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Hitman 2: Slient Assassin is the best but also the most slowest.

But Styx 2 came out this year.

>>14069796

payday 2 stelt is the worst

Stealth games should be filed under whichever gimmick they use to make your character invisible. It's all a trick in the end, you are literally fooling no one: all you do, is getting liberal doses of a superpower.

>the genre is dead because I say so

>hurr durr generic weebshit image

>>14069854

there hasn't been a transcendent game in years

>>14069874

The new hitman is even worse

Why is there so much shit in Thief? The Prison level is kind of cool but then you have to do that shit crypt mission after. Lets not even speak of Thieve's Guild.

>>14069874

Nuhitman is complete irredeemable garbage

You cant kill women or niggers

All the contracts are ebil white men

Ebin ebil DRUMF forced memes

47 was retconned as a soyboy

Game is literally press a to win the game

Literally no challenge at all

Denuvo and root kits everywhere

Can’t say anything pro-white or get banned from even playing the game ever again

Complete garbage and anyone who’s says otherwise is a square enix shill

>>14069906

While i absolutely hate the new hitman some of that info is wrong

See vid related, literally a nigger woman as target

>>14069906

>Can’t say anything pro-white or get banned from even playing the game ever again

citation needed

>>14069947

No one in Hitman has ever been innocent. The devs always come up with some tearjerker story and make sure your targets are "evil"

>>14069874

It's better than Absolution but still not as good as Blood Money. It's still worth grabbing on sale though.

stealth games were never good

>>14069818

>The original Splinter Cell is the best game

>Entire game is linear stealth puzzles

>Doesn't even feel like sneaking so much as figuring out what the devs wanted you to do

>Forced gunfight sequences

Yah, nah. At least chaos theory had the bank level.

>>14069897

Thief 2 is the pure stealth game. Thief 1 is a mix between stealth and raiding tombs. 1 feels like it has the most soul though out of any stealth game

>>14069897

>Why is there so much shit in Thief?

because that's how you know you have a winning concept with a terrible game attached to it

>>14070047

>Thief 2 is the pure stealth game

which is what makes it the best of the series

>>14069897

Why does everyone hate the Thieves Guild mission?

>>14069796

>stealth died in 2016

Did a stealth game come out in 2016, what?

>>14070061

>which is what makes it the best of the series

I prefer 1. It has better atmosphere and higher highs than 2 but also lower lows

>>14070075

>Loot you can't stealth without alerting NPCs

>95% of the level is a maze of sewers

>Need to find a secret to beat the level

>>14070077

I put 2016 for those who liked nu-hitman I guess, although for me it's been dead for a long time

>>14069836

Pandora Tomorrow is better because of the train.

>>14069818

>>14070023

Wrong.

>>14069897

Thief: The Dark Project was the first real stealth game, ever. So it was still living under certain design ideas from older games, not to mention earlier plans for it when it was meant to be a sort of action RPG. Thief II

: The Metal Age had had time to look over what was well received in The Dark Project, what wasn't, and to figure out based on this and the developers' own experience making the Dark Project and decide just what a stealth game should and shouldn't have. Their conclusion was that it should mainly be about human enemies and sneaking through mansions and banks and warehouses.

With The Dark Project they didn't have that precedent to go by, nobody did, because it was the first of its kind. So a lot of levels are full of monsters and undead because that's what your typical old school fantasy RPG dungeon crawler is full of (in fact a lot of them were made for the original Dark Camelot RPG that turned into Thief and just got recycled), and that's just all they really had to go by. Plus some areas where you're stealing from mansions and whatnot, and those ended up being the "what a stealth game should be" levels. But before they actually released Thief, there wasn't really a way of knowing what to do for a stealth game in particular.

So in short I guess you could say it's because Thief: The Dark Project was an experiment, the first of its kind.

>>14069906

This is either genuine top cancer or some strange reverse psychology marketing.

>>14070269

Best post in this thread. You can see the same thing with Hitman: Codename 47, which I would also consider the first of it's kind, suffering from similar problems as The Dark Project.

>>14069897

I've never understood why people hate Bonehoard so much. It's atmospheric as hell.

>>14069818

has sam fisher always been in this picture? I've been seeing this image for like 10 years, maybe more, and never saw sam there.

For anyone that likes Teef, look at the Dark Mod

>>14070381

I like the Bonehoard. It's genuinely creepy in parts, like how the Horn suddenly stops "singing" when you pick it up. Stay away from my face, thief.

>>14070405

Meant for >>14070388

>>14070402

Holy fucking shit, same.

>>14070402

>>14070413

>>14070425

The entire reason people post this image around is because of him. You never noticed someone post it with a filename like FISHERYOUVEBEENSPOTTED.jpg or something?

>>14070429

Nope. I guess I just always assumed it was either to make fun of attention whores, or to get people's attention in a thread and make people more likely to reply.

>>14069960

That always bothered me. It seems more likely the kind of people who would hire an assassin would want someone "good" dead, not someone "evil". Something approaching grey would have been nice at least.

>>14069796

>RIP Stealth Genre 1998-2016 A

More like 1998-2000. I can't think of a single good stealth game released after Thief II.

But the sequel to styx came out this year, was that not any good?

Also blacklist was a massive step up from conviction even if it was still casualized, and even the obligatory black dude fit in enough to not feel like just diversity pandering

>>14070447

Letting the player control anything besides the ultimate super duper hero guy who fucks up evil and saves puppies doesn't sell well these days.

>>14070404

Does the Doom 3 engine really handle stealth well?

>>14070451

I didn't even care about the somalian refugee since he barely even talks but making Sam into a completely generic action hero annoyed the fuck out of me.

>>14070448

Chaos Theory, 2005.

Blood Money, 2006.

>>14070460

>Chaos Theory, 2005.

>Blood Money, 2006.

I said good stealth game

>>14070462

(you)

>>14069796

Stealth genre died with fukushima.

>>14070459

>making Sam into a completely generic action hero annoyed the fuck out of me

yeah

I guess I just didn't mind much since splinter cell games have always revolved around somewhat bombastic save the world plots and I've never paid all that much attention to dialog

>>14070557

when Ironsides did the character he was a sarcastic, jaded old guy who really wanted to retire and was sick of the bullshit.

With BLACKEDlist he was just your run of the mill "whiskey tango foxtrot lets get those terrorists for America oorah" soldier hero.

>>14070571

The thing about characters being generic and boring is that it makes it super easy to just tune out, at least for me

The loss sucks but I don't think that alone is what makes it a bad game

>>14070589

I agree, I got over it quickly because between the new face and voice I stopped thinking of him as the same character.

>>14069848

Hiding in a bush or under something is a superpower?

>>14070451

>But the sequel to styx came out this year, was that not any good?

It was good, and the gameplay was a bit improved, graphics substantially improved, much more polished… story wasn't anywhere near as good though and I found the setting less interesting.

If they did a remake of the original in UE4 with the polish and gameplay improvements of the sequel (not the crafting shit, just the increased fluidity), they'd have a game to rival Thief II.

>>14070608

Because it's essentially developing two completely separate games in tandem, and one of them inevitably becomes more appealing to players, leading to frustration and quitting

And people aren't really that into stealth in the first place, so player retention for a multiplayer community is a pretty hard ask to begin with, it's why metal gear online has been so rocky and now is more about action than stealth

Also they did bring it back in blacklist, it just went down the same route as the single player

>>14070460

>Blood Money, 2006.

I like that game, but stealth is lacking. The only stealthy parts come down to getting a disguise (usually there's a real obvious one to grab) and killing the target (usually there is a very obvious window of when to kill). There is also smuggling weapons out, but it ranges from impossible without glitches (crows level), to extremely difficult (elephant gun), to pretty easy, and even then that's more of a bonus. There are also certain stealth segments, like busting the redhead out of the rehab center.

But this is like 10-15% of the game, where rest is just walking around basically invisible trying to figure out what the devs want you to do.

I've never played a 'real' stealth game, just shitty stealth segments in other genres. What's the quintessential experience, /v/? Mostly I hear Thief 2 being close to what I'm thinking of, but I rarely hear it talked about either way.

>>14070851

All the "real" stealth games basically have their own quirks that make people prefer them to the others. It comes down to MGS, Splinter Cell, Thief, Hitman, Styx and Sneak King.

Thief's main draw is the levels are fucking gigantic and you can easily get lost in the place you're robbing. There are so many enemies that knocking them out indiscriminately doesn't really break the game because there's another 10 you might bump into.

1 is half fantasy dungeon diving half stealth game and 2 is just pure stealth.

>>14069796

There does not need to be another stealth game other than death to spies and maybe hidden and dangerous.

>>14070851

Play Thief from the beginning. Some people don't like certain levels in The Dark Project but its still a fantastic game and you will have no clue what's going on in the storyline if you jump into 2 first.

>>14070882

>Some people

I think pretty much every agrees haunted cathedral (the city part) is a fucking abomination.

>>14070851

Thief II is probably the best game to start with unless you really have a hardon for Tom Clancy novel type modern espionage in which case start with Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. I'm not a fan of Splinter Cell, personally, but this is mainly because I find the console-based controls incredibly frustrating to play with. Your mileage may vary. In general here's a list of games to check out:

Thief

Thief II

Thief 2X SotMA

Thief Deadly Shadows

Styx: Master of Shadows

Styx: Shards of Darkness

Splinter Cell

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

I'm not a Hitman fan so I can't pick out good parts of the series but Hitman: Blood Money seems to be widely regarded as the best. I played it and did not like it and honestly I think if you're a fan of skulking in shadows you probably won't like it, but everyone's tastes are different. Hitman is about disguises and puzzling a path to your victim or back out.

I'd also like to throw in a recommendation for Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I'll catch some flak for this, but I really enjoyed it as a stealth RPG, and from what I understand a lot of the issues it did have, like boss fights, later got updated to add stealth options. Granted, the really good part is Detroit, the game does decline in quality from there. But I found it to be a fun stealth game with a GitS-ish atmosphere. Don't start with it as your first stealth game, just keep it in mind later if you're starved for good stealth stuff and need more options.

I think Metro 2033 also deserves honourable mention; while it has some unavoidable monster combat and no nonlethal takedown options (I think Redux adds them, but fucks the game up completely), for the most part you can play it as a very stealthy game. Lots of exploration and poking around the ruins of Moscow. Great atmosphere and visuals. Arguably you get a better story experience playing it stealthy since you hear more enemy conversations and such. Metro Last Light is dogshit, don't touch it, it shits all over the characters in 2033 and will ruin the original for you. 2033 is a proper cyka blyat cheeki breeki slav experience, Last Light feels American.

With regards to Thief note that starting with Thief II won't spoil a whole lot in the original, the stories are pretty separate. The only spoilerish thing is knowing some details about Viktoria beforehand, but that still doesn't reveal a whole lot when you go back and play the original. Conversely starting with the original may turn you off the series altogether because of all the dungeon crawling stuff, and then you'll miss out on a great sequel. SotMA is a fan mod that runs parallel to the events of Thief II. Despite being a fan mod the quality is excellent. You only really see the fan-made elements in the cutscenes, one creature's animations, and a bit of the voice acting. That was years ago and even those deficiencies may well have been corrected by now. Aside from those, you'd never be able to tell it wasn't made by LGS itself. SotMA is excellent and every Thief fan should try it.

>>14071157

>but this is mainly because I find the console-based controls incredibly frustrating to play with.

This is how I feel about styx

>>14071184

True. But it felt less pronounced in Styx, and the controls were less molasses-y.

>>14071257

>that image

We will never, EVER see companies set aside petty personal bullshit and create games where character from X franchise is put into the world of Y franchise JUST to let the player see how the character’s abilities and play style would work therein.

>>14071294

But muh canon anon, the games can't mix.

>>14071294

I remember when autists would argue on forums about whether Solid Snake or Sam Fisher was better. I almost miss those days.

>>14071257

>per se

Thank you for spelling this correctly, anon.

>>14071408

yw bb

>>14071294

MGS4 had some Assassin's Creed stuff though, didn't it?

>>14071452

Just an outfit.

>>14069874

Only if you turn off all the nustealth UI garbage like wallhax and objective markers.

>>14069906

go back to >>>/tv/

>>14069874

>Is the latest Hitman any good?

It's not bad but the business model should not be supported.

>I have only ever played Absolution and that one was absolute garbage.

Why would you start with the worst fucking game in the series? If you don't feel up to the older ones at least do Contracts and Blood Money.

>>14069897

Gold added Thieves' Guild, just skip it but I like Bonehoard. There's so much weird shit because it was originally going to be a swordfighting dungeon-thingy game.

>>14070075

Mostly the backtracking, how much of a samey brown mess the level is visually and how it adds nothing new to the game (arguably it fucks up the pacing a bit). I guess they added it because they wanted a bit more actual thievery in the early levels.

>>14070851

Thief 1 and 2 (get the fanpatches).

>>14070870

MGS isn't really a stealth series but MG was.

>>14069874

Almost as good as blood money

Just open the menu and disable the handholding.

.>>14069906

Am i being rused?

Reported just in case.

>>14069932

There's contract "black lives matter" where you kill two blacks, with description "this contract was orded by the mysterious moonman" so that guy is baiting.

>>14069960

to be fair, you get contracts from even worse people, especially the hits on cartels, mobs, and crime syndicates.

>>14070851

>>14071157

I would throw in an anti-recommendation for Deus Ex Human Revolution. The stealth mechanics in this thing is as deep as MGS 1, very disappointing. You would be better playing the original Deus Ex, even with its braindead AI. At least you can use EVERYTHING to make a distraction, use shadows in your favor, better stealth augs (spy drone), more bots, no radar… it will be a nice introduction to Thief mechanics without playing Thief (which can be overwhelming at first due to the big ass levels and emphasis in exploration/loot)

Anyways, if you don't care about story, go for Thief II and Chaos Theory (which are the gold standard of the genre). Thief 1 is a good game but the stealth aspect is less important. Splinter Cell 1 & 2 are very linear and lets you no-freedom when playing it. Chaos Theory while linear, offers more freedom to tackle situations, some alternate paths as well as not having as many forced action scenes as the previous games. Also I've heard good things about the OG Xbox version of Double Agent (which is totally different from 360/PS3/PC Double Agent) but I haven't had the chance to try it

I would also recommend playing MGS 3, even if it's not the best stealth game out there. Just as Hitman, MGS 3 is its own thing within the genre, adding survival aspects, camouflage and thousands of clever ways to deal with the enemy, it's worth at least one playthrough (but the game shines when experimenting in successive playthroughs). I wouldn't recommend any other MGS from a stealth perspective except from Ground Zeroes, which is just the prologue of Phantom Pain, but it's very well done. Just a shame Kojima/Konami dropped the ball

>>14071056

>I think pretty much every agrees haunted cathedral (the city part) is a fucking abomination.

Who? I mean it doesn't play so well on a replay but it's not a particularly bad level unless you really can't stand the undead levels. Without it for build-up I don't think the Cathedral level would be as good either.

>>14071157

>I'm not a Hitman fan so I can't pick out good parts of the series but Hitman: Blood Money seems to be widely regarded as the best.

It'd be either Blood Money or Contacts.

Is there any point to getting/playing the games after theif 2 in the series?

>>14069874

When you turn off most of the UI like the wallhack vision, it's excellent. I actually prefer it to Blood Money, but know that it has a shit business model.

>>14070851

The holy trinity is Blood Money, Chaos Theory, and Thief 1 or 2, Metal Gear isn't a stealth game and more of an action game where you're not supposed to be spotted but gameplay-wise Snake Eater is the best.

>>14071641

Deadly Shadows is still fine good rather than great particularly if you get the Sneaky Upgrade http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138607

There's one pretty good level that I won't spoil and the story as a whole neatly wraps things up after the first two games.

>>14071641

Deadly Shadows is decent. NuThief is…it's like Blacklist is to Splinter Cell, almost. It's an actual stealth game if you play it on the hardest difficulty with most of the handholds turned off. But it fails to live up to the legacy of the series.

>>14071325

Sam Fisher is better.

>>14071530

Agh

>>14069906

You're right about The fuck drumpf stuff, but the second mission revolves around you killing Mossad agents.

>>14071530

Chaos Theory had some really memorable dialogue. I liked the conversation between the two guards at the beginning of that level regarding the motion-sensing lights.

>>14071641

I before E except after C

Thief 1 and 2 before Deadly Shadows unless you're a fag

>>14072448

Chaos Theory can go toe-to-toe with any other stealth game out there as far as I'm concerned.

>1998-2016

>>2016

I haven't seen an actually worthwhile stealth game for almost ten years.

>>14071157

Someone never read the Metro books did they? The game shits all over Metro by making it CoD. You faggots only like it because it's slow walking segments are Russian instead of American.

I might have been too hard on Styx 2. Styx is an insufferable meme lord now for some reason who breaks the fourth wall, the story even early on is clearly lacking and they removed maps and objectives unless you leave big floating markers on your screen. The first game you could disable that shit and still see a map of the area and what you're meant to do.

>>14073576

It's out dated. These days they show you full enemy outlines not just icons.

>>14073603

Welcome to pretty much any game ever now. If the first one does well they expand the writing staff and it becomes full of people like Anthony Birch.

>-2016?

Who gives a flyinjg fuck. I play Rogues Spear and SWAT 3 with my men.

>>14073576

Not really, it's a hobby. It would be like not playing with old firearms or collecting beautiful automobiles. A sick load of hobbies and cutthroat gambles among brothers. The real gambles you will always hear of elsewhere.

>>14069906

>Denuvo and root kits everywhere

IO got rid of Denuvo once they became independent.

>Can’t say anything pro-white or get banned from even playing the game ever again

What do you mean?

>>14073625

What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>14073691

I think he is saying that people get too hung up on CURRENT YEAR blues. Hobbies are timeless and you won't always stay in the past nor always in the present. If you're really into firearms as his example, you won't just settle with the new stuff, you will go back and check out vintage arms. Same for cars, bikes, films, books, music etc.

>>14071056

Return to the Cathedral spooked me good, last year.

>>14072470

>I before E except after C

only when the sound is ee

>>14076503

>would the invaders cheat by maxing brightness and gamma?

Yes.

>>14071524

>>14071530

The nuStealth UI garbage can be disabled and the game actually works well without it, with the only exception of wallhack vision because there is too much environment clutter to be able to tell which items are interactable, still, activating it slows you down and you have to hold the button so you won't be able to have it on constantly.

>>14072678

>Hitman 6

It's a good game hidden under a bad business model. Just turn off a good chunk of the UI and you'll have a blast.

>>14076503

if you played cs 1.6 on software graphics you could see through smoke grenades and i would always play on that setting because of it. so yea, if someone can do something as simple as turning up gamma to get an edge on someone else they fucking will

>>14073659

maybe he spammed the forums with shit and cried victim when he got banned, its usually the case with these types of people, especially ones who type like that. when there was that thread on the rust forum where people who got banned were getting shamed publicly it was always crying victim saying they didn't hack then they'd get replied to with a screenshot of their game filled with every imaginable hack

>>14076640

> Ass creed brotherhood multiplayer managed to be fun.

it was fun until you realize what one of the final unlocks, poison did. it let you stealth kill people with absolutely no tip to who just killed you. literally game breaking. turned from fun conga lines of assassins waiting for the first in line to get murdered for the assassin party to begin into boring fucking games where nothing ever happens because you always get perfect stealth kills/killed. poison ruined the entire online for me even after unlocking it myself

>>14070225

never posted here before but i had to stop by and say, that NES metal gear beat you to it

>>14076730

Pac-Man :^)

Not really.

Why won't someone make a stealth game where you take lewd pics but have it where you got to be really steathy and not dumb AI, you have to follow them walking home from school, break into their house and get pics of them when they are in their bathroom or sleeping etc. No stupid AI.

>>14071530

I think today instead of military jargon Sam would just say anything lolsorandom or a meme.

>>14076582

>buying the game and supporting the business model in the first place

Did you get lost? This isn't 4chan.

>>14078301

Well I wanted it where you can be a boy or girl pervert.

>>14078375

I wanted it their person, and feeling like MGS. Also have it where if your a girl you stalk guys and if your a guy you stalk girls.

>>14072678

>Most action oriented MG of them all

That'd be Peace Walker, anon, you spend the majority of your time in Peace Walker shooting shit with sneaking being a minor distraction at best. I went through the vast majority of MGS:V without getting in any fights whatsoever. NuHitman is actually pretty good, but only if you disable all of the fucking retarded UI shit.

>>14072668

That game on the bottom right is the stealthiest out of all the stealth games

>>14078446

Are there any other good 2D stealth games out there? I was surprised how satisfying Mark of the Ninja was to play, despite the inherent linearity that comes from lacking 3 dimensions. It's a shame we'll probably never get a sequel.

>>14078465

There's Gunpoint which is excellent and Stealth Bastard, but they function more like puzzle games than stealth games.

And yep, fucking Klei having to make completely different games every time.

>That glorious feel when playing Assassins

>Now have to do Thieves Guild

W-wish me luck. I've decided if its just as shit as I remember I will either skip it or go back a save to do it again on normal.

>>14079122

Usually I just skip it tbhfam

>>14070447

That's why I liked Codename 47's story a lot, the targets are all evil, but in the end you find out that each of those hits were requested by an even more evil guy who turns out to be 47's creator and one of his five genetic fathers. I do forget exactly why he hired 47 to kill them all, I should really replay the game now that I think about it.

>>14079745

>playing orange filter and retcons: the game

>playing shitty games

>"pacifist friendly"

so how many times have you finished under tale huh

>>14079745

>>14079730

fucking ghostfags ruined the genre I swear. Ever since each game had to cater to a bunch of moralists providing good goy points to them. Back then in the age of Thief/OG Deus Ex, going lethal or non-lethal was a matter of style choice. Those games are still beloved because apart from their stellar level design, provided enough means of self-expression without gimping the player for its choice. Now it's all "oh so you pressed the button in your right instead of the one in the left, bad goy! here you are, less xp points and a bad ending! don't forget to play in this exact way to get the most out of the experience!"

Also wrong unless you're strictly speaking about SC1 or Conviction. The rest are all "pacifist friendly" as you put it.

>>14079763

Wow anon you're so hardcore.

>>14079854

>Nedich is one of three characters in the game who Sam will invariably kill regardless of the player's choice, killing him after an interrogation even if the player presses the button to simply knock him out. Hugo Lacerda (who also dies after an interrogation) and Douglas Shetland are the other two.

Sam Fisher kills people.

>>14079894

>Sam Fisher kills people.

I am, so, so disgusted by this! it upsets me!

You can knock out lacerda non-lethally and it will complete the mission. Haven't tried that with Nedich

>>14079367

I tried but I too skipped it. Fuck that level to hell. Onto the Sword now.

Why Blood Money is better than HITMAN™ ?

>>14079981

You don't have to connect it to the Internet in order to earn or keep upgrades.

It has more than six maps.

I haven't played HITMAN™.

>>14079981

sniper case

>>14080039

Silent Assassin?

>>14080069

It's been a while since I played it, but I'm pretty sure Silent Assassin had the sniper case.

>>14080134

It didn't

Waiting for a guard to wake in a line only to way back where he will find me waiting to strike. every stealth game

Stealth games with no killing?

>>14081349

>implying I'm phone posting

>muh tension

>larping in a video game think that you will actually traumatize a guard

>>14081418

oh fugg

>>14081418

you got me I will be leaving now

>>14081481

1. How new are they, stop giving Valve your money.

2. Read the thread nigger, BM is the disputed champion of the series.

>>14081481

Play them in release order (C47, SA, BM). Also, play Contracts, which came out in between SA and BM. If you find that you can't stand C47 or SA, move on to the next game.

>>14071198

This reminds me of when video games were good.

You can tell they made it specifically so you can be smug as fuck as you show that guy ninjas are real.

>>14081516

Codename 47 has terrible graphics issues and only renders in a super small box that is half-way off my screen. Started a new game, but WASD and Arrow Keys didn't move the guy. I don't really feel like trying to fix broken old games.

>>14081572

Fair enough. Move on to SA, then. C47 is kind of the odd one out in the series, anyway. It was still finding its feet.

>>14081600

I just installed Blood Money its the same shit.

>>14081572

>>14081610

What's your operating system.

>>14081700

that seems unnecessary is your dick attracted to multitasking hentai?

>>14081700

okay, i get watching multiple porns at once but considering most hentai 1) is just looped animation and 2) attempts to shove some shit plot in between the loops, the fuck reason would you have to be watching them simultaneously

>>14081700

sauce?

>>14069906

back to the containment board, /pol/

>tfw I've quit Thief for the third time

Love Assassins, liked Bafford's Mansion and the Sword, Prison is OK, Bonehoard, Thieves Guild and Cathedral suck total shit and killed the game. Maybe its my mentality, maybe its me playing on Expert so the bad levels drag out longer. For whatever reason, I can't truly get into this game. I have heard Thief 2 is more like Assassins and Mansion but I don't really want to skip games.

>>14086734

BASED