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I'm working on a Free Software TCG and was wondering if there's some sort of marketplace where artists whore themselves out at the lowest cost

>>13988265

try gamejolt and modDB

>>13988297

fix the face, it's driving me mad

the forehad is way bigger in ratio than the other stuff

>>13988340

The character has a big ol brain

but but muh page 13

I finally started working on a VN using renpy.

The old thread isn't on Page 13 yet, don't be surprised when the hotpockets delete this one.

>>13989891

I could've sworn that I had seen that inventory somewhere and was going to call you out for using unity store assets. Turns out I was remembering this. Hopefully that's a compliment.

>>13989986

don't be silly, i never managed to publish that to the asset store, unity had fairly jewish standards including such things as "price too low"

>>13989999

checked

>>13990601

Stick dick in optical drive

>>13991019

Tried already

>>13989999

>"price too low"

Quads confirm that you can't have a competitive advantage

>previous thread only page 10

What is the fucking rush with these threads lately.

>>13991576

Not only did he make a new thread on page 10, he didn't even link to the new thread in the old one.

>>13991646

And Teal is dismissing reports for this as well.

What the fuck is going on?

>>13991656

>Mods say its okay to make it early once

>Do it, not a problem

>Do it again a week later

>3h ban

>Anon makes thread early, not a problem

>>13991753

>Anon makes thread early ONCE, not a problem

Yes, and?

>>13992253

Goddamn forgot to remove this flag

>>13992470

the mesh you're using to bake the texture should be exactly at the same position as well as size/shape as the lp mesh.

>>13993203

in fact I'd say pixelshit is better than solid color because it holds more info about what you'd like something to look like than that. It carries an idea that can be reimplemented later.

>>13992544

Do you have a light source? If so, maybe it's being included in the bake. Try removing it. If everything gets black, try setting emmisive to 100% in the material settings.

>>13993318

Nope, I used the environment lightning for that, setting it to 1 and to either "White" or "Sky Color" is not giving the result that I want. If I set the material emission to 1 then nothing gets baked on it because it is 100% white now, no details are visible.

Why do so many games use Lua as a modding/scripting language? I was looking at using it in mine since it's so popular and there must be some merit to it, but the more I look into it the worse it looks. Is it just implementation simplicity? There are VMs for all these great scripting languages that you can leverage. This language is complete trash and I don't see why anyone would choose to use it.

>>13993549

is it literally ( say x -> do y ) and as the says cascade the code exponentially degrades in performance?

>>13993549

>This language is complete trash and I don't see why anyone would choose to use it.

Someone has said this about every language ever conceived. LuaJIT is fast, readable (especially for small time modders) and easy to expose your APIs to.

>>13993549

tbh if i ever release a game, i'll just give the source code out, it's a lot less work than having to implement modding tools

>>13989891

my wife asked a pivotal question: do the in-hand items disappear once you equip another in its place?

sorry about Historia, my dude

>>13993802

well yeah, where else would it go?

i just Instantiate/destroy items as they get equipped/unequipped

if you drag an axe in the slot where you have a shield equipped, the shield will replace the original slot of the axe and the axe will be equipped in the slot where the shield was

>>13993775

Tetrachrome dev used a custom marching cubes implementation for terrain and the Hammer editor with a custom importer for Unity. I think he uploaded the latter to github, but I wouldn't know how to find it aside from digging through our thread archives.

>>13993816

we fucked up. Now I see the icon reappearing in inventory

got too much used to the way it works in Diablo clones

>>13993818

He also has an importer from q3radiant and actually does some shit to import whole quake maps into unity, entities and all. I think this is before the quake maps are compiled, since he should be using unity's occlusion culling scheme.

accidentally deleted the wrong post because i forgot a link

anyways, this is what you can make with the quake editor

you can make the brush size smaller, but modelling detail in quake seems like a hassle

i think tetradev mostly got around it by using some kind of bumpmaps. i'm sure he had it posted on his tumblr or something, but i can't remember the name

>>13994247

I remember seeing some shader tech that randomly replaced the texture of the windows with eg lit rooms, and fully furnished ones

>>13993818

MC is great for this purpose but honestly tetradev's MC unit size was too large (too blocky), and he used tri-planar for texturing.

Best to use some type of projection for UVs, and get a procedural UV map you can paint in-engine for better fidelity.

Tri-planar is okay, but honestly isn't customizable enough (while not becoming a clusterfuck in the shader) for anything beyond procedural terrains.

Also on MC unit size if you do it offline I don't see why one wouldn't just use dual marching cubes (easy to implement with a reference, look at ogre frameworks dual MC source code for reference) so you can get varied unit size (voxel size, so detail where it's needed), and have fewer polys (dual Mc has a more efficient output for poly count); while making chunk transitions easier due to the nature of the dual MC spatial data structure providing easy access to the data u need for seams.

>>13993824

Oh yeah hey shodanon it's me eschabro, been busy with a new job… With 10hr work days, so haven't had time to do wiki stuff or post much.

I've been lurking but with my time schedule I've got to dedicate my free time to developing.

So unforuntely I won't have time for wiki stuff anymore is what I'm saying; keep up the good work though man.

Just didn't want to leave it unsaid tbh

>>13994884

uppercut is down

overhead punch doesn't exist for sane people

but you could do it like in street fighter

>>13994884

you don't

top of the skull has the thickest bone

TETRADEV DID NOTHING WRONG

>>13994912

Yeah but design consistency, anon.

>>13994905

I think it'd look stupid in first person. Yeah, I mean it sounds fun but it's also gotta look good both from first and third person since I'm sharing animation for them to save work during indev stage.

>>13995015

Okay, I guess I'm gonna go with the simplest solution here.

>>13993775

You could use a terrain editor, but the only decent, recent ones I found is Terragen, which isn't FOSS, and Artifex, which is FOSS, but based on the OGRE engine. The other alternative I can think of is using a level editor like Quark, or going with >>13993818.

>>13995182

The equation for converting pitch into dashspeed is f(x) = 45 - (250*x). So, dashspeed = (int)(45.0f-(250.0f*pitch));

>>13995177

I also discovered SabreCSG, which is

a FOSS level/map editor for Unity.

>>13995212

ok, well it doesn't exactly match that because you skipped 0.12 in your chain of if statements, but that looks like a mistake.

>>13995221

but can it do curved surfaces :^)

>>13994945

well maybe for the design consistency something like a small jump with hands joined and doing an overhead slam

>>13995354

i'd vote for >>13995015

>>13995182

>Knows about bit shifts, but not type casting

Also, it will check every single if statement. Even if the velocity is 0, it will still make 12 checks. The way to fix this is to change them into else if statements (a switch/case construct is usually identical to the compiler, use whichever is easier for you)

Also, never check against exact fractional values with floats. They're subject to rounding point error, and even a simple fraction can fuck up comparisons. Floating point is accurate for whole numbers only. You should try to use math to handle it organically, see >>13995212

>>13995248

As long as u use the right CSG operation with the correct shape then most defintely.

SabreCSG is pretty capable, but lacks runtime modifications.

>>13995221

SabreCSG is the best one I found too.

I have it on my todo list to extend its capabilities with my realtime terrain modification framework (dual contouring approach on the GPU).

>>13995401

Oh, that makes sense. Thank you.

>>13995212

I just gave that as an example, but I should probably explain what I'm doing.

In this engine, decimal numbers aren't actually fractions, but are contracted versions of much larger numbers. For example, in trying to get the pitch here, looking straight up (the highest pitch) is -16384, or -0.25. Looking straight down is 16384 / 0.25.

I don't know what correlation the two numbers have together. It's retarded. But I'm not a programmer, so there might actually be a very good reason behind it and I'm actually the retard.

So what I'm trying to do is have a maneuver that throws you straight ahead in a lunge (the distance being what dashspeed controls, about 50 thrust), but the lunge gets less powerful the higher up you look so people don't look straight up and leap 50 feet into the sky. So I'm trying to have pitch act as a negative modifier to the dashspeed, in that the higher you look the less powerful dashspeed is–the problem being that applying -16384 to 50 is a bit of an unwieldy calculation.

Still, I managed to modify this equation quite a bit and got it to work. So thanks very much for that.

So i think i have a few insights of designs in games which i like and hate. Stuff like, where to focus your polish on a save system. What things to avoid and what things to implement from a users prospective. Nothing ground breaking but rather common sense "You'll want to this, this and this, here is why, and here is a game that does this."

Would AGDG be interested in some anon posting a webM or MP4 in here and see if i have anything of value to say?

>>13995674

no

>>13995674

go for it

>>13995674

I'm curious, post it.

>>13995544

>In this engine, decimal numbers aren't actually fractions, but are contracted versions of much larger numbers. For example, in trying to get the pitch here, looking straight up (the highest pitch) is -16384, or -0.25. Looking straight down is 16384 / 0.25.

So it looks like it's using a signed short value, or Int16, which can vary between -32768 to +32767. For whatever reason, it's clamped half that value, or -16384 to +16384.

What you've done is instead normalized it from an integer value to a floating point unit value between 0..1 or -1..+1, which can be a good thing for checking eg percentages

>>13995674

Give it a go, anon.

The worst that could happen is people calling you a fag.

>>13996651

How much of a beginner are you? Do you know enough to know what game engine you want to use?

>>13996651

https://twitter.com/paperbugdev

>>13996651

The struggle with that sort of game is less a matter of engineering and more a matter of content. (Although if you're a one-man dev team, you may struggle with the engineering as well.)

The amount of content in many RPGs is far more than an individual developer can handle unless the engineering is notched down all the way to minimum-viable-product form.

Furthermore, whereas more action-heavy games can get by with a subpar story in favor of gameplay, a good story or higher-quality dialogue is more frequently demanded by players of RPGs, to help keep things fresh between grinding sessions.

Surely Paper Mario is not an exception to this with its charming characters and playful dialogue.

Do you think you can put together a more charming cast of characters than >>13996742 ?

All of that said, I'm not trying to kill your motivation, only to warn you of potential tall brick walls you might run into.

3D is not exactly easy, even if you use a pre-built engine such as Unity or Unreal as a crutch.

Even your "flat 2D characters" are only actually flat and 2D in the original N64 Paper Mario (and I guess in that WiiU entry as well iirc)- in TTYD, the characters are animated using an hierarchy of bones, much like a 3D character model would be animated.

So to re-create the TTYD experience, you'll need to learn some 3D rigging and animation.

I guess I'll let others recommend you software/resources.

I'm just a crazy enginedev who would tell you to go thoroughly study 3D programming and design so you actually understand what's going on.

Many people will probably recommend you use a pre-build game engine like Unity or Unreal or something rather than try to write your own from scratch.

>>13996651

I think that it would actually be rather easy to make a paper mario styled game engine than other engines, because, there are a lot of challenges that you can just ignore. There is no need for any culling method or even 3d models beyond the levels. If you can make an OpenGL teapot, you can probably make the graphics engine, as long as you don't use some kind of animation system beyond changing between sprites.

>>13996899 (checked)

I would stick to C/C++.

Actual devs are generally using C/C++ for multi-platform games.

Taking a look at how to program for the Gamecube, Wii, GBA, or NDS using devkitpro might help give you an idea of what programming for a game console is like.

(It's basically like devkitpro except the software libraries you use are more shitty)

For programming in 3D using OpenGL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-0oBXJZwQE&list=PL3wFcRXImVPOQpi-wi7uriXBkykXVUntv

For rigging in 3D using Blender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-0oBXJZwQE&list=PL3wFcRXImVPOQpi-wi7uriXBkykXVUntv

>>13996995

Whoops, for OpenGL: https://learnopengl.com

>>13996899

If you want to release this century, don't make your own engine. Download Unity, Unreal, and Godot and make a simple prototype in each, then from that decide which you want to use.

>>13997130

What is the purpose of Sigma II if you don't mind me asking? How much of a coding 1337 do you have to be to make something like this?

>>13997399

The end result is supposed to be a 3d game engine would have been "acceptable" in 2001 or something. I'm also using it as a way to teach myself a lot of new things, like Vulkan. Eventually, I want to be capable of implementing new or just interesting things into my game engines. For some people, engines are a means to an end, but to me making the engine itself is more rewarding than making a game with that engine.

To make something like this you don't need to be that good at programming, you just need to put in the time. For example, making the engine work with Vulkan wasn't "hard", it just took about four months getting the Vulkan renderer working. (as well as asking a friend who is better at graphics programming than me to look at the code a few times) So, the difficulty was putting in the time. If you want too you can look at the source code to my last engine, it's pretty bad in a lot of places and when I went into the project I couldn't even implement a linked list. It's just that I poured enough time into it to finish it with an engine that was able to achieve the goals I wanted it to achieve. I read a ton of tutorials for stuff, and there are a lot of advanced tutorials that help a lot.

>>13998749

Punches start from the waist, backhands especially so

>>13998597

15% traps? kids these days

>>13998749

Try to make the inactive hand guard the chin more as well. Also, punches are a full body motion. Any punch that only involves the arms and a bit of the shoulders will look weak. Punches start from the legs and/or the pelvis, they involve footwork, the entire body rotates at times. I'd also change the timing somewhat, to make the actual punch motion execute faster and hold the arm position after the punch a bit longer, but that's mostly preference.

>>13998772

>>13998797

Thank you. I'm going to apply this after I finish implementing the combat.

>>13994950

>Yoko taro's tetrachrome

>>13996573

mister, its been like that for months, when do you plan on finishing your game?

>>13999650

It's a game that probably less than 5 people have ever played, made by a guy who everyone thinks is insane. Basically guarantees it a spot on one of the "level X" below the iceberg slots.

>>13997485

Could you link me your sourcecode or tell me where to find it? I would like to look over it.

I played around with making level / map editors n such but mostly top down 2d Link to the Past kinda stuff.

I want to get more into 3d programming n whatnot and I learn better by seeing an example and working through it on my own.

>>13998961

>hey son, what'cha playing in here

>>14000243

https://ika.itch.io/redsky

It's labeled as "sigma engine source.zip". Just warning you that this is by no means a good example, pretty much everything I did could have been done much better.

I'm not really if such a thing as "teaching game engines" exist yet, for example do you know how MINIX is a "teaching operating system" in that it exists to teach people how to write an OS. That would be a pretty interesting thing to try and make.

Interestingly enough Sigma II is at its current state slightly over 7800 lines of code, which is larger than the Sigma I code-base.

>>14000287

Say, are you doing any degree of multithreading? It's part of the appeal of Vulkan and I'm wondering. I'm working on a Vulkan application for a project thesis myself.

>>14000456

Right now I'm splitting a "client" and "server" into two threads, but beyond that I'm not doing much. I'm inexperienced in both Vulkan and multithreading and so I'm taking baby steps with it right now. If the rendering gets especially complicated then I will look into that.

>>14001234

either attach whatever function you want called directly to the frames of the animation, or use state machine behaviours

is there any way i can bake a segment of the navmesh in unity and then stitch them together?

i've exported my terrain to a quarter of it's original polycount and it's still around 130k polys, navmesh baker seems like it's stuck with no sign of progress

>waiting literally all day for unity to bake the lighting

this is retarded

and if i don't do this, all my shadows will look pitch black

>>14004914

>not using a botnet to distribute your light baking

Does Unity not have a quick and dirty preview lightmap generator option?

>>14004936

in either case it ends up giving me errors during the light transport stage about not enough memory

>>14004936

Try using the progressive lightmapper in unity 5, is it gone in 2017? It's a lightmapper that bakes in increments and becomes clearer the more it bakes, but you can stop it anytime. Also, there are shitloads of reasons it could take forever, like wrong texel size or whatever, look at the unity tutorial on light baking with the viking village. You should also not try to bake every little shit like every stone in the scene, keep lightmaps to the bigger objects. Also, playing around with environment light will prevent your shadows from being pitch black and give your scene more color. Don't forget to use some light probes and reflection probes too.

>>14005030

Isn't _process setting the values of seconds, minutes and hours from elapsed? It looks like you need another variable to store the button click modifications and then add that to elapsed before formatting.

>>14004991

i tried the progressive one, first it was giving me errors about not enough memory, and then shit froze for about 20 minutes until i could turn off unity

only option right now is to disable terrain, lightmap it and enable the terrain. problem is that now shadows are all dark blue/purple

>>14005020

what tutorial/books are you using anon? There's not many ones for Vulcan so I want to know if there are some better than the ones I encountered so forth.

>>14005155

I've been working through https://vulkan-tutorial.com/Introduction I'm not the biggest fan of tutorials, but preparing Vulkan seemed so in depth that it made sense to have some explanation along the way.

>>14005020

Sounds about right, my Vulkan-related code is 2935 LOC. So, 37% of my engine code… In comparison my OpenGL 1.1 fallback renderer is 677 lines long.

>>14005155

I started with this and then moved to the tutorial that >>14005216 is using since mine doesn't go all the way into stuff like texture mapping.

https://vulkan.lunarg.com/doc/sdk/1.0.26.0/linux/tutorial.html

>>14006839

>DX11 on DX10 GPU

Toaster?

>>14006980

5 year old laptop that wasn't meant for video games

>>14007394

they're too fast

>>14007435

Well I thought the delay between the input and the actual punch would feel shitty.

REMINDER THAT DEMO DAY IS FEB 2

>>14007394

looks cool as fuck. I hope you're planning to make the different moves meaningful in gameplay

>>14007493

Thanks! Yeah, this is the standard control scheme for melee weapons, and melee when used with firearms. The difference being that you can't parry when armed with a firearm. Attacks will apply damage based on the body part you hit, and can be parried. Parrying is also directional, but unlike attacking you parry a certain angle around the direction. I'm planning on 180 degree angle of denial for now. – Melee attacks cost stamina, but having your attacks parried penalizes you with stamina loss further. Parrying drains stamina over time, but blocking an attack does not. It only punishes you for holding the block. If you're out of stamina, you can no longer attack until your stamina is replenished.

I really, really want to add kicking but I've yet to work it into the model. I won't add it unless I can find a proper gameplay use for it, and with the melee being complex as it is, I'm having trouble finding an excuse.

>>13995861

>>13995891

Oh, that makes sense. I think I understand it now.

I was able to streamline the formula even further now. Now it's just a simple division and subtraction. Thanks for the explanation!

>>14007394

I'm REALLY digging how you've got the different punches based on mouse movements. Or do the punches shift the camera?

Either way, that's gonna lend itself really well to some intricate fights, maybe some enemies are blocking certain areas and you have to punch where they're not blocking?

>>14007619

The punch directions are dictated by the mouse flicks during the animation. This game is multiplayer, and parrying uses a similar mechanic, though, so that's the whole schtick behind directional attacks.

>>14007928

Telltale Games would be a good place for you :^)

>>14007940

Really what you are doing is very interesting. I really like watching Youtube videos on GZDoom Builder, Unreal 4 and Renpy. Don't care about telltale games.

It would be fun to get involved somehow.

>>14007928

A sense of cinematography is good for background design and just generally making every scene look good in a screenshot. But most people work alone, or in small teams. Someone like you would be useful in either a really cinematic game, or in a bigger team.

>>14007928

My story is kind of a total mess that I just work on when I get tired of writing code, so having someone who knows about writing and story structure would be nice, provided I don't have to sacrifice gameplay for the sake of story.

Hell, if you're a good enough writer I would just say "make some story that fits with these mechanics and game-play structure" and let you do whatever the hell you want within that.

>>14007475

Let's see if I can get shit done by then.

So I have a world class that is essentially a container game objects and keeps a reference to the current grid (simple two dim array with integer values representing tiles).

Game objects are a base class basically containers for components (like physics, graphics, etc) with an x y position integer that when its update function is hit it goes through the different components and hits their update functions.

My Game Loop hits my world.update method which in turn hits my components update methods.

What is the best way to handle real time input? Right now I have it hard coded for testing but I keep hitting my head against the wall trying to abstract it.

I was thinking put it in the game loop but how do I then send it down-wards to the correct player object. I plan on having multiple players eventually, making the keys rebindable, etc.

Any suggestions?

I'll try and get relevant code put together in the morning if my summaries aren't clear enough.

>>14008793

You receive all inputs in your message pump. Just handle WM_CHAR and WM_MOUSEMOVE. Input is never lost because the queue will never "forget" the messages generated by the user until you handle them.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms646276%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms645616%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms644927%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

Also, why are you so concerned with fitting all of your code into an OOP style? It will just hinder your progress and prevent you from doing the easiest thing in cases when OOP doesn't make sense. But to answer that, the "best" thing is to have input handling functions generate messages that then are processed by a function updating the player data structure to alter its movement.

>>14008793

What I do is have xna take the raw input into its eg KeyboardState objects. I made an interface for kb, mouse, gamepad, and chatpad that all have 5 common functions, each one containing two states (prev and current ), and comparing them gives Pressed, Released, Held, WasPressed, WasReleased

That gives me basic button polling against a common interface. From there I have an enum with different gameplay actions, like moveleft or jump. I can make a dict <key, inputaction> to bind keys from any input stream to a game action

Then, i just compare the game action between its own prev and current state to see whether i keep moving or whatever. You can give this object to various players and have many inputs, or even start to develop an api for an ai from it

Does people actually buy assets from the Unity store and then try to sell the game? Every time I see ads for them, I'm just completely lost. I'm not even an artist, but the idea of putting generic assets in something I make just sounds disgusting.

>>14009308

if it's scripting, you probably won't notice it's from the store

if it's a model you can probably notice, but in some cases it's forgivable

it's one thing to use the free rocks and shit, because how unique can you possibly make rocks look? on the other hand i've seen pretty much everyone using the medieval environment pack, or recently the blacksmith assets. using those is just lazy

>>14007384

>does /v/ like Deus Ex security cameras, or Metal Gear Solid 1 cameras?

Instant detection when sneaking around in a place where no one should be, slow detection in semi-crowded places.

>>14009308

Using asset store assets gets you a publishing deal with Sony, just look at Last Soul Aside.

Did anybody make dorf fort in space yet?

>>14009316

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with using scripts of course, assuming it's free. People that are actually, unironically paying for code, are beyond fucking retarded and should be taken out back and shot in the head.

But yeah I'm mostly talking about pretty important assets like making an entire city in your game out of buildings you bought off the asset store.

>>14008761

Oh, I do plan to make a 3D tank game somewhere down the road, but first I have to get this one to playable state.

>>14009308

>>14009316

I feel this to such a painful degree that I couldn't even use the UE4 mannequin for prototyping. I couldn't "feel" my game in the generic assets if you know what I mean. And if you don't feel your work, you can't add onto it properly.

>>14010409

The leaves on that floor could be made in two ways: 1.- have some texture layering, with the yellow leaves' layer having uv's such that they appear sporadically (no way the PS1 could do this, but it's possible now), or 2.- Cut up the floor so that the grass with leaves are little squares with their own texture and the rest is repeating grass texture.

As for the cliffs, I'm not sure I understood what you were saying but I think it was something like pic related?

>>14010499

>>14010728

Well damn I guess they did.

>>14008825

I've just noticed that with a lot of my projects I start I'll usually get stuck on the nitty gritty details and never actually get to the fun stuff. I'm not dedicated to the OOP way of doing things and wouldn't mind doing better ways. I just don't know how and I've been trying to go with what I know, if that makes sense?

This project is only supposed to be a 2 to 3 week little prototype.

OOP was what I was taught in school n I use it at work. I've been getting into DOD a little but if I'm honest I've only gotten to like snake and tetris tier arcadey. I haven't gotten deep enough to have confidence in not goin with what I know.

>>14010920

Is this Air Rivals/Ace Online?

>>14010962

add an fps counter pls

>>14010409

>I find it extremely hard to believe that they would have cut up the entire level into uniformly sized polygons to do this.

>>14011080 is onto something when he said that you can get glitches when your triangles get too big. A problem they didn't have back then, but modern engines have with large tris now, is that you can't lightmap them properly.

Maybe they used decals, although I find that difficult to believe. While it would produce less triangles, it also requires you to do alpha blending between the two surfaces, which I assume would be A LOT worse on the original Playstation.

>>14011118

Forgot about decals, but I agree it'd have been crazy on PS1.

>>14010409

Take a look for yourself:

>https://www.models-resource.com/playstation/spyrothedragon/

>https://www.models-resource.com/playstation/spyro2riptosrage/

>https://www.models-resource.com/playstation/spyro3yearofthedragon/

Always look for 3d rips of games if you want to learn how they did shit.

There are also few documentations which go into a more indepth analysis of how to make levels oldschool style like:

>https://medium.com/@gordonnl/wind-waker-graphics-analysis-a0b575a31127

There is also a really nice Blender addon called Sprytile which is useful in that case:

>https://github.com/Sprytile/Sprytile

>>14011223

>Sprytile

Isn't it a bit wasteful adding a polygon for each texture tile or something?

>>14011235

Yes, but that's how they did it on Playstation because of affine texture mapping, because larger Quad/Tri meant stronger the distortions.

This shader emulates this very well if you want to know more:

https://github.com/dsoft20/psx_retroshader

If you want more modern techniques that are less wasteful on polys but in return costs more in shader computing, take a look at terrain/blend shaders combined with triplanar mapping. Basically you use colors like red blue and green to paint certain parts of the mesh with vertex colors or an additonal color texture, and then blend textures with these colors, for eample red painted parts is grass, green is rocks and blue is a dirt texture. Terrains are a pain in the ass no matter what.

>>14008207

Tell ne more.

>>14011413

>Exemple

I bet a Pajeet wrote that code.

>>14011435

Will you make me pay for my titty mods?

>>14011657

Reminds me of those 90s acrobatic shows.

>>14011888

Nicely done. It's a big step forward for you guys, looking forward to seeing what the revamped version brings.

>>14012012

For starters, we're moving to a freetard 3D engine and battle backgrounds will be actual 3D models instead of really wide scrolling textures. Since I'll be more involved in level design this time, outdoor maps will probably take more influence from Yume Nikki and indoor areas from Quake.

>>13994896

>Oh yeah hey shodanon it's me eschabro, been busy with a new job… With 10hr work days, so haven't had time to do wiki stuff or post much.

hey, hope it's financially rewarding at least.

Thanks for all the good work you did on the wiki. I kinda left it alone as well but I'll try to update the thread archives soon.

Hope you'll get to show your next project soon!

Oh, and maybe drop by the discord channel from time to time

https://discord.gg/9gKG79

I know

>discord

it's a chill channel tho and now I use my throwaway account as a promotion tool alike twitter and tumblr, so whatever

>>14012269

People who want to share playable builds of their game in whatever state it's in.

>>14012269

previous demo day thread:

>>13774137

still available cos it was stickied I think

dudes who haven't tried the demos back then can still try 'em out!

>>14012297

https://8ch.net/v/res/13774137.html

>>14007394

Alert everyone, upon further inspection mouse flicks to get the attack direction doesn't feel very good. Anyone got any alternatives?

>>14012322

I tried to make a sword game once where you can swing in directions and decided on this:

>Mouse 1 - left swing

>Mouse 2 - right swing

>Mouse Scroll up - up swing

>Mous Scroll down- down swing

>Mouse Scroll click - stab

Try it out, maybe it's fun in your case.

>>14012322

you're wrong

git gud

>>14012322

are you doing it like in Daggerfall or Die by The Sword?

>>14012354

Never played either. Mind describing them?

>>14012353

Anon, I'm just not really digging it.

>>14012335

Sounds kinda clunky for a PvP game. I gotta parry, too.

>>14012423

>Never played either.

You're trying to borrow elements from Morrowind, right? I had to run it to double-check if it didn't have the same combat system as Daggerfall. I have Morrowind installed but never actually played more than an hour, which is shameful

Apparently it didn't. So, here's the description:

You hold the attack button (right mouse button is standard) and whichever way you move the mouse, the sword will be swung.

Move your mouse to the left, perform a left swing

Move mouse up, perform a thrust

Move it from top left to bottom right, perform a broad swing across the screen in that direction

etc

You actually had to move the mouse a bit to trigger the swing, it wasn't instant. The attack speed was based on stats. There were only a few possible swings,

mouselook was turned off while performing the attack but you could still move your character

I suggest you play it yourself for a while as it could be a source of inspiration.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files

Die By the Sword had a system where the sword swing replicated your mouse movements.

>>14012599

That I-Gear. I used that piece-of-shit Fox Binder until I got enough WPs for another.

Of course, until I realized that evasion builds suck overall.

>>14012621

I'm honestly not trying to borrow from anything. I just want melee to be more involved. My UI is borrowed from 50/50 EYE and Morrowind, though.

The concept is directional attacks that can be blocked with a directional parry. Everything else is up in the air.

I am going to check out Daggerfall, thanks, although I am a bit skeptical because it's a single-player RPG and I doubt they were focusing on fluidity there. Fluidity is really my biggest concern here.

>>14012686

>I'm honestly not trying to borrow from anything

Maybe I worded it wrong. "expand upon"? "find inspiration in"? I personally find no shame in "borrowing" but that is probably obvious.

>Fluidity is really my biggest concern here

Daggerfall probably doesn't have much of that. You'll just need a few minutes with it to know if it's anything you'd like to try for youself

I'd look into DBTS as well, that is definitely more involved. I imagine a system replicating the mouse input into sword swings would be something cool and novel in first person.

Rune, Oni and Jedi Knight 2 have amazing melee but they are 3rd person.

And there's the modern style of melee combat from Kingdom Come and For Honor. Not a fan of that but my brother plays a lot of the latter and it is very fluid and involved once you get the gist of it

Also, I see in your .mp4 that you don't lock mouselook when flicking the mouse. this might be the reason you dont find it fun. With my mouse sensitivity, I'd probably make a 360 turn before the animation started.

>>14012740

Sounds interesting. I might halve the sensitivity during the hit.

>>14011080

>>14011118

I was thinking about that, but it turns out they did cut up the entire fucking level into squares about the length of spyro. Which I find extremely bizarre, especially in the first game which has large open fields that are relatively flat.

>>14011223

Oh damn, thanks anon. How did you manage to dig these up?

>>14011657

Would play / 10

>>14010802

Try figuring out how to write in a procedural style- it can help your thinking a lot since you'll know how to write code without stuffing it into an "object model".

I also learned OOP in school but I thought it was an unnatural way to program and I just dropped it whenever I wasn't forced too by a school project.

There are also more esoteric programming styles- if you download anything by Ken Silverman, you'll know what I mean.

>>14012918

Oh damn I guess that settles it. It makes me wonder if this is viable in a modern game that isn't minecraft. It just looks so fucking good compared to later games which have to stretch out one large texture.

>>14013126

You know, depending on how texture addressing is done, you can have one giant quad and have the texture coordinates loop back around, right?

>>14013132

Yeah, although I get the feeling it'll lose something. Just off the top of my head flat terrain and edges of cliffs couldn't be as wavey. They also did their shadows that day by coloring the corners of the quads.

>>14013126

>>14013148

This is easily achievable and makes a lot more sense if you look at how fixed-function hardware acceleration worked. The early versions of OpenGL work in this way and make it very easy to do this kind of thing.

>>14013164

I know it's achievable. I just don't know how hard it'd lag in comparison to just using giant tri's like 5x the size which is what most games do now.

>>14013324

Unless you are using 90s hardware, its not a concern. Besides your polycounts will probably be too low for this to matter. Most games now do a giant tri and then apply a huge amount of shaders and clutter it with a ton of models- so compared to that, what you're doing is nothing.

>>14013333 (checked)

True. Things like minecraft manage to get away with it.

>>14013336

Minecraft is pretty high poly compared to spyro's graphics. Also its dynamic world system and the slowdown from using Java stop it from reaching the peak rendering speed for the kinds of terrains it generates. If your game is using a (mostly) static world this opens you up to a huge amount of culling schemes that are much faster than what minecraft is able to do. Really you shouldn't use minecraft's performance as a baseline for how fast these graphics are.

>>14013357

Assuming blocks are static (eg no change to them, no new flowing tiles), you could easily flag chunks or groups of chunks as inactive/static and optimize them on the fly.

Also, is there a good approach to extruding a texture? Like you have an arbitrary shape, like a sword, and it generates a flat "3d" object that have "pixels". I'm pretty awful at 3d in general and topology with code

>>14013388

If blocks are static you can use a BSP-PVS engine, at such a low polycount. That's optimal for slower computers that actually would benefit from a speed increase, but on a modern game it's a bad idea. But, there are quite a lot of ideas that can be used, a lot of which are just simpler and "do the job" just fine. You don't need an overcomplicated engine for something like a PS1 game.

By "extruding a texture" do you mean having a kind of "billboard" object like the enemies in doom or the trees that are totally flat in a lot of games? Because what that is, is just two polygons with a texture applied to them, the texture has alpha blending which means that it kind of looks like a tree instead of a picture of a tree mapped to a big square.

>>14013446

No, I mean extruding as in it takes a texture, like a sword pixelart, and transforms it into a 3d object with fake pixels with depth. Not a quad/billboard

>>14013437

>Riveter, heavy piercing and can nail enemies to walls/each other

>Berserker, melee/close range weapon with an alt fire that disables gravity in a set area. Causes you to charge into said area at high speed, can be used in conjunction with bouncer to walljump

>Lancer, slow rifle with a bayonet jumping lunge that can be chained, allows for fencing with forward and backward jumps while working the bolt. Bonus damage for shooting someone impaled on bayonet, big knockback that allows for follow-up aerial shots.

Support shit?

>Tether, creates a gravity well that sucks enemies toward it while causing damage

>Quicksilver, builds up stacks for enemy projectiles/damage dodged, active depletes all stacks to fire an extra bolt that does some percentage of avoided damage to a target. Bonus stacks are earned for closer dodges (eg. if a direct hit from a rocket is 100 damage, the amount of units away your dodge is determines the stack count; you might get 75-80 stacks if you're hugging the damn thing running along its path danmaku style, but only 10-20 if it misses by a meter)

>>14013591

>>14013437

Bonus points if getting set on fire activates the riveter's burst fire, shooting superheated slags of metal with poor accuracy but extra fire dot damage.

>>14013591

I forgot to mention it's going to be multiplayer, so riveter and quicksilver are probably impossible to balance, but Tether(gravity pull) and Lancer(far and close range hybrid) are good ideas. Thanks.

>>14013756

Just have the quicksilver's speed inverse from the damage and give it a somewhat high cooldown. It would encourage either using it mid fight as a wild card or as a last ditch slow projectile if you're out of ammo. Use in melee range as a kamikaze attack.

Riveter- eh, maybe you'd have to hit unarmored parts of the enemy. Headshots or leg shots might nail them or something.

>>14015236

>pixelshit

It's disrespectful that the term has "pixel" in it. Why won't anyone call it shitxel or soylism?

>>14015278

try messing with soft/flat shading

>>14015278

I don't think those are shadows. Looks like directional ambient light not lighting things facing away from the light direction to me.

>>14015293

I am using a directional ambient light, yes. I'd like for this thing to eventually be able to cast shadows with the sun rising and setting but I don't know if I'll ever get to that.

>>14015288

Is there a way to do that in the standard shader or am I gonna have to write my own damn shader finally? Or is that "Shadow Type" (soft shadows/hard shadows) option in my directional light? Because messing with that didn't help.

Playing with stuff further makes it seem like it's just at a funny angle. I don't have time to be fucking making this shit look beautiful, gonna write Djikstra tomorrow.

>>14011114

It's running at 60. And I don't think I'll add an FPS counter, because I don't want to do font rendering. It's out of scope for my project thesis.

>>14012837

Well, a lot of computer graphics were workarounds and doing things deliberately wrong to produce the desired effect. Especially pre-PBR.

You really should use decals nowadays for that sort of stuff. Either decals or multi layered shaders in conjunction with vertex painting.

>>14015308

>>14015278

It's the normals. Like >>14015288 said, you might want to try flat shading. If the mesh is imported, it should be like one button in Blender or whatever the hell you're using. If it's procedurally generated, you have two options:

>change the normal generation algorithm to treat each triangle separately

>split your mesh up so each triangle is disconnected from the others

>>14015414

If there are only 3 characters you are looking for, I might use a compound logic statement (in C++, sorry don't know C# that well)

if( char == '1' || char == '2' || char == '3' ) break;

>>13995182

Pretty good attitude. We were all at that point once though, which unfortunately some people forget.

>>13995212

I'd do it like this too. You might also plot out the function on a 2D graph and see if it makes sense. I might even scale pitch into a 1-100 range and use a lookup table with the scaled pitch as the index into the table.

>>14015598

What's painful about this is a little bit of math goes a long way in programming. Modulo is a pretty powerful function. Good for determining even/odd status of a number: as in checking if( x % 2 != 0 )

>>14015619

I would definitely recommend a switch() in a case like that anon.

switch (char) {
  case 1: 
  case 2: 
  case 3: 
      break;
  //...
}

>>14015664

True enough, but the point of the joke is the 6 gorillion identical console writes.

>>14015619

>>14015679

It originally looked something more like this

function isbreak(char){
	var is = false;
	while (char === "1" || char === "2" || char === "3"){
		is = true;

		//move forward
		index ++;
		char = source.charAt(index);
	}
	return is;
}

But the characters I need to compare to aren't necessarily always the same ones or even the same amount of characters. It's such a simple change but the loop turned into cancer as soon as I made that change and I'm not sure how to do it better.

>>14015712

>and I'm not sure how to do it better.

I just told you how to do it better I believe.

>>14015718

Then you need to read it again. I can't hardcode the characters, they need to be in an array or something that can be modified.

>>14015712

>>14015718

Actually check that. In that isolated bit of code my suggestion was correct. Now that I look at the function a C++ string find function would be much more efficient than anything you're likely to handroll.

>>14015679

Isn't

break;

Supposed to go after every case?

>>14015721

how is that relevant. a switch would still be a) superior maintenance wise, and b) perfectly efficient vs. not.

>>14015731

Because a switch is hardcoded.

>>14015729

No, the switch will fall through until reaching a break; Now with C++17 you can be explicit about these behaviors. Otherwise it's an idiom you learn.

>>14015738

Which is exactly what you'd need if you want something hardcoded like 'is this a 1?'

Besides, looking at the simple algorithm a find <algorithm> will be better regardless, as I stated.

>>14015458

the issue is that most pixelshit comes down to using retardedly hueg pixels, significantly reducing the amount of detail that can be put into the sprite and using that limitation as a crutch. The stuff you posted doesn't do that shit.

>>14015712

If what you have is working then use it. Move it to a small function if you want and call it something reasonable.

>>14015718

No. A switch statement is not a good solution for this situation.

>>14015725

std::string is quite literally the worst performing string manipulation library written in C++.

>>14015748

I just told you that I need it not to be hard coded, I need to be able to change the characters without touching the source code, and I cannot use a switch statement if I want that to be possible.

>>14015767

>If what you have is working then use it

Of course, I could technically make any game imaginable by Just Doing It™. I just don't want to do it in a retarded way because that'll lead to disaster down the line, plus I won't learn anything if I just accept the first solution that comes to mind.

>>14015837

How often are you gonna call that code? Once every frame? If it's not something you are calling VERY often I would not worry about the way you did it.

I often get code epiphanies about how to make things better after I dropped it for some time. It's just how our brain works, go work on something else and when your synapses are formed come back and look again at the code.

>>14015414

Add a char[] parameter to the function arguments called "pattern". Then if the array is not null, check each item to see if it matches. Note that you should use a for loop, and not a foreach loop, as the regular for is going to be a bit faster, if you can work with it instead.

See: String.Split, within the C# source code

http://referencesource.microsoft.com/#mscorlib/system/string.cs

>>14015598

>>14015664

>>14015684

Isn't Console.Write mostly just used for debugging purposes only? Shouldn't you be using System.IO.File.OpenWrite for that shit?

>>14016211

Not a huge fan of the ground and grass tbh

is there any way i can get unity to run multiple lightmaps on one scene? it already takes me at least an hour to bake 1/16th of my map, it would take literal days to bake the entire thing as one. but if i bake them individually, the only way i can actually use the results of those lightmaps is if each map segment is it's own scene, which seems pointless considering that the game already runs at a decent framerate with the entire map loaded

>>14016600

can't you prefab scenes? why not bake from there?

>>14016211 (checked)

The ground and grass look nice, but the tessellation is too obvious. You have a few problems with that in the clouds too. See if you can make different tiles that have identical seams and use them to make it work.

Hey /v/ what's the easiest, even if dirtiest ways to save data from multiple profiles in Unity? If I'm getting this right PlayerPrefs are an easy way to store data but how do I locally store, say, usernames, highscores and some options of multiple players?

>>14017040

>FLIF

Interesting. I've never heard of it before, but it looks very good at compression. Is it slower/more computationally intensive to encode and decode though? I couldn't find any data about that on their site.

>>14015837

Why are you assuming your method is retarded?

If you really want to jump down the rabbit hole read the source code for the fmt library. And use it. It will be better and faster than anything you come up with.

http://fmtlib.net/latest/index.html

>>14017248

Yes, and that is the tradeoff that I wasn't aware of until I managed to compile the WIC module- when decoding an HD image in FLIF, while it was significantly smaller than a WEBP I made for comparison, it actually took twice as long to open in the Windows Picture Viewer, although this is still about one second. It's possible that this slowdown was a "software problem" since the viewer was doing progressive decoding of the image (something that FLIF's creators seem to care a lot about) and this could have been making it slower compared to just decoding the FLIF in full quality with no progressive decoding. Although, I think that it's probably just slower to decode. But, I don't have a way of verifying which reason for the slowdown is true- and this slowdown will only be felt on older systems (I am posting from a machine with a Core 2 Duo processor right now). I think that this also might be due to a lack of optimization in the current implementation of FLIF: if you look at the source code for WEBP, you can see that a lot of it is using explicit SIMD extensions to gain speed, while FLIF does not use any sort of explicit SIMD and has to rely on the compiler (which is pretty unreliable). So, I think that its fair to say that FLIF could become as optimized as WEBP or just more optimized than it is right now in the future.

>>14011657

I don't know jack shit about animating, but is there any reason why you can't just set up some kinects and mocap your animations?

/agdg/ are my friends and I'd like to share

I RELEASED SOMETHING FOR REAL

At 5 AM local time my wife gave birth to the future pope/Poland's president/heir to Shodanon's game empire (choose two). I'm really happy but now I wonder to what extent this will influence my already limited dev time.

/blogpost

>>14017507

do i look like i have a kinect?

>>14017564

your wife's son will be a better gamedev than you

>>14017564

congratulations, but kids are like puberty once you have them your whole world changes, rip your gamedev career don't worry, you will not regret it

>>14017564

Pretty sure your child will hate video games and how sexist they are.

>>14017490

https://tools.suckless.org/farbfeld/

>no stats on the compression ratio vs other formats

>nothing for windows, not even tools

If I wanted a suckless game engine I would use it, sure, but you need more info. The image format really isn't useable until I have a WIC module and basic tools for windows.

>>14017589

I plan on only decoding game content during level changes, which will have noticeable loading times anyway, so its not a huge concern if my older computers take a little bit longer to decode the compressed formats. That's a pretty cool article, thanks for sharing it. It feels good to be using the most bleeding edge image format… and if any newer, faster version are released, people can just swap the dll files out.

I have to install Linux again once December is over and port all of this windows-specific functionality to the Linux version- right now Linux is being neglected since all new features are developed "windows-first". The next Linux machine I will be using will hopefully support Vulkan, so Linux users can have Vulkan support in Sigma II.

>>14017666

I didn't even read it right, when I saw "easy to compress" I thought that it was supposed to show its compression algorithm somewhere.

>>14017564

Congratulations.

>>14017564

Congrats Shodanon. Though to be fair you released something 9 months ago, your wife patched it and did a rerelease.

>>14017709

>>14017581

>>14017625

>>14017633

>>14017697

thanks, I love you all.

>>14017581

Remember when trades were hereditary? I am a traditional kinda guy so I'll share what I know with him. My gamedev skills are what they are so he can always build upon them. I wouldn't want him to become a wageslave dev tho just like my dad never wanted me to become a farmer which I am to an extent

>>14017625

>rip your gamedev career

either that or the need to provide will make me actually finish and release a damn game. I wouldn't mind it either way, really. I always say it's a hobby.

>>14017633

I can't plan for anything. It will be his life and his decisions. disinheriting doesn't mean lack of love

>>14017666

took my camera to the hospital, didn't actually take any photos. I don't think pics of newborns is exacyly /agdg/, though

>>14017709

That was a joy to read. Thank you.

>>14017564

I'm late, congrats on getting laid tho

>>14017796

>I don't think pics of newborns is exacyly /agdg/, though

You're already blogposting, don't do things halfway.

>making save game

>realise my function pointer design is a huge pain to restore

fuuuu

>>14017564

>while you're struggling to motivate yourself at all Shodanon is releasing fully made babies

Way to show us all up you jerk. Congrats.

Rate this musical style and song? Also, does anyone have any advice for someone playing heavily with sampling?

http://picosong.com/wRYaL/

>>14017564

Congratulations on having a kid you fag.

>>14017796

>>14018624

forgot to ask the important question, buoy or grill?

>>14018686

Being fair, she had to use half of his source code.

>>14012124

hey thanks mang, and a uge congratulations to you and your wife >>14017564

IP/ID change most likely bcs was on mobile dynamic ip w/prev posts'

>Hope you'll get to show your next project soon!

I'm hoping for soon too.

I may have at least a tech demo by next demo-day for people to mess around with the OC donut steel mechanics my framework permits

>drop by the discord channel from time to time

i'll drop by mang

>>14016881

Sorry, that wasn't my game, I just saw it on Twitter. It looked like an interesting effect worth sharing

>>14020168

Normal way to implement setting saving:

>save setting bits to file called settings.whatever

Unlimited amount of profiles:

>save setting bits to file called {the user can input a name}.whatever

As for loading, you might wanna put them in a subfolder with just settings files so you can parse over all of them easier. Or use EditorUtility.OpenFilePanel to have them select the file manually.

So I'm dumb and can't find any answer to this question specifically with google. How do I get sprite animations to transition immediately in Unity 2D? I have it set to change based on what key is pressed for walking animations, but it waits until it completes a full cycle before it changes so there's almost a full second delay.

>>14021138

Uncheck "has exit time"

**forgive me for my faggotry:

just wanted to say that i'm shocked with the amount of work you have to put for a game

i'm not saying "i thought it was easy!", more like "this is overwhelming", it's a lot of disciplines mixed together, like wanting to compose a song but needing to know how to play all the instruments on a intermediate level + being the conductor

it's maddening

and even if i make anything following tutorials, my work is shit compared to people specialized

i try to keep my morale up, but this is draining me

i don't know how the fuck you people can keep up with all of this, and just wanted to say:

i'm proud of all of you for not giving up. godspeed you glorious bastards**

sage for blogposting

>>14022234

and i somehow missed the spoiler too, great

>>14022234

what can you do? we need someone who can code in the near future and people who can model in the far one

>>14022504

generate one form the complex human and delete everything that mecanim doesn't have

>>14022504

What I do is export to .fbx, in unity rotate -90 on x axis and duplicate any animations you wanna use with ctrl+d because using it out of fbx is shit and makes the events unreliable.

>>14023694

Yes. It's called "be independently wealthy enough that you don't need to charge for your game".

>>14023694

>indie games

>multiplayer

Unless this is co-op, or some well crafted streamer bait, your game is going to fail 99% of the time. Indie games are incapable of creating a community because they need to hit a critical mass, and so making your game rely on a community means that your game will die rather quickly.

>>14023763

This.

There was this great looking mech war game that was multiplayer, died within a week despite being good and actually looking nice

there's literally no winning

>>14023787

What game?

>>14023869

Hawken, possibly? That's the only one that comes to mind.

>>14022529

>>14023054

should i delete everything that is not a deformation bone?

>>14024770

>>14022504

I hope I didn't get here too late.

https://github.com/lluisgarcia/UE4-Tools/blob/master/ue_tools_v1-2-4.py

At the top of the screen there should be a bar with "file", "render", "window" and so on. To the right of "help" there is a dark grey button with white squares and rectangles on it. Click that button and in the drop-down select "scripting"

Copy paste the github script into into the script section, which should be the leftmost window. Then go into object mode and select the mesh and the armature, save your scene, then click "run script".

It bakes animations, generates a new armature that is weighted to your mesh but only contains deformation bones then selects just the mesh and the new armature. When you export check "export selected".

If you want to go back and edit the animation/rig/mesh/anything at all, open up the version you saved before you clicked "run script", or Ctrl+z back to before you ran the script. DO NOT just delete the newly generated armature and expect things to work.

It works great for UE4, but I haven't tested it for Unity. I'm thinking it should be better than just using rigify.

>>14021239

Doesn't do anything.

Are you guys gonna be doing any dev over Christmas/Christmas Eve?

I'm honestly tempted just to take a couple days off to relax, but I know that's the start of the slippery slope so I probably won't.

We're on page 13.

New bread:

>>14026248

>>14026248

>>14026248

>>14026248

>>14026248

>>14024192

and a ton of bugs