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>>14096478

I don't really have the patience to fiddle with a server, I just like to explore strange worlds and mess around with interesting mods in singleplayer mostly. I have no idea how the mods I use or Squaresville C would work out online. Squaresvilles C is a lot faster than using lua mods for mapgen, so it might be a decent thing to run on a server, although I don't know how stable 0.5's online stuff is. I think you'd need an 0.5 client to even join it since the devs are apparently making breaking changes for 0.5 concerning online stuff. Squaresville C could use a farming mod/additional flora too.

The Squaresville C dev made a 100% lua version of the fork, which is inherently slower. It apparently does not work on Windows according to that guy in the thread: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18898

>>14098798

>how does it differ from minecraft

The world limits are different, there is more vertical room in Minetest, but less horizontal space. Basically the world is a giant cube. This gives ample room for caves, and for modders to do stuff with the empty space. There are some experimental floatlands in the v7 map generator that are subject to change, which you can enable with a flag called mgv7_spflags=floatlands. See: https://wiki.minetest.net/World_boundaries

The rest of the differences are:

>Cubic chunks instead of Minecraft's slate-ish chunks.

>Lua modding API

>Written in C++ (minetest_game subgame is written in Lua, technically its a collection of mods that you don't have to use, but mods tend to use some of its mods as dependencies) instead of Java, compared to the original Minecraft.

>Big caves

>Multiple default C++ map generators to choose from

>No central account system

>Sneak ladders/sneak jumping (need to enable it with a mod in more recent versions, the re-implementation of it as a feature is still a work in progress)

>Open source

Theres probably other differences, but I haven't played much of Minecraft's more recent versions.

>>14098807

>has a quarter of the content and a thousandth of the mods

Minetest has only had a Lua modding API since version 0.4 and it has a much smaller community. Its not really surprising that it has less mods. The default subgame is not meant to have a large amount of content, its more like a bunch of basic stuff that tends to be used.

>>14099242

>You can't see far enough for a building game to take advantage of making fuckhuge structures.

Get close enough to generate the chunks, press R (sets the view distance to unlimited) or hold + for a while to increase the view distance. The reason why you usually wouldn't want to turn view distance on that high all the time is because the framerate will obviously drop quite a bit. The practical view distance limit is where the chunks start to unload. You can also turn off the ingame fog if you want by pressing F3.

> Nobody is in any hurry to create some kind of huge adventure-cave using that vertical distance.

I'm pretty sure the default caves can get bigger than anything in Minecraft, and cave mods already generate caves larger than the default Minetest caves. Plus, it makes room for layers: Underworlds, Geomoria (only provides one layer), Geominer, and dfcaverns are examples of mods that provide underground layers.

>>14107822

Welp, at the very least, you can load every chunk by going near it or by running some sort of script, then enable full view range, letting you see such a tower.

>>14105021

It already exists to some degree in a mod called Erosion, but it gave me an out of memory error eventually. It tries to simulate erosion in addition to turning some things into slopes via moreblocks. The small caves with slopes can get kind of cramped. You can find it here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15806

There are other sloped terrain mods too, here are some that I found:

Natural Slopes: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18140

Dwarf Fortress like ramps: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11982

Australopithecus (subgame by same guy who did the ramps, has slopes in it): https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12889

>>14107822

>So your view distance is effectively capped by chunk loading distance. This is literally the same as Minecraft.

There are settings that can change how mapblocks are loaded. For example, client_mapblock_limit is the maximum number of mapblocks that the client keeps in memory. You can set it to something higher, or set it to -1 for an unlimited amount, but you obviously don't have unlimited memory on your computer. There is also client_unload_unused_data_timeout, which is the amount of time it waits to remove unused map data from memory. See example config file: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example

>You can build a 5-mile-tall skyscraper, but never be able to see the whole thing at once, so what's the point?

5 miles in Minetest would be 8047 blocks high since each block (node) is 1 meter tall. I kind of doubt most people would build that, but they could if they wanted to.

Anyway, if you have the physical memory for seeing a 8047 node high building, you can take a gander at it, from what I can tell.

Theres a lot more to do with that empty space than build a really tall building anyway. You can make a mod to generate stuff in the sky, or hide a base up there. Its the de facto place to put "realms" right now as well, since Minetest doesn't have real realms yet.

> Making them ten times bigger but similar in shape only matters if you've got a major hard-on for being totally fucking lost.

The larger caves look sort of like spheroids slapped together, not really maze-like. There are windy smaller caves that are like passageways, which can connect to bigger caves, dungeons, the surface, modded in stuff, etc. You could use the minimap and debug info or one of those compass mods if you tend to get lost.

>Either that, or making giant underground passages and rooms and things. Which, again, is useless because of the view/loading distance being capped at such a small amount.

You can have bigger caves/dungeons/whatever than in Minecraft. Depending on whichever version of Minecraft you have a fetish for, the height limit is either 128 or 256. You can make caves bigger than those values in Minetest via modding, there can be many of those caves. Infact, I was able to find a default cave network using the v7 map generator that is at least 263 nodes high. The last image is a not very useful screenshot of it from afar when noclipping, was just using the base subgame in 0.4.16.

>>14111329

>Last time I tried it, it didn't run as well as it could, despite being made with trusty C++

The mods are written in Lua, minetest_game in your games folder is a bunch of Lua code. If you have LuaJIT on your system, it will run Lua mods faster, but then theres the inherent memory limit of LuaJIT to deal with. Mainly they need to improve the engine's performance from what I understand.

>not awful javascript

Java, not Javascript. They're two different languages.

> when I tried to promising looking modpacks it felt like they were missing some content including interface features even though they seemed to have it when I inspected the folders. What did I do wrong?!!

Which modpacks were they?

> When I first heard of and tried Minetest I developed a concept for a game/mod, quite divergent from regular Minecraft imitations, but that would have required some massive worldgen changes

You may want to take a look at what is being added/changed in the dev versions, for example they have added a new C++ map generator called Carpathian that focuses on more realistic map generation, mainly plains, hills, terraces, and ridged mountains.

>>14098798

>what are the min. sys requirements

If I remember correctly there is still an OpenGL 1 renderer and a software rendering mode, so it should be able to run (although not necessarily well) on older hardware. Basically you'll need LuaJIT or a Lua version that is at least at the same version LuaJIT is at on your system, and a Minetest binary if available for your system or the required libraries/compiler/etc needed to build Minetest. However, in the latest version they are switching to C++11, so support for some older systems is disappearing (officially). Technically it could still compile and work if you have the required software, Windows XP for example is not supported (in the dev versions), but still works.

Download page has some basic information about supported OSes, obviously: https://www.minetest.net/downloads/

>>14110029

>When do we get a decent gun mod so we can build the zone and have a blocky poor man's multiplayer stalker?

This flintlock pistol one is decent, hurts the mobs from nmobs at least, no idea if it hurts players: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16487

Theres the shooter mod, which requires a lot of fiddling to make it work with mobs: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7846 It could use a lot of work, not really my favorite. Not guns, but elixirs includes throwable bombs and molotov cocktails.

Alive AI adds a bunch of overpowered enemies, some of which use guns, although it can be unstable sometimes.

Technic obviously adds uranium (which is radioactive and can hurt you) to the worldgen and you can build nuclear reactors, so theres that.

Theres a useful utility called MinetestMapper that can generate a 2D overview image of Minetest worlds, it can be configured quite a bit: https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper

It has a GUI version as well called MinetestMapperGUI: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12139

NodeBoxEditor is another useful utility for making nodeboxes, especially useful for making new mobs for nmobs: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2840

>>14110516

>Didn't this author also mentioned that for each different sloped blocks type you will get these instead of regular cubes?

I don't think that would be very hard to fix, looks like the modder went out of his way to make it give you full nodes instead of the slope itself.

>>14110409

>unironically playing Minetest instead of Openspades

They're pretty different games, and last I heard they still didn't have an open source implementation of the server software.

So what's a good server to play in? Someone set up a server

>>14128980

>Can it replicate how Minecraft was before infinite worlds? A finite cube of world with highly variable generation parameters would be pretty great.

Squaresville C is a fork that just comes with an additional C++ mapgenerator, whatever changes to the engine that were needed to make it work, and the lua helper mod for the squaresville mapgenerator that comes with some settings you can configure as far as I know. Its not intended to replicate Minecraft's terrain before infinite worlds, but this doesn't stop anyone from attempting to do so with Minetest itself.

You can alter mapgen parameters of the C++ map generators in Minetest, to do so, Settings > Advanced Settings > Server/Singleplayer > Mapgen or just edit minetest.conf. You can also make a lua mod that autoselects the singlenode map generator and generates everything from scratch. The flat mapgenerator obviously already generates flat worlds, and has flags to turn lakes and hills on and off. v5 has a tendency to create chunky/blobby floats already and could probably be coaxed to generate more of it.

Minetest had an old map generator in 0.4.9 called Indev that had floating islands at Y=500, some very big "caves" as well as v6 type caves, and extreme terrain near the world boundaries, pics related. See: https://wiki.minetest.net/Map_Generator_Evolution#indev

Generated stuff and such. Valleys is looking like v7 here.

Do trees fall apart if you cut the base block of wood? That feature should be default

>>14128677

Remember this fag?

>>14180706

>that solid minute of just navigating in and out of the same folder