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RESIDENT EVIL 6 IS FUN AS HELL

>>13949622

>full male etc Quake or Doom 1/2 protag.

>Be a fucking badass as a MAN for kicks.

>Plot and Story just appear.

>Gameplay is God Hand meets FPS.

>>13949633

>>13949651

The most recent CGI movie involved more bioweapon related conspiracy. Umbrella and Tricell are gone forever, though.

Wesker is dead, but there's plenty of people that can carry on in his place. His sister, Alex Wesker, lives on in Natalia and his son Jake Muller is still in the game though I don't know how much involvement either will have in future projects.

>>13949665

She's a Doctor now. She'll be a playable skin in Mercenaries-like modes, but she'll never be one of the gunslingers again.

>>13949633

I mean, it has a bunch of bad aspects, such as them trying to do horror, but failing miserably, the camera flipping out quite often, and shittily made, non-responsive bosses with massive healthbars, but other than that it's enjoyable to play through once, and makes me wish they actually fully focused on the cuhrayzee action parts, like the latest movie.

>>13949705

It's bullshit that HUNK got cucked out of his game so that the Drakengard and NieR dev Cavia can finish and shit out Resident Evil Dead Aim fast.

Resident Evil 4 is the best game in the series. The rest made in that mould are kind of shit. REmake is the second best game in the series.

Am I the only one who enjoyed Zero?

>>13949823

Electric edifice.

where's the sex?

>>13949803

Four eyes was cute as heck.

>>13950083

Beware the shift of death. I pity the men of swords.

>>13950108

The first couple are fine though.

>>13950108

git gud

>>13950108

What version are you playing?

>>13950108

>muh can't walk

They're perfectly balanced for what they are. Learn to adapt to a time when everything wasn't so totally homogenised.

>>13949620

The action in the CGI movies is pretty nice

>>13949632

Sherry is the only good thing to come out of Resident Evil 6, well her thick thighs and Mercenaries Mode.

Also, just dug my ps2 out of storage, and purchased Resident Evil 3, going to play through RE3 and CV the two Resi games I never played.

>>13949620

>The best games in the series, co-op or not, are the third person ones.

Nah, you're an underage faggot. Fixed cinematic camera angle games were the best with REmake being the peak of the series.

>>13951612

And to clarify why: The old perspective games were actually survival-horror, Resident Evil 4 on were ACTION-horror. It should have been a totally different series.

>>13951620

Daily Reminder that Action Horror is just Survival Horror with good gameplay.

>don't like how tank controls feel these days, my monkey brain doesn't enjoy playing older RE anymore

>enjoyed 4, played 5 didn't hate it didn't love it

>haven't played since

were the revelations games actually good? cuz RE7 looks fucking terrible

>>13949620

>rebecca is still cute

at least capcom can't fuck that up

>>13951853

>I know literally nothing about what makes a genre

Why are actionfags so retarded? No, you know what, let's really get this shit started:

>Action horror adds in random ammo drops removing the need to conserve, this is done because without the core of action the game is unplayable unlike Survival-Horror where avoiding enemies is part of the game

>Action Horror makes combat considerably easier and less threatening by shifting the focus from auto-aim to third person shooting, this makes most enemies just a matter of reaction speed and ability to aim instead of being intimidating challenges that require expending limited resources

What you really mean to say is Action Horror is Survival Horror with all the tension based mechanics removed in favor of twitch based mechanics to satisfy ADHD morons.

>>13951876

Revelations were okay.

RE7 was decent.

You should pirate all three however especially Rev2 because its "episodic content" aka Capcom being the filthy Jews that they are.

Rev is good though, cool bosses and you get to play as Barry and Hunk.

>>13951827

>Gaiden is canon

Clearly this was retconned.

>>13951951

Every "original" RE game released before RE4 is one continuity, meanwhile every "original" RE game released beginning with RE4 (With the exception of Mercenaries and OP Racoon City'') is another continuity.

>>13949978

It wasn't exactly bad, but it did a weird thing to try to refresh the formula and kind of failed. Also, the story was a clusterfuck

>Rebecca saw in first hand everything about the Umbrella experiments

>but somehow nothing of this carries into the remake

>>13951905

>Action horror adds in random ammo drops removing the need to conserve

<Translation: I never beat the game on Professional and I'm a gigantic casual

>Action Horror shifts the focus from auto-aim to third person shooting, this makes most enemies just a matter of reaction speed and ability to aim

<Translation: Combat becomes skill-based

Seriously, get good.

>>13952203

fucking kek

The only good Resident Evil game is REmake

I heard recently that it was confirmed that the REmake 2 won't have a Leon A/Claire B and Leon B/Claire A play through.

Kind of a shame, but I can see why everything today is about the continuity and if Im not mistake the two playthroughs had different endings and one had to be made the "cannon" ending eventually.

>>13950806

Everyone always says you could bounce a quarter off Shenas ass.

>>13952434

>just because I don't like it's changes to the core game I must be bad at it

<all that matters is skill, tone and game design are just codewords for being bad at video games

Meathead actions fags everyone.

>>13952434

also:

<play the game on professional if you want to conserve ammo casual

>excusing the game being too easy on the normal mode and insisting you only got the real experience if you played on an unlockable difficulty

2hardcore4me, you are truly the only one who has ever been good at video games XxXDarkSoulsChampXxX

Why the fuck is it so hard to find good zombie rape porn? Few things provide a better fap than seeing the power of dick,unity conquer even mindless nightmarish abominations and uncaringly shred anything in the way just like the shits would rip apart any other poor fuck.

>>13952890

The endings are the same, but the journey is different.

>>13951876

the non tank controls for remake works great

>>13953026

>bawwwwww they added skill-based combat!

The only possible reason you'd make that complaint would be if you were bad at videogames. Become proficient.

>>13953050

I'd prefer if Professional was unlocked right off the bat, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you just confirmed my suspicion that you never actually played it.

Get

Fucking

Good

>>13953178

>you have to be super skilled to beat Resident Evil 4

You must be a casual to be insuating this. Resident Evil 4 is where the series began it's casualization which led to where it is now.

>because you know professional is an unlockable mode and don't judge the game by it you never played it

Honestly you acting like RE4 is "HARDCORE, ONLY THE BEST OF THE BEST CAN BEAT PROFESSIONAL!!" says a fucking lot about what a casual faggot you are.

>>13953235

>all this deflecting

Anon please, you aren't fooling anyone. I wouldn't be giving you such a hard time if you just admitted that you were bad at shooters, and didn't enjoy the transition from auto-aim+evasion to precision gunplay.

>>13953269

I'm great at shooters, I just think casual shooters where every time you hit a limb you can juggle enemies don't make for good horror games. Not everything is a matter of skill cucklord, some things are a matter of design choices. Classic Resident Evil is more challenging than Action Evil any day. You just like the game being easier on you and rewarding you for doing something as simple as aiming properly. WOW, GREAT JOB! GO SHOW YOUR MOM! YOU MANAGED TO HIT SOMETHING!

>>13953286

>f-fucking actionfag meathead cucklord casual faggot!

What kind of embarrassing "insult" will you think up next? It would be easier if you just calmed down and admitted you were bad at vidyagaems.

>>13953304

I would like you to show me your evidence of me being bad at video games, and no your personal salt at me for insulting the casual game you love isn't proof.

>>13953304

Also really nice evasion there. You dodged everything I said by focusing on how I called you a cuck, great job, really acting like a full on SJW now.

>>13953354

Quality conversation here. RE4fags everyone.

>>13953391

>git gud git gud git gud git gud git gud

>I-I s-swear I'm n-not cancer g-guys

RE4fags are the cancer that killed Resident Evil.

>>13953391

Also:

>I ignored everything of substance you said and just paid attention to the mean naughty insults

>implying you're not an SJW

>The third person over-the-shoulder action games are where the Resident Evil games should be.

third person is shit, I can hint many examples, Honestly third person should just die all together.

>>13953421

>>implying you're not an "SJW"

Just stop.

Can anyone give me a rundown of the best way to play each RE entry?

>>13955235

>RE4

Don't waste your time upgrading your shitty first hand gun save it for the Red9, don't waste your money on Magnums you can get one for free if you don't miss it and it's the second best one, you don't need any rifles or the TMP but if you want one fuck the TMP just get one of the two rifles, don't upgrade the Riot Gun too much save your money for the Striker and never upgrade the first shotgun you get. You do get one Rocket Launcher for free but you can actually buy rocket launchers so if you go full minimalist and only keep the Red9 and Striker on you then you can 1HKO every boss with the power of money once you git gud at hitting them with the Rocket Launcher.

>>13955279

No I meant the best version of each game to play.

>>13949620

>The third person over-the-shoulder action games are where the Resident Evil games should be.

>5 was too focused on Chris (the most bland character in the series by far) and 6 wasn't focused enough on ANYONE

>Character focus=good gameplay

???

>Resident Evil: Revelations 2 got it just right

>It focused on multiple characters

>saying this while criticizing 6 focusing on many characters

???

>Raid mode isn't perfect and it isn't as fun as Mercenaries mode in 6

>comparing raid mode to mercenaries

>specifically raid mode from RE:RE2

!!!

You are retarded.

RE4 and God of War 2 started the trend of QTEs in everything. Fuck both of them.

Also: RE2 was best RE.

>>13955468

>started the trend of QTEs in everything

I hate QTEs too, but that's not enough to detract from the rest of the game being fantastic.

>>13952203

My friends and I have a drunk movie night at least once a month where we watch shitty funny movies while wasted and this one is definitely top 10.

>>13953407

Wasn’t RE5 the cancer that killed Resident Evil?

Four was decent, but Roid Ragefield punching boulders in a volcano is really where the series jumped the shark.

They're having fun with the new DLCs instead of making it be just like RE6 levels of COD-stupidity.

>>13955748

Oh, Blue Umbrella is real, it was the real Chris Redfield and he's just playing BSAA-adviser to the BU, and goddamn, they're going for the realism re-design for all future RE characters.

>>13955748

This is out already?

>>13955797

Free DLC, it's out early for free, but RE7 Gold Edition will be out in 3-4 days. A friend told me about it.

>>13955812

>>13955797

Some people are already streaming it right now, you play as Joe the Swamp guy who may be ex-military who can fucking snap necks and clothesline BOWs.

>>13955820

>Joe the Swamp guy who may be ex-military who can fucking snap necks and clothesline BOWs.

lol no shit I randomly skipped ahead and he's fuckin Kenshiro over here

>>13949633

I cannot agree with this assessment.

>>13949633

>Resident Evil 6

>Fun

>Corridoor levels

>Forced co-op puzzles for the brain dead

>Bullet sponge 'bosses' that only die during a cutscene QTE

>The massive number of fucking QTEs period

How anyone can see Resident Evil 6 as remotely enjoyable is beyond me sure the combat is better but every other aspect is a dramatic step down. It's a completely joyless game to play.

>>13955812

Scratch that, the streamers are telling people they got their copies early, fucking faggots.

Fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>13956216

If Capcom didn't port RE4 a dozen times and pissed off Shinji Mikami, we wouldn't have shit like RE5 and RE6 whose only saving grace were coop and Mercenaries mode.

>>13952203

Does this qualify as gun-fu?

If so, i approve.

>>13956784

But thats worst jill though.

>>13955973

I only could beat it on easy mode

respawning enemies was a huge fucking mistake that just makes combat redundant

>>13957076

>s.t.a.r.s. jill

Best jill, followed closely by boobtube jill.

>>13956784

anyone knows why they changed her hair color?

>>13957165

Either they wanted the fact that Wesker had brainwashed Jill in his cocksleeve to be OH WOW SUCH A TWIST, or they already had a model like that laying around and thought "Eh we're just going to say he dyed her hair"

>>13957165

>anyone knows why they changed her hair color?

Because Wesker wanted an aryan waifu, he would have done the same to rebecca where her evil outfit canon.

Not An Hero

>>13964071

Oh, some retarded shit "The Connections" is the new bad guy company, just like "Neo-Umbrella" and "The Family" from RE6 which sounds retarded, that Famitsu magazine on Blue Umbrella as the the US and BSAA-approved expendable PMC company using a lot of old Umbrella assets and personnel.

5 was good, provided you had a friend to play co-op with through the whole game, though the inventory management was shit.

Revelations 1 was okay, but you can tell it was developed for a handheld and it lacked enemy variety.

Revelations 2 was better I think, but felt a bit too-much like The Last of Us.

6 was a dumb, fun third-person shooter even though it was far from scary.

7 is surprisingly-good, I don't mind the first-person perspective and it feels a lot like REmake with Nemesis-like characters you have to deal with.

>>13957079

This just made me realize how fitting a Moonman skin for Chris would be in Resident Evil 5.

It also reminded of the whole fiasco that they had to add in non-niggers into a game set in Africa because it was "Racist" to Western audiences. lmao.

>>13956784

>titlet

>bleach blond Jill

>good

WRONG.

Cowtits S.T.A.R.S Jill or go home bucko.

Is there even a failure-state in the newest one? Like, can you fuck up? It seems more like a rollercoaster-game in the vein of Outlast.

>>13955820

Holy shit this is first person Splatterhouse.

>>13955820

lmao, 5 minutes in an Joe has already proven why Ethan is the biggest cuck in all of resident evil

just casually punching the mold monsters to death

>>13968558

It's because some e-celeb likes RE6.

>>13968558

I saw only one anon in this thread who said they didn't enjoy REmake.

>>13968558

Link to the comments faggots instead of going with the

>8/v/ is (insert here)!

>>13968638

>eat shit. I always liked RE6, because I liked RE5 and RE6 is a refinement of that

We get it you have shit taste.

>the first encounter I ever had with RE was the PC 3dfx version of the original game, which I got with my original voodoo card as a pack-in game, and I fucking loathed it. (I also hated Dino Crisis desite loving dinosaurs)

So you're admitting that you've always had shit taste. Not a lot of folks will admit that.

>I got curious about some of the story and played a bit of RE4, it's alright but man I just do not care for the setting

Holy shit man, you really have shit taste. It has the best gameplay in the series. Even I, a classic series fan admit that. It just fucked up the series like Fallout 3 did but was a good game.

>I think all the love for old-style RE is mostly nostalgia; I have zero doubt that they were well-crafted games in their time but playing them now is just a chore.

Only if you you're a dipshit who can't understand how tank controls work and gets angry why he can't shoot zombies in the head.

>I feel the same way about many games that I enjoyed back in the day, like the "strike" series of helicopter games on the megadrive and the king's field games.

The Gaming Brit has outed himself.

>it looks a lot like a first-person version of RE6 without all the action

The issue with RE7 is that it's plagued by the typical flaws of shooters of the past decade, unskippable cutsences, the women are unattractive, lack of enemy variety, the plot is just FEAR mold people edition, no seriously one of the guys who worked on FEAR helped write this. The only ones they didn't do were the two weapon limit and regen health. But it also had resource management and horror, that's why I like over 5&6.

>I totally get that RE wasn't historically about combat that's definitely what 5 and 6 are about and that's what I liked about them, I really liked the combat system and the way they play – The Mercenaries is nothing BUT combat and that's a fucking blast

We get it gaming brit, you like CRAZZZZZZZZZZZY shit. The issue is RE isn't supposed to be about that, that's what DMC and Bayonetta are for man.

RE6 was brought down by useful idiots who couldn't realize their elitism was used to harm japanese gaming. All these fools thinking RE was about muh immersion, instead of your mercenaries high score.

>>13949705

Why does he look like dewritos pope?

>>13969034

>The issue is RE isn't supposed to be about that

No, the issue is that you swallowed up the bullshit from the REmake elitists aka muh immershun. Resident Evil was always about blasting zombies in the shortest timed run.

>>13969128

Check here >>13956099

>>13969162

Nigger RE2 was my first game, it was about spooks and item managment for me. Especially the shutter bit really spooked the hell out of me. Although playing back now, i've noticed that you'll only run out of hand gun ammo in the game, which can be mitigated by just using your shotgun instead.

>>13969147

>I just find them awkward and cumbersome and would rather spend my time playing a game that's a joy to play instead of fighting tedious controls

Part of the fun for me is making the game my bitch with those controls. It's one of the reason why I like RE0 even though just about RE classic fan dislikes it. You can stab the zombies in the legs and they fall in two stabs, abuse the partner mechanics since they don't trigger leech zombies spawns if they're not on camera and etc.

>I played FEAR series like they were doom and had a blast

FEAR is fun game, I was shitting on the plot 'creepy girl used as a weapon breaks out and murders everyone' that it uses.

Did 2channel banished you once they found out you were part burger?

>>13969186

My first RE game if anyone's wants to play gotcha.

>>13967738

We have people here who unironically have bought a modern day console. Eat shit faggot.

>>13969321

The movies have turned into pure cheese because the director want's to give the lead actress work. At this point they're almost entertaining on their own but are simply to boring at times. Embed related always gives me some good keks.

>>13966703

They did. Shenmue used QTEs differently, it actually tied them in to actions you would do, a kick would be the kick button, a punch the punch button, a dodge dodge and so on. God of War and RE4 started the "PUSH A RANDOM BUTTON TO ADVANCE!" bullshit which then grew popular.

>>13969321

Retarded opinion and you know it faggot, CG movies are okay, but the Anderson movies from Pedowood? where all of the movies tend to fuck each other back to back and nothing ever changes? and the reason why they scratch each movies standalone cast and was because Anderson couldn't let Russian prostitute waifu not get any work or why he keeps insisting that she be a Mary Sue and every RE character they cast gets killed.

>>13969494

fuck you geek

vendetta was trash the first two were okay though.

Leon's action packed trip to Slavlands was the best

If 6 has a more focused experience it would have been a lot better. The problem is the game is constantly changing and never really lets you just sit back and enjoy it until you play mercenaries.

Jake's campaign in particular is riddled with nonsensical instadeaths and QTE that awkwardly pop up out of nowhere and will lead you back to a checkpoint. Also, they really blue balled player 2 in Jake's campaign.

6 is an extremely flawed gem if only for the maneuverability and combat.

As someone who has spent too many hours in the game, I find RE6 to be kinda unpolished, a case of quality substituted with quantity.

My main gripes with it being:

-The cover system feels clunky and sometimes unnecessarily forces me to a cover position if I'm trying to aim near a wall.

-Camera angle changes are ass at times and can result in unnecessary damage taken or even death (like when running from the tonk in Jake/Sherry 3rd chapter).

-Enemies continue moving during the unskippable cutscenes. Atleast you can't take damage during them, but it can happen once the gameplay resumes.

-When you are constantly interrupted by unskippable cutscenes. This is prevalent during the last parts of Leon/Helena's 1st chapter for example.

-Just slightly tilting your camera while running can cause you to slide over an object or jump down a ledge (might mainly be a problem for mouse users).

I also found the health block system with the partial regeneration a bit strange, plus it would be nice to be able to pick up and combine herbs straight if you don't have space in your inventory.

The inventory itself kinda worked, but felt clunky at times if you needed to find something fast.

>>13970969

>Atleast you can't take damage during them

When I played this with my friend on higher difficulties, those cutscenes were the death of us. There were a few where we both started the cutscene at full HP, then when it gave us back control, one of us was dead on the ground. Fucking hated that shit.

>>13969514

Is that rebecca's butt?

Because that kinda looks like her alternate costume in zero.

>>13969358

Needs more slow motion. Jesus christ was that bad.

>>13971812

I always get a kek when he gets up after the shot in the chest and the music starts up again. The RE series is the series you watch with a full bottle of vodka and a cheese pizza. Good times are to be had until the 4rth movie. Then you gotta grit through the tougher bits to get to the flavor.

Never understood how standing armies would lose to zombies. Let's say you got a infected city. Everyone there is a zombie. Ok. Just quarentine the outskirts of the city and move forward. Zombies run at best jogging speed. Tanks and other military vehicles could easily run them over since they are now MRAPS. .50 Cal would tear up flesh and slow down the hoard. Infantry will pick off whatever is left. Everyone will know what a zombie is when it happens because of media. it's so popular and common. Shit since it's the USA it's not like local militas won't group up with local PD and go cleaning up.

How do you access Not a Hero on the PC version? Do I need a complete save file?

I finished the game on another PC.

>>13972697

Military takes time to respond to things. Consider how much effort it takes to transport all those people and everything they need. Mean while hundreds of thousands are infected, many of who will leave the city via mass transport to other cities and countries. Many more will just wander into the woods.

Now you have an entire nation under zombie outbreak and all your supply lines are fucked because of it. Now tell me how you plan to use your army when it has no bullets, no food and no gas.

This is without considering you're going to have to kick down every door in the city and send a SWAT team in where 1 mistake means you lose a member and potentially gain a new foe.

Zombies were never supposed to be SPOOKY BAD MONSTERS as they are now. They're supposed to be a reflection of long term survival with limited ability to gain resources. They surround you, and they wait, they just wait. Either you go insane or you starve to death. There's no future, there's no hope, there's just an eternity of cabin fever if you can some how find a way to grow food. This is why a single zombie isn't a big issue but an outbreak is. Zombies aren't supposed to fight you head on, they grind you down through siege tactics like medieval warfare used to use.

>>13973457

>This is without considering you're going to have to kick down every door in the city and send a SWAT team in where 1 mistake means you lose a member and potentially gain a new foe.

That's not remotely how quarantines are handled in real life, that kind of method is just pure fiction to raise the stakes for the audience. Realistically everyone would be forbidden to leave the quarantine zone and would simply be left to die, oh and the country and state would have strict screening of all people and goods in planes and ships.

That's assuming it even spreads like a disease, if it's supernatural voodoo people would just burn the bodies and leave it at that.

>>13974183

>some one living alone

>Gets sick

>dies to the infection

>No one notices

>apocalyptic event

>still no one notices

>zombie is in the room unless it breaks out

This is the scenario for every room in the city. every single one could be used as a hiding place and must be checked unless you want another outbreak

>>13974247

>This is the scenario for every room in the city. every single one could be used as a hiding place and must be checked unless you want another outbreak

It doesn't matter, no one leaves and no one enters everyone is simply left to die. Then the place is cleared out to the extreme, the US has done this before and they won't hesitate to burn everything to the ground if they have to.

>>13974279

You're retarded mate. You can't lock down a zombie virus as it takes time to incubate. It would be like Sars was/is. It spreads through national travel. You would need to burn every thing bigger than 5 mud huts.

I never got into the series but I always wanted to try as it seemed to me as if the games were basically cheesy action movies with horror themes in form of video game. I can see myself enjoying that, where should I start with the series? Should I play them by release date?

>>13974319

>It would be like Sars was/is. It spreads through national travel. You would need to burn every thing bigger than 5 mud huts.

So it's just a dormant side effect that'll quickly become an uncommon symptom while 80% of people carry it unknowingly but can be treated or otherwise. Yeah no Apocalypse there, just an annoying occurrence like the ghouls in the sewers of New York. Zombies get reported everything gets sealed and quarantined then everything in the quarantine is killed.

>>13974335

RE:make is considered the best in the series and is the first in the story. But it'll make everything after it a bit lack luster.

Try RE1 and if you can't take it try 2 or Remake.

>>13974354

I'm dealing with a retard who doesn't understand using an example of how a virus can spread.

>>13974367

>I'm dealing with a retard who doesn't understand using an example of how a virus can spread.

The SARS outbreak in 2003 was only 8,098 people worldwide, US quarantine had nobody die from it and it didn't actually spread effectively. US Quarantine is pretty good, Australia is also damn good because of their neighbors being China.

>Enjoyed RE7

>Looking forward to the DLC

>Start Not a hero

>Halo HUD pops up

>Eh…

>Annoying bitch starts talking to me and shit flashes on my screen blocking my view

>I sure feel alone and spooked

>Headshot fungus monster

>HIT RT TO PUNCH!

>Punch monster

>It explodes in 1 hit

>It's like they learned nothing from changing the games style, they literally went right back to RE5-6's bullshit

>Enter first key area

>10 monsters run at me

>More monsters than in the main games it's self.

Yea, no thanks Capcom. I enjoyed RE7, it was flawed but I enjoyed it. I didn't want RE's over the top bullshit and you brought it back full bore. You had a goddamn winning formula doing something different and it only took you a year to shit on it and drag it right back into the cess pit you had made RE that forced you to abandon it a second time and start fresh.

They should've just named RE4 something else tbh. It's not a bad game but was still disappointing for those who actually wanted more resident evil games instead of something completely different. After RE4 it only got worse and the series turned into a cheap Gears of Wars clone like every fucking console game of the time. Sad! Now they're trying to copy Amnesia which is nice I guess for those who liked the horror element of the series but it's still silly to keep the series alive just for the sake of brand recognition.

Daily reminder that ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

Any RE after CV is shit except for Revelations.

>>13975346

>Any RE after CV is shit except for Revelations.

Even the REmake, Outbreak, and RE0?Well there is merit to say that for RE0?And Which Revelations? The first or the second?

The first one the issue was that both chris and jill felt like they're just tacked on for you to even give a shit to even buy the game but don't bring anything to the story, infact if the italian man was the star of the game and not a side character it makes more sense. Also the game felt like the game wouldn't end right about when they enter one of the ship's lab. The second game problems's stem from the fact that it was a episodic release. The retread of the same area twice for each chapter, the game being littered with one way slopes, and feeling a bit too short. Again claire seems just tacked on, granted you could argue that barry is too, but there's at least motivation for him to be there. His daughter is like the Life is Strange bitch but she does mellow out in the DLC with the island slav, they should of done that earlier in the actual game.

>>13975553

she saw my magnum dong.

>>13975506

That's a neat analysis of the story, but I made my statement by judging the gameplay of all the games; I personally could care less about the story. The overall design of REmake was too similar to RE1 to count it as a different game, RE0 had annoying inventory management and both Outbreak and RE0 increases too much tactical advantage of the player(s) by having 2 characters engaging enemies simultaneously, reducing the 'horror' feeling of the games. I referred to the first Revelations, and even then, it suffered from the chapter-isation of the gameplay since it gives too much breathing room for the player; it induces feelings like "Oh, the chapter ended. Let's wait here for a moment and let's see if I get to control other character so I don't have to face the consequences of wasting my entire ammunition on that monster I just fought soon."

>>13975553

She read >>13970510

RE1 is an AitD ripoff with inferior puzzles, inferior weapons, inferior writing, and inferior atmosphere.

RE2 is RE1 with even worse atmosphere while still retaining the shitty controls.

RE3 is RE2's downgrades taken even further.

RE4 has better combat but the controls are still shit and the game is linear garbage with excessive action that makes the control scheme feels even more shitty.

RE5 and RE6 are just irredeemable shits.

>>13967636

>RE6

>reddit

pick one

>>13982157

You need to play RE1, REmake and code veronica, fam.

>>13949803

four eyes was cute

game was bad though

>RE6

>good

Dubs

>>13973421

yeah you need to beat the game i think…my shit was actually fucked myself had to go into steam>library>right click game>properties>DLC tab and then uncheck and recheck it for the fuckin thing to install.

wasnt as bad as every overdramatic faggot makes it out to be, but chris IS overpowered. Play it on hard mode for a better experiance.

Always made me giggle how unprepared the BSAA were against bio-terror in RE6. I can see why Chris left for Umbrella since Umbrella actually know to wear gas masks.

>>13992743

to what end?

>>13950108

play with the wii mote

>>13993437

Muh nostalgia faggotry.

>>13993437

madame president

>>13996086

how HARD must your nipples have to be in order to be visible through a SWEATER

>>13969514

Its Maria, a new character from the movie

>>13995900

Is the next game a post apocalyptic america as the result of her presidency?

>>13997566

isn't there always an apocalypse somewhere in america in the RE universe anyway? I think umbrella corps mentioned that there are so many outbreaks happening that the BSAA can't handle them all and a bunch of spooks and PMCs go in and get paid to lift shit from them or clean them up

>>13949620

RE4 is one of the best 00's games, but it sucks as horror comparing to other games of franchise. The main reason of why new games loses in atmosphere is that capcom don't care about epic music background like it was especially during ps1 era.

>the best games in the series, co-op or not, are the third person ones

I mean in terms of the combat and overall controls I guess; but in terms of the atmosphere and actually being scary, I'd have to go with the old tank control fixed camera RE games. I also really like the level design in those games, though that's just personal preference for the most part.

>>13967738

>that disgusting piglet

spoiler that gore you degenerate retard.

>The best games in the series, co-op or not, are the third person ones

Never before in the history of all /v/ have I heard an opinion as wrong as yours. The first three Resident Evils were one of the pinnacles of survival horror, surpassed only by magnae opii like the Silent Hill series.

>>14000428

Silent hill franchise is overrated. Only 2 and 3 are great games, 1 is pretty mid for sh and the rest are full of shit like AitD

>>14002678

>only 2 and 3 are great games

bruh 1 and 3 were lightyears beyond 2

>>13993437

>to what end?

the rear end mostly.

>>14005183

Because the west is filled with closet homos, i guess it is sadly a tradition inherited from the greco-romans.

>>14005525

Not even Sweden or Finland is remotely as gay as Japan.

>>13951533

Helena's ass was better

>>14011736

Helena is shit.

>>14011757

you wanna fucking die?

>>14011762

Your waifu is SHIT man, no other way about it.

>>14011899

It scared me when it first came out.

>>14011926

>It scared me when it first came out.

Just because something can scare children doesn't mean it's a horror game. Is DOOM a horror game?

>>14011899

I mean, was any horror game truly scary rather than spooky?

>>14011935

Doom never scared me though, you killed demons with lots of cool weapons while metal blasted in the background.

Homever, resident evil, silent hill, clock tower 2 and diablo did.

>>13968521

>step in the right direction

RE needs to return to its roots or be left for dead, not morph into an entirely different type of game every couple of lazily shat out sequels. Numbered sequels that have almost nothing to do with the foundation of the series.

Faggots like you are the problem. You are the reason shitty side-entries that experiment with retarded focus group imagined shitstorms have managed to masquerade as main entries. In the past, before faggots like you, that shit would have flopped and the series would move forward. Then slowly as shit taste mouthbreathing retards, like yourself, grew in numbers this beautiful system of side entries or original titles either succeeding or flopping on their own merit just fucking withered away.

I wish that any of you faggots that dislike the start of the series could explain why you have any right to an opinion on the direction of the series.

>>13969147

>>tedious controls

>push forward, no matter where you are facing, move forward

>push backward, no matter where you are facing, move backward

>push left, turn left

>push right, turn right

OMFG SO CUMBERSOME AND HARD TO UNDERSTAND! WHY CONTROLS ORIENTED TO CHARACTER INSTEAD OF WORLD!? WHY IT BE DIFFERENT!? BE SAME! ME NEED SAME CONTROLS IN EVERY GAME!

>>14014102

So what? That kind of gameplay is still it's roots. Code Veronica was the last good Resident Evil.

>>14014118

Fixed camera doesn't fit the more action-heavy gameplay RE aims for. AitD had a lot more puzzles and text than RE, that's why it was made in such perspective. RE4 and RE7 had better grasp on what kind of game RE should be, but unfortunately they're chokeful with stupid level design and scripted action unlike the old games. The problem with modern RE's truly has nothing to do with the camera perspective, the issue is within the level design and gameplay philosophy. It doesn't matter if it's fixed camera, third person camera, or first person camera if the game is designed like shit.

>>14014156

Why are AitD fags like yourself so threatened by RE?

>>14014156

>Fixed camera doesn't fit the more action-heavy gameplay RE aims for

RE is a classic survival horror, what "action heavy" you refer to? It was always about avoiding zombies and saving bullets for when you need it. And if you need an actual action game with fixed camera, PE2 exists. RE also had puzzles, as shitty as they were, particularly Code Veronica and RE3.

>RE4 and RE7 had better grasp on what kind of game RE should be

Says who? The 3 first games were made with fixed camera and the level design was pretty good as the serie went on to RE3. Kill yourself, anon.

>>14014524

I wouldn't go that far, they are both survival horror, regardless of camera perspective, the point is save bullets, don't getting into pointless fights and solving puzzles to keep going, that perfectly describe both games.

>>14016234

>I wouldn't go that far

I would, you make it sound as if Resident Evil is skimpy on the ammunition it is in fact the opposite you need to save the ammo from wasting it on Zombies to shoot the Hunters, Dogs, and bosses. Alone in the Dark opens with a puzzle to stop a fight and in fact avoiding fights via solving puzzles is one of the primary things you will be doing for a good chunk of the game and the higher tier of enemies that show up later are in fact unbeatable or so difficult that you need those 7 rifle bullets and you'll be thankful you get a sword. Overall Alone in the Dark and Resident Evil being compared to being exactly the same doesn't jive.

>>14005076

**I would totally suck last webm's dick for breakfast lunch and dinner

I have to second OP's opinion about Resident Evil working better as a third-person shooter.

While I enjoyed the early Resident Evil games, the fixed camera always baffled me as an utterly retarded design choice that utterly killed any sense of immersion and horror, was complete ass when it came to the action scenes and ultimately not well-suited to the type of game RE was even back then. Beyond "muh nostalgia" can anyone actually name a legitimate reason why fixed camera worked better for RE than third or even first-person?

Resident Evil 7 was OK but it didn't really feel enough like Resident Evil, more like F.E.A.R. or Outlast masquerading as an RE game.

>>13949620

Resident Evil 4, I think, managed to nail exactly what Resident Evil should be better than any of the other games. Goofy action games with some horrifically violent shit every now and then. Trying to make them into full-on serious horror games was always a mistake, there are games that do it better than RE ever will anyway.

As for Resident Evil 5, vid related is the best thing about the game.

there will never be another RE with tank controls

>they should make one where the first thing the MC does is amputate his own bitten leg to avoid infection

>then the devs will have an escuse for cluncky slow movements wich will add to the survival factor

>>14021123

RE7 is kinda already pseudo tank controls, it's so slow strafing left, right or moving backwards that you might as well just steer your self with the camera stick, and quick turn.

>>14021905

>changing the camera from FPS to 3PS means that he completely copied the entire AiTD game/franchise a la >>14014102

influenced by != copy, else every game after the original donkey is a carbon copy of that game

>>14021928

*Original Donkey Kong

A reminder that 6 is a good but flawed game and is infinitely better than the shitshow that is 7.

>>13951827

gay chart written by some massive faggot

>>14021977

Fuck off, Kike

>>13951827

Someone saved my post. Huh.

Guess I don't have to keep rewriting a copypasta about which games are the good ones anymore

>>13955235

It's all based on what you want.

>RE1

Original has the main game, with both campaigns.

Director's Cut has an Arrange Mode added.

Dualshock has the Arrange Mode and shit music.

Saturn has an additional Tyrant in the Chris campaign and a battle game (proto Mercs)

PC I believe has the full colour opening.

DS has a new gimmick mode and a multiplayer mode, as well as an RE4-style knife and new sprites.

PS3 version is the Dualshock version

>RE2

PS1 is the four campaigns, sans Extreme Battle Mode (either that or the Survivor modes)

N64 is same as above, but it adds in a Randomizer (basically Arranged Mode) and the EX Files, which tie it into RE3, CV and 0.

Greatest Hits (PS1) adds in the missing mode and also has an infinite ammo cheat.

The GCN version is a straight port of the Greatest Hits version

PC and Dreamcast are the same, only difference is the name of an added hard mode. Dreamcast calls it Nightmare mode, PC calls it Hard. Also, they both have remappable controls.

There is also a Sourcenext PC port, Jap only.

It's on PS3 as well, the version being used being the Director's Cut version.

>RE3

Same as above, sans the N64 version and Greatest Hits changes. No added difficulty as well.

Also, you can get a mod on PC that makes the backgrounds look better. Think it's called Environmental Backgrounds mod. Only for RE3 though.

>CODE:Veronica

The Dreamcast original release is the most different, as the original cutscenes have Wesker getting bullied by Alexia, and some cutscenes from the CVX release on everything else is taken out.

The GCN, PS2 and PS4 releases are all the same, with the PS4 version being an emulated PS2 version.

The PS3 and 360 versions are HD ports that improve the lighting somewhat, but the cutscenes look jarring in areas, due to lighting changes making them brighter in some areas.

>Gun Survivor 1

PS1 exclusive, unless you like shitty Taiwanese PC ports

>Gun Survivor 2

PS2 JP and EU exclusive. Only has 2 canon files and is a dream Claire has at the halfway point of CODE:Veronica

>Gun Survivor 4/Dead Aim

One of the best games in the series, PS2 exclusive. All Gun Survivor games can be played with the Gun attachment for PS1/2

>Outbreak 1 and 2

PS2 exclusives, and have long loading times due to originally being online. Can be played online by following the rules here: https://obsrv.org/

>REmake and 0

GCN and Wii are the original versions. HD rereleases have little differences other than 0 having DLC costumes and REmake having RE5 LiN costumes. HD versions are on PS4, PC, Xbox One, 360 and PS3

>4

GCN version lacks the Ada sidestory.

Wii has Wiimote aiming

PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, One and the Steam release are all the same.

The original Ubisoft port to PC is shit. Don't play it.

>Revelations

3DS has the least content, but is the original version.

PS3, PS4, Xbox One, 360, PC and Switch are all the same. Wii U has the extra screen

>5

PS3, 360, PS4, One and PC are all the same, only difference being resolution and FPS.

PS3 Gold Edition has move compatibility though, giving an RE4 on Wii feel.

>Revelations 2

PS3, PS4, 360, One, PC and Switch are all the same.

Vita is a downgrade, but it's portable.

>6

Same as 5, with the exception of Gold Edition.

>Umbrella and Darkside Chronicles

Physical English versions on Wii. Physical Jap versions on PS3, but there are digital English versions.

Both have motion controls compatibility.

>Operation Raccoon City

Shit game, but it's on PS3, 360 and PC.

>Mercs 3D

RE5 Mercs on 3DS.

>Gaiden

Non-canon GameBoy Color game.

>Biohazard 4D Executer, Degeneration, Damnation

The good movies

>Vendetta and the Paul Anderson films

The bad movies

>7

PS4, One and PC, PS4 is currently the only one with VR, Gold Edition is the best version.

>>14022452

>I don't like it either, but you kinda have to now, given the changes it made to the story.

What? It's shit and made shit changes to the story.

>>14020231

I didn't say they are exactly the same, I meant that Alone in the Dark wouldn't really fit an Adventure Game when it's a survival horror, always keeping you on your toes, and having to save ammunition for when you fuck up or something similar. They both follow the same philosophy even though they differ from each other in some aspect, because both of them are about the same thing: Survive with the little you're giving.

>But you have a lot of ammo in RE!

And you're going to need it to survive hunters, dogs and bosses, and the amount of dangerous enemies increased as the series went on.

>>14020683

>RE is inferior in every way but graphics

Just because AitD came first doesn't make it better than RE, faggot. How is RE inferior to AitD?

>Compare it to AitD where you can skipping combat by doing things, not running past them

>Though combat still exists, most of them could be skipped.

But in many case you also need to run past danger first in order to deactivate it or get items you may need, like the Ghost that is in the chair that turns in some weird tornado. You can skip combat in RE in many instances too, even though it forces more combat that AitD. I'm completely sure the reason AitD was designed that way was for system limitations more than anything.

>The design philosophy is flawed.

Says who? Faggot.

>you unlock bonuses for completing the game under a time limit.

That's a shitty recurring theme in Survival Horrors for some reason, it happened in Silent Hill and Parasite Eve. Pretty sure it's to encourage speedruns, but it's still shitty.

>>14022563

>>RE4

>PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, One and the Steam release are all the same.

Not exactly

PS2 has prerendered cutscenes only

PS2, PS3 and x360 have missing effects and reduced audio quality I couldn't get a definitive answer on that one but apparently the reduced audio quality is still present in the first gen HD ports

PS4, Xbone have almost everything the new PC version has but the framerate isn't consistent and I think you're stuck with 60fps limiter correct me if I'm wrong on that one and they might miss a few effects the new PC version had put back in from the GCN version.

>>14021677

>Latest RE's are lame because they're heavily scripted

Yes

>almost linear trash

Sure

>not because they're fps/tps anyway

WRONG

>>14022580

Those shit changes are canon.

And while it's subpar for an RE game (most things made after 0 are subpart except Lost in Nightmares and REv2), it's good for an FPS horror game. Mainline REs are usually top tier for the genre they're in, even the ones people say are shit

Resident Evil 2 is actually incredibly easy.

I forgot how much more you have to kill enemies in it and how much more ammo they give you.

Its definitely more combat oriented than 1. REmake truly is the superior version of Resident Evil.

Going to play through 3 soon. Considering going for the Gatling Gun just to dick around a bit.

Only died like twice going through strictly on memory. Birkin's third form did some Street Fighter combo on me and killed me in one shot.

Also REmake 2 fucking whennnnn, stop shilling RE7 and make the game we all WANT to play.

>>14024340

They give you a lot of ammo in 3 as well, you just gotta check the cgi corpses. As soon you get the eagle hand gun the game is on easy street due to it's rate of fire and random crits. If you don't fight nemesis but do the right choices you can get the hand gun in the clock tower. (meeting carlos choice, and clock tower choice) Or if you do fight him you can get as early as the police station.

>>14024052

>Purge action games casuals

>Go back to it's actual roots

>Tense environment due to not being able to see ahead

>Tank controls

>>14032133

>but the game doesn't punish you for it and expects you to use it.

t. casual retard

>>14013888

It's really the camera that fucks people over, I remember when RE4 came out people were saying RE4 fixed the clunky controls that plauged when all that changed did was having the camera behind your shoulder and free aim.

>>13949620

>CG movies

Oh god, those things are so good when it comes to action.

>>13949622

Sadly even the cute NPCs are looking to be killed off where RE7 is taking the series.

chris is shit

leon is emo

rebecca is cute

>>13949803

my nigga, I always thought it was a fun game, beeing from umbrellas perspective and playing the bad guys for once. I still don't understand why Hunk does not have his own game yet.

>>14044934

is there truly any RE girl that isn't cute?

>>14046398

before or after being part of natalia?

>>14051014

>claire

>worst girl

That's Ada and Rebecca. Claire had a clear character and story arc that ended,those two lack both of those.

>>14033689

The same people who complained about tank controls are the same people who played REmake and RE0 remaster widescreen. By Code Veronica and Outbreak the camera was fixed but mobile, the same for Haunting Ground. That's where the camera angles were heading until they moved it over the shoulder.

>>14046329

All the new ones in RE6. Especially that one woman who looks like the square-jawed lady from SVU.

>>14051070

>She's also the only character I can think of in the series whose design has been consistently improving as the years go by.

She looks like Toby Maguire in Revelations 2

>>14051713

I think the point is new Claire is fucking ugly.

>>13949705

Please, why would anybody have any reason not to accept the premise that Chris Redfield is working for Umbrella, Inc. at face value? I am personally invested in my own theory that Chris is evil now and is working as Wesker's right hand man on his private island facility (the Wesker fought in RE5 was just a clone) and Ethan's ex-wife and Lucas Baker are also among his creme de la creme entourage while Jill Valentine and the protags of RE2 are imprisoned and have undergone radical genetic modifications to become even more advanced super soldiers than Jill was in RE5. It's all explained here: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12593027/1/Resident-Evil-7-Biohazard-2-Resident-Evil-8-Superhazard

>>14051845

You might have inferred that, but it isn't what he said. Of course, you're entitled to shit opinions, but most anons agree that Claire is best as a dyke who corrupts underage girls.

>>14051887

That is dumb even for a Resident Evil story

>>14051475

Whodathunkit; only thing Tobey needed to not look like a candy ass was facial hair!

>RE4

>brown and bloom

>press <random button combination> in 1 nanosecond or you're dead lol

>having to babysit ashley while she keeps getting in the way during combat tell her to wait and she gets kidnapped

>buying all your weaponry from a (((merchant))) in the middle of fuck-all instead of discovering weapons through exploration

>PC version still thinks it's playing on a gamecube and you have to jump through hoops to make it display keyboard keys

It was an "okay" game at best but a "masterpiece" is a severe overstatement.

>>14052704

>>having to babysit ashley while she keeps getting in the way during combat tell her to wait and she gets kidnapped

Reminder that if you put her in the trash container where she belongs you never have any issue with her getting kidnapped or in the way.

>>13951620

RE4 was survival horror too nigger, barring the lower number of puzzles how is it any different from its predecessors in terms of mechanics?

>>13951853

>survival horror

>you don't have many weapons if it all, and must tread carefully and choose your opponents or else you'll die, try not to shit yourself

>action horror

>see those spooky monsters? they won't be so spooky once you SHOOT EM RIGHT UP WITH SHITLOADS OF GUNS AND AMMO LOLOLOLOL

>>14052077

It's not dumb. if anything, it makes Resident Evil more nuanced because even though the new virus Wesker would have infected Jill with would have given her incredible superhuman abilities like the ability to speed-read thousands of pages of books in under two hours, the trauma she would have endured from being kidnapped by Chris Redfield and held against her will and subsequently being experimented on would have damaged her psychological well-being and it would have turned out that the Merchant in RE4 was actually Wesker in disguise and he was providing fabulous amounts of firepower to Leon so that he could unwittingly allow him to get the Plaga sample for him and this puts the events of RE4 into a brand new perspective and Wesker could have also spent R&D time not only on BOW's but also on Biological Organic Transports that would be genetically engineered to be as big as a hummers but also cybernetically engineered to have GPS navigation systems, car seats, steering wheels, and DVD players to make it a viable replacement for the car.**

>>14052752

you just answered your own question with your action horror definition

>>13969186

>which can be mitigated by just using your shotgun instead

Funny, the first time I played RE2 I never got the shotgun from the gun shop owner at the beginning of the game. Because I had played Silent Hill beforehand and still had the idea that shotguns can only be acquired later into the game as an "upgrade" from the hand gun, to match enemies of increased difficulty…

Nonetheless, having no shotgun definitely made the game more challenging to me.

>>14052803

RE4 didn't have shitloads of ammo for you to blast away at every single enemy, you definitely ran at times. Unless of course you're playing on easy L4D difficulty.

>>14052855

I dunno man, it had plenty of ammo, and so did most of the REs in fact

except for RE1 on arrange mode, there wasn't enough ammo for that, that shit was hard

>>14052848

missing the first shotgun is understandable, but missing the second one? I think it's either in the STARS locker or the room with the valve, either way, that's p bad

>>14021123

That's actually pretty clever, I wish there was a game like that…

>>14052897

>the second one

>the second one

>the second one

?????????????????????

you're playing on easy difficulty aren't you

>>14053256

>did you seriously not know this?

No, I didn't read any guides whatsoever and just depended on finding everything through exploration, sad to know that I didn't explore enough.

>re4 had more than enough ammo to blast away at every single enemy

I recall multiple times I ran out of ammo (spanning all guns, not just the one you start with) and considering I was very selective about who to shoot at. Sometimes I even found myself stuck and reverted to an earlier save where I can avoid more enemies and save more ammo.

>>14053402

my man, let this be a lesson

gain an incredibly autistic sense of exploration and discovery because there are tons of hidden items in RE1, 2, and 3

did you at least get the submachine gun/item belts?

but I suppose it's ok, I never knew the spark shot existed because of where it was placed and how awkward it was to pick it up until like last year

>>14053402

>No, I didn't read any guides whatsoever and just depended on finding everything through exploration, sad to know that I didn't explore enough.

Don't feel bad, it could be worse it could be clicking a single desk like 15+ times just for a single hidden memo and under no circumstances does the text change when you click it.

>>14053402

>I recall multiple times I ran out of ammo

It's extremely hard to completely run out of ammo if you're actually playing smart.

>>14054165

>did you at least get the submachine gun/item belts?

I got the belt and left the gun for Claire

Also I assume by "spark shot" you mean the emergency flare thing that you light up with your lighter?

>>14054327

>if you're actually playing smart

So going through every area looking for visible ammo and only shooting to kill (minimum number of bullets to kill an enemy are fired and they all hit)? Because that's exactly what I've been doing and it didn't always work.

>>14054473

The trick is to ignore the zombies as much as possible, they're small fry.

>>14054473

in the same spot you find shotgun parts as leon, you find an entirely new gun that does a shitload of damage to enemies as claire

I also never got into that room that required 2 signatures despite doing everything right there

>>14054473

>So going through every area looking for visible ammo

Taking advantage of piercing / AoE, herding the fuckers ain't too bad in some places, also flashbangs killing plagas zombies outright except one.

Environmental damage also..

Keeping in mind that upgrading ammo capacity gives you a fresh mag for free, especially with the fucking rifle

Not falling for the "muh mine launcher polluting the ammo drop pool" meme

Just buy a fucking RL for El Gigante / Verdugo

Raw damage per bullet > Everything else

>>14054505

Nah kill all the fuckers.

>>14054532

They're talking about Resident Evil 2, Most Zombies don't need to be killed and should be avoided.

>>14054574

Wasn't anythiung in >>14054473 to warrant >>14054505 unless you thought the second part referred to RE2 which isn't the case because

>>14053402

has

>>re4 had more than enough ammo to blast away at every single enemy

>>14054611

Oh they're talking about both.

>>13969386

I particularly hate QTE's where you have to mash a button. It's enough of a pain in the ass for a normal person to do it but, for somebody that's incapable of doing that because of a physical handicap: it renders a game unbeatable.

>>14055000 (checked)

>because of a physical handicap

Elaborate. How do you even play vidya at all? if you don't mind me asking

>>14055119

There are some people who have some kind of nerve disorder that disallows them from mashing buttons like you would be expected to in QTE's but they can do just about anything else with a controller just fine.