c984b4 No.14025289
Why has the gaming community become so impossible to hold a discussion in any more?
Any time you point out a flaw in a game you get attacked by fanboys. If you point out a strength in a game you get called a shill. What happened to having a discussion?
Is the polarization one of the reasons we're seeing so much indie shit being so low quality? How can a wannabe dev learn what works and doesn't if any discussion is 100% or 0% are the only acceptable opinions?
087a89 No.14025317
You new to the internet or something? Fanboys and shills will act like fanboys and shills in every form of media, and this has been true since day one.
3b341e No.14025327
reminds me of something interesting bill whittle said about memes
08adc6 No.14025332
>>14025289
There's a reason why the hot pockets ban fanboys on /v/, and it's because they always shit up discussion. They contribute nothing and are just faggots who need to kill themselves for fucking brand loyalty.
Regardless while such people do exist, they're usually the minority here. Mind you Holidays are worse than Summer, so perhaps you'll see more fan boys here.
c984b4 No.14025354
>>14025317
The internet wasn't as bad as it is now previously. Previously you would have 1-2 fanboys in a group of 10 people discussing it. They would white knight but not be disruptive. Now there is no middle ground there is only extremes.
08adc6 No.14025365
9d9d98 No.14025473
there is no gatekeeper to quality thought anymore. people are interested in confirming their own biases only and just don't deal with reality with an open mind willing to change or accept anything other than what they (((feel))) to be correct. realistically i think people were always this way, they were always stupid you know? but i think they have way more opportunity now to actually show it and stay that way.
its really a shame. i learned not to care anymore. which isn't healthy for the very topic we are referring to, which is the ability to have a middle ground discussion. maybe that's what the whole goal of critical theory was all along. or maybe this is the natural progression of a group dealing with the world in the best way they know how. which is stupidly
ad6c89 No.14025525
This is only true for surface-level shitposting.
Good discussion still happens very frequently. Problem is people take bait, shitposting and banter too seriously (the bait part especially so).
All it takes is a
>cucksona
or a
>cuckhead
from a (1) and discussions can be lost if the community doesn't know how to not respond to that shit.
2f461f No.14025548
>>14025525
reminder that they removed this design from cuckhead because muh niggers
game is literally cucked
633043 No.14026582
>>14025289
>What happened to having a discussion?
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. people get their feelings hurt somehow and enough people make sure to pass it on instead of shrugging it off.
ae6497 No.14026590
>>14025332
This, justt look at the monster hunter general if you dont believe that this anon is correct
a154e3 No.14026599
>>14025548
A reminder that's not the Devil, you retard.
713498 No.14026655
>>14025289
Gaming community? That shit is everywhere.
21cf24 No.14026672
Bridges were burned to the ground by the game companies, and people are overly protective of the time before the bridges were burnt to the ground.
633043 No.14026695
>>14026672
or even things that just remind them of before in a significant enough way.
a81ae6 No.14026699
>>14025289
What is dīvide et īmpera?
(((They))) know
d0342a No.14026716
>>14025317
Where have the normal people gone?
If you ARE a normal guy, you ARE going to get constantly accused of being a fanboy/shill, to the point it polarizes you.
You're not allowed to be neutral. You're not allowed to think differently. Everything is magnified up to 11 - good and bad things.
Also, so many posters here have no clue of the pitfalls and problems in game development. They point at a (buggy, but those bugs are "charming") old game and complain how modern games are shit, without taking into account the complexity of making a modern game, due to the HUGE increase in hardware and driver variety and complexity of game engines and mechanics themsevles, that causes a billion and one problems. People are ignorant and blind on so many things, but have almost religious belief about superiority of X.
>>14025473
>there is no gatekeeper to quality thought anymore.
Anymore? When was there ever one?
663f14 No.14026718
>>14025327
<Let us curate your feed with more stuff our algorithm sees you like!
This isn't a problem on sites like 8ch, but if OP is to be believed, the same conclusion is reached.
If bill whittle is correct, then this means anons carry in their baggage from places where the meme-pool is already speciated.
If discussion really is 100% or 0%, then there's no fixing it, even on sites like 8ch where you can't downvote opinions your memes can't interbreed.
d2229b No.14026724
>>14025289
>𝗋eddit spacing
9b3e69 No.14026725
>>14026716
>Also, so many posters here have no clue of the pitfalls and problems in game development. They point at a (buggy, but those bugs are "charming") old game and complain how modern games are shit, without taking into account the complexity of making a modern game, due to the HUGE increase in hardware and driver variety and complexity of game engines and mechanics themsevles, that causes a billion and one problems. People are ignorant and blind on so many things, but have almost religious belief about superiority of X.
Nigger, you are the ignorant one, most modern games are made on the same shitty ingames that have a wide range of tools that makes sure that developers dont even have to know how to code anymore, is why we have unoptimized and bugged piece of shits anymore, go back to fucking cuckchan or lurk more before you post shit you dont know crap about
3cce5a No.14026728
>>14026724
So many people on this board fell for the reddit spacing D&C. Do you really not see that it was just a way to derail threads and create infighting?
633043 No.14026732
>>14026716
>When was there ever one?
when people allow themselves to be their own gatekeeper. but people need to find some kind of satisfaction for doing so, whether its external appreciation or their own satisfaction.
e4f65c No.14026733
>>14026716
>modern engines
>complex
pick one
5af298 No.14026735
>>14026728
then
how
come
is
it
so
difficult
to
simply
not
do
this?
663f14 No.14026742
>>14026716
>Anymore? When was there ever one?
some time between the first exodus and the second/third.
I'm told there was another exodus recently
508ab8 No.14026744
>>14026716
>Also, so many posters here have no clue of the pitfalls and problems in game development.
False, it's because poster knows the problems in game development they can hold this opinions, unreal engine 4 and the AAA engines that have been used during the modern era of video games have made game devoping easier than ever, we have visual scripting to a multitude of tools and editors that any game developing in 2000 would dream of. The games are shity, they dont know how to code and we are stuck playing the same shitty games that are clone of each other in the same shitty engines.
3cce5a No.14026752
>>14026735
You can deny reality all you want, but the fact of the matter is that "reddit spacing" was a D&C tactic specifically meant to create infighting on imageboards. Extra spaces between lines has been something people have been doing since text became a medium of communication.
304a23 No.14026768
>>14026716
>Also, so many posters here have no clue of the pitfalls and problems in game development. They point at a (buggy, but those bugs are "charming") old game and complain how modern games are shit, without taking into account the complexity of making a modern game, due to the HUGE increase in hardware and driver variety and complexity of game engines and mechanics themsevles, that causes a billion and one problems.
You raise a decent point, but let me counter it. When you sit down and play a game you don't have a developer hovering around you making excuses for every single flaw. Not to mention if making vidya is a hard job, then it's up to the developers to do their fucking job because they chose it as a living. If they half ass their job then that's their fault and not their tools, otherwise we might as well give up on half decent game because "It's just too hard".
And /agdg/ exists. Modern engines aren't as remotely difficult as you make them out to be. It's up to the developer to make the best use out of it.
5af298 No.14026777
>>14026752
feelings are not an argument
d0342a No.14026794
>>14026725
>>14026733
Go code a game if you think it's that easy.
Old games were simple. You didn't have a million procesors and harware or OS combinations. The game themselves were very simple mechanically and graphically and player expectations were a LOT lower.
Back then a simple tiny image of a talking head was enough. Today that's considered lazy, and if your facial animations and in-game physics isn't flawless, you're gonna have a rabble of semi-entilted shitters calling you incompetent.
It is PRECISELY because of that that developers go for out-of-the-box solutions (faster, cheaper) like libraries and engines, but those come with a shit ton of their own problems.
Unless you have actual, first-hand knowledge from the industry, you are in no position to talk.
>>14026742
So you are talking about a Gatekeeper here on /v/, not some general gatekeeper?
Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want anyone filtering content for me according to their preferences and obsessions.
>>14026744
So why don't you make a game if it's that easy?
No, you don't KNOW. You were TOLD by someone, you read about it on some post or whatever.
Unless you actually worked on a proper game, you don't know jack shit.
d0342a No.14026799
>>14026768
I'm saying that nostalgia portrays older games as better then they were, and twisted expectations and general nihilism/"love to hate" mentality makes newer games feel even worse than they are.
It's not the games that have become THAT more shitty. Things changed. You, the tools, the enviroment.
6569dd No.14026827
>>14026752
There is key difference between proper format and reddit spacing, like putting line break after the post number you are replying to like I did here.
304a23 No.14026829
>>14026799
While I will say a lot of modern games aren't outright bad, they are disappointing to watch them flounder and fuck around with shit that shouldn't even be an issue in the current era.
Two examples off the top of my head are Turn Based Tactics and 3D platformers. It's an utter joke how there's barely a decent 3D platformer anymore, with A Hat in Time being the only one that isn't a speedrunner's haven. Then you have that cancerous piece of shit XCOM where the developers are so fucking green and thoughtless they didn't even realize how important range indicators are, or how much depth bullet simulation could add to the game, or even as something as simple as different fire modes to at the very least add some options to the game. You compare it with the original UFO defense and the number of options available to you, even completely retarded ones like hot potato make the new series a complete and utter joke. Even moreso when a bunch of unknown slavs make an insanely deep, insanely fun WW2 TBT game that has everything the new XCOM games should have had and more, and personally I think Silent Storm looks a hell of a lot better than nuCOM does.
c984b4 No.14026846
>>14026716
>>there is no gatekeeper to quality thought anymore.
>
>Anymore? When was there ever one?
Yes. There used to be a barrier to entry to play games. It didn't become what it is now until the early 00s when the internet became main stream and fast enough to download games.
The barrier to getting into PC gaming went from owning a gaming PC/building a Pc to the most common type of PC sold and tablets.
Older engines were much more complex than modern day ones as modern ones are just prepackaged and designed for the Xbone and ps4 by default.
c984b4 No.14026854
>>14026735
Reddit
Uses
3
presses
of
the
enter
button
not
2.
image board posters have always used a line to split text because it's more readable than having multiple long lines of text to read on a screen where they all fall in together. It's more comfortable on the eye.
>>14026794
How dumb are you? There were multiple processors which ran at different speeds. You literally had to program a game based on the cycles of the CPU. If you wanted it to work on multiple machines you had to understand them both perfectly or it would break the game at a fundamental level. Not Dark souls at 60 FPS broken, but running at 10,000% speed broken.
e6d560 No.14026861
>>14025289
>>14025354
>Any time you point out a flaw in a game you get attacked by fanboys.
This has been a thing since Usenet days. It was exacerbated by the internet becoming easy to use.
5af298 No.14026877
>>14026854
>reddit uses 3 presses of the enter button not 2
and yet i type this having used only 0.5 ⏎ presses
c13241 No.14026883
>>14026599
Whatever that was, it still was cut from the game.
The point stands.
cf7a3e No.14026893
>>14026877
It's a full press you fuck, you can't just call it a fucking half press
e6d560 No.14026897
>>14026854
I've noticed that people who care about spacing are the same retards who treat saging as a weapon, usually also the same retards who have to explain why they are saging. Basically, people new to imageboards or has only used them for a couple of years.
cf7a3e No.14026911
>>14026897
>couple of years
Holy shit are people that retarded? That they can't figure out what saging and most board culture/scripts within atleast 2 weeks?
5af298 No.14026925
>>14026893
that's were your wrong kiddo
713498 No.14027170
>>14026724
>muh reddit hurrrr
This shit. This shit right here is what shits up most discussions. Schizophrenic neckbeards not even reading what is written, but at shit like fucking punctuation so they can dismiss everything without even reading it and having to think. I swear these lunatics see reddit in the way someone takes a shit. They probably wake up sweating screaming reddit.
You know what.
I'm going to type in this so called "muh reddit" style from now on.
Because fuck these god damn autists.
I hope they get an aneurysm from seeing this with their fucking reddit obsession.
5d9d99 No.14027179
>>14025289
>Why has the gaming community become so impossible to hold a discussion in any more?
Because people's lives are worthless so they build their identity on corporate entities or commercial products, retarded ideas of "participation award" means nobody can be ever criticized or made to improve.
5d9d99 No.14027189
>>14027170
reported. get back to reddit.
77fef2 No.14027193
Because the games are so shit they can't sell themselves on quality anymore. Seriously, go into any discussion-forum to look up a certain game if it's good or bad you have to wade through tons of discussions calling the latest game the best ever.
77fef2 No.14027198
>>14027179
>Identity
Yes, post-modernistic trash. Where instead of identifying with your heritage and religion, you're know sucking Mark Zuckeberg's dick and think Starbucks is your god. How progressive and clever of you. All atheists are man-children.
4bc075 No.14027200
8e8cec No.14027204
Community is just a couple of letters different than communism.
9af516 No.14027208
0729a1 No.14027218
>>14027204
Actually by removing 2 letters and adding 2 different ones it's 4 letters different.
924054 No.14027221
>>14026883
It was altered to be the devil last I checked. And if you've seen the Devil you'de laugh at how inoffensive at what was cut compared to him.
34d9a2 No.14027224
>>14025289
< the gaming community
meme .gif required
5630b2 No.14027231
>>14026794
What? No. Modern games have it much easier than old games did. The old games usually ran on the metal, rather than on top of an OS heavily loaded with drivers and other such software that offer a single, unified API through which games can interact with the hardware. You used to have to specifically write rendering code that would work with every flavor of shitty video cards, that worked out its own timing per CPU cycle, sound cards, etc.
Nowadays? You just call that DX11 function to get you a drawing surface, and now your stuff will render on pretty much any video card. Call another API function for playing sounds and the OS figures it out for you. Oh, and don't forget how much devs have benefited from Plug and Play.
c037e4 No.14027238
>>14025289
Discussion and advertising are the same thing nowadays. If I could wave a magic wand that would insure that nobody would purchase a game based on anything they read in a thread, then I'd hold discussions about games.
The risk of helping the gaming industry is just too great. Until it crashes with no survivors, there can be no discussion.
721e4f No.14027268
>>14027198
Baiting or legitimately retarded?
8b0de7 No.14027395
>>14025289
Not much to discuss. They're just video games.
dd8168 No.14027405
The trophy for participation generation came in. They were raised to believe they are always right and evidence to the contrary is "trolling". They are the fall of rome for pop culture.
4cd082 No.14027516
>>14026590
Do you mean recent threads that got ruined by MHW or most mhgs that we had?
Also, is arguing a legitimate form of discussion, when discussion is legitimate and when it is not?
7c8496 No.14027540
>>14025332
The opposite is every bit as bad and they're allowed to run rampant on here.
c5fe12 No.14027552
>>14025289
Because the internet is too big. Most people aren't interested in actually having a discussion, only having their opinion heard and fellated by others. To have real discussion, you need a smal number of people that actually care about something. When everyone first came to 8chan, we had actual discussion even if people hated a game. Now we get ">implying" for 90% of the posts and any legitimate responses get drowned in responses about how traps are/aren't gay. You can see the same effect if you compare going to the major subreddits, like "gaming" compared to the subreddits specifically for just one game. Now a days you can't find small discussion boards, because no one wants to be on small sites. So now genuine discussion is completely dead.
62737f No.14027567
>>14027555
>"I can't understand how anyone can be brainwashed into believing retarded things like isis"
>"MAGA MAGA MAGA, exterminate palestine!"
e6e109 No.14027580
>>14027555
Nice trips, but I think you're oversimplifying his point. We must, as always, discount the opinions of shills - for they are false opinions but fanboys aren't nearly so bad. Shills pretending to be merely fans? They should be shit on until they drown, but fans should be welcomed (as in: Welcome to the thunderdome, prepare to be disagreed with).
>>14027567
<Hmm, this person is wrong, what do I do…
<I know! I'll make some shit up that's not even remotely implied by his image and then pretend he said it!
<Hah I am so smart!
4c583a No.14027588
Because nobody wants to put any serious effort into explaining their point of view anymore, and those that do get ignored or mocked as autists. Most of those who are left just parrot what other people who can actually articulate their thoughts and opinions are saying, and nobody cares about setting a good example to the rest of the community because "fuck 'em".
Too many faggots rely on implicit arguments like consensus, developers' political stances, reddit spacing (like this >>14027475 faggot here), and other minor nitpicks which they can use as an excuse to dismiss your post completely without having to put in a single shred of effort. It's easy, because you don't have to explain yourself at all. However, this has the side-effect of stifling discussion because all you're really constantly implying is that this thing is not worth talking about. Which begs the question why you would spend effort into getting others not to put in their effort, and why you're not better off not posting at all and saving your own time and sanity rather than posting low-quality garbage which sets a terrible example.
Not to mention that there's too many people who are too fucking hostile. Being hostile here doesn't imply calling someone else a nigger or a faggot or a bad word, but just avoiding discussion entirely in favor of trying to get a rise out of someone else by being an insufferable douchebag whose main purpose is to 'win discussions', which is as cancerous of a mindset as it gets.
Unfortunately there's not enough people here who can put up a full poker face and take the bait completely seriously, asking that the other explain himself. You have no idea how effective it is to ask someone to explain himself because of how many controversial posts don't even bother to. The shitposter gets his (You), but it is devoid of emotion and nutritional value. It asks that the shitposter puts in effort for more. It asks that the shitposter gets serious. If someone makes a shitty post, you only need to ask that they explain themselves, and then they are completely at a loss. You either take it seriously, or don't respond at all.
62737f No.14027594
>>14027580
<hey its someone replying to a dogwhistle
<i know ill imply that they're making fun of something unrelated and not the calling card the "alt-right" spams
7c8496 No.14027598
>>14027555
You're right, it should be impossible to discuss any game without the thread immediately turning into endlessly shitting on it.
2500d5 No.14027611
>>14026582
>an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
This is a legitimately stupid phrase that assumes that either no one can learn after losing their first eye or that the world only has cyclopes. Whoever made it originally didn't bother thinking for even a moment about what they said and just blurted out some retard tier shit then millions of mindless parrots thought it sounded good. Never say this idiotic phrase
62737f No.14027628
>>14027611
its a true phrase because no one does learn and it makes you blind because you keep fucking going back and forth ripping each other eyes out until blind, not until cyclops you fucking idiot
2500d5 No.14027647
>>14027628
Okay then you must be too stupid to understand what 1 for 1 means. At best an eye for an eye causes some people to lose depth perception. I'm done derailing this thread.
62737f No.14027650
>>14027647
try to learn english and what a metaphor is you stupid pajeet
a7b517 No.14027820
>>14025289
Generalized forums are the biggest reason. If you've been around the internet you'll remember a day where if you wanted to discuss a game, you had to go to a forum specifically about that game series, be it official or fan-made.
I remember posting on Metroid Fan-Mission when that website existed. Great discussion and good people. But if you post about Metroid here you're gonna get a bunch of bullshit like:
>Obligatory "[Game] was never good"
>"Lmao butthurt Nintendrones XDD"
>Amiibo autism
>Yet another fucking argument over the term "Metroidvania"
>Porn dumping
>TUUUUUUUUUUUBES
The problem with generalized forums is that you can't talk about something without the knowledge that some faggot is gonna come up and voice his opinion about why the thing you're talking about is shit.
68c549 No.14027836
>>14027603
How the hell did you come to such a conclusion? That's not at all what was being said.
c5fe12 No.14027851
>>14027647
>This is a legitimately stupid phrase that assumes that either no one can learn after losing their first eye or that the world only has cyclopes. Whoever made it originally didn't bother thinking for even a moment about what they said and just blurted out some retard tier shit then millions of mindless parrots thought it sounded good. Never say this idiotic phrase
f5ca9f No.14027923
>>14026829
>While I will say a lot of modern games aren't outright bad, they are disappointing to watch them flounder and fuck around with shit that shouldn't even be an issue in the current era.
Welcome to reality.
I work in IT, know tons of programers and have worked on a game once.
The amount of unforseen problems and mistakes that are made on EVERY level is unbelievable. Both in small companies and the biggest ones.
But bear in mind when you talk about game mechanics, there is a rarely a single, right solution. Most of the time it's just preferrences and different pros and cons. And not all people put the same value on the same variables.
NuCom is dissapointing, I won't argue with you there. But, sadly it may be exactly what the new generations prefer.
>>14026846
>Older engines were much more complex than modern day ones as modern ones are just prepackaged and designed for the Xbone and ps4 by default.
That is objectively false. Modern engines have to do a LOT more things older engines never had to and have to work on a wider range of hardware and software.
>>14026854
>spacing complaint
Tell it to someone who cares. If it triggers you that much, feel free to filter me or get out.
304a23 No.14027948
>>14027923
I'm convinced with good enough marketing anything can appeal to the new generations.
While I'm not implying only popular games are the games that exist, a problem exists in that anything that isn't the popular choice is hard to find, especially since to find these things you have to wade through a lot of garbage and uncertainties.
bb63bd No.14027951
File: 794956543af3cab⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 19.27 KB, 876x1021, 876:1021, 9f355b5b87e434413122876504….jpg)
This question has been asked time and again, and by the same people who are either hopelessly new to the internet or fresh from reddit. That said, get the fuck back to whatever containment site you came from. But before you do that, I will part the veil on this issue for you. The reason discussion is so "polarized" is because that's all you see on the surface level, the real fruitful discussions are there, but the popular opinions are usually the ones by people who don't dare or can't make up their own opinions beyond black-and-white decisions. You can have good discussions, but you need to be patient and you need to find people who you can talk to without it devolving into shit-flinging. Most of all, observe these polarized opinions and look for the strong points and weak points of each. Only then will you be able to decide for yourself.
NOW GET OUT
5af298 No.14027953
>>14027820
>namefag forums
>great discussion
<le ebin upboat/downboat system
<i have i higher star ranking then u kiddo,this means i'm rite and ur wrong
<endless mod dick sucking whenever one shows up in a thread
<ebin personalised banners and avatars with catchphrase signature selected straight from Googles™ search engine's top 3 results often misquoted for everyone so they clog half your screen (except you because your new and shit)
<please support this site because abloobloobloobloobloo and disable adblock
<every single person with any power seems to know each other and is either be a tranny,furfag,cocksucker,soyboy or all of these together and they don't mind abusing their powers in any and every way possible
<whole place is a giant circlejerk
<bring up anything disagreeing with any of them or their fuckbuddies and you're out
you can have them,i'm good right where i am
bb5731 No.14028003
>>14027588
so basically the problem is we are not autistic enough?
I think I agree
c5fe12 No.14028029
>>14027953
>hears the word "forums"
>Can only think of reddit
I used to have great discussions all the time on fan forums, even about shit that wasn't what the forum was for. Having a username isn't a bad thing when the community is smaller, under 200 people or so. Unfortunately any kind of small scale discussion is dead, as evidenced by the fact that Reddit killed it to the point that you are unaware any other options existed.
924054 No.14028261
>>14027953
You realize half of that shit wasn't available before the cancer took over and that the other half was barely an issue because normalfags hadn't yet flooded the internet right?
9a6b53 No.14028490
>>14027170
MERELY
PRETENDING
5af298 No.14028495
>>14028029
>implying the reward/punishment system and postcounts was particular only to reddit
>reddit filename
reveals more about you than me
>>14028261
nigga pls,namefag forums were the first to go because the way they were structured allowed that.You have a centralised power structure that's encouraging circlejerking whilst being rigid to any change;once you had a position as a community manager it's pretty much impossible to lose it unless you give it up willingly especially since in the majority of the cases you just happened to be buttbuddies with the rest of the moderating team,just look at how long neofag lasted that way
64b6bc No.14028510
>>14027170
Please do that, since I usually ignore posters
who
type
like that and I don't think you're ever going to say anything worth reading.
64b6bc No.14028516
>>14026728
>>14026752
Must be some pretty advanced D&C since almost everybody who is so in love with their enter button also tends to only write stupid shit.
3f3b9c No.14028549
Everything worth talking about has been talked to death.
Everything new is designed for 13 year olds who want to play mature rated games to be one of the big boys.
Most of the industry is actually manchildren who have been pretending "This is fine" for so long that they've acquired a taste for shit
A small minority of the industry is wanna-be game devs who try to analyze shit to find things that aren't there or are fucking obvious
Everyone here is fucking sick of it
3fd6c8 No.14028637
>>14027588
I'll agree with this. People have become fucking lazy when it comes to thinking and articulating their thoughts. Not to say that shitposting isn't a wonderful thing but we're far past the point where the shitposting leads to stagnation. And the flood of retards coming into imageboards from all over the internet has only made the problem worse.
a7b517 No.14028716
>>14027953
>>14028495
Then you were going to the wrong forums then. Or you're some underage faggot who never browsed pre-21st century forums
d63c5d No.14028770
>>14025327
Why is one of santa's elves talking to a gay man?
d63c5d No.14028809
>>14026718
Yep.
We're all fucked.
The end.
Welcome to the black pill.
Now kill yourself faggot
cfe619 No.14028813
Why is the quality of /v/ discussion eroding so rapidly, that we literally get 'why are gamers so toxic' threads now?
How about the deport all the refugees back to 4cucks?
a73392 No.14028819
Because only retarded manchildren play video games, people capable of engaging in logical discussion are successful and would rather debate politics over petty shit like video games
5dff97 No.14028850
>steam forums
i know >steam forums
>try to talk about the problems any game might be facing so the devs can see it and address it
>jesus christ its JUST a video game why do you care
or
>why dont you play a different game since this one CLEARLY isnt for you
or the classic
>you put 100, 50, 20, 10, 3+ hours into that game. you must clearly like the game and are only here to stir up trouble.
>inform them what worthless fucking comments these are
>im the asshole
2a5201 No.14028881
>>14028850
>point out something that doesn't make sense in a game
>"lol ur crying about realism in a game with DRAGONS and MAGIC idiot"
>mfw people don't understand keeping a fictional universe's rules consistent
d53b30 No.14028884
>>14028813
Hiroshima is doing stupid shit on cuckchan again, more refugees.
4d4b1d No.14028903
>>14028813
Hiroshima decided to install literal malware on 4cuck and if you block either Javascript or ads it makes the site unusable. At least that's what /tech/ is saying.
2a5201 No.14028937
>>14028903
Yeah, it's a bunch of dataminers, right? I heard it finds out a bunch of stuff like your operating system and what hardware you have and such.
5af298 No.14028943
>>14028903
>hiroshima installing software to stop the bad goyjins from using adblocking extensions
the absolute state of cuckchan
f5ca9f No.14028966
>>14027948
>I'm convinced with good enough marketing anything can appeal to the new generations.
Frankly, I think a lot of the new generation has a shorter attention span than we had as kids.
>While I'm not implying only popular games are the games that exist, a problem exists in that anything that isn't the popular choice is hard to find, especially since to find these things you have to wade through a lot of garbage and uncertainties.
That was always the dillema.
In ye olde days you had a smaller selection. And even then, did you REALLY hear about all the games that were made? Nah, the only difference today there's more to sift trough if you go looking.
59c9a2 No.14028975
>>14028850
Steam forums are filled with literal 10 year olds. I don't know why you would even bother.
b248c8 No.14028977
>>14028903
enable javascript for the catalog which doesn't have the bad scripts, then disable it and keep the tab open, browse threads in new tabs. Now you can browse it normally except for when you need to refresh the catalog in which case just enable js for the time you refresh and then disable it again.
d23acd No.14028985
>>14028881
>>14028850
>console game gets Steam only PC port
>port is so shit that the game no longer supports controllers
>look up fix online
>only known fix requires Steam to emulate a controller and only works in about half of all cases
>official statement from dev is "Use the Steam workaround"
>see Steam forum posts
>"This isn't a problem for anyone who bought the game. ;^)"
This is why a Steam only release is an immediate pirate for me. Its community is cancer, and it makes devs and publishers lazier than ever.
4c583a No.14028999
>>14028850
>>you put 100, 50, 20, 10, 3+ hours into that game. you must clearly like the game and are only here to stir up trouble.
To this shit I always say that I expected for the game to eventually click or get better, but that it just didn't
a9a924 No.14029003
>>14027540
What's the opposite?
d23acd No.14029011
>>14028996
Actually, I was talking about Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization. Surprise, surprise, it's also a Bamco game. I had no idea Nioh didn't have controller support on PC, but hearing it doesn't surprise me. I don't see why Bamco even bothers releasing on PC with ports that bad.
b42f01 No.14029013
>>14028985
You know you can simply get around the bullshit Steam Controller port just by turning it off for that X game right? If that's what you're talking about.
df6935 No.14029015
>>14029011
Nioh got controller support patched in later on since KT is not the best at ports.
9f19f2 No.14029026
>>14029011
Sorry, my bad, it's Koei Tecmo. In any case, japs make pretty terrible PC ports.
17eed4 No.14029032
>>14029026
nioh had controller support only, just not keyboard/mouse support because it would be useless for the game.
9f19f2 No.14029037
>>14029032
What the fuck was the game I was thinking about?
5dff97 No.14029056
>>14028999
shouldnt have to explain anything
the idea that a game can be played without being a total fanboy is an alien concept to these people.
>>14028975
i forget where i am
>>14028881
this is pretty fucking common. Someone gets a small indication of a setting or theme and applies it flatly across the entire game. Then they call everyone else stupid for seeing the bigger picture.
39e969 No.14029088
>>14026716
>normal people
>normal guy
5cfe2e No.14029092
>>14025289
>>14025289
>>14028881
Developers don't even understand.
81d9f1 No.14029125
>Any time you point out a flaw in a game you get attacked by fanboys.
>If you point out a strength in a game you get called a shill.
The latter only really happens in here as a burnout of the earlier. Seriously, go to any other site on the internet videogame discussion site, official or not, and just pointing out a big flaw in some game will end up with the same shitty smug anti-critical responses, all with the same buzzwords like entitled/manchild/whiny/impossible to please/hater/troll. I don't know if it's either because they're all shills or people are just too fucking soft these days, but the true reason why anons on here call eachothers shills and act "rude" is because they just want some freedom to do so, whereas every other place has this dumb anti-criticism hugbox shit.
And it's not like devs are innocent either, many indie devs are also egocentric shits who believe their games are indisputable 10/10s, or just fucking pussies who can't handle criticism, and when they see this, they realize they can make a turd of a game and still get away with it by summoning an army of fanboys to shut down any criticism and shove down the game on everyone's throats.
c2d874 No.14029139
>>14029092
What a fucking cunt. He wasn't trashing your game or insulting you, you entitles cunt. He was just asking a question about your fucking game.
>Hey I love your game, but one part makes no se-
<FUCK YOU HOW DARE YOU MOCK ME AND QUESTION MY GAME AND SOCIAL JUSTICE!? GO AWAY IM TRIGGERED!
2a5201 No.14029151
>>14029125
There was a guy on another site I use sometimes who was just constantly defending on-disc DLC and it made me so angry. Basically all day long he was posting some variant on
>it's not on disc dlc just because it's dlc and it's on the disc, and even if it was so what?
He was also a Dragon Age 2 fanboy, though. No accounting for taste.
5dff97 No.14029156
>>14029092
this makes me fucking angry
but not that angry because its bethesda and i expect this from people like them.
39e969 No.14029174
>>14026799
No you're just an underage newfag trying to justify their shit taste.
>hurr you can't have opinions unless you make games
>fuck the consumer
Kill yourself.
>>14027170
>spite autism
Fine and dandy I filter all these shitty posters already.
3f3b9c No.14029319
>>14026794
So let me get this straight. You're saying it was easier to write an entire game in assembly where you had to micro manage each byte because it had to fit on a cartridge, disc or floppy and even come up with a method to do the drawing on a fixed function pipeline, than it is to rehash an engine someone else already made with OOP and near-infinite space with dvd's and digital downloads.
39e969 No.14029353
>>14027650
It's a retarded metaphor, it implies that revenge is always bad. You're changing the meaning to suit your current needs.
>>14028996
I thought Nioh didn't have keyboard support, not controller.
c5fe12 No.14029356
>>14028975
I tried actually using them for two days or so before I gave up
>>14029092
>Not even a, "whoops, we missed that! Try not to think about it!"
>Straight to telling your fan to fuck off
a9a924 No.14029388
>>14029353
>it implies that revenge is always bad
It is though.
c5fe12 No.14029428
>>14028716
>Or you're some underage faggot who never browsed pre-21st century forums
I'm currently 25. Reddit "took over" when I was about 16 or so. I would recon that we only have maybe 3-4 more years of people who understand that when people say "online forums" they are specifically referring to the copy-pasted BBS boards that everyone used.
I'm getting old
I don't like it one bit
39e969 No.14029456
>>14029388
Wasted dubs. There is literally nothing wrong with giving the people who wronged you their comeuppance. You're in the wrong neighborhood buddy.
b1cdd6 No.14029473
>>14028813
>>14028884
>>14028903
I kind of wish there was some sort of site-wide thing where, when halfchan/reddit refugee crisis bullshit happens, for X days afterward anyone that hasn't been an active poster here already was barred from posting, which could hopefully drive some of the shitters elsewhere in their impatience. Of course, that assumes management like Jim (or even hotwheels of old) would care about the quality of the posterbase, and not just the bump in traffic the site might get.
9630f6 No.14029490
>>14029456
The Trudeau quote is right though
Except in a LARP session maybe
a9a924 No.14029495
>>14029456
Then you are admitting ISIS etc. is right.
c5fe12 No.14029499
>>14029490
It's correct in terms of pushing for social justice inside a country. Killing people like MLK or Ghandi only helped the causes they were fighting. However that quote means absolutely jack shit outside of that very specific context.
62737f No.14029511
>>14029499
>kill everyone in isis
>middle east has peace forever
sounds right to me!
39e969 No.14029544
>>14029495
Literally no one "wronged" ISIS, it's an
Israeli op to fuck over others as usual. Every single one of those worthless sand, cia, and mossad niggers needs to die. The world would be a better place.
>>14029490
>don't do anything about the ones killing you goy
Go to bed Justin.
9630f6 No.14029566
>>14029499
>However that quote means absolutely jack shit outside of that very specific context.
Well I just went to look up the context and…
There is no context because the quote is not real?
58db5d No.14029653
> "Why is x shit"
< "x has always been shit. You're viewpoint is just blinded by nostalgia."
d34654 No.14029656
>>14029653
>you're
>you are
>you are viewpoint
a9a924 No.14029658
>>14029656
>he's not a viewpoint
39e969 No.14029760
>>14029499
That context is bunk too. MLK had the full support of the controlled media. We can't do what he did because we don't control the media and thus can't easily manipulate the masses. Ghandi ultimately got what he wanted because the British Empire was bankrupt thanks to the 2nd World War.
>>14029653
>>14029656
>>14029658
This is why I come here.
51bfa4 No.14029777
>tfw banned from /tv/ for saying steak is better than pizza
its not games
000000 No.14030056
>>14025289
There has been a significant rise in viral marketing in recent years to deliberately curtail negative sentiment about a game because viral marketing actually works in hyping trash games. They create and enforce circlejerks promoting absolute trash because it will sell better this way. You see it a lot on 4/v/. There are less viral marketers on full/v/ (although they certainly fucking tried) because they get BTFO on a regular basis with people going out of their way to shit on them for being retards, expose them for shills, and possibly attack the game's reputation across the internet (metacritic bombing, cross-site review posting, etc.). With the influx of 4kids attempting stubbornly to lower the board's quality to 4/v/ levels, we might be seeing a return of marketing faggots on the board though.
7f856a No.14030132
Things are actually a lot more calm today than years ago. Back in the USENET days, it was normal to have flamewars too extreme for a modern chan. There were also no moderators.
What differs is today the rage doesn't come from within - you're arguing with marketers and propagandists through the child vessels they occupy. It all comes across as incredibly fake and futile as you're fighting a proxy war where no one knows what they're actually fighting over.
cb46ce No.14030197
>>14030132
I imagine the autistic rage was a lot more enjoyable when you didn't have to wonder whether it was legitimate or not. I came to the net to talk to real people, not kikes.
601ec7 No.14030278
>>14025289
Typical fan conversation:
>I like game
<I don't like game
>I like this game [for subjective and possibly unsubstantiated reasons]
<hurr if you like this game [for subjective and possibly unsubstantiated reasons] then you're a fag bitch cuck nigger beta male soyboy cocksleeve
>I disagree with your assessment of game for [even more subjective and possibly unsubstantiated reasons]
<yeah well you can go fuck yourself because the [subjective and possibly unsubstantiated reasons] that you have cited are shit for, according to my own [subjective and possibly unsubstantiated reasons]
Typical corporate board room conversation:
>The largest consensus of fans seem to hate [this specific aspect of game]
<Hey, I know! Why don't we take the fans' feedback and implement a solution to these complaints
>We could, as long as it stands to give us more money
<Agreed! Now, we will make these changes [that are built upon a combination of the subjective and possibly unsubstantiated opinions of fans and the subjective and possibly unsubstantiated opinions of the board of directors at BIGPublisher Inc.]
This is why discussion is pretty much pointless at best and potentially damaging at worst. Just play what you enjoy. Mind you, I still believe that (you) have the right to say whatever the fuck you want about Game.
39e969 No.14030626
>>14030278
Don't discuss things, just you do you bro. nu-/v/ strikes again
713498 No.14032410
>>14027555
That's exactly like the SJWs would react too.
721e4f No.14032839
>>14028819
>only retarded manchildren play video games
At least sage your bait.
87933d No.14033599
>>14029092
>just because a universe has fantasy elements it means that it can't be coherent or well built
I fucking despise this argument.
7a28c0 No.14033650
>>14033599
WoW is a shitty, uninteresting and generic tolkien universe where the "people" are gigantic with huge shoulder pads.
Yet /v/ loves it.
Wesnoth is an interesting and actually well-developed turn-based strategy game with good Tolkien universe and good lore.
Yet /v/ hates it.
/v/ has shit taste.
87933d No.14033659
>>14033650
>/v/ hates Wesnoth
Wesnoth is almost always brought up in the most positive of lights in freeware/turn based/low req vidya threads.
a9a924 No.14033674
>>14033650
>/v/ loves WoW
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you from cuckchan?
3ccd95 No.14033700
>>14025289
>Is the polarization one of the reasons we're seeing so much indie shit being so low quality? How can a wannabe dev learn what works and doesn't if any discussion is 100% or 0% are the only acceptable opinions?
This would matter if it weren't a fact that a silly amount of developers enforce this "100% or 0%" mentality by cleansing their official forums of any criticisms, forcing the people who take issues with parts of the game to flood other locations. Soon, their forum is a hug box, and places like Steam boards or even their subreddits are places to go to talk shit about the game.
I'm sure everybody here can think of an example to the above. It's common.
924054 No.14037733
>>14028495
I think you're over thinking how accepting people were on the internet back then. You're comparing shit to cancer that occurs now. But when you have a niche website full of well educated adults you're not going to get any of the same shit you just mentioned.
057610 No.14037849
>>14033674
This place has become the waiting room where 4niggers and r/gaming crossposters wait out their bans, so I'd say yes.
2add65 No.14041171
>>14026752
Calling out reddit spacing is like making fun of someone for putting something in the name field or telling someone to fuck off when they beg for easily found sauce. It's our cultural immune system responding to outsiders that cannot be bothered to learn how to fit in.
>>14026794
You have no idea how hard game development was in the past. Go read Masters of Doom or Michael Abrash's Graphics Programming Black Book. Or read Andy Gavin's blog posts about the development of Crash Bandicoot. It took an absolutely insane amount of effort to do game development back then, and nobody really knew what they were doing. Today the hard problems are solved and even if you make your own engine, there are decades of practice to learn from.
Game development is easy now if you constrain your vision to something manageable. You don't need voice acting and perfect lip sync and famous voice actors and open world and computationally expensive post processing effects. Half of Nintendo's best selling games use literal gibberish and 2 frame mouth "animations" for fuck's sake. Of course it is a lot of work, but it's an understood problem space with mature tools and techniques. You don't have to break technical ground or take on unnecessary amounts of risk any more. You don't even need to actively "optimize" very much as long as you took a sensible approach from the beginning.
Modern game development is AAA devs killing themselves trying to make the next big blockbuster that nobody will remember in 6 months, and indie retards biting off the tiniest of morsels and still failing to chew before they swallow.
>>14026854
It uses 2 actually. And reddit spacing is when you put every sentence on its own separated line like you did here >>14026846. That has never been the norm on image boards. You can write paragraphs, you can separate sentences with a single enter press, you can even put one sentence out of a paragraph in a separated line for effect, but separating every fucking line is a redditor's habit and it's fucking annoying to read as well.
59cd23 No.14041209
>>14029174
Spite marketing. That has to be the most Jewish marketing idea I've ever read.
fdd0b0 No.14041421
>>14030278
>any and all discussion has either no effect or a negative effect, it can never be positive or productive in any capacity
Why even have websites then?
ee7906 No.14041439
threadly reminder that dark souls is one of the hardest games out there
0c9c30 No.14041471
This is happening all over society. Liberals and conservatives are totally and utterly unable to compromise. Men and women are irreconcilable to one another. Children don't have friends, they have youtube vloggers. It's like everywhere you look, people have gotten more isolated and divided than ever before. People don't realize it because they are too occupied with their own individualism, but society is collapsing and its happening alarmingly fast.
59cd23 No.14041498
>>14041471
>but society is collapsing and its happening alarmingly fast.
The sad thing is we know exactly (((who))) is to blame for this. But there's nothing we can do about it.
363db8 No.14041505
When has the gaming community not been shit? Please tell me. When has the general audience not been absolutely retarded?
>>14027588
Maybe you don't belong here then?
Half of those nitpicks aren't nitpicks. A devs political is something valid to bring up as the audience should be aware of what they're supporting. Ignoring it leads to subversion and is how things led to where they are right.
Reddit spacing is valid as it is coming from a place of preservation. It has nothing to do with the argument but again is pointing out to the audience that this person seems like an outsider.
These may be implicit in the sense that they aren't directly about the work but without them you'd be lacking fundamental awareness about what is going on. Pointing out that someone is Jewish is also implicit by this definition but it is necessary to point out.
ee7906 No.14041531
>>14041505
problem with the 'reddit spacing meme' is that even on the chans, people disregard a huge ass block of wall-text if it gets too large. the reddit spacing meme has resulted in posts with horrible formatting just so they dont get heckled by the retard crowd
fdd0b0 No.14041532
>>14041498
Epic blackpill, amigo. Why don't we all just give up trying to live good, upstanding lives and wallow in materialistic misery.
363db8 No.14041538
>>14041471
Welcome to the multicultural multi ethnic society of the future. The only viewpoint that functions in these societies is individualism as there is no trust even between people that are part of the same group. The fact that you want conservatives and liberals to compromise is part and parcel to this as these two groups are basically identical in view points outside of largely minor things.
The future of America is either extreme libertarianism (unlikely) or a dissolved nation and civil war. A major war won't even change things as there is no one to go to war with.
363db8 No.14041543
>>14041531
I disregard huge wall of texts normally as well tbh. Especially if I already disagree. Like fuck I don't want to read all that shit when I can just call you a faggot you know?
fdd0b0 No.14041564
>>14041538
>these two groups are basically identical
Fact. The right was subverted hard and now both parties are just slightly different flavors of anti-white Marxists.
bf0d43 No.14041619
>>14029777
>banned from /tv/
How in the honest to god fuck did you accomplish that?
It couldn't have been because you said steak is better than pizza, nobody buys that.
What did you do?
I must know, /tv/ is literally the only board I have never been banned from and it's driving me up a wall on how I can accomplish this without outright posting child porn.
2a2349 No.14042586
>>14029490
Fun fact: that quote was made up by The Rebel; turdo never actually said it :^)