You can't do that in grimrock because of how slow spells travel. You would likely get hit with your own spells if you went forward.

That's fine. A player should be punished for running into their own spells. Also, traveling faster than a spell might make for some interesting shortcuts. Speedruns should be similar to the video.

>>14191970

It actually was turn based at one point.

>>14190316

Personally, I'd love a Monster Hunter-themed dungeon crawler in the spirit of Etrian where each weapon type is a different class

>>14232449

Isn't Etria's Yggdrasil supposed to be underground in stratum 5?

>>14209184

Fuck yeah M&M:6-8

Found out I had a copy of Star Crawlers, aside from the interesting abilities and scifi setting it's not that great, well polished but not great

>traps are easy to spot(trip lasers, glowing floor pressure plates)

>side missions all blend since it's generated rather than hand crafted

>enemies are never a threat, combat is fairly boring

>can't have more than one of the same type of class in your party comp

>>14197058

What happened to this franchise?

>>14253659

>can't have more than one of the same type of class in your party comp

That's horse shit. Why would you do that?

>>14267977

Because each character has its own dialogue lines inside a "dungeon" (you crawl around mines, offices, laboratories and the same ship), so the party members can have a conversation about nothing that really matters except the ocasional memespouting.

I fucking swear i really really REALLY wanted to like that game, i have the required masochism to love dungeon crawling, also space, and this mix caught my attention. But everything past level 25 becomes a bullet sponge that makes combat boring as hell (and you will fight a lot), memelands tier RNG drop, downright useless skill trees, retarded shield mechanic (Also the "tank" mechanic fails hard since there´s no way to sustain damage), lack of a "Field Medic" class to make medikits usefull ince medikits are the best way to recover health in a mission but those are freacking expensive and the cheapest only recover 20% of your health, strange enemy balance because the small critters are more dangerous than the bosses, and a few more complaints.

However the ost it´s freaking good, also you can import custom portraits (But again, this only works for silent characters for the inmersion factor, and they won´t stop talking so whatever floats your boat), the hacker character it´s the best designed in terms of gameplay (It has three usefull skill trees, but you will be using "Optimization" almost alway since Ex Machina will save you a lot) and despite enemies being 2D sprites those are well crafted.

You can pirate it if you want to try it, but make yourself a favor and KILL THE TALKING DOG!! it don´t stop talking about philosophy since that is what clever people do always, right? Nietzsche references amirite? That part was cringeworthy.

>>14268931

This really sums it up

It's a game you want to like, but the issues just override it. back to MM or Wizardry

Anyone beaten around with the Elimage games? worth looking into?

>>14197526

>tfw Dragon's Dogma (BBI) is one of the few games that actually felt like dungeon crawling to me

Even though it's an action RPG, Dragon's Dogma's Bitterblack Isle Dungeon is one of the best dungeons I've been through in a game. Sure, it has a few kinks, like some copypasted areas, but damn does traversing the dungeon feel good. You start off on a rocky coast and enter this dungeon with big stone halls, you find a big rotunda, there's branching paths, sheer cliffs and ravines to an abyss, aqueducts, underground towers, the shit just keeps going. You get lower and lower, there are catacombs, and giant spires with brutal cyclops chained within, more flooded caves, an underground coliseum, and to top it all off there's a lost underground city. It's really fucking good. The enemy variety is spaced out pretty well too; so you always run into bigger and badder things as you go down. Dragon's Dogma just does a really good job at letting the player feel what going down to the depths of some mad dungeon/labyrinth feels like.

I wish I could say the same for a lot of other actual dungeon crawlers, but they just don't give me the same feeling. With those games it's all party building and worrying about hitpoints and mana, and while stratigizing is nice and fun it just doesn't compare to a giant cyclops smackdown deep bellow the surface of the earth in a forgotten prison. At best I can say that traditional dungeon crawlers tickle my autism when I clear all the floors of a dungeon or 100% the map, but I just find the environments lacking and the dungeoneering overshadowed by the constant rpg stratagizing.

Diablo 1 is pretty much a perfect dungeon crawler. Such a simple yet brilliant game, just go down the dungeon until you reach hell. It's not even that long or hard so you don't even need to "get into it" like with those old isometric RPGs. Even an ADD kid with zero attention span can enjoy it. Seriously if there's still someone who hasn't played that game just give it a go. I played it like in 2012 or something so I'm no nostalgia fag either.

>>14279214

Nox>Diablo 1

>>14279073

If only the game had more content like that…

>>14279966

>Grinding is also a huge part of the Game

the good kind or bad kind?

>>14281533

There's no such thing as good grinding.