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>>14163686

>but if you enjoy DF or rimworld you'll probably enjoy it

Which is it? Because DF and Rimworld are polar opposites. I have yet to meet anyone who likes both; they always either hate them both, or love one and hate the either. I'm on the DF side and can't stand Rimworld.

>>14163718

>and hate the either.

the other*

I was totally on board with the concept and scope until I saw this in the sidebar.

https://voyagergames.com/distributing-a-desktop-java-application/

It’s twenty fucking eighteen. This shit is written in Java? Java died over a decade ago. There’s no way in hell it will run at a usable speed. Optimization as a concept doesn’t exist in that language.

>>14163718

I play Rimworld because DF’s creator is apparently too autistic to make a game designed for computers built since 1983. I would play DF otherwise and still really want to.

>>14163726

>too autistic to make a game designed for computers built since 1983.

What does this even mean? I've tried playing Rimworld numerous times but every time I do, I keep thinking "Wow, that was a stupid design decision. This game would be exponentially better if they made this small change." until I realize I can just go play DF and have all of those changes.

>>14163733

>what does this even mean

What can you do in every piece of software written since then that you can’t do in DF.

>>14163733

It's probably the same faggot that cries about no mouse support every DF thread.

>>14163780

I don't know, enlighten me.

>>14163793

Oh, I haven't really been in those threads in a while. Has no one told him that DF has had mouse support for a very long time? Or does he just purposefully ignore that information?

>>14163791

because its simulating a lot of things at once

>>14163718

its a lot more like DF than rimworld

>>14163791

>if it doesn't look AAA then it can't possibly be resource intensive

Are you retarded? Graphics processing isn't the only resource intensive thing that can be in a game. It just happens to be the only impactful thing in most games because most games are very simple. If you have a shitload of game logic to process, then it is very understandable for it to be resource intensive. Other examples would be DF, SS13 (which actually is optimized HORRIBLY, but even ignoring that it would be pretty resource intensive), and Factorio. They all have a huge amount of shit going on while not being graphically intensive.

Not that I know how much this game has going on since I've never played it. I just hate it when people equate graphics to being the only thing that can utilize a lot of computing power.

>>14163810

Might try it then. I hope eye and hair color are actually inherited instead of being random so I can selectively breed my colony.

>>14163819

they are inherited, along with other factors like their stamina, strength, and longevity. so yes you can create an aryan super race. there are four factions and three of them have nuclear families (except for the space-commies), and the parents will also teach their children skills they know. make sure to check the game guide on the site, it goes into all of this in detail.

right now im going to start on a new colony because I didn't realize that making walls and floors were a lot cheaper than I thought, so I took way too long setting up a proper housing situation and all my food kept getting eaten by animals.

>>14163780

Stop playing coy and just say it you cockhungry homo.

>>14163824

the difference between DF and rimworld is at the utmost core of their respective design philosophies

while DF through cause and effect produces organic results to everything that happens, rimworld is quite literally artifical difficulty: the game

whats organic in DF is instead replaced with RNG that is INVERSELY related to your success, if you play like shit the game goes easy on you, if you play well the game throws unavoidable bullshit at you until you reach a stable mediocrity, and if you go randy it just replaces adaptive bullshit RNG through just straight bullshit RNG

lolplague is all you need to know about rimworld RNG

>>14163944

What a load of bullshit.

DF throws invasions at you once your fort has reached a certain pop cap and amount of riches, exactly like Rimworld does, balancing the time and strenght of raids based on adquired wealth and number of colonists.

In fact, there may be less RNG in Rimworld considering it takes all those factors into account and raids might even lower in strength while DF is just ramping up all the time.

>if you play like shit the game goes easy on you, if you play well the game throws unavoidable bullshit at you until you reach a stable mediocrity

You mean if you scumsave or if your base is such a fortress that you don't suffer any damage from the last raids so the game sends something bigger at you.

It's the game trying to create a chalenge that your colony can handle with some difficulty so it's not some baby tier "here's a single dood armed with a club against your power-armor minigun-wielding machines of death" and it's "artificial difficulty" indeed in the sense that the game custom-tailors the difficulty to how well you play on the fly. It's actually pretty fucking amazing.

>lolplague is all you need to know about rimworld RNG

Sounds a lot like you know next to nothing about it, probably gave up on your second or third colony.

The game has popcaps per difficulty level and story teller and it only throws shit at you like that if you go over said cap which is about 14 people actually. Plus, it's something you can easily mod with a XML file and there are already mods for that if you're that lazy or you can just play Randy where the hardcap is set at 50, giving you bonus to adquire people all the way to 12 even.

>>14165296

>The game has popcaps per difficulty level

>said cap which is about 14 people

This is why I hate Rimworld. The game is designed around playing with an abusrdly low amount of colonists, forcing you to use people in multiple jobs. It just ends up making the game extremely slow and tedious. There's a lot of just sitting there and waiting for jobs to complete because you don't really have the manpower to just throw bodies at it until the problem goes away.

>>14163799

>>14163882

Stop being clinically retarded and think for five seconds.

>>14163806

>totally has mouse support

>ignore that even the official site lists a handful of mouse commands, none of which mean the game is controlled by it

Mhmm, we sure believe you. There’s no actual mouse support.

>>14165515

Rimworld’s colony limit is absurdly low because the game runs like utter shit if you have more than that (or if you just want to play for a few years, since longer play time = slower game, always) because the devs are incompetent.

>>14163686

>Degenerate Status: False

I vaguely remember that a dev asked for advice and/or shilled his game prototype here some months ago. Any connection?

>>14165515

That's 2 dumb complaints in the same post.

Compared to DF, you don't really have a crap ton of different jobs and tasks to complete. There's no "cheese-making" or "treshing". Crafting alone is used for several stuff for instance.

If you're having trouble having enough people, you're just bad at assigning tasks. You can have everything done with just 5 colonists, 10 and you're looking at double the force for every task and some decent specialization, 15 and you get to have people taking breaks every now and then too.

Besides, like I said, you can edit a single XML file and not only say your hardcap is 500 colonists, but if you change the softcaps as well to 100 colonists, you get a ton of events and easier recruitment until you hit said cap.

>>14163733

>I've tried playing Rimworld numerous times but every time I do, I keep thinking "Wow, that was a stupid design decision. This game would be exponentially better if they made this small change."

Funny, because I think that every time I tried playing DF and had to go through three esoteric keyboard commands to maybe, possibly make a dwarf do something I want him to do.

I bet you're a "purist" who plays with the Matrix-glyph original graphics, and shuns Dwarf Therapist because you like taking twenty minutes navigating ten nested menus to assign a dwarf to brew more fucking plumphelmet wine.

I love DF but even I think it would be better with true mouse support.

>>14165604

You are autistic and should be ignored, according to Real Dwarf Fortress Players.™

>>14165592

>possibly make a dwarf do something I want him to do

Oh right, that reminds me. Any complaint about not having enough people to complete a specific job are ironic ^ 2 when comparing DF to Rimworld.

In DF, you're either praying that an order is chosen next by someone that doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep or throw a tantrum or you're going out of your way to disable every single job out of someone to make sure he can only do what you asked and then you have to reset it's job allocations.

Meanwhile in Rimworld, you can just Force the little shits to finish making that chair so they don't complain about lacking one when they eat.

>>14165526

>ignore that even the official site states that there is mouse support

What the fuck are you going on about? Also, are you going to say what DF is missing, or were you actually referring to mouse support, which the game has?

>>14165566

The problem is that it makes the game feel small as fuck, though. That's what I'm talking about when I say it's slow. The game progresses so fucking slowly that you can't make any cool grand constructions. Even a fucking farming field that seems moderate in size turns out to take a colonist more than a year to plant even half of.

>>14165592

>I'm too stupid for DF

Why didn't you just say so?

>>14165614

>it has what it openly admits it doesn’t have

Okay, shill. Whatever you say.

>>14165617

>you can click your mouse and have things happen as a result

>therefore there is no mouse support

>>14165619

I mean, I really want Rimworld to be(come) good. That’s why I still love the idea of DF; I wanted RW to be DF designed for machines built since 1983. It just isn’t, and now won’t ever be since they just took it from alpha to “beta” and said they’re not adding any more big features.

>>14165626

>you can do something you can’t do

>definitely trust me instead of the official wiki and game’s website

Reported. Does that level of trolling even work wherever you’re from? Go back there.

>>14165614

>The problem is that it makes the game feel small as fuck, though. That's what I'm talking about when I say it's slow.

The point of the game is to take it slow. It's more focused on the raids and interpersonal stories than in megalythic constructions, you're playing it wrong.

This is why both games have a place in the market, because they are fundamentally 2 different experiences.

And IMO, DF gets stale and slow much faster as well past the initial 7 dwarves. Once you're at 20 or so, it takes ages for anything to get done or anything interesting to happen with a lot of downtime in the meantime where nothing very interesting happens unless you like reading logs.

>Even a fucking farming field that seems moderate in size turns out to take a colonist more than a year to plant even half of.

Stop exagerating, you're just discrediting yourself. A decent 9*9 field can feed your initial 3 colonists for several months and it can be sow in a single day.

I usually make fields that are 15*15 for 9 plots in total and by the 3rd day, everything is already ready unless. And it only takes that long because my Growers are also my Cooks so they have something to do while plants are growing.

>congratulations on invalidating any point you were trying to make

You did not post any rebutal whatsoever, nothing has been invalidated so far.

>I was talking about literally everything else BUT invasions

So nothing. Or migrants that Rimworld also has. Or caravans that Rimworld also has. Or nobles that Rimworld doesn't have.

>after playing it since 0.6

>pushing rank and veterany while anonymous

If you actually had a point to make, you'd have written by now but since you actually wrote nothing concrete in that post, you're talking out of your ass.

>>14165678

>You can't really just change something that major when the entirety of the rest of the game is built around a tiny population.

Something something, needing an octa core to go past 100 dwarves or something.

Come on, you want to argue performance between Rimworld and Dwarven Fortress? That's like arguing which of two turds smells the worst, but at least RW tries to keep shit in control, DF just doesn't give a fuck if your CPU burns down.

>>14165692

>It's more focused on the raids and interpersonal stories than in megalythic constructions, you're playing it wrong.

Then it's fucking gay and boring.

>DF gets stale and slow much faster as well past the initial 7 dwarves. Once you're at 20 or so, it takes ages for anything to get done

What are you talking about? It's slow as fuck at the beginning and gets exponentially faster once you get your first migration wave.

>Stop exagerating

I'm not.

>A decent 9*9 field can feed your initial 3 colonists for several months

And this is exactly my point.

>9x9

>decent size

This is a game for ants. Everything in it feels small as fuck.

The rest of your post is responding to someone else.

>>14165705

>Something something, needing an octa core to go past 100 dwarves or something.

My i5 handles 200-300 dwarves pretty well. Besides, i wasn't talking about performance. Where did you get the idea I was talking about performance? The entire game's design and balance is based around having like 10 people; having 500 would break that pretty hard.

>>14165705

Lack of mouse support in DF (no one is falling for it, you fucking troll) is bad enough, but neither DF nor RW have multicore support, last I checked. I mean for fuck’s sake, how is that not fucking STANDARD these days? Clock speeds aren’t going to increase, ever, until we switch to exotic transistor materials. And there’s no incentive to do that because Intel and AMD aren’t competing and there aren’t any other companies. Fucking end of Moore’s law bullshit.

>>14165726

>having 500 would break that pretty hard

Provided your computer could even fucking run it. Rimworld lags for me with over 25 people, or if you have two bases at once (no matter the population). And adding more base animals does basically the same thing as people (a little less due to not having to model social interaction or all but two needs).

>>14165730

DFs performance is not tied to clockspeed tho, its tied to toadys ass backwards arcane way of coding, its mainly tied to RAM latency and cache size. Basically if you somehow managed to obtain a CPU with 2gigs of cache, which is still a good decade away at least, then you would be bottlenecked by clockspeed. Faster CPUs can run DF better because they have bigger and faster cache.

>>14165762

think of DF being x-com and rimworld being NUcom, theyre polar opposites in that way

Wait a fucking minute.

>Kelgonian society is… …uniform. With no nuclear families…

But

>Kelgonians, on the other hand, have the highest [genetic] homogeneity.

The fucking christ is this shit. I'm going to have to mod the game before I even play it.

>>14166270

Oh fuck, no.

>Kelgonians… …have the highest homogeneity.

And

>Culture: Kelgonian

>absolute egalitarianism

Has the developer ever met another human being?

>>14166275

He met your mother :^)

Sorry, I had to.

>>14163686

Seems to be really decent and in-depth DF clone by judging tutorial to see how it works and is done, probably for those who like autism simulators. But holy shit the game lags even while paused, feels like I crashed the game even when its just unresponsive for a moment.

>>14166288

That's Java for you.

Did anyone here actually came into the thread wanting to talk about the game and not DF/Rimworld?

>>14166314

>game created to be a mix of DF and RW

>expects no one to compare it to DF and RW

>>14166319

But no one is, they are all comparing DF and Rimworld together without even talking about the game.

>>14163780

>What can you do in every piece of software written since then that you can’t do in DF.

You can't accurately render physics, biology, and some basic chemistry in every single patch of grass, body part, and water at Dwarf Fortress scale with anything more then ASCII - 16-bit tier graphics being rendered unless you have a very, very beefy machine. Even if your PC can run Crysis on max settings the very nature of how DF simulates things in the background makes it impossible for even a machine like that, if you don't like ASCII graphics you can always replace it with a tile set.

>>14166385

OP made the mistake of saying both DF and Rimworld players would enjoy it.

>>14165780

That's not polar opposition though

>>14165296

>In fact, there may be less RNG in Rimworld

Are we both talking about the game that takes the level scaling concept from Oblivion and tries to apply it to every single mechanic in the game here?

>>14165526

Wait, you seriously meant mouse support? Most software written since 1983 doesn't support using a mouse. CLI, server software and OS internals make up the majority of software written since 1983.

>>14163686

>performance can be shit, even with a good processor & lots of ram

Well then I'll just stay on dorf fort.

>>14166082

if you look on the forums there is kinda linux support. ill try to find the post

>>14167927

as far as performance, I noticed that in the settings if you set the memory at 16 gb it doesn't seem to recognize it (I have 32), so I set it at 8 and its running more smoothly now. not great but its better.

>>14166403

its a colony simulator like DF but also set in space like rimworld. i didn't think people would be this autistic about it

>>14163780

>lol grafix are bad = game is old

You are supremely retarded, a computer from the 80's couldn't even muster the memory required to generate the world in DF, and that's assuming you'd have a magical storage device that could then store all that data which also didn't exist. DF has primitive graphics but the game is very CPU intensive.

>>14165614

Even if that were true, at least I'm not too stupid for Rimworld, like you are.

>>14163780

are you so retarded you can't use your keyboard?