90f5fa No.13883650
Some of my most favorite games are roguelikes, but i never got deeper into the genre. What roguelikes you like to play anons?
d803a0 No.13883664
Nethack. I prefer it to Angband. This is heresy in some circles but I prefer the straight dungeon delve of Nethack to starting off in a town and shit in Angband.
ToME is good too, but it's more casual and flashy. Great for when you want an easy game.
9c6341 No.13883669
I love binding of isaac.
Dead Cells is cool too, but it's in early access.
824b7d No.13883691
Tales of Maj'Eyal (ToME) is a pretty good one, not that much depth in some mechanics but with really good skill trees for different races and classes. It lets you explore a big world and the start of your character changes a little depending on your race or class
There is Doom RL, the Doom roguelike. Not much to say about that one, Doom as a roguelike
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup (DCSS) is pretty popular.
Elona+ is my personal favourite, its a sort of open world japanese roguelike that lets you get married, buy a ranch, grow crops, fish, food, build a party by taming monsters, hiring people or just buying slaves, and more things.
All of the above games have tilesets, and of course free (ToME has a paid version on steam but you can get it free on its website https://te4.org the paid steam version is basically a premium account for supporting the devs with an item bank to share items across different characters but you dont NEED that to enjoy the game).
Dungeons of Dredmor is a very casual, entry level roguelike on sale on steam Its not a BAD game but very, very entry level so it lacks depth.
4a6093 No.13883703
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
It gets a lot of shit in these threads but I still enjoy it.
824b7d No.13883713
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead USED to be a good game. It was a zombie game, ascii but i believe it had tilesets you could use. It was fun but it lacked an end goal beyond "survive for as long as you can" and i remember later updates were getting a lot of shit aroud here because they had a lot of bloat and useless items. I havent kept up with it so i dont really know its current state, only that it was good and then it started getting a lot of shit.
824b7d No.13883729
OH also of course, cant forget to mention Brogue https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/home
Not much to say about it, its as straightforward as it gets. Its uses ascii and colors well so if you want to get used to seeing ascii instead of sprites, Brogue will be perfect for you.
517f6f No.13883743
>>13883691
>Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup (DCSS) is pretty popular.
I heard authors have a nerve to remove some features from it, no?
698cb2 No.13883744
>>13883743
Download earlier versions, done
824b7d No.13883750
>>13883743
Personally i never really liked DCSS, kindof bland and generic IMO. But i always see a lot of people talking about it. Dont know anything about its updates tho.
Oh also, Dwarf Fortress has an adventure mode which is basically a roguelike mode where you control 1 character. I have never played DF so i dont know anything about it but it seemed cool
a1c7c5 No.13883772
>>13883691
ToME4 is good and all, but I think I still preferred it when it was still called Troubles in Middle Earth. It was the most souped up Angband variant I can think of with all the races you could think about, a skill based progression system, overworld with static and random dungeons, towns, etc. I spent months playing that.
>>13883713
Last time I played was in summer I think, but from a glance at the github, they've been on 0.C for two years and a half now. They STILL don't have fully featured Z-levels, nothing outside the level you are on right now (and only in a radius of 100 squares or so) exists as far as the game is concerned, you can go to the second floor of a burning building about to collapse and it won't collapse until you come back down. This is something Toady figured out lime more than half a decade ago, and he didn't need a kikestarter for it.
824b7d No.13883797
Forgot to mention, Crypt of the Necrodancer (roguelike rythm game) and Rogue Survivor (also a zombie roguelike, simple but fun)
>>13883772
Damn shame
bcc58f No.13883810
I like dungeon crawl stone soup. Though I'm admittedly a casual so take that with a grain of salt. The Pokemon mystery dungeon games are fun and I don't see that much hate for them out side of the newer ones.
90f5fa No.13883967
>>13883691
>Elona+
Shit, i didn't knew it was translated into english. Is it hard to get into?
824b7d No.13883996
>>13883967
Not really. Also Elona+ has always been translated, worst case scenario there may be a 5% of post end game lines missing translations or the super new just added adventurer school dialogues, but everything else is translated.
Its not really hard, just something that takes time because there are so many things you can do and trying to decide what you WANT to do. I have been playing for years and havent made almost any progress in the story because im having too much fun running a shop, decorating my house and running a ranch to train cooking.
There have been a lot of Elona threads recently, im sure another one will pop up soon enough
a1c7c5 No.13884058
>>13883967
Its… not. It's just that there is a not insignificant bunch of things you should know to optimize how fast you level.
For someone just starting, you should get Elona Custom on top of Elona+. It adds a bunch of stuff, but it's worth if only for the option to Feed your pets, which is like plain old Giving but filters your items so only foodstuffs arre shown.
Know that unidentified items sell for shit. However, once you've identified that particular item, all future ones will be semi-identified, except for beatitude, which means you can sell them at a reasonable price. Weapons still must be identified always on a per-item basis and they ALWAYS sell for shit, except if you sell them through your own shop.
Cooking is important because cooked food improves your and your pet's stats, and can be sold for a nice profit. If you really don't want to bother with it (you should), make sure your best pet has the skill (you can gene engineer it) and try to go to bed at 9 PM- if you wake between 6-9AM, your pet will have prepared a breakfast that not only raises your stats, but also your stat potentials as well (the latter determines how fast the former increases and degrades as they do).
824b7d No.13884062
>>13883996
>>13883967
Oh yeah, something to keep in mind about Elona+: The default difficulty does NOT enforce permadeath. If your character dies you get an option to bring them back to life at your home, at the cost of risking losing some stats or dropping items where you died (i think if you are below lvl 6 or so you dont have any penalties nor do you have no pay taxes so you can learn to play and get your bearings with no fear).
Due to popular demand a few difficulty settings with permadeath were added, but the game is NOT balanced around permadeath. It was NEVER intended to have such a thing due to the nature of the game of building up your character and propierties over a long period of time and how easily it is to make a mistake that could lead to your death.
45109b No.13884065
>>13883996
What if i want to kill beasts and shit. Is elona good for killing things?
a925ce No.13884068
45109b No.13884072
>>13884068
Whaaaaaaat?!
I'l slash your dirty head off and poo in it.
824b7d No.13884073
>>13884065
You can kill anything, from hamsters to dragons. You can even kill the gods in theory, but dont expect to survive the aftermatch of it
a1c7c5 No.13884074
>>13884065
half of the game revolves around combat and you need to slay difficult bosses to advance the story and open new continents so yes.
My favorite strategy revolves around throwing booze at bosses which serves as a poor man's confusion potion, that nevertheless always works because drunkeness is a "buff".
45109b No.13884079
>>13884073
>>13884074
Now that's more like it. I especially like the part where you can fight gods while drunk.
824b7d No.13884104
>>13884074
My favourite part of Elona is the setting.
On one hand, it contains elves, dwarves, fairies and even snails as playable races. It contains a lot of medieval weapons and armor and you can ride horses into battle and you need to be wary of the magic sickness that haunts the contient. But it ALSO has robots, mechas, eldritch horrors, corgies with guns, NUCLEAR LIONS, machine guns, shotguns, grenades, laser rifles, NUKES, PANTIES AS WEAPONS.
And somehow none of it feels out of place, the setting allows for ANYTHING to happen which makes customizing the have so much more fun because no matter what stupid shit you add, there is something already weirder in the game. Like kamikaze HARD GAY
b8ce91 No.13884157
IVAN. It got a major update last month, first one in a year. Contrary to what you will hear it's not a hard game, just has a lot of insta-death enemies and traps. Get it on Github.
It's quite different from standard rogues. There are no direct ways of perma increasing stats (unless you count special items, carrots and ommel fluids). There are a shitton of items and very early on. You can get a fully decked out character within the first cave.
It uses a tileset and a good one at that. Items and stat changes appear on the screen, there's lighting and all the sprites fit the game.
a660b7 No.13884552
i liked to play Tales of Maj'Eyal
then i got bored after maybe 1000 real-time hours of it
b8ce91 No.13884587
>>13884540
>This is a fan continuation of IVAN
Couldn't sworn the original dev still worked on it.
bca9aa No.13884589
>>13884540
>Contributor Covenant
Is that the shit made by that insane tranny who goes around to open source projects with a pack of goons and bullied people into adoption?
9bbc6e No.13884614
What's the difference between paid/Steam and free version of UnReal World?
ef9965 No.13884615
I used to play NetHack. It's good, but you may need to read spoilers to do some shit. The Gehennom maze levels suck. Leveling up sucks. Play on server to find other people's bones, it's always fun
803025 No.13884619
>>13884589
Yup. There was some kerfuffle a while ago when people found out >she was running afoul of >her own CoCk but was dismissive about it and then later when >she got kicked out of Github
997f1a No.13884629
>>13884072
I think I heard your "Whaaaaat" before.
4ae10c No.13884640
PMD Explorers of Darkness
bc3007 No.13884687
NetHack but I stopped playing it after the latest patch dropped. Brogue, Dwarf Fortress, IVAN, POWDER, Dungeons of Dredmor, Tales of Maj'Eyal and Incursion also.
946d38 No.13884691
Stone soup
Although i never completed it
6e344b No.13884700
Caves of Qud is great. It's still in active development, with weekly updates, and the devs are hoping to finish it somewhere near the end of next year I think. The setting's fun, there's plenty of room for unique character building and the game manages to remain a proper roguelike while also being pretty easy to get into. You can get the ascii version for free from their site, or just pirate the steam version if you wanna check it out.
>>13884614
Literally nothing. It's basically just a donate button on Steam.
824b7d No.13884724
>>13884614
>>13884700
The way i understand it, the devs spent years working on the game for free and fans asked for a very long time to allow donations or something because the game was that good and they had spent so many years working on it. So the devs finally gave in and put it on steam while also keeping a free download, so that people that wanted to give em money could do it.
ec368e No.13884729
>>13883797
crypt of the necrodancer is fun but now i have to mash escape to skip the useless story segments because they felt the need to flesh it out beyond "necromancer stole your heart, have a dance through a dungeon to get it back"
I hate this trend of everything needing a backstory in games
6e344b No.13884737
>>13884724
It's been in development since 1993, I believe.
bca9aa No.13884783
>>13884700
Last I looked the ASCII version hasn't been updated in a long time.
I'm surprised a group of Marxist sympathizers can actually make a decent game.
6e344b No.13884848
>>13884783
It's sad, but they still seem pretty tame and reasonable compared to most developers these days. I won't really care unless they start fucking up their game, which I don't think is very likely to happen at this point.
2106a1 No.13884855
>>13883650
DoomRL is a great gateway Roguelike for anyone.
Rogue or Brogue are brilliant examples of stripping back the genre to only its essentials.
ADoM and Elona+ are good examples of more freeform Roguelikes.
>>13883664
Nethack has too much of the kitchen-sink 'throw everything cool sounding into the game' thinking for my tastes. Rogue/Brogue do a better job of focussing just on the dungeon crawling aspects without adding one-use gameplay elements.
e2032a No.13884865
I like Sil. Can't really tell why, it just clicked.
2106a1 No.13884873
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13884614
Nothing really, it's just a way to get retarded Steam-only users to fund continued development (the devs are nice people anyway so I can't hold it against them). Also note that the pre-Steam versions had a few audio tracks like vidrelated that had to be cut due to licensing issues once they started taking money, you can re-add them by downloading the tracks and renaming them appropriately iirc.
3669c5 No.13885417
>>13883743
DCSS player here: yes, they remove stuff all the time but rarely add anything substantial back in.
4b1430 No.13886336
I'd have to recommend Infra Arcana. Basically its a Lovecraftian dungeon crawler with pretty simple mechanics but a whole lot of depth. It has an insanity meter, really cool magic system based on finding scrolls that you can then cast from memory, tons of crazy monsters, (Mi-Go, flying polyps etc. and even uniques like Zuul the gatekeeper and Keziah Mason) and 4 different starter classes that you can develop into many different builds by choosing traits when you level up.
Unfortunately there isn't a wiki or anything because its a relatively obscure game but if you can figure out shit like DCSS this game should be pretty easy to understand.
a84b06 No.13886469
>>13883772
>they've been on 0.C for two years and a half now
The experimental gets updated constantly, whenever I decide to play it again I just update to the most recent then keep it from updating again while I'm still on that current playthrough, haven't encountered any game breaking bugs in years. I think they just can't be assed to stop at a point and say "Here's the new stable".
>>13883996
>running a ranch to train cooking
You'd be able to level a lot faster with a farm, or even fishing.
a1c7c5 No.13886660
>>13886469
A farm has little maintenance (besides taxes). If you chose a high breeding species such as a rabbit, you'll get more eggs and milk than you'd know what to do with. Omelettes make a great shop filler and you can use a pot for fusion recipe to make butter, cheese (sell these) and yoghurt (boosts CON; eat this).
If you want to specifically train cooking, then sure, just enter in and out a wilderness tile and cook healthy leafs for free.
de656c No.13886676
I've never actually played Rogue. Is it any good?
a1c7c5 No.13886723
>>13886676
Well, if you're interested in knowing what roguelikes are all about, there really is nothing better than the game that defines the term. You'll probably find it pretty barebones, but it's still pretty hard, as simple as it is.
b63a3e No.13887039
>>13883713
It stopped being good quite a while before the tilesets were made.
a095e9 No.13887112
>>13883664
The differences between Nethack and Angband are so minute, I can't see how you'd get shit for liking one over the other.
a095e9 No.13887120
>>13886676
I've played rogue and it's basically like nethack with more limited controls. Nethack is a direct variant, after all.
157aaa No.13887417
>>13887120
I would say rogue is more like brogue with simler level generator and less interesting enemies and weapons. rogue and brogue feel closere to each other than either one to nethack. At least that's how I feel after playing the three.
93ad2e No.13887463
>>13884729
There's maybe 2 whole minutes of cutscene in the game you fucking sperg.
6e19e6 No.13887501
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Fear & Hunger, but is instead in demo stages
1ab0ea No.13887518
>>13884157
At first I was excited to hear of an update but the reality of the situation has been slowly sinking in.
Not only have political memes been showing up, there is also the innate blandness of contributor content in general.
Basically IVAN is on a long and violent road to becoming DDA. I can only hope they lose the will to develop before that.
.50 for life, you don't know what you got until it's gone. Now everyone will call this new buggy and uninspired mess IVAN.
a095e9 No.13887592
>>13887039
what is the last good version and where can I download it?
b63a3e No.13887707
>>13887592
0.4 was my favorite version, but I didn't play anything between 0.4 and 0.9 so those might be okay or not idk. 0.9 was going downhill I think. I don't know where to download it, but here's mine.
https://mega.nz/#!pYkU3DyL!vsOZgisQAmUWD-sG0lUsRu3iPdUT7bgbQiw-YbmlHqw
a095e9 No.13887756
>>13887707
Much appreciated. Last version I played was back in 2013, probably. No idea what version that was. Came back a few years later and there was all this crap about devs refusing to allow you to give items to NPCs because they didn't want males giving drugs to females and stealing their agencies.
b63a3e No.13887767
>>13887756
>because they didn't want males giving drugs to females and stealing their agencies.
lul
a095e9 No.13887812
>>13887767
You can laugh but it's sad whenever devs of a good game catch the brain worms.
b63a3e No.13887841
>>13887812
Didn't the original dev leave the project and furries ended up picking it up? Also I don't think that version even has NPCs.
1ab0ea No.13887995
>>13887841
The original dev isn't much better to be honest, and the one furry who made the original mod isn't much worse. But the important difference is that the original developer wasn't taking contributions, so any dedicated autists with an agenda couldn't just bogart the project.
Before it would only run on linux with debugger spam happening every 5 steps. There were NPCs but they would disappear when you saved the game and they caused it to crash all the time. The old developer quit working on it because he was just flaky and eventually lost interest. We could all tell it was something special at the time though. He was working on a promising looking sequel recently but got a job and kids and ditched it.
90f5fa No.13889386
There's a game called "Rogue Effect" which is based on "Mass Effect 3" specifically:
https://dowhilecompiling.blogspot.com/p/rogue-effect.html
2bd945 No.13893235
Hows the artifact update for dwarf fortress?
6b18b4 No.13893245
>>13889386
>Mass Effect
!
>3
shit
bca9aa No.13893269
>permanent stat draining monsters in ADOM
This shit really pisses me off. My most recent runs keep getting fucked up by these faggots.
5b5d6e No.13893350
>>13883650
I've never played any roguelikes but Mystery Dungeon spinoffs. What am I missing?
824b7d No.13893390
>>13893350
Generally more brutality and permadeath, more interactivity with enviroments (usually), more equipment and skill management.
There are a lot of beginner friendly games already mentioned in this thread if you want to get into the genre
1bfaba No.13893408
I've picked up a copy of Has-been Heroes. Its been pretty good so far, just need to keep experimenting to figure out all the different mechanics. My only complaint for now is that the enemy variety is boring since its mostly skeletons with little graphical changes. I'm seeing more enemies pop up in recent playthroughs, so maybe it gets better.
6b18b4 No.13893417
>>13884104
You forgot the mountable lolis
0bbdc8 No.13893445
>>13884104
>>13893417
I always wanted to get into this. Guess I'll do it now. I only need 1.73 and elona custom, right?
824b7d No.13893459
>>13893445
1.73 is the latest version, yeah. I dont use Elona Custom but it seems that everyone else does, so yeah get it too. Among other minor fixes it allows you to customize pet/ally AI and teach them some skills. You probably wont need to worry about it early on tho
6b18b4 No.13893492
>>13893445
Don't forget the spritesheet that changes all the monsters into monstergirls
This one is out of date most likely. Also its not a BMP and apparently I cannot upload a bmp
a5dac4 No.13893506
>>13893492
>monsters into monstergirls
You mean furries?
1d76bb No.13893519
>>13887518
>.50 for life
Got a link to it?
824b7d No.13893530
>>13893445
May as well give you some beginner tips.
>Little girl is the best starter pet because she has the most equipmet slots. You can choose any other if you want tho, you will get other chances to get a lilttle girl pet later.
>At the start you may feel that you are barely doing any damage to some enemies or that others kill you really fast. This is normal, dont feel bad for making your pet tank or kill things for you while you get your bearings
>If your pets dies, they dont die forever. You can pay a very cheap amount of gold to get them resurrected at the town bar. The only penalty for pets dying is that their relationship towards you will decrease. It increases as they land the killing blow on things or if you give them some specific items
>Press '?' to see a list of hotkeys, explanations of terms and mechanics. There are some things there that the tutorial doesnt explain enough, like most effective range for ranged weapons.
>If you are starving, you can 'b'ash a tree with fruits to make fruits fall off them. If you are too poor to afford actual food. Keep in mind that its still possible for some of those fruits to be cursed, and eating cursed food makes you throw up, losing weight (body weight is just a flavour text thing, equipment weight does affect gameplay) and getting even hungrier
caf34f No.13893557
>>13893492
Is this updated for the most recent Elona edition?
caf34f No.13893558
>>13893557
fug forgot to read
6b18b4 No.13893598
>>13893506
Hey now, lets be civil here.
To be complete frank, there are not many that go that far into furry territory, this one is really more of a mixed bag.
If you look closely you may realize that this sheet has
>2hu
>persona
>NGE
>Memes
>ergoe
and probably more shit that I just don't recognize.
bca9aa No.13893602
>>13893350
SNES Shiren the Wanderer is breddy gud, would recommend it if you like the Mystery Dungeon style. Not sure about the quality of the DS rerelease, never actually picked it up.
Heard bad things about the Wii Shiren, like they really downed the difficulty.
There was also a new Vita Shiren that got localized last year I think, that one might be good but I don't have a Vita.
8e0355 No.13894058
>>13893519
http://ivan.sourceforge.net/
There's also IVANX, which has most of the useful features of the community edition with none of the bullshit:
https://attnam.com/projects/variants/IvanX
d5ffea No.13894273
I think I'm too casual for real roguelikes. What's something nice without permadeath? I think Elona+ didn't have permadeath but I got bored of that.
c011e1 No.13894291
>>13894273
You can turn off permadeath in certain roguelikes, like in TOME or new graphical version of ADOM for example. It makes them boring though.
c011e1 No.13894345
There are few roguelikes i want to bring to your attention:
Cogmind
http://www.gridsagegames.com/cogmind/
>Build yourself from components found or salvaged from other robots. Attach power sources, propulsion units, utilities, and weapons to become a slow tank bristling with weapons, or a fast-moving flier zipping past enemies before they even have time to react, or a stealthy sword-wielding assassin/hacker, or whatever else you can come up with from the salvage you find. The situation can quickly change as you lose components and rebuild yourself from enemy remains.
EverSector
https://maugrift.itch.io/eversector
>EverSector is one of few space-themed roguelikes, set in a large yet finite universe. Unlike similar roguelikes, EverSector puts you in control of a starship itself. The universe you will navigate is divided into sectors, filled with planets, space stations, and other ships. These ships are no different than yourself: competing for resources and waging war for their respective factions. With enough hard work, any ship can rise to power over their faction, through noble or despicable means.
Prospector
http://www.prospector.at/forum/dm_eds/dmedsdl.php
>In an unexplored sector of space, humanity seeks to establish a permanent presence. Megacorporations have set up starbases in the region, where they employ freelance prospectors to find exploitable resources and map unknown planets. The player commands a team of these prospectors. Their goal is to explore the unknown systems and bring back valuable minerals, alien artifacts, and biodata… without being killed by hostile life forms, space pirates, harsh planet conditions, interstellar gas clouds, running out of oxygen, and the many other dangers of the sector. Can the player make enough money to retire in luxury, or does a brutal TPK await them?
Ascii Sector
http://www.asciisector.net/
>Ascii Sector is a space trading and combat game with a few RPG elements. Combat in space is realtime, while character combat on the ground or on board a spaceship is turn-based. Players can earn credits to upgrade their ship, either by trading goods, taking on missions or pirating. The game currently has no plot, but players can create their own quests to share with other players using a relatively simple script syntax and the built-in quest compiler.
824b7d No.13894373
>>13894345
Cogmind looks fun but
>20 dollars
>for a roguelike
>in early access
c011e1 No.13894410
>>13894373
Have you ever considered piracy?
d5ffea No.13894592
>>13894291
Thanks I get that it will make them boring but I've really lost any desire to git gud.
3f1f13 No.13896939
So, as far as i counted, the roguelikes with deep interactions, open world, survival and rpg-like stories are:
Elona+ (from which i start exploring the genre)
Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode
Tales of Maj'Eyal
Ancient Domains Of Mystery
Unreal World
Cataclysm: Dark Days
Do i forget anything?
af69e1 No.13898239
>CDDA
>driving to a town to loot
>darkish
>suddenly guy in the road
>run him over doing 60mph
>feel like shit over it
>get over by binging on pot and hot dogs
e7985c No.13898298
>>13883691
DoomRL is one of my favorites. It feels much more like an action game, and positioning is basically life or death due to the exploding barrels, rocket launchers, and contrasting open/very tight areas. Some of the unique weapons are a little clowny but you'll get different ones every time so it's not a big problem. The enemies behave just like you would expect in Doom and almost all of the same mechanical principles apply (higher level demons are resistant to bullets for example). There is a lot of new shit added though to keep you on your toes. This game was so popular that there was actually a proper Doom mod made to compliment it, with most of the crazy unique weapons/armors and modding features from DoomRL added. Sadly it doesn't appear to be supported anymore and I have trouble getting it to function completely flawlessly on the latest version of GZDoom (the menu screens appear to be missing from the controls).
a095e9 No.13898825
>>13896939
Every game you listed has some of those things. But no game has all of those things.
aa5b27 No.13899079
>>13893602
The DS version is a pretty good port.Does some rebalancing, but it's still pretty tough for a roguelike.
0fb933 No.13899085
>>13898239
>kill zombie kid
>feel bad about it
>visit school
>fuckload of kids and you need those meele skills
>killing children gives you less and less penalties
>at some point you get so used to this you don't feel bad anymore
aa5b27 No.13899235
The version of Rogue I have downloaded on my PC doesn't want to save and load my files. Am I doing something wrong?
b5ac60 No.13899286
What the fuck is a roguelike and why did i never hear anything about it before current year and the infestation of indie-faggotry?
c7bbab No.13900032
>>13899286
Because you're fucking new and you're casual trash.
25bf57 No.13900044
>>13883743
v0.20:
>Removed high elves.
>Removed mottled draconians.
>Removed vestigial Lava Orcs/Djinni. Saves will load, but (after a prompt) will be converted to Hill Orcs/Vinestalkers.
>Removed wand of heal wounds, haste, teleportation, and slowing.
>Removed rods.
>Removed Disc of Storms.
>Removed The Hat of the High Council, the Scimitar of Flaming Death, and the Dagger of Chilly Death.
>Removed Beef jerky and pizza.
>Removed hill giants
>Removed draconian zealots
>Removed Delayed Fireball.
>Removed Poisonous Cloud.
>Removed Repel Missiles.
>A Deep dwarf has an innate ability that heals them and has a chance of permanently reducing their MP. Their old recharge ability has been removed.
>Various 'badform' (e.g. wispform) special cases have been removed.
>Several abilities that triggered exhaustion now have their own cooldown timers.
>The Shining One: Poison is no longer forbidden
Nemelex's wrath reclaims all decks, rather than sabotaging them.
>Wands can no longer be zapped while confused.
>A Wand of disintegration no longer destroys terrain.
>Wand and miscellaneous acquirement merged into 'evocations'.
>Potions of cure mutation, beneficial mutation, and mutation have been merged.
>All types of food take one turn to eat.
>All types of manuals are pre-identified.
>Draconian player ghosts will no longer have negative energy breath.
>The Ring of Shaolin is renamed to the Ring of Phasing, and the bow of Krishna "Sharnga" is renamed to the longbow "Zephyr".
>Sword of Jihad: renamed to Zealot's sword.
>>13883744
They do sometimes add stuff, but the amount of things they remove is annoying. Somebody needs to update Extra Hearty Edition, a fork of 0.14 that added back most of what was stripped out in intermediate versions back to 0.9:
https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe
aa5b27 No.13900321
>>13899235
NVM I had to relearn some DOS and Command Prompt shit.
8badaf No.13900735
>>13896939
None of those listed has all the things you mentioned, the one thing they have in common is they're all standard roguelikes.
You're missing Caves of Qud, by the way. Out of all the RL's I've played it has by far the most impressive worldbuilding and best, most unique atmosphere. Really sticks in your noggin and makes you want to learn more about the world itself.
8badaf No.13900752
>>13900044 (checked)
>all that shit removed
>that Nemelex change
>taking out high elves and disc of storms
>removing those spells
>wand of disintegration massively fucking nerfed
>those name changes most likely having to do with progressive SJW pozzing
I haven't played DCSS in a long while now but holy jesus christ on fucking fire does that list make me mad. Sometimes they'll yank out one or two things that make you go 'what the fuck' but that changelog is nothing but a giant list of WTF.
Pretty soon those goddamn faggots will have distilled it down into a turn based version of Pong. Fuck.
25bf57 No.13901049
>>13900752
It's funny comparing the arbitrary, often petty (for instance, axing mountain dwarves because the devs were salty about DF fans from Magma Forums flooding DCSS's forums) removals in DCSS, to a roguelike that actually removes stuff based on intentional thematic choices. For instance, how many people here know that Unreal World used to be a generic D&D-style high fantasy game with orcs, dwarves, elves, magic, and stuff, before it was redone as a hard-realism Scandi survival sim?
ee368c No.13901218
i like games that use rougelike features more than rougelikes themselves, i love random terrain
most games that do call themselves "rougelike" and are awful
help
05e7eb No.13901275
90f5fa No.13901486
>>13901218
The whole point of roguelikes like nethack and adom was to put as many gameplay features with best ability to deepen the player interaction with the game into simplistic rogue scheme to create the most replayable munchkin experience with most challenge lied on rng and player's understanding of how those interactive game mechanics would help him to overcome each run when anything could fuck him up next corner. Eventually that mindset led us to glory of dwarf fortress and everything that tries to copy same shit graphically ultimately fails just because ASCII allows to create a lot of impossible situations that are just hard and too long to implement through graphics. What a person can do in fucking java or C++ with ASCII graphics transcends what a person can make in shitty already built game engine and hand drawn graphical presets. First needs a week for something simple, second needs a month for same amount of work.
Eventually if anybody would put Dorf Fort into graphical perspective it would require x100 times as much time to make as DF was already in development, that's why all graphical representations suck. And only good graphical roguelikes so far that were made were created with static tilesets with not a lot of extensive animation, because otherwise it would require chinese sweatshop amount of work to make something that big.
Even people who work on similar projects in action rpg department in 3d suffer from need to copy same resources from old projects to re-implement them in new ones. Soldak Entertainment had to copy a lot of shit from Din's Curse into their new Zombasite, to feature creep as much content into latest game as possible, not even caring to unclutter the interface.
25bf57 No.13901557
>>13901486
Probably the closest to Dwarf Fortress I've seen with a proper interface is the Cultures series from Funatics, and it only just barely scratches the surface of DF's economy. The dollar value of the autism Toady One pours into DF, multiplied by a team big enough to make an AAA game, is unimaginable.
3b499f No.13902275
What do you guys think of first person roguelikes like Barony?
1c67ff No.13902299
>>13884157
No way, I used to play that over ten years ago.
1c67ff No.13902312
>>13894410
Do consider uploading it/linking it.
3afed5 No.13902318
eba3bf No.13902415
>>13902275
I think that's not really a roguelike.
A lot of people like to cite random generation, permadeath, item interactions and ASCII graphics as the cornerstones of the genre, but this is a bit like citing ammo limits and health packs as the cornerstones of FPS. The only real feature that defines a roguelike is the core gameplay element of movement and actions being tracked together in a tick-turn system. The rest is expected in most games because of the preferences of both the community and the makers.
af69e1 No.13902417
>>13902318
>IGG
Enjoy your bitcoin miner.
25bf57 No.13902452
>>13902415
Let's just put this as simply as possible:
Berlin Interpretation=roguelike
Anything else, from Diablo through Dungeon Hack and Borderlands=roguelite
997f1a No.13902737
>>13902415
What about creatures missing some 'ticks' according to their speed value? That creates asynchronous turns.
997f1a No.13902743
6711f7 No.13903214
6a9aea No.13904886
>>13901049
>For instance, how many people here know that Unreal World used to be a generic D&D-style high fantasy game
You learn something new every day
af69e1 No.13904971
>>13902535
I just got the new rome DLC from them the other day and it had a bitcoin miner. I have seen a few other anons report similar things in the share threads.
8a9cbb No.13905189
Death road to Canada is the most fun I've had in a game in ages
196490 No.13908479
>>13893492
Are there any lewd mods for Elona? And what mods are available in general? I only found out it has a custom version with translation fixes and patches.
3afed5 No.13909271
>>13894273
You know, i remembered another two roguelikes with pretty long rpg-like campaign with ability to turn off permadeath. Its Tangledeep and Dungeonmans. Both however are unfinished and you need to pirate them.
827348 No.13909341
>>13894373
It's rather interesting, as someone who has been supporting it for some time. Rather than a food timer, you're basically wandering around a hostile ecosystem. As more and more things notice your movements, more powerful things will be dispatched to kill you. Hang around in one level too long and you'll be facing things outside of your league pretty fast. On thew flip side, moving quickly and knowing what to take/leave is essential to survival, and there is a meta progression in learning about secret hacking commands and similar things.
It's pretty fun and has an excellent ui as well as some interesting systems surrounding equipment and health.
827348 No.13909344
>>13894273
THere's always dredmor for the real casuals.
f6d698 No.13909387
Any games like these that aren't dungeon crawlers? I enjoy both Cataclysm and URW, but none of the more normal roguelikes interest me long, even if they are thematically more interesting than kitchen sink fantasy.
a095e9 No.13909488
>>13909387
You could try Elona+. There are dungeons but they aren't very deep and there is a lot to do on the surface like take quests, own a shop, become a prostitute.
196490 No.13909498
>>13909387
Have you tried searching database?
http://forums.roguetemple.com/irldb/
There are 612 roguelikes total in it.
f6d698 No.13909539
>>13909488
I propably should give it another go. Last time I gave up frankly too soon after being intimidated by the state of the translation.
>>13909498
Any tips on what to search? The database doesn't bother with -dungeon crawler and URW is only tagged as "survival", which is rather beside what I'm looking for.
196490 No.13909567
>>13909539
>URW is only tagged as "survival"
There are more options, like interface and length.
25bf57 No.13909570
>>13909539
If wikis are more your thing, there's also Roguebasin. Though it's more aimed at authors of roguelikes, the analysis this produces often helps in finding games to play:
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
8f2b96 No.13909672
>>13909271
I wish more of these graphical ones reflected your equipped gear. It bothers me when they go so far but stop short of that. I'd really rather just be looking at ASCII, one of those things that hits me right in the 'tism.
4958e7 No.13910210
>>13909387
Dwarf Fortress' Adventure Mode might suit you, since you aren't dungeon delving for the most part. Newer updates to it made it a lot more interesting, including a revamp of the conversation system, and I THINK you can start to build your own buildings in it now. Basically you can do a lot more roleplaying shit compared to previously.
>>13909387
>aren't dungeon crawlers
One of my favorites is One Way Heroics. Great replay value as well. But avoid Mystery Chronicle like the plague.
40f02d No.13910222
>>13902535
>google her
>she's got a piercing and a retarded skrillex haircut
Still a nice body though.
196490 No.13910224
>>13910210
>avoid Mystery Chronicle like the plague.
Care to share what's the difference?
1a1b51 No.13910258
>>13909567
hey bro what is that website in your second pic with all the rogue like names
1a1b51 No.13910262
>>13910258
aw nvm saw the link
4958e7 No.13910422
>>13910224
Bad port. 30 FPS, bugs, music is bland, changes from the original for no reason, e.g Darkness encroaching turned into light encroaching because.. reasons. Mystery Chronicle comes off as a reskin of a better game.
3f4b94 No.13910502
>>13910422
>30fps
>2d games with rpg maker sprites
That's really awful.
728bfc No.13914792
>>13884065
Dcss.
Dcss.
Awesome game.
4f5e81 No.13915777
>>13914792
DCSS is for normalfags who can't into *band.
aa5b27 No.13915816
>>13887417
>>13884855
>>13886723
Thanks a ton for recommending Rogue. I actually really like its simplicity. There's not too much stupid bullshit to keep in mind like in Nethack, and kind of reminds me of the kind of methodicalness you need to keep in mind when playing say a Classicvania.
f77c7c No.13915868
>*band
>some *band's are just mods for TOME like FuryBand
>pretending angband means anything nowadays than just being a basic roguelike
Anon, i know sometimes you shiggy diggy, but don't shiggy diggy too much. Angband is dead (also damned i to know that its tolkien shit).
TOME has a damn large history behind it. I wish it was still about tolkien shit.
4f5e81 No.13916009
>>13915868
The point I'm trying to make is, why would I play DCSS in its current state over any other basic dungeon crawler? By now practically every modern variant has more depth, breadth, and is more fun.
f77c7c No.13916071
>>13916009
DCSS is like pillars of eternity of roguelikes for noarmalfags. Can't really overthrow it, because nobody knows its not a good game within its own genre.
9d8a0a No.13916148
I'm sort of a casual when it comes to Roguelike, the only one I played extensively was Dredmor and even without a lot of experience in the genre I could see that it was begginner friendly.
I've recently got to playing Sword of the Stars : The Pit, since it got a new (and last) update. I kind of like it but I don't know if it's a legitimate complaint or just that I'm shit but it feels like it relies a bit too much on RNG. I've been doing Engineer runs (maybe that's my problem) and unless I get a good weapon before floor 10 then I slowly get whittled down floor by floor. I've seen people just say to dump point in combat stats and mostly ignore the rest but that feels counter productive since the character has shit strenght and terrible combat skills outside of a couple. Maybe the point of the character is just to snowball in early levels thanks to being able to repair/open stuff.
I wish the game also used less recolors, I don't mind them most of the time but it really triggers my autism when I'm halfway through the game with a level six million character and I'm fighting a Bat recolor # 46.
t. roguelike brainlet
4b7181 No.13916461
>>13916148
I don't like Sword of the Stars: The Pit for two reasons:
1. Sword of the Stars was initially pretty good 4x game that was canned completely after failure of a sequel, and now its name used for some pseudo-indie roguelike
2. Level design is trash, its all same rooms and corridors repeating over and over again, only changing by colors, amount of objects and enemies, its very bare bones for a roguelike of those days, despite its graphics and visuals
But on plus side the characters are really cool, and certain game mechanics have inspiring approach. That doesn't justify how bland this game is in the long run, though.
a095e9 No.13916466
>>13916071
DCSS makes me sad because it had a lot of potential.
aa5b27 No.13916475
>>13916148
>GUN
That game had no business being that good. Too bad its so short.
e9e79a No.13916512
>>13915868
Just play Infra Arcana already. I think the tiles still work over it properly. It's been mainly renigging under the hood.
https://www.oryxdesignlab.com/games/
e9e79a No.13916547
>>13916512
What exactly you do, is install the latest release over that version. If you need a tilerset. It's honestly the best tileset, taste disregarded.
fd0e13 No.13916570
>>13899286
the question you should instead ask is "why did i ask this question on /v/ instead of just using a search engine"
e9e79a No.13916571
It has some of the neatest starting rolls with no real dickery and real fun interaction. It takes a while to get good but it's absolutely the best one with curious things that are avoidable with forethought. Just gets a bit tight at points, depending on what you roll.
9d8a0a No.13916618
>>13916461
I agree, level design is pretty terrible and there isn't enough item/build variety to offset that. I sort of enjoy it but I had much more fun on Dredmor, I don't know if I should actually be saying that.
There's a Pit 2 in the works by the way but the track record of the devs is really inconsistent so there's lots of ways everything can go wrong.
>>13916475
I really enjoyed it too, I've been playing lots of western vidya recently, finished both first Call of Juarez games and Hard West. Actually now that I think about it I'd be really interested in a far west setting roguelike, or even really any role playing game with that setting.
e9e79a No.13916626
>>13916547
Oh, nevermind. The tiles are just in the latest now. That was for older versions. As with most roguelikes, just press ? to figure out what does what. You can find its actual site.
I've been play a game on 18.2 for so long I forgot when that changed.
e9e79a No.13916652
What I don't like about the Sword of the Stars shit is Kerberos were massive cunts and didn't listen to fucking anyone about Fort Zombie and the whole shithouse went up in flames there is nothing more than basic cardinal movement. I have no idea how they can go so far yet fuck shit so intrinsically. I really hate them. Probably the start of my hate for independent devs. Fucking
LEAFS
e9e79a No.13916691
They even fucked up that kaiju game that just sealed the deal that I hope they all get stuck on a neverending ride that starts from Manitoba and never ends. I fucking hate them with such a dulling dissapointment I can't even bother cursing them even lowly enough because I am tired of their shit and absolutely every other cunt.
The numbing pain of watching a bunch of fucking leafs shit up something that could have been great. It goes back to Fort Zombie. The fucking cunts never listen and keep putting out trash Derek Smart would piss on. How much hate do I have for them, I guess it grows the longer I think about them. At least I'm saving my sanity in the process.
e9e79a No.13916701
I hope ever last goddamn leaf burns. There just is no other fucking option at this point.
e9e79a No.13916728
How can you be so bad at nearly making something great? I suppose they're on that faggoty leaf board that gives them fuck off money to just burn and not make a profit because muh art. Jesus H Christ, there is so much Hell those faggots deserve for short stroking every that believed in them after SotS and the fucking cucks that didn't drive them into a wall about Fort Zombie and still expected SotS 2 to be something.
I wouldn't call it hate. It's an abject disgust for each an every one of their existence.
e9e79a No.13916766
I'd start another thread but I assume I'd likely be the only one with a nail to drive about something this specific. Excuse me.
aa5b27 No.13916773
>>13916766
Please stop quintuple posting, make a containment thread for your autistic ass and get the fuck out.
e9e79a No.13916781
>>13916773
No. Read, LEAF.
517f6f No.13917001
>>13916781
Learn how to express your thoughts in a single post, and maybe people won't disrespect your opinion.
8ff496 No.13917094
>>13900044
>>Sword of Jihad: renamed to Zealot's sword.
kek
0fb6f9 No.13917563
>>13916148
I like that game. There's obviously an RNG component and it can certainly fuck you over, but in general you can trade your resources. Health for ammo and armor, food for health and ammo for food (killing things faster makes you spend less food). I remember I had a lot of trouble until I started playing on easy to get recipes. They can make food much more efficient. Engi is kind of shit but good at unlocking stuff, so stick with it.
732743 No.13917852
>>13915816
It's worth noting that Rogue and Brogue are slightly different games, both still good. Nethack is a bit of a meme, I'd almost go as far as calling it the reddit of Roguelikes.
aa5b27 No.13917874
>>13917852
I play Nethack on my phone between tasks at work because carrying a DS and Shiren the Wanderer is too cumbersome and rocking the cartridge in any way could ruin a run.
af69e1 No.13917914
>>13917874
It doesn't have a quick save so you can shut the system off?
c09234 No.13917958
>>13893350
If aint permanent death it aint a roguelike
>>13887592
Modern Catadda is bad because of the bloat but if you can ignore it it isn't so bad, benefits of the newer patches is more varieties of cybernetics and more random mutations instead of the fur faggotry.
I'm surprised nobody has made a mod to make zombies were the furry suits so you can kill zombie furries.
aa5b27 No.13917963
>>13917914
>slow hours after breakfast
>Alright, better deal with that monster house at floor 17
<HEY ANON COME QUICK THE MILKSHAKE MACHINE'S BEING A DILDO AGAIN
>shit shit shit fuck save
<PLS HOLD RESET WHILE YOU TURN THE POWER OFF AND…………. nnnNOW
>Boss notices me juggling my 3DS
>Get suspended
>Don't eat for a week
>Some jailbait gets hired and they decide to fire my ass
>THE WITCH HUNTS ARE OVER
e971ce No.13917976
>>13917963
>THE WITCH HUNTS ARE OVER
Is there a Bayonetta rougelike?
732743 No.13918012
>>13917874
Why not play a better Roguelike though? With the current level of kitchen-sink bloat playing Nethack without at least occasionally referring to an outside source is just painful.
aa5b27 No.13918041
>>13918012
Know better android roguelikes? I'm open to trying new things.
732743 No.13918089
>>13918041
They don't all run on android? I don't really play shit on my phone or go outside.
Any of UnRealWorld, Elona+, ADoM, DoomRL or Rogue/Brogue would be good if they've got android versions.
aa5b27 No.13918129
>>13918089
I remember downloading Rogue but it was a pet project some guy gave up on in 2013
a095e9 No.13918138
>>13918089
Only decent roguelike I've found for android is nethack and it's ported by a completely different team than the nethack team. There are a handful of pixelshit coffee break roguelites and also Ananias, which is meh, but that's pretty much it for android.
732743 No.13918142
>>13918129
Brogue might work better since it's a more modern game. Maybe Angband?
fd711c No.13918212
>>13916148
>>13916461
I couldn't play sword of the stars. The worst thing a roguelike can do is have animations that you can't turn off. I don't want to waste time watching the character move, I should be able to play the game as fast as I can press buttons.
732743 No.13918298
>>13918138
Well that sucks.
a095e9 No.13918448
>>13918298
Actually just looked and there is angband for android now. DCSS, too. I don't know if I could play Angband anywhere but my computer. I like to have all the windows open at once.
732743 No.13919098
>>13918448
Weird that DoomRL of all things doesn't have a port.
a70d3e No.13919259
Any cyberpunkish Roguelikes? I wanna mod my body and the only game that really scratches the itch is CDDA
9d8a0a No.13921693
Has anyone tried this roguelike ? Looks interesting but I want to know how it holds up besides the possession gimmick.
b1637d No.13921864
>>13916618
>interested in a far west setting roguelike
Caves of Qud feels inspired by westerns. Or at least something like Dark Tower. You can play as a gunslinger and above ground there are vast expanses and interesting (and deadly) wildlife.
179e3d No.13921928
>>13893269
ADOM's shtick is that your character will have to learn how to avoid melee regardless. The game expects you to know which enemies you shouldn't go melee with and expects you to be able to stone them to death like she's your pakistani cousin who got raped.
d123ac No.13921942
>>13919259
Cogmind might suit you. I haven't played it, but the idea is you're a robot who modifies himself as he progresses
d123ac No.13921945
>>13918089
I know it's pixelshit casual trash, but I find Pixel Dungeon to be a lot of fun. I usually play Shattered Pixel Dungeon, which is a pretty good fork.
1d6686 No.13921946
Unreal World is really good. I never see anyone mention it.
179e3d No.13921956
>>13901557
It's impossible to gather that much autism in one place without the studio imploding.
e8c17a No.13921958
>There will never be a roguelike Monster Hunter with Forgotten-Beast-esque monster generation, weapon crafting, armor building, and large wildernesses to explore
>There will never be a roguelike with a unique magic system built off ofingesting various metals and 'burning' them in your belly for effects
>There will never be a roguelike based on microscopic life and its dangers and wonders
25bf57 No.13921996
>>13921945
Pixel Dungeon isn't actually a roguelike, it's a puzzle game hiding inside the shell of a roguelike. Not quite to the extent of DROD or something, but the resource clock is so tight, and the mechanics are so simple, it's not really a tactical challenge so much as a matter of figuring out the order to do things in.
That isn't to say it isn't a good game, but it lacks the depth that characterizes roguelikes and other dungeon crawler subgenres. Another game with this sort of deceptive presentation is Massive Assault/Domination, which is a puzzle game cunningly disguised as a turn-based strategy game.
a5bf9a No.13922332
>>13902275
certainly looks a lot like Delver ,One More Dungeon nevermind they're all the same game anyways and shit
1224c9 No.13922355
>>13922332
Barony is better than those two at least because its not sprite based, but voxel based, and has proper 3d perspective like Eldrich. And Eldrich is even more different from them all for being a zelda clone.
9d8a0a No.13924122
>>13917563
I've actually been playing some more and did some good runs, what fucked me over was that I ran out of ammo at floor 23 or something like that. I'm doing another run and dropped a good blade, invested in that but since I'm such a fucking retard I tried to greed on its repair and it ended up going straight from 1.5 durability to breaking.
I skimmed through a recipe guide just to look at the amount of stuff you can craft and it seems the guide is outdated because there's plenty of ingredients that I dropped that weren't used in any recipe which is good because otherwise crafting would've been pretty barebones. I'm still going to unlock them the legit way though.
>>13921864
Thanks for the recommendation, it looks pretty fun.
94ba86 No.13925234
>>13886336
>>13916512
I'm trying to get good at this fucking game, but I can't play Ghoul and get past Dlvl6. What the fuck is this class supposed to be doing? Am I emphasizing combat too much? Should I just be rushing for the stairs every time and max out stealth and dex like a fucking faggot Rogue pussyboi?
ae7b29 No.13925445
>>13921693
I've played it, but not long enough to endorse it quite yet. I've liked what I've played so far though.
196490 No.13926202
>>13921693
Some heavy inspirations from disgaea this game has.
acb495 No.13927113
>>13918041
You can get Cataclysm DDA on Android, and it works surprisingly well. Whoever made it did a pretty solid job making a phone compatible control scheme for such a keyboard heavy game.
a5dac4 No.13935099
4b1430 No.13935787
>>13925234
Ghoul is the most unique class because you don't heal naturally, you have to eat corpses. This means avoiding damage is way more important than other classes. Make sure you use the frenzy ability whenever possible as it makes melee combat much easier. I recommend playing War Veteran until you can get down to at least D10, but if you really like Ghoul max out melee asap so your claws will do good damage, get dexterous because it gives you better dodge chance and more speed so you can outrun enemies if you need to. Don't use high damage melee weapons because they will in most cases not leave a corpse for you to eat, stick with your claws. Take ravenous so you can heal by attacking enemies. Kick over the braziers onto enemies to set them on fire. Grab spikes so you can jam doors with them if you're in trouble. Run away from shit that's invisible and make sure to treat the grey zombies that hold weapons with care, they will fuck your shit up. Use molotovs and dynamite for big groups like Major Cephlam Lee and his zombie gank squad. Make finding the stairs your first priority so you can bail out to the next floor if you get into a shitty situation, but try to squeeze out as much xp as you can from every floor otherwise the lower levels will absolutely destroy you.
a70d3e No.13938295
>>13921942
Eh, I was looking more more optional body modification like C:DDA. I'm surprised there are more cyber punk ones.