/v/ - Video Games

shut the fuck up

>clickbait title

you slimy fucking bastard

Also Falcom JRPGs are good so you're wrong about that as well

Bravely Default was solid as well.

>>14094143

Bravely Default was fucked just because of the goddamn time loop bullshit that makes you play through the same part of the game, killing the same bosses five times in a fucking row.

>>14094130

Vesperia wasn't even that good. You're letting nostalgia cloud your judgement.

>>14094148

>Ys

>JRPG

you haven't played any Falcom games I see

>>14094161

There are better dating sims than Persona to play, my dude.

>>14094161

>>14094163

>>14094168

>cucksona player

>mentions the newest persona instead of an uncucked persona game like 1 or 2 at the very least

casual

Undertale was fine?

xenoblade2

>>14094130

>celebrating my subjective opinion as fact

Nice

Proper JRPGs have been dead since the end of the 90s/early 00s. The PS2 generation and beyond is when the entire genre became action-RPG cancer for casuals and normalfags.

>>14094130

>tales game

>good

are you going to proclaim that you're from the gay community as well?

>>14094189

>cucksona players do nothing but shitpost

wew

>>14094192

>comfiness is a meme

>in a JRPG thread

goddamn you're just as bad

>>14094216

>OP made this shit thread to shitpost at people who rightfully shitposted at him

Really makes ya think

>>14094218

>being this butthurt

Its okay to admit to being a casual on /v/, I'm sure there's some faggots who won't have disdain for you here

>>14094231

>we

WEW

You don't belong here fag

>>14094231

>we

>goon

nice buzzword

>>14094241

keep shitposting casual, maybe this will help you feel about your lack of accomplishments and make up for your inability to read IDs

>>14094247

>Oh no, people are shitposting in my shit, low-effort clickbait bait thread?!

wew

>>14094217

WRPGs aren't what one would call "good" though.

>>14094257

>ignores all the (1) shitposts

nah fag, nobody respects your shit thread

>>14094217

>all wrpgs nowadays either have a tranny or a nigger

let it go. it's no use parading a corpse now.

>>14094260

>I want to feel good about my casual game, don't insult me!

lel fag

Reminder you will never complete a real game

>>14094130

Vesperia was probably the last game I truly enjoyed playing before I started gaming as a distraction from my life.

I played that game for ~90 hours and damn near 100%'d it. Thanks for reminding me, anon.

>>14094161

Nu-Persona blows dogs for quarters.

GayRPGs

>>14094130

>action-oriented combat system

aka shit

>>14094468

I just love how he straight up murdered that rich cunt and told NOBODY.

>>14094486

Or watches as a man drowns in quick sand, with the rope right next to him that he could have saved him with. Looked at it once and then did nothing and admitted it to no one.

>>14094490

>what was wrong with Berseria?

shit story, shit characters, shit combat, and shitty difficulties that are all piss easy until the super ultra nightmare difficulty that functionally prevents you from playing as anyone other than Velvet.

>>14094216

>accused others of being the problem

>makes zero effort shitpost >>14094523

when asked to expand on vague opinions

You are the problem.

Shame about the choice of platform though. Why does Bamdai hate Nintendo?

>>14094130

>Was Tales of Vesperia the last GOOD JRPG?

No.

>>14094468

Yuri wasn't the hero that world needed, he was the one it deserved.

>>14094198

>Promoting cucked games

you will NEVER EVER learn moonrunes anon.

>Tales of

These games always look like the absolute height of genericism in JRPG's to me. An overabundance of the 'JRPG fantasy suit' too. If somebody in a medieval fantasy world is wearing a shirt and tie, I stop playing.

>>14094944

That's because they are, Vesperia was actually fun though

>>14094944

> If somebody in a medieval fantasy world is wearing a shirt and tie, I stop playing.

why do you hate fun, anon?

Nah, Xenoblade Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, I'd also add Persona 5 even though real-world settings aren't really that interesting to me. I'd be tempted to add FF15, even if it was incomplete, it sets a good direction for the franchise to go in in future, where hopefully they don't have to deal with stitching two very different games together.

Tales of Vesperia was fantastic, and criminally underappreciated though. Best Tales game by a mile.

Does Etrian Odyssey V count?

I'm going to have to say that Xenoblade Chronicles was really well made.

On that note I feel a different way. Western RPG's used to shit on any rpg in the East. Bigger depth. Far more interesting gameplay. Better lore. Better visuals. Anything after 2004-5 though.. I'd say jrpg's have only gotten better in the past 15 years. Final Fantasy 1-7 plays like shit.

I like how Gooks craft worlds and make music but I want my good Western rpg's back. Fuck all the current years.

>>14094982

Believable fantasy is maintained by consistency in design. Modern day clothing has no business being portrayed in a world incapable of producing it. Main characters following modern fashion trends have no business moving around a world of string belted, sack wearing peasants unless it's a time travel plot.

>>14095728

Is the 100% translation out or are they still working on it?

>>14094476

this one plays more like an mmo than a jrpg. its pretty bad.

>>14094130

>Tales of

This franchise peaked with Star Ocean 2

>>14094130

>Was Tales of Vesperia the last GOOD JRPG?

it was a shitty gook rpg though? just look at those horrible deformed muppet character "designs".

>>14095078

I agree with this. I also like additional thematic consistency - clashes of fantasy and sci-fi should be justified and well-established either as a critical plot component or at least built up significantly in setting and lore.

Star Ocean 2, for example, smashes Fantasy and Sci-Fi together, because the plot is basically about a Star Trek away mission to an undeveloped planet that goes wrong. That shit's cool.

Tales of Graces f, on the other hand, is about a fantasy world where all kinds of anachronistic bullshit happens, and then you go to fucking Mars for a little bit because why not, and then there's some planet or something that's all industrial-revolution-era looking and whatnot. It was a mess of ideas that were never fully fleshed out. In fact, JRPG plots and settings tend to be so "throw everything in there and don't bother to justify it because why the fuck not" that I'm not even sure if I actually just described Tales of Graces f or mashed two Tales games into one there. They all just blur together into a single Tales of Mud because they're just so low effort.

I think the problem is that most nip devhouses don't bother with proper world-building. You can have whatever the fuck setting you want in an RPG and it can work - you just need to build it up and make it internally consistent such that it feels believable. The typical JRPG that has a setting as believable as a hastily performed high-school play.

>>14095868

Tales games all have ton of worldbuilding.

The real problem is that they essentially build the same world everytime and use the same story everytime.

When all your games' worlds include a "There's actually an advanced civilization in another world/on another planet", it doesn't matter if you build it up well, it feels sameish

>>14095981

>every RPG made in japan counts as a jrpg

What's next? Fucking Zelda counts as a JRPG?

Your criteria is shit

>>14095868

As >>14095928 put it, Graces isn't held by its story, but its combat instead.

If you wanna talk worldbuilding though, Abyss wasn't bad in that regard - Many things were explained as having something to do with fonons and shit (e.g. why your big range magic only hurts enemies and not allies is also why Jade can't just use said magic during the assault at Sheridan where there is a lot of civvies: Casters have the 'frequency' of their allies marked so their magic just cancels out with them - but unmarked civvies would be risky since they'd get hurt).

Abyss went very heavy on the LOL FONONS thing for many elements which was an interesting way to justify common RPG tropes such as the maximum 4 player party (can't keep track of too many frequencies to 'isolate' during battle so gotta keep the number low to prevent accidents).

Graces on the other hand was pretty boring in the story and world building, but at least it had some good Pascal/Malik skits.

>>14096029

>Japansese rpg

>Not a jrpg

You're missing the entire point even though its right in your face.

And yeah, Zelda technically does count as a jrpg.

>>14096029

>>14096067

Zelda is action adventure you fucking retards

>>14096086

>prove me wrong when I use semantics faggot

Nah, I'll let you wallow in delusion while people who aren't retarded discuss actual JRPGs

>>14095801

>I'll just mindless parrot shit I've heard on the internet

>>14096086

>genre doesnt matter

>rpg

>genre

>doesn't matter

Action games are not RPGs you fucking moron.

should I buy this or Xillia 2? Looked like the combos could get pretty nuts in X2.

>>14095981

>Its still a JRPG dipshit. And personally with the amount of content and ambitious ideas in there that you wont see in any other game I think its pretty good.

sure it's still a jrpg, but it's a bad one

>it did a lot of shit poorly, this means its good

remember when ff7 let you freely enter and exit vehicles on the world map? I'm so glad xenoblade chronicles x is taking credit for this 20 years later.

>>14096124

>defending hotbar combat

>>14096189

It's a visual menu combat almost identical to that of FF7, just with icons instead of text.

Fuck off.

>>14095928

>>14096035

I hear what you're saying about the combat, and it was fun, but the worldbuilding and storytelling was so weak that the combat felt as though it was in the service of nothing.

Star Ocean 2 on the other hand, which has an essentially identical combat system, also has an extremely rich world and story for the characters to emerge from, and so the combat feels like it means something while at the same time being mechanically fun.

SO2 really does feel like you're playing a high quality anime, with all of the camp/craft skills tying into character development, and all of the different party configurations and branching story paths with so much unique dialogue based on what you do with whom and when. It's a god damn masterpiece, and I just hope that every Tales fan has at least done two playthroughs of SO2, just so they can see what Tales games could be.

I don't know what the relationship between Star Ocean and Tales franchises are. I don't know which came first, or if one is a spinoff of the other, or if they're the same franchise with a false branch appearing out of some localization decision. All I know is that they are presented the same, and their key gameplay mechanics are the same, but Star Ocean is to Tales as Nethack is to Dungeons of Dredmor.

I want to know where Trails in the Skies rank in the grand scheme of JRPGs in general. I liked the story but not so much the gameplay and I wonder if every JRPG is pretty much "spam shield and outdamage the enemy"

>>14094148

Also is lacrimosa actually good? I've been burned by the previous 2.

>>14096290

Trails in the Skies was that puzzle game masquerading as an RPG, right? I found its mechanics so shallow that the story just couldn't hold my interest. It felt like I was playing a mobage, to be perfectly honest.

>>14096300

I don't remember anything about a puzzle. Grid based, garden gnome-ish graphics, really good music?

>>14096305

Was the combat not some grid-based color-coded puzzle system? It felt like victory was more based on doing exactly the actions that the developer wanted you to make, rather than your stats or equipment or novel strategies.

I might be thinking of another game, though.

lol tales games are fucking boring as fuck trash underlined by the same old cliche anime plot each fucking time, weeb taste never ceases to amaze me as they apologize and defend for their garbage games. It feels like star wars fans defending their new shit movie. Enjoy your PSVita games with incredibly narrow gameplay, friends

>>14095794

From the comments there, it seems like Torotoro were also changing lines between part 1 and part 2 which made things even more complex.

>>14096343

>Grid-based color-coded puzzle system

Nigger I have no idea what you're describing but that isn't Trails in the Sky. That game's combat system was an isometric turn based tactical affair where you could customize what types of magic your characters had and build up a skill meter to use on character specific skills over time.

>>14095728

Is it actually that good or is it a case of your expectations were so low because you didnt expect an eroge to have good gameplay?

>>14096159

If you are getting Vesperia, then pirate the PS3 version and get the english patch. It's a massive upgrade compared to the 360 version. I would say try out Hearts R over Xillia 2 but know it has a shit translation.

>>14096159

you get cfw for ps.

>>14096412

Alright then. I have no idea what I'm describing, but it's obviously not Trails in the Sky. My bad.

>>14094184

but Ys is good anon

>>14096491

>I finished Suikoden V many, many years ago, but didn't think it was that bad.

I dare you to play through the intro again without getting tired of the senseless verbiage dialogue and generic anime stereotypes pretending to have an ounce of depth that never shut the fuck up since they need to pretend that it's like "the old games" and the "find the next plot trigger" gameplay mixed with endless backtracking to said plot triggers. I spent 7 goddamn hours skipping through worthless dialog boxes walking back and forth through several ugly goddamn environments with the most half-assed generic political plot-twists since the jackass devs didn't know how to world-build with Konami slashing their budget after the mis-produced shitshow that was 3.

>>14096552

Nevermind the voiced cutscenes with dialog boxes YOU CANNOT FUCKING SKIP. A good chunk of them are goddamn pre-rendered FMVs since lolwecan'tfigureouthowtodomocaponanactualps when Metal Gear and Silent Hill are perfectly fucking fine, fucking Konami.

>>14096523

Sorry to break it to you, but 95% of JRPGs are shallow. It is a genre staple to be basically VNs that require slightly more player involvement. Only the odd SRPG (mostly from Quest) and some action JRPGs have any depth. The rest are varying degrees of babby tier and are purposely designed to be that way.

JRPGs are the slice of life of vidya and that is not a bad thing. As an anon said earlier, they are 'comfy'.

>>14096479

Just ignore that it exists m8. Atlus remakes are always cancer.

>>14096563

the combat system is pretty neat too. There's something hype about stacking your power and bursting it.

>>14096577

>basically VNs

Maybe the ones you play

Won't deny there's a lot of casualized ones though

>>14096297

As a game its good but its been NISA'd so don't buy

>>14096579

I enjoyed that a lot, and it adds a bit of strategy and fun in finding how to optimally execute a combat turn-by-turn. I found in the demo I was having most fun just seeing the enemies that come up and figuring out the optimal order of attack that gives them the least amount of workable turns. The burst system (or whatever it was called) does a good job of mixing up ordinary and special attacks with an extra dimension to make them more interesting.

I'm just hoping it doesn't devolve into "just hammer attack through every single combat and only turn your brain on for boss battles" like almost every non-tactical RPG ever.

>>14096643

the only time i've grinded on dq was during the 2nd mudo fight on 6 since the aoe fucking burns off 90% of my party's health. pretty impossible to survive through unless i dedicate the hero, muriel and the fucker that just joined to healing hassan the whole time. doesn't help that it summons adds.

dq have gotten easier over time, but i'd admit it's only series from square that i still give a shit about.

>>14096672

>tlr

good game that needs an encyclopedia which i didn't mind at all since i play monhun too.

punishes the fags that grinds to be overleveled to roll through most rpgs then call it easy afterwards.

>>14096671

There's some fights where if you don't have a minimum level to unlock a mandatory spell you're quite fucked, I'm thinking about boss fights who deal damage to your party and you don't have multiheal

I always liked how sidequests and exploration actually meant something in that franchise, it's always a game changer when you get the philosopher stone or the hourglass. In most rpgs, all you get if you stray from the path is currency or some useless consumable

>>14094130

Bait the thread edition

>>14096705

Odd how we can still have a good discussion about good games even in a bait thread with a shit OP. It's almost like you're a shitter who came into a 100+ post thread and didn't read anything past the first post, and should probably go kill yourself.

>>14096798

Note that I've only played 3U, so this might not apply to all the games.

Elemental weaknesses and strengths can only be found out without a wiki or guide through painstaking number-keeping. It would take hours to properly build up a strength and weakness table (especially given that you can't change weapons while fighting a monster, and there is no real indication of a hit being quite strong or weak, so you'd just have to time how long it takes to take an enemy down).

It's also sometimes difficult to tell what is actually a monster's weak point without killing it over and over again, so again, you'd have to spend hours per monster figuring out the weak points and cataloging them.

Some materials can take hours to mine as many as you need for a set, so the difference between a location where a mineral is rare and non-rare can be the difference in several hours, so you either have to catalog and test each mineral patch in every location or use a guide.

If you're a boring class who can just whack a monster until it dies and don't care about completing multiple sets, it's not a big deal. More nuanced classes like archers you can only effectively play if you're an autist building your own guide or by using somebody else's.

>>14095104

I'd say its good as a sequel to Zesty, but still only okay at tops. Still has a bunch of problems that seem to plague modern Tales.

All the fucking walking through big, empty fields, needlessly large list of weaknesses that you have to hit to do real combos, and a complicated equipment crafting system in a game that really doesn't warrant it, ect.

I'd also like to see them take a break from CC-based systems in the future. Every game since Graces has pretty much had one.

>>14096273

I've played a bit of SO2 and SO3 (and I got SO5 on a whim and regretted it almost immediately), and I don't really see the to much of a similarity over the two, especially as both series went on. They are both real time, yes, but the Near-Far system from SO, the difference in the amount of attack options you have, and the way you actually move around the battlefield makes the series feel markedly different to me. And just for the sake of it, the first Tales game came out about a half a year before SO1, and their productions are completely unrelated.

Still, I've been meaning to really sink my teeth into SO2 at some point. I keep getting mixed responses when I look into whether I should play the PS1 original or the PSP remake.

>>14096833

Forgot to mention, some monsters have specific points where their elemental weaknesses are reduced (Rathian, for instance, has feet resistant to elemental damage), making it an absolute shitshow for actually knowing the best way to tackle any specific monster without a guide.

The games should really have an in-game guide of some sort. Shoot a monster with a specific element, it tells you from then on whether that element was strong or weak (ones you haven't tried stay a mystery until you try them), shoot a monster in a specific spot, it tells you how strong or weak that spot is, get a mineral from a mineral patch, it tells you that patch's drop rate for that mineral. The game pretty much necessitates a wiki, which is bad design. If you need a guide to play the game normally, the guide should be in the game itself, at least to a basic level.

>>14094130

=7th dragon code vfd-2015

=Unlucky Mage-2017

=Tales of Zestiria-2015

=I Am Setsuna-2016

=Bravely Default-2012

Shut up, the problem is that you only know how to whine, learn to search what you want

>>14097343

>Zestiria

>good

It's a bad game in an already inconsistent series. Even it's sequel, that fixes a whole lot is still markedly mediocre.

>>14094989

> Xenoblade Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, I'd also add Persona 5

Babbies first JRPGs -

Xenoblade despite being a good game was written by 9 year olds.

NiNoKuni had an abhorrent translation.

Persona 5 is a visual novel.

>>14094514

>shit characters

>not liking a semen literal demon onee-san

>not liking a bro-tier samurai

>not liking a qt witch who is the best waifu in the series

>not liking a guy with Jin Kisaragi's face and Gene from God Hand's outfit and fighting style

I get not liking Eleanor or Laphicet, let alone the game itself, but holy shit fuck outta here.

>>14095098

Also, TeaganBestGirl couldn't do it, Thassil must be burned out on it, and Lolioasis is Lolioasis. Maybe you can do it.

when was the first good jrpg? are we still waiting?

>>14097343

Last post in a row then I swear I'm done.

>7th Dragon III

I'm still assblasted about the ending. I unironically love the main theme though, even though it's the most anime song in existence

>>14096577

>Just ignore that it exists m8. Atlus remakes are always cancer.

I enjoyed DeSu Overclocked on 3DS well enough but yeah more often than not Atlus fucks up their remakes.

>>14096854

EO5 is one of Atlus' finest.

>>14094141

/thread

>>14096672

>Watered down action-JRPG bullshit

How many action RPGs even have better real time combat than Tales games? Rebirth, Vesperia PS3, Hearts R, Graces F, and Destiny DC all had good combat systems.

>>14096833

>Elemental weaknesses and strengths can only be found out without a wiki or guide through painstaking number-keeping.

Or you just look at the blademaster armor set of the monster you killed and see what element it's weak to. Know what you're fighting a pick a weapon that suits the monster. If fighting multiple monsters then go for a raw damage weapon.

>It would take hours to properly build up a strength and weakness table (especially given that you can't change weapons while fighting a monster, and there is no real indication of a hit being quite strong or weak

If you're hitting their weakspot the game stutters a little to make it look like your weapon is really smashing through something. Try hitting a Rathian in the head with a greatsword and with a fully charged slash and then its leg. The game will stutter more when it hits the head.

>Some materials can take hours to mine as many as you need for a set, so the difference between a location where a mineral is rare and non-rare can be the difference in several hours

I'll give you that one. An in-game encyclopedia that tells you where certain material comes from would really help.

>>14097343

>Zesteria

Anon, most Tales fans hate that game.

omg

>>14096273

Star Ocean has some very in-depth game mechanics with the skills and stuff like crafting which is always fun and nice to use (on the other hand, Graces 'crafting' is pretty meh).

And yeah, with optional party members and a set limit of said members you got some good replay value and then there's the fact that pretty much every pairing has an ending…

The relation is basically like this:

>Original Tri-Ace devs were part of Namco/Wolfteam

>Concept for a game "Tale Phantasia" https://www.unseen64.net/2012/02/26/tales-of-phantasia-beta-snes/

>Original character designs were by Inagaki, and this reflects in the SNES version sprites which look pretty much nothing like Fujishima's designs

>Namco steps in and changes a lot of things, starting with the Fujishima designs

>Tales of Phantasia comes out as we know it

>Devs are pissed off, so they go out and form Tri-Ace to make the first Star Ocean

>Both games are not only similar in gameplay, but also in the fact that they're the 'heaviest' SNES games around, including several voice clips and all. Similar engines are responsible for the rather complex and buggy emulation these two games had for quite some time

So in short, the very first Tales was originally made by those who eventually formed Tri-Ace.

Skits are a fun thing from Tales games, but they have no actual effect in gameplay - unlike SO Private Actions which are much more in-depth and interesting (I find it neat how party members scatter in towns to do their own thing instead of just following the leader). PAs give you the FP/AP needed for the endings you want to get, so there's an actual effect in them aside from the amusing (or character developing) banter.

>>14097739

>a game in which the players take on the roles of imaginary characters who engage in adventures

So every single game ever? Following this description, even Doom would be a RPG.

>typically in a particular computerized fantasy setting overseen by a referee.

Overseen by a referee? What?

This definition is absolutely shit and you should feel ashamed for thinking you could make an argument with it.

>>14097780

Good post

>>14097858

>And technically yes, doom, pacman, mario, whatever the fuck game where you play as a character can be defined as an rpg i guess?

Smugly pointing at a dictionary (or multiple dictionaries in your case) doesn't count as an argument faggot

Anyone with more than two brain cells can read your post

>And technically yes, doom, pacman, mario, whatever the fuck game where you play as a character can be defined as an rpg i guess?

And realize you're a braindead retard not worth discussing anything with

Reminder that anime and JRPGs keep normalfags away, and OP is likely a normalfag refugee trying to rewrite history.

It is possible to have a thread on JRPGs without spergs arguing over what is or isn't a JRPG?

The correct answer is that it is a stupid fucking name for a genre and it has ever-changing, nebulous characteristics for what properly defines it. It doesn't help also that some games blend characteristics of other genres with JRPGs to create more hybrids.

>>14097883

This

>>14097883

>Reminder that anime and JRPGs keep normalfags away

You live in delusion.

>>14097912

>smug anime girl isn't at the top

Nice job editing the original.

>>14094130

>you will never shovel orange gels down Estelle's gullet as she blows all her SP pow hammering your chode and first aiding it back into action

>>14097912

The objective was never to convince you, it was to point and laugh at you because it'd be hopeless to try and convince you of anything when you lack the cranial capacity to process that words can mean something very different when used practically vs being used in a semantic sense

But I'm sure Wikipedia is a good source for information on what counts as an RPG.

>>14098235

Dragon view sort of did that (poorly)

>>14098312

>and well as super/hyper armor

I thought Abyss already had that with certain overlimit bonuses.

>>14098312

>So what does the "Japanese" in JRPG tell you about the way the game plays?

Teenagers with improbable weapons will kill a generic god of doom.

Nep games are pretty fun even if they are super grindy.

>>14098553

JRPG always felt derogatory to me, like it was specifically coined by some kike marketing company to start some manufactured east VS west distraction.

>>14098553

>>14098312

>>14098702

The term "JRPG" goes all the way back to Dragon Quest. In the west, Ultima was the definitive RPG and every RPG coming out was an imitation of Ultima in some way. Dragon Quest was completely different in gameplay than the RPG western players were used to but in Japan where it was a niche genre Dragon Quest was their introduction to it and the RPGs that Japanese devs made afterwards were inspired by Dragon Quest instead of Ultima, while western devs were still copying Ultima. It's more blurred today with games like Dark Souls and such but that's where it originally comes from, it's the only genre we differentiate by region because it's the only genre that evolved completely differently in different regions of the world.

>>14098765

>Dragon Quest

>Japanese introduction to RPGs

Wrong that would be Wizardry and Ultima both series getting console ports in Japan as a result of the popularity of these series over there. If anything Dragon Quest is merely a deformed combination of those two titles but the similarities are pretty evident.

>JRPG

>Evolving differently from the rest of the world

Video games haven't been around nearly long enough to make statements like that. Fundamentally 'JRPGs' evolved from the same sources that 'WRPGs' came from the differences being that Japan never had the wave of infinity engine 'cRPGs' that the west received. Doubly so when most so called 'WRPGs' have the most loose connection to games like Ultima.

>>14098069

The Xenoblade 2 meltdowns on various forums and comment sections prove that anon right. The people that defended Treehouse for XCX with the "she's 13, you creeps!" line exploded with rage over XC2 being uncut, having "anime" art style, and characters in skimpy outfits. Pyra alone set them off, but there are plenty of lolis to further anger them.

Now compare this to Skyrim, the normalfag wet dream of WRPGs, a cancerous mess that still gets sold as ports and remakes to mouthbreathers.

Are JRPGs the style that early FFs were in?

>>14099221

They whine but they don't go away or stay way. They just try to change them.

>>14099235

A JRPG is an RPG made in Japan, plain and simple. Some may say they abide by some kind of arbitrary rules of design, some prefer them over western made ones, but in the end the definition shouldn't be as complicated as people try to make it. There are JRPGs that borrow from western design and vice versa.

Personally I prefer JRPGs because I'd rather spend 30+ hours with cute anime girls exploring colorful and strange places versus slumming it in a WRPG of plain wilderness and grim dungeons with JRR Tolkien knockoffs for the 1000th time; but that comes down to personal taste for the aesthetics.

>>14099248

They hang around to whine and they try to force change, but eventually they fuck off. The problem is a new batch of normalfags will always cycle in and replace the ones that "grew up" and left certain games or the entire hobby behind. The same thing happens with western anime fans. You get some asshole that sees a battle shonen on TV, likes it, then sees his first ecchi anime and flips out because sexy cartoons make him uncomfortable. That asshole goes to MAL and ANN and bitches about fanservice killing anime for the next couple years, then "grows up" and never watches anime again. Meanwhile Japan continues to not care about buttblasted American normalfag #554285702.

Vidya has more issue because there are too many normalfags and hysterical women working in localization, but some companies seem to be noticing they're killing sales by letting incompetent SJWs localize niche games.

No because tales of games are fucking trash

>>14100327

Moe is genuinely good. I must have watched 600+ series and I've been watching anime since the late 90's. I'm 30 now.

Moe is ｋｉｎｏ. The sort of seasonal anime your average /a/utist watches is ｋｉｎｏ. There is no way around this. Just admit it's ｋｉｎｏ and stop trying to pretend it isn't.

Fuck off goon.

>>14100327

>>14100340

>moe

You mean shows like Lucky Star?

That was an awful thing to watch.

>>14095098

what's that game called again? I totally forgot the name, but all I remember is teagan and how trashy the rest of the party is

>>14100340

haha i love epic memes too fellow weeb xd

>>14100354

>>14100374

>Lucky Star is totally not moeshit though

Kill yourself you flip-flopping retard.

>>14100379

>goonslayer.jpg

>as if that picture itself says anything

>>14100387

Uncommon Time.

>>14100428

oshid

>>14100374

>there are people still mad that moe was a fad 11 years ago

wew

>>14100398

If you knew how to read you'd know the context of it you ip-hopping retard.

>>14100374

>dogshit was actually comparatively good compared to today's catshit.

NO, you piece of shit.

If you play JRPGs made after the playstation 1 era you are a tasteless faggort.

>>14100733

What's the point of writing all this big bag of stupid that will be forgotten to time? Are internet arguments even necessary? .

>>14094152

Fairy Fencer F did the same bullshit.

>AHAHA TIME FOR TIME TRAVEL

>DO THE ENTIRE GAME OVER AGAIN

The fact that it was blatent reskin of Neptunia V was bad enough, that shit completely put me off for years.

>>14100379

>Anime 2014/2015 features Berserk twice - -which was also made into an animated movie in the 90s.

To be honest, the quality of stories of anime has gone down drastically. Like Americans, nobody wants to take the risk anymore. It's nice to have something experimental every so often, but these days? You're better off making something you know people are going to buy.

>>14100733

I think sperging out at the "anime was better in the past" faggot is perfectly justified. They have selective bias. Thinking that moeshit is a modern invention only, and their worship of the 'classics' conveniently excludes all the 'moe shit' of the past.

>>14096598

How bad are Nisa exactly? I remember the older ys games having some weird puns but nothing too offputting.

>>14100733

>Tiger Mask

You are my nigger.

RPG as a video game genre dosnt mean you just play roles

what is the gameplay like in an rpg, and how is a jrpg different from that?

>>14101050

>Slow transitions into battles for many JRPGs

>No ability to skip attack animations for the most part. Animations usually being long and over the top which just ends up slowing down the gameplay. By endgame you'll be watching more than playing

>Retarded requirements to meet certain conditions like that weapon in FF9 that requires you to speedrun the game by skipping FMVs by opening up the disc tray. Or some of the absurd shit in Star Ocean 2.

>Plagued by horrible translations and dubs for the most part. Only way to avoid this is by importing

>None of the good improvements you see in modern games like instant retries for boss fights you lose, ability to skip cutscenes, fast forward mechanic (though if your games needs this you're just covering up another obvious problem), and simply better combat mechanics for Action RPGs.

Tales of Eternia may still be my favorite RPG but the quality of life features older RPGs lack can make them really tedious to play. Though emulators fix some of these issues.

>>14101199

>Bitching about Star Ocean 2

Casual detected. Go play Dark Souls 3 kid.

>>14101255

Star Ocean 2 was easy though. Even the limiter removed final boss and iseria queen weren't much of a challenge.

>>14094130

Berseria was fairly decent

>>14101096

Translations are spotty at best, and they have introduced game breaking bugs in a few of the games they translated. In Ar Tonelico 2 the game will crash if you take too many turns on the last boss, but it is possible to beat it with that short limit. In Witch and the Hundred Knight there is some bug they introduced that can brick PS3s.

>>14101373

So I can expect system reqs to be insanely high?

>>14101373

Not exactly - it just crashes to XMB randomly.

It's Disgaea D2 that can cook your PS3 thanks to an oversight with the (how appropriate) fire spell animation.

>>14101496

The top 50 games on metacritic are riddled with the same games on multiple platforms

>5 GTA Vs

>2 Breath of the Wilds

>2 Last of Us

Etc.

>>14101080

The 80s and 90s had a ton of OVAs since which is why it looked more risky and ambitious compared to today. You had a bunch of small studios full of passionate, talented men making anime that they would love to see whether it be some quality hentai or crazy a cyberpunk show. Similar to gaming where a bunch of small studios made quality games during the 90s to mid 2000s. Now anime is easier to make than ever and you don't have to even make a good looking show to have it be enjoyable like Shin-chan and Konosuba. Just like most large companies, they don't want to take risks. Yet when one decides to stick their head out and end up being successful, companies nearly ride on their success and copy them instead of experimenting themselves. Like when Ubisoft was stupid enough to turn Black Flag into another AC game instead of letting the devs just make a game.

>>14101069

Why even post at all?

>>14101564

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls036417104/

There are some games I think are absolute shit up there like Skyrim but looking at this anime list it doesn't seem so bad either besides shit like SAO being up there. Unlike games though, anime targets a more diverse audience that can have themes that completely turn people away. For example there isn't a genre of games I hate but I wouldn't go out of my way to play them. Yet I hate harems and loathe most harem anime. I don't care for many shoujo ai either.

>>14101673

>Standing up for the Mouse Monopoly.

Good Goy.

>>14101788

Nobody is defending Disney, it's just stupid to blame Disney for being lazy and having lazy people copy them. If I beat my wife and my friend sees and also beats his wife, am I responsible for his wife getting beaten? Disney is responsible for themselves, not for lazy nips cutting corners.

>>14101826

If your friend is impressionable and you're highly influential then you had a hand in turning him that way

doesn't mean he's not responsible for his own actions but thinking Disney wasn't partly to blame is just as fucking retarded

Mods why did you delete shitposter-kun's posts?

He was very polite overall for one

>>14096273

how does SO2 compare to SO: First Departure? really enjoyed it

>>14101373

You're wrong with Ar tonelico 2: it's not the last boss, but the third to last boss.

And that crash is no more than the tip of the iceberg of the problems and bugs NISA released it with.

This thread managed to actually be worse than I expected. Thanks for all your hard work, everyone.

>>14097360

>implying those faggots even played Gears

Is Soraya even penning the script anymore? No Sorya, no buy.