c29087 No.13845850
https://archive.is/CpNS2
Well, well, well. Seems like the Duchamps of the video game industry is at it again, trying to REDEFINE what a video game should be.
dcbed3 No.13845859
Video games can be art but they have to be a video game first. :^)
37134c No.13845866
What games are considered (((art)))?
Undertale?
LISA?
Fez?
Broken Age?
Wolfenstein II: The New Golem?
ce6ebc No.13845868
>>13845866
What do you have against LISA?
dcbed3 No.13845879
>>13845866
>What games are considered (((art)))?
This might shock you but art is subjective.
That's why a video game should be a video game first and foremost.
427e99 No.13845898
>>13845866
I know some games that could be considered art
Your idea for a game is totally considered art, as in no one would buy it from you, you will never be a game dev, nor even a lazy ideas guy
373e37 No.13845899
>>13845860
You got that right.
3e25a4 No.13845901
what the fuck is an "art game"
d763d1 No.13845905
>>13845860
Games are an artistic medium, it's just that these days there are people who confuse art with abstract 2deep4u hipster bullshit because we live in an age where modern art is taken seriously instead of thrown in a garbage can. There is art in writing, in visuals, in music, in the elegance of code optimization, and so there is art in vidya. It's just not what (((Games Journalists))) think it is.
73640d No.13845907
>Trying to make games as art
>Nothing but a walking simulator
>Gamers don't like it
>Game sells like shit
>Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND A-ART Y-YOU GOOBERGEEBER
Why do hipsters think that games are art?
61cc27 No.13845908
>>13845901
faggy walking simulators with no gameplay, gone home and the likes
61cc27 No.13845913
>>13845905
You're not wrong but honestly who gives a shit if it's considered art or not. It's just people who want their hobbies to be considered as more than just toys for grown ups (or not).
089517 No.13845918
All games are art. When people say "games aren't art" or "this game isn't art" what they mean is that it's not meaningful or that it's shitty art. From what I gathered from the article it sounds like this guy is just butthurt that people rightfully don't like his dogshit game. It's literally just him whining.
>>13845901
Pretentious hipster games.
fb775c No.13845920
No, games use art to create their world, stories, etc.
But if they game itself claims to be """art"""" then you know it is a pile of trash only meant for discarding.
c0ca4a No.13845921
>>13845901
a low-effort scam
5f1fc1 No.13845925
>>13845905
>Games are an artistic medium
ne'er e'er
02d4a0 No.13845926
>my game is shit and nobody likes it
>but it's youtube's fault!
This fucking guy.
4bc526 No.13845929
>>13845899
Post the full picture anon.
ca3838 No.13845931
>kids and teens don't like pretentious bullshit
I wonder why?
dcbed3 No.13845937
>>13845931
Because they saw their older brothers become pozzed and swung hard the other way?
8d1896 No.13845944
>>13845901
Pretentious Hipster shit.
>>13845907
Well, they need to justify insane speculation for toys somehow.
>>13845913
Its the games journalist as well. They are that one guy who didn't find a Job and then somehow ended up in a gaming outlet. Since they are jelly of the "real" subjects let's not kid ourselves. They are all hacks in all fields, the got the crack pot idea of fixing the public image of vidya itself. Thank God it backfired thanks to a certain sex scandal.
3679c4 No.13845948
>>13845941
/pol/ was right again
fb775c No.13845953
>>13845929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-VbtnSaYMs
Poignant to the topic at hand. Artists of old spent their entire lives working on the things they did.
The Da'Vinci's etc of old lived in shitty tenements like a slave at times to finish their projects spanning over their lives and lives of other.
In short, the best art has already been made, and unless your willing to dedicate your life to the craft, you will never match up. All your going to be is a glorified Deviant Artist making Anthony Burch tier characters for ever.
0c2a1c No.13845957
>>13845941
HOW FUCKING DARE THE GOYIM LAUGH AT MY ART
THIS IS A TOTAL HOLOCAUST
10a329 No.13845961
>>13845850
Any of you actually read the article? This faggot straight up admits his "game" is just a shitty zine about all kinds of pretentious shit and even repeatedly refers to it as a " "game" " while admitting that only hipster journos appreciate his navel gazing.. and then he goes on to blame youtube instead of himself for trying to sell a zine to people who want games.
ca3838 No.13845969
>>13845901
A game with no actual gameplay made for the sole purpose of pushing a shitty "message" or to "make the player think".
02d4a0 No.13845971
I once made a gay little interactive story in sugarcube. Am I an artist?
ce6ebc No.13845977
>>13845941
Pure coinkidink
0932c6 No.13845984
>>13845941
Every single time without fail.
b25534 No.13845986
>>13845948
Its getting to the point a poster on /pol/ could make up something so utterly ridiculous, so braindead stupid that 3 months later will turn out to be true.
God bless /pol/
ca3838 No.13845989
I looked at his twitter (@alienmelon) and wouldn't you know, the guy is a complete SJW.
1827c1 No.13845996
860c76 No.13846005
>>13845860
>Book can be an art
>Movie can be an art
>Paintings and poetry can be an art
>Vidya cant
I dont get it, vidya is just a medium like any other
f25d70 No.13846006
>>13845944
I still have my old Earthbound cart
It got scribbled all over with marker by my brother so it's worthless now
0470f8 No.13846011
>>13845850
>attacking youtube fags that normalfags and kiddies watch
these people are even more retarded than I thought
is there a limit to their retardation
02d4a0 No.13846013
>>13845971
>They (art games) also typically go out of their way to have a unique, unconventional look, often standing out for aesthetic beauty or complexity in design.
t. Wikipedia
So lets say I made an interactive dice roller/interactive visual novel about the life of Randy Stair.
Am I an artist now?
dcbed3 No.13846017
>>13846011
>squatted on another nation's land until it cried enough some acknowldge them as a nation
>they then proceed to annex their neighbors and shit on various nations
>during the internet age
>when the bad goyim are awakening
No, there isn't a limit to their retardation.
089517 No.13846018
>>13846013
As long as you're part of the indie clique, everything you make is an art game.
860c76 No.13846021
87bcfe No.13846046
>>13845850
>"By definition it’s interactive art that uses the game format as a way to convey these messages. It’s not necessarily a game in the traditional sense."
>"We have a right to be here. We just have to work hard on also carving out the space, and understanding, for them.
>"This isn’t really a game. It’s art. It matters that it’s different. We want it to be different."
>make stupid art game
>acknowledge it's a stupid art game
>acknowledge game is barely a game
>but want to be treated as if you made a real game
for what fucking purpose
3b7589 No.13846049
Let me post a few games I consider to be works of great art, but ones I've never seen pushed as such.
>Dark Souls
Yeah, I know. Meme away. But the game is wonderfully designed to feel just hard enough to be overcome for a strong catharsis. I feel it's artistic simply on the merit of how the world is put together, how your understanding of it grows naturally over time without needing to be shoved hard into your face. It's a work of art in the sense of making you feel strong, capable, and yet also weak and underequipped, leading to a strong sense of underdog achievement.
>Monster Hunter
Holy shit I have never felt more immersed in a game than playing this series. Everything about a hunt feels tense and dangerous. You never truly feel safe, even a Great Maccao or Jaggi can fuck your shit well into your 3-star hunts. The monsters feel like a natural part of the environment and the areas feel like an actual ecosystem. The game has an elegant, if slow, progression that is both from mechanical upgrades like better equipment to personal growth from learning how each monster fights.
Defeating your first large hunt is a feeling I've never had in any other game. Every single victory feels earned in a very powerful way, and that in and of itself is an artistic achievement.
Art doesn't just mean pushing a message, or looking nice, or being profound with words. It means creating emotion, sharing your own, and expanding the horizons of those that experience it. 'Art' is not a moniker of something great - there is shitty art, mediocre art, etc. Anything made simply for enjoyment and not for practical purpose is art - this is why sometimes cooking can be art - and videogames definitely fall into this. There's no real good argument against this definition, because any argument that games are not art leads to pushing out some other medium if you were to apply those standards to all art. Just because it's made for-profit doesn't mean it's not art, else movies, commissioned paintings/drawings aren't art. Just because it's made by a team or from multiple mediums doesn't mean it's not art, else (again) movies and animations could never be art. Just because it's enjoyable and fun to experience… I could go on and on.
dcbed3 No.13846057
>>13846049
>even a Great Maccao or Jaggi
>he's a nuMH fan
f25d70 No.13846063
>>13846060
This comedy writes itself.
02d4a0 No.13846066
3b7589 No.13846067
>>13846057
While I play the new ones, I can appreciate the older ones as well. Granted, I prefer the more smooth newer games, but I've played and gotten to 3-star hunts in the first game, because I make an effort to look into any game's previous iterations after I hop into a series late. Did the same shit with Witcher, Senran, etc.
860c76 No.13846068
>>13846066
no thats probably dolphin porn
fb775c No.13846070
>>13846060
This cant be real. What is this ?
f25d70 No.13846076
The problem isn't with games being art or not. It's with these pretentious fucktards' definition of "art".
6ee127 No.13846084
>>13845901
Walking simulators about LGBTBBQ people.
8c7b0f No.13846093
>>13846005
Games can be more than art. They can also impart feelings and provide experiences that other mediums cannot.
dcbed3 No.13846098
>>13846093
>implying music and books can't impart feelings and provide experiences
ce6ebc No.13846100
>>13846049
I consider Shatterhand and Gimmick to be art.
089517 No.13846102
02d4a0 No.13846107
>>13846102
it's an NES game. It's instantly art.
f25d70 No.13846116
I would actually welcome the inclusion of video games into the arts alongside literature and music and so on, but I don't want it to be under the auspices of people who think a woman jamming cans of Spaghetti-Os up her cunt is art.
0da1b9 No.13846120
They may as well say "YouTube culture" is turning kids against "post modern art"
Kids will stand in awe in front of actually beautiful art, they will naturally be captivated, but they'll be like "wtf is this?" and move on for random paintbrushes with some shit smeared next to it. Kids inherently understand value and beauty because it's something that's part of our biology, they have to be indoctrinated to believe that what is ugly actually has value, or even more value than what is actually beautiful.
The same goes with games. Kids know what game is boring and what's fun.
And the same with stories they know what they like and what's a snooze fest.
ca3838 No.13846123
I recommend you guys actually read this article.
It's mostly him whining about people not liking "alt-games", but he's being vague by what that means.
>Alt-games are different, and will be met with hostility. It seems like they represent something too many people believe shouldn’t be in games. They just should not exist.
>These games, by their uniqueness, automatically have a target painted on their back. It’s really cool to ridicule them. Games made by women automatically do too.
>I feel like, if you’re an event planners showing games like this to a totally consumer-oriented audience, you have to prepare the audience for it. The setting and context has to be differentiated. You have to create a space that basically screams “These Are Art Don’t Expect A Traditional Game!” You have to make some kind of point that people have to be open minded. Create a space that encourages respect. I’m not criticizing the event. These are just my observations after all this.
ca3838 No.13846125
>>13846123
>him
Sorry, it's a gurrrl behind this tripe.
8c7b0f No.13846137
>>13846098
They are limited due to their lack of interactivity.
f25d70 No.13846138
>>13846125
>her
I'll believe it when I see "her" cunt.
In any event, I know what the article said, and it's retarded shit that I expect out of VB. I'm not interested in talking about it, it's a waste of fucking time and it'll just make me angry. But talking about whether video games are seriously, truly art and not shitty fucking modern "art" is an interesting conversation.
089517 No.13846153
>>13846120
>The same goes with games. Kids know what game is boring and what's fun.
No they don't. Kids play the first level of game, dying over and over while having no clue what to do. Kids follow walkthroughs step by step for the entire game, doing nothing on their own. Kids play minecraft. Kids use cheatcodes to skip every single level in the game. Kids watch games youtube and twitch. Kids are fucking retarded.
d50e9b No.13846154
>waaah jewtubers are making things difficult for my walking simulators
leftists need to be killed
fb6033 No.13846159
>>13845901
Like one of those art paintings.
535c81 No.13846160
>>13846123
>Alt-games
Fucking sick of the "putting the alt- prefix on everything" meme.
8c7b0f No.13846166
>>13846098
Tension is a good example. Especially the type that occurs from being overwhelmed or low on resources.
87bcfe No.13846167
>>13846123
the article would've been fine if the point was that you should treat "art games" differently than "video games", and have appropriate conventions/meetups for either so people aren't bamboozled into having to deal with "experimental art game" bullshit at a vidya convention.
but instead she went on an autistic rant against youtubers for some reason so i'm not sure where that leaves it.
dcbed3 No.13846168
>>13846137
>press F to salute is a positive thing
The closest thing any game has got to this was killing the boss in MGS3 and even then no other game has really impacted you in a meaningful way through gameplay.
1aa111 No.13846173
>>13846153
Good riddance i had no cheats or guides when i was a kid to actually enjoy fucking video games. The only thing i had were word of mouth, gaming magazines and very rare tv shows.
d50e9b No.13846175
>people dont like walking simulators, never will, and I need a scapegoat: the article
b4522a No.13846176
>>13845850
Every single line in that article is doing a wonderful job of pissing me the fuck off.
>We don’t just throw a bunch of bullshit together and YOLO (although yes, we do that too, ok guilty as charged, but still). This isn’t really a game. It’s art. It matters that it’s different. We want it to be different.
Different is not better. Your brand of "different" is the active deconstruction and destruction of the medium. Literally making things worse for everybody that isn't in your clique.
>I really would like to encourage some constructive criticism toward Streamers and how they talk about these games. Just because some famous guy with whatever million followers plays it, this isn’t an “honor” or necessarily a good thing. It doesn’t really help sales, or exposure. The last time one did that I got a slew of hateful comments and email. It kind of hit me hard because this is also a personal game, and people will cater their attacks based on what they know I’ve been through.
No, you don't get to control what people think of your game. You interact with your audience and try to present a better product. I'm surprised she's intelligent enough to know how to write.
0da1b9 No.13846179
>>13846153
No, many kids have been indoctrinated to be like that.
Kids are naturally inquisitive and willing to explore and play and learn.
A kid doesn't cry when it falls over until it is taught to cry when it falls over.
535c81 No.13846184
>>13846176
>This isn’t really a game. It’s art.
Women in gaming were a mistake.
d50e9b No.13846185
>>13846153
>Kids play the first level of game, dying over and over while having no clue what to do.
That's called learning you fucking asshole.
>Kids are fucking retarded.
Kids are kids. And you're a piece of shit.
I don't even like kids.
dcbed3 No.13846186
>>13846153
That just means that the gameplay is good enough for the kid to replay it. If the game was boring then the kid would drop it and do something else.
Of course that was before the internet age, children now a days are dumb as a fucking brick.
9f933e No.13846189
>>13846184
>women
>not kikes
Women have been in gaming as a minority from the start.
535c81 No.13846194
>>13846189
How about women and kikes.
1aa111 No.13846195
>>13846189
>>13846184
Fuck off (((MGTOW))), i used to play with my girlfriends all the time.
dcbed3 No.13846198
>>13846194
>Oy vey, don't reproduce!
b4522a No.13846200
>>13846184
If we get rid of the jews the women will follow, and then the casuals too
fb6033 No.13846201
>When people are free to share their opinions on a channel that we don't control, they end up disagreeing with us
cf9443 No.13846205
>>13845953
Not really. With technology and the internet people learn faster than before.
f25d70 No.13846208
>>13846200
>women are incapable of being fucking horrid shitstains who ruin everything!
>my aryan princess awaits me somewhere out there!
Dude, you're fucking sad.
7da3cf No.13846212
>create a book without words
>this is art
>create a song that cannot be heard
>this is art
>create a meal that cannot be eaten
>this is art
>create a game without gameplay
<this isnt art???
94448c No.13846213
>>13845907
>>13845850
Did the article blame Gamergate and Donald trump
dcbed3 No.13846215
>>13846205
>With technology and the internet people learn faster than before.
>saying this when 2007 happened
9f933e No.13846216
>>13846194
No. Just kikes.
>>13846195
I bet they beat your ass at them to you bitch. :^)
dc4db5 No.13846217
>>13845901
This. But a video game.
captcha had fbi in it
9f933e No.13846220
>>13846217
I wonder if that cake tastes good.
92acf5 No.13846222
>>13845953
>mentions Da Vinci
>when the Mona Lisa is only famous because of it's history of theft
Unless you're telling me an artworks worth is only determined by it's selling value then I guess it makes more sense.
dc4db5 No.13846225
>>13846220
It probably tastes like famine and black guy.
6d6bfe No.13846228
>>13846220
No, it's an alt-cake.
b4522a No.13846231
>>13846208
>Putting this many words in my mouth
>Being this angry out of nowhere
Jesus, dude. You smell like mommy issues.
f37ab1 No.13846232
>>13845850
>Double fine is great!
>Those pesky youtubers are horrible!
What a complete kike. I find it hilarious that this person loved the journalists but suddenly couldn't take actual criticism and ran away.
dcbed3 No.13846234
>>13846220
>implying the left can do ANYTHING right
I bet the icing is store bought and the cake is dry as shit.
6b3e79 No.13846237
>>13846215
people get to mount stupid faster than ever, it's just they blockade themselves from getting better
f25d70 No.13846245
>>13846231
We know Jews ruin shit. We know. We also know that women ruin shit regardless of the presence of a Jew. Women are fucking incurable philistines and Schopenhauer was right and you damn well know it. Women can cook, but men are better chefs, better artists of the culinary sort. Women can sing prettily, but men are better musicians. Women at BEST imitate, at WORST corrupt arts they endeavor to become a part of. They are risk averse by nature and thus almost never do anything daring or interesting. Outliers exist, but by and large they are as Schopenhauer described.
6b3e79 No.13846249
>alt-games
makes me think of the alt-kike for some reason
357028 No.13846251
>>13846234
>the icing is store bought
The whole fucking cake is store bought.
d50e9b No.13846253
>>13846249
>alt-games
so not games? is that what he wants to say? he wants people to like not-games?
6b3e79 No.13846256
>>13846208
Woman are basically a canvas, one that is ver sucesptable
And right now the canvas is smeared with shit in some faggy art project and it's not clear on how to get it out
dcbed3 No.13846260
>>13846251
>wants to smash capitalism
>buys a pie with cash to promote his idea
f25d70 No.13846265
>>13846256
Women smeared themselves with shit because they successfully made everyone else too afraid to say "Ma'am, stop smearing yourself with shit". They smeared themselves with shit because they're fucking dumb.
5f1fc1 No.13846272
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>>13846260
he's eating it from within one cake at a time
dcbed3 No.13846275
>>13846265
>they successfully made everyone else
>implying it wasn't the kikes that were looking to shit on the west
I guess we should blame the whites for California getting as bad as it is if we are going to use your logic.
b4522a No.13846279
>>13846245
And if we didn't have the jew going on and on about feminism women would be perfectly OK with staying home or choose more feminine careers, except those outliers you mentioned. Trying to get to women before jews is putting the horse before the cart.
ce6ebc No.13846281
>>13846265
Artificial wombs when?
>a future without any kind of female power where only redpilled men matter and they can go their own way, all females are euthanized if they rebel from their positions of rightless cumsockets.
c248d7 No.13846282
So is this the Trad Art VS Abstracted Art debate again?
Traditional art is still right in the end "People can take pictures now" is not an excuse to draw worse
dd4c54 No.13846286
>"My point is that: Wow, streamers and YouTubers have created a steadily growing culture where it’s kosher and a fun pastime to laugh at these types of games."
>Tranny cries about teenager being teenagers
>He use the word kosher unironically
>Somehow has enough self awareness to realize the problem "I mean, I get it. The “game” doesn’t belong"
>Uses the experience to go ranting about toxic culture and virtue signal the need to brainwash teenagers into nu males while subtly hinting at the need for a safespace where host "Alt Games"
Fucking jews, this tranny crafted the article just to get shekels and PR.
6b3e79 No.13846290
>>13846265
Because of the Jew you retard
You blame a cattle for getting into a bandit's wagon while ignoring the herder that got the cattle in, in the first place
f25d70 No.13846293
>>13846275
Was Susan B. Anthony a kike? Was Elizabeth Cady Stanton a kike? Were the Wilsons kikes? Were the cunts responsible for the White Feather scandal kikes? Kikes are responsible for a lot of shit but sooner or later you're going to have to own up to the fact that women are fucking dumb and ruin shit unless they are kept firmly under thumb.
>>13846281
Not soon enough.
6b3e79 No.13846305
>>13846286
honestly it's jarring to see kosher as well as goy when it's used, by them rather than us
b4522a No.13846309
>>13846286
>Fucking jews, this tranny crafted the article just to get shekels and PR.
The first sentence in the article is mentioning her game. I have no idea how you would think this article could unfold.
1aa111 No.13846315
>>13846286
Certain british people love to repeat the word "kosher" over and over again, when they see something worth of approve.
748675 No.13846322
>>13846057
While he's still seems kind of new to the series, I feel he is correct on the whole for the series being art through its struggle and immersion. I remember back on the PS2 with the first Monster Hunter and having my adrenaline pumping when I did the first egg hunt as a young kid. Trying to slowly crawl down the mountain while the Rathlos shot fireballs like they were going out of style. Or when the you finally had to hunt the Rathlos the Elder was telling you was too strong back then. I remember hours of trying and failing, before I realized finally that there was no shame in bringing out all the stops for this hunt. I slowly learned how to avoid his attacks, built pitfalls and barrel bombs, all to finally down this thing. The sense of accomplishment for younger me was something else. just a shame my memory card got stolen a little while later. I think it does mean a lot in how well a game does to have you go through all that, teaching you it's good to make mistakes when you learn from them, when you do a mission to build yourself up for the bigger things, to put yourself or your group up against things far bigger than yourself and to come out on top. I think video games aren't art because they send a message. I think it's the journey that happens as you play. And I use the term play, not FUCKING WALK YOU GOD DAMNED HIPSTERS. But I think the philosophy of form following function should be first and foremost with games. Have your game be fundamentally solid. Then make them pretty or hamfist your message. That way we can still shit talk your game, but at least say, "Well For the Motherland: Stopping Imperialist Pigs 2 has a ridiculous message, but at least the gunplay and level design is good"
6b3e79 No.13846323
>>13846315
I wonder if certain New Yorkers and Berliners do as well
dcbed3 No.13846335
>>13846293
>implying those scenarios wouldn't happen regardless
>comparing women's rights from that era to the 1970+ (((women's rights)))
Like I said, your logic would blame whites for the world's problems instead of the jew. You are just being disingenuous instead of bringing anything substantial. All you prove is that women are gullible. Perhaps you can prove to us how drones waste their money next.
b462d1 No.13846339
>>13846275
Anon, just because the Jews encouraged them does not exonerate them from blame. You can hate both women and Jews at the same time, as can you niggers, spics, homosexuals, and all the other sewage humanity has accumulated over the millennia.
6b3e79 No.13846342
>>13846293
And who was responsible for enabling them
They would of done shit all if they hadn't been enabled
Also isn't Stanton a Kike name IIRC
d50e9b No.13846343
c248d7 No.13846349
>>13846339
Calm down Sam Hyde.
b4522a No.13846350
>>13846293
>All shit that was fucking nothing until the jew stepped in
b462d1 No.13846352
>>13846343
>you only punish the parent of an unruly child
>instead of slapping them both, one for being a failure of a parent, the other for being an annoying little shit
My shriveled heart has enough space in it to hate any number of people.
6b3e79 No.13846354
>>13846339
Well look the issue is unlike Jew, Niggers, Homosexuals, Niggers, Abos, Muzzies and all them, we kinda need Women to ensure the survival of our race until we can find a way of reproduction without women
f25d70 No.13846355
>>13846335
Are you going to tell me that there aren't whites dumb enough to further kike schemes? Are you going to tell me that there aren't whites evil enough to do kikey shit? Quit putting shit on pedestals, they have a bad habit of crumbling beneath the weight. Just because whites built the West doesn't mean there aren't whites dumb enough to want to destroy it, for fuck's sake.
b462d1 No.13846363
>>13846354
I know we need women (at least until iron wombs are a thing), but we don't need to give women rights, or to pretend they are equal.
dcbed3 No.13846365
>>13846355
And according to you if there is any undesirables then the entire faction needs to be wiped out. So we kill the women, then all the whites, and perhaps the jew if we have the time. Right moshie? :^)
b4522a No.13846366
>>13846339
You have to get your hate priorities in place. You can't hate niggers and homos the same you hate white women.
6b3e79 No.13846367
>>13846363
Of course not, I don't think that's what any of us are saying
b462d1 No.13846371
>>13846366
Of course I fucking can. At least with niggers you know they are just acting on their bestial instincts, women and faggots have no such excuse.
f25d70 No.13846372
>>13846350
The moment women had the vote it was over. Jews accelerated it, but women and a few stupid fucking dumbshit men signed the West's death warrant. Since when have you known a Jew to actually INVENT anything, for fuck's sake? They plagiarize and thieve.
f25d70 No.13846380
>>13846365
>And according to you if there is any undesirables then the entire faction needs to be wiped out.
I said nothing of the sort. Quit putting words in my mouth, faggot.
>hurr you're a jew hurr I win the debate
Except I'm not, and you don't, because you're a retard.
6b3e79 No.13846384
>>13846372
You could argue nukes, But then you can also argue that a lot of that work is stolen and misatrubted, remember John Trump worked on the Manhatten project but he wasn't heard of until his nephew ran for president
dcbed3 No.13846390
>>13846380
Okay, so you are whining about women without providing a reasonable solution? Sounds about right for a faggot who brags about owning an EB cart.
b462d1 No.13846399
>>13846372
It wasn't even women per se that "won" the vote, thirsty betas handed it to them on a platter.
>>13846384
>You could argue nukes
That's not even remotely true. The development of nuclear weaponry, or the whole branch of physics that relates to harnessing the atom and related sub-particles was only possible due to contributions of dozens of scientists from all over the world over the span of several decades, or centuries even. Einstein himself said that if he hadn't stumbled upon his research someone else would have.
034d79 No.13846410
>>13846234
>>13846251
>commies spending money in a free market economy to get the kind of cake they desire
ce6ebc No.13846415
>>13846371
Women should be gassed
f25d70 No.13846417
>>13846390
>Okay, so you are whining about women without providing a reasonable solution?
>weeeh give me a REASONABLE solution weeeh
I gave you the solution. Put women firmly back under thumb and fucking strip them of suffrage and preferential treatments across the board. You will claim it's unreasonable, and I'll call you a fucking faggot.
>Sounds about right for a faggot who brags about owning an EB cart.
I was young, it was fun and I wasn't bragging.
b462d1 No.13846418
>>13846390
>without providing a reasonable solution?
Take away their right to vote and deprogram the ones that you can and lobotomize and use as breeding stock those that are incurable.
>>13846415
Not until suitable replacements are found.
c248d7 No.13846420
>>13846410
To be fair
Even China admits communism is such a shit idea they have capitalism zones.
860c76 No.13846421
>>13846415
this
females are basically jews with vaginas
68671d No.13846432
>>13846421
That's kinda hot tbh.
6b3e79 No.13846436
>>13846432
is that done by the unulternbach guys?
f25d70 No.13846438
>>13846436
I thought it was Shadman.
3e8fcd No.13846440
>>13845868
>shitty meme walking simulator with tumblrtale levels of faggotry and a gore fetish
>>13845908
>gone home
You spelled that wrong.
>>13845986
>/pol/
/pol/ IS ALWAYS RIGHT
NO EXCEPTION
b4522a No.13846443
>>13846417
>Remove half of the world's population the rights to vote and work
I'm not claiming it's unreasonable, I know it's unreasonable. Are you actually proposing this or are you pulling my leg?
159fe2 No.13846446
>>13845941
>Wow
what? what does world of warcraft have to do with anything?
ce6ebc No.13846448
>>13846436
Did you know that the unterulterbulterabachinbach guy makes Rugrats porn.
f25d70 No.13846449
>>13846443
You're a fucking faggot and I'm a fucking prophet. Swear to fucking god. Defeatists.
358a89 No.13846454
>>13845850
>>13846060
Hold the fuck up. I recognize this "game" and I think I know what "YouTuber" it is he's specifically referreing to.
>Vinesauce Vinny occasionally dedicates a stream to weird games people send him (usually surreal walking sims or Unity engine meme games)
>gets to this game in particular
>basically click on a box and then rabbits will make EPIC NIHILISM XD jokes that make Rick and Morty look like fucking Veggietales by comparison
>Vinny gave it a shot, but was visibly getting uncomfortable as the "game" progressed due to all the "life sux may aswell kill ureself lol" humor being delivered through extremely grating helium voices keep in mind this is coming from a streamer who is very desensitized to surrealist/edgy shit due to streaming such content for a living
>everyone in the comments was calling the game a pretentious piece of shit that's just spewing nihilist tripe for edge's sake
I'm guessing Vinny's video was what got him all buttmad given that I never heard a peep about his "game" from other Jewtubers other than his Gettin' Weird With It streams, and I highly doubt any other Jewtuber even knows this soyboy's game even exists.
6b3e79 No.13846457
>>13846438
fuck it probably is, I guess his work seems different when it's not coloured
>>13846448
Yes I did, did you know Stu Pickles or at least his wife and children are Jewish
dcbed3 No.13846458
>>13846443
>implying fanatics can be reasonable
f48dff No.13846462
I consider The Void, Pathologic and EYE Divine Cybermancy as art games. I can't quite put my finger on it. They just seem so much more than video games or just art.
ce6ebc No.13846464
>>13846457
>jewish incest BABY hentai
Truly germans are dead.
b4522a No.13846466
>>13846449
>Propose something that would cause a WW2 tier shitstorm
>"Anon that's a bad idea"
>"Wow stop being a fag any time :)"
I honestly don't know what to write. Do you have any perspective issues of sort?
722acc No.13846470
>>13846417
>Make an unreasonable claim
>Declare that you're the victor when people call you unreasonable
Nu-/pol/ argumentation at it's finest.
4b745b No.13846471
>>13846217
Given how sickly that thing looks I wonder if it purged after it ate only a teaspoon full.
17e541 No.13846474
>>13845866
Walk Simulators. That's exactly what they're referring to. People prefer watching a "hahafunne let us play boy" youtuber/streamer play through them instead of wasting their money on a game that is boring in and of itself.
b462d1 No.13846476
>>13846443
>it's unreasonable to exterminate the Jew
>it's unreasonable to sterilize the nigger, spic and mudshit
>it's unreasonable to round up the leftists and summarily execute them
What is your brilliant strategy to fix society's ills?
6b3e79 No.13846478
>>13846464
from the creators of Jew rapes every child in German Villiage to save it from another Jew
f25d70 No.13846482
>>13846466
Big problems require big fucking solutions, jackass. But by all means, keep thinking small.
70057f No.13846485
>>13845850
Yeah, because it couldn't possibly be "art games" are complete shit.
1ef9b3 No.13846489
>>13846443
What do you guys think of a family vote? That would also keep fags and childless commies from voting.
>>13846462
>Pathologic
Should I wait for the actual remake to finish or go for the remastered hd edition?
>>13846482
How do we get there though?
803df2 No.13846491
>>13846006
Dry-erase markers can be used to remove sharpie and other permanent markings, even ball point pen ink. If the surface is glossy, or at least not porous, scribbling on the markings with a dry erase marker will lift the old ink up, letting you wipe it clean. Of course, those giant metal markers that smell like an oil refinery tended to use ink that would bleed into plastic, flesh, or anything less dense than lead.
ae49f9 No.13846492
>>13845986
We're also at the point where the average /pol/ user is from reddit or some other namefag site. I didn't think you could type like a normalfag while posting things about national socialism but every time I go there I'm proven wrong.
b462d1 No.13846496
>>13846489
>Should I wait for the actual remake to finish or go for the remastered hd edition?
The remake is going to be very different. You can play the HD version.
>How do we get there though?
Have enough white people pissed off enough that they realize genocide is actually a viable alternative.
f25d70 No.13846499
>>13846489
>How do we get there though?
Consider that voter turnout is already at record lows. Convince women that voting is a racket, a scam, pointless and worthless. Simultaneously, oust politicians who pander to women as a voting bloc, by hook or by crook. This is a start.
6ec751 No.13846502
>>13845918
Their (((art))) is not compatible for the vidya format.
dcbed3 No.13846504
>>13846476
>implying the jew doesn't have laundry list of crimes so atrocious that every nation will be calling for their blood if it ever becomes public knowledge
>implying sterilizing entire races won't create a WW3 tier clusterfuck that would ensure it would the US vs everyone else with the jew taking the upper hand of the situation
>implying the leftist won't follow their jew master
For someone with as grandiose ideas you sure don't have a lot of foresight.
f25d70 No.13846507
>>13846499
Nota bene: you will find that in ousting most of those politicians, you will oust a lot of kikes.
c248d7 No.13846512
>>13846440
>tumblrtale
>Toby came here when the demo was out for game feature suggestions
Get your enemy of the state revisionist bullshit out, you fucking commie.
b462d1 No.13846513
>>13846504
You do realize that the only reason spics, niggers and mudshits act like they do is because whites tolerate it, right? Once the Jew is removed there is really nothing stopping us from carpet bombing non-white countries into submission. Hell, you could just as easily roll out the biological weapons and let them do the work.
f25d70 No.13846520
>>13846513
Biologicals have a nasty habit of backfiring.
ce6ebc No.13846522
>>13846512
Pics or it didn't happen.
f48dff No.13846528
>>13846489
>Should I wait for the actual remake
I dunno as I haven't really paid any attention to the remake so I don't know what they're going to change. If it's just QoL and texture/model upgrades then wait for it. That said, the 3rd world tier graphics is kinda endearing, especially because of the setting.
b462d1 No.13846530
>>13846520
I'm reasonably sure the military wouldn't have been developing biological weapons if they didn't have the assurance they would backfire on them. They either have the cure or the virus burns out so quickly it doesn't spread out of the targeted area.
dcbed3 No.13846534
>>13846513
That's true, and depending on the nation the only ones that would cry would be the good goy UN members. Though >>13846520 is right, not to mention that's a completely different ball game compared to bombing your belligerent neighbor's borders while securing your own.
b7f1f7 No.13846537
>>13846440
>/pol/
/pol/ IS ALWAYS RIGHT
NO EXCEPTION
Sure. But sometimes not everyone wants to listen to /pol/ because it's depressing. So that's why we ask them to go back.
f25d70 No.13846538
>>13846530
The military does all kinds of stupid shit and they've abandoned most of their biowarfare programs IIRC.
b4522a No.13846548
>>13846476
First you remove the fuck out of (((mainstream media))), which at this point doesn't seem so far fetched. Then you promote nationalism and eliminate jewish schools of thought. Then you progress into an ethnostate, and then you go from there.
I know my answer is pretty much full of holes but at least I try to make it as sensible as possible. You can't go around removing people's rights and outright advocating genocide at such scale, you're going to fail 100%
>>13846482
Big problems require clever solutions. You'd just throw the world into chaos, make another hundred fucking problems and and then go mad when you realize shit isn't so simple.
c248d7 No.13846552
>>13846522
Nigger the stay with toriel ending came from here.
The original ending was just you going home to your human family in an earthbound sort of way.
b462d1 No.13846554
>>13846534
Complete erradication of the browns and blacks is the only safe way to ensure they cannot be weaponized against whites ever again. It's also a way to guarantee humanity a few more centuries of comfortable survival without the vermin eating up all the resources without giving anything back.
>>13846538
Because the (((UN))) said their use was a war crime. All the UN ever does in terms of military matters is make sure white armies fight with one hand tied behind their backs.
f25d70 No.13846555
>>13846548
I didn't say it was simple, and the world is already in chaos or haven't you been fucking paying attention?
ce6ebc No.13846558
>>13846552
where are the pics?
ec6ab9 No.13846560
>>13846260
Or even better.
>wants to smash capitalism
>doesn't even know how to cook or how to be self reliant
d668ab No.13846563
>>13846537
>/pol/ is like always so cool and right!11
Fuck off 12 year old, you're the same cancer that flooded in on /b/ 10 years ago when Fox aired "hackers on steroids"
c248d7 No.13846565
b462d1 No.13846570
>>13846548
>Then you progress into an ethnostate
I'd much rather progress into a pan-white alliance.
>You can't go around removing people's rights and outright advocating genocide at such scale, you're going to fail 100%
Oh, I wouldn't screech about muh real Holocaust like some sperg, I am just outlining what the endgoal needs to be to ensure the survival of the white race.
b4522a No.13846571
>>13846555
The world is in chaos but you shouldn't try to mess with it unless you're certain you're not going to make it worse.
f25d70 No.13846575
>>13846554
Fuck the UN, I think their use is as likely to get our people killed as theirs. God only knows what happens if one of the strains we release mutates, for fuck's sake. Biologicals aren't neat and clean and don't always go away when you want them to.
6b3e79 No.13846579
>>13846489
That would remove me from voting though
ce6ebc No.13846580
>>13846565
I don't want to get AIDS by typing that url.
dcbed3 No.13846581
>>13846554
>Complete erradication of the browns and blacks is the only safe way to ensure they cannot be weaponized against whites ever again.
>if we destroy the gun then it can never harm us again! :^)
>implying the byzantine empire or Mesoamerican civilization suddenly never existed
Like I said, your plans are ill thought out and you come off like a fanatic who thinks bombing a federal building will solve everything. Congrats faggot, you are blackpilled.
f25d70 No.13846583
c248d7 No.13846589
>>13846570
>Pan-White Alliance
b462d1 No.13846590
>>13846575
>God only knows what happens if one of the strains we release mutates
Like I said, most bio weapons are designed to quickly burn out to minimize uncontrolled spread. If you're so asshurt we can just douse the whole of Africa in nerve gas, I don't give a shit.
Also, the only useful thing about the UN is the Security Council.
>>13846581
>byzantine empire
>brown
>Mesoamerican civilization
>shit nobody gives a fuck about
You okay there rabbi?
b7f1f7 No.13846593
>>13846563
Dude what are you talking about? I was criticizing the /pol/ack for screeching.
c248d7 No.13846596
>>13846580
Then suffer in ignorance and accept revisionism robbing you of your history and weaponized against you.
dcbed3 No.13846597
>>13846590
>You okay there rabbi?
Now who's calling who a jew? Keep larping though, i'm sure that dotr will happen any day now. :^)
1ef9b3 No.13846598
>>13846579
Just fake being straight. It's not that hard.
Knock up your wife a few times and no one will ask questions.
Except you do it too obviously like pic related.
f25d70 No.13846599
>>13846590
Why bother? Africa's going to kill itself the moment the gibs stop flowing to it.
bccd65 No.13846603
>>13846091
Funny how people forget the Genesis also had an art game.
b462d1 No.13846609
>>13846599
Niggers will eat all the animals and plant life before they die like the vermin they are. I don't want the animals to suffer, so hitting high density population centers with rat poison is the only solution I see.
941352 No.13846610
>>13846599
>Africa's going to kill itself the moment the gibs stop flowing to it.
If the gibs don't come to them they come to the gibs.
6b3e79 No.13846611
>>13846512
>here
8chan wasn't a thing when the demo came out
b4522a No.13846612
>>13846570
>pan-white alliance
I hadn't thought of such a thing. That sounds like a pretty good idea. If we could get rid of the (((media))) constantly berating whites for existing that sounds like something possible, specially if blacks and shitskins keep being so fucking stupid.
ec6ab9 No.13846625
>>13846609
The animals are going to die anyway if the bite any of the niggers.
Let's face it. Africa is doomed, and the last african animals that will be saved are in the zoo.
edbedb No.13846628
>>13845850
>My game “Everything is going to be OK” was included in Double Fine’s Day of the Devs.
Yeah, no wonder why no one gave a shit about her "art" piece.
c248d7 No.13846632
f25d70 No.13846636
>>13846610
I think you underestimate their pitiable laziness, but it can't be ruled out.
>>13846609
More worried about them destroying their environment in total but keep in mind no gibs means an uncured ebolAIDS epidemic that ravages them unchecked.
f48dff No.13846642
>>13846628
Wait, is this the game where you have a manual and you shout instructions on how to diffuse a bomb to your friend? That game is actually pretty cool. It's like a digitized board game.
5f9577 No.13846644
>>13846632
October 2013 came after May 2013.
b462d1 No.13846645
>>13846612
It's one way to stop whites from fucking themselves over by fighting pointless wars against each other.
>>13846625
Then we can just figure out a way to sterilize niggers without them finding out about it and let nature take its course.
>>13846636
>an uncured ebolAIDS epidemic that ravages them unchecked
It's unchecked as it is. They breed faster than AIDS, malaria and Ebola can kill them.
941352 No.13846649
>>13846636
>I think you underestimate their pitiable laziness
I factored that in, of course.
Eurabia will take them all in, on their own money even.
edbedb No.13846653
6b3e79 No.13846655
b4522a No.13846656
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13846642
>Wait, is this the game where you have a manual and you shout instructions on how to diffuse a bomb to your friend?
No. It's not.
c248d7 No.13846663
>>13846644
Maybe it was around christmas then, apologies though, my memory isn't very good after around 3 years. Though I do distinctly remember at some point before the game came out one of "us", being, people browsing at the time in those particular threads, before the game came out, somebody had emailed them and he had stated that he had, in fact, been browsing the threads.
3e8fcd No.13846668
ce6ebc No.13846678
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13846656
That video is shilling for tthe game
122b68 No.13846685
the fucking worst part is he acts like he represents all "surrealist games" and ignores that games like Yume Nikki and a bunch of other surreal japanese games have followings because they're actually fucking fun to play
3e8fcd No.13846694
0c9ba2 No.13846701
>>13846217
Isn't that the board owner of /leftypol/?
ce6ebc No.13846704
>>13846693
I'm ok with loli but this is just sick.
68671d No.13846708
>>13846489
Honestly the best solution would probably be a lottery in stead of voting.
b4522a No.13846709
>>13846678
>Read description
>Dev's twitter, game's official page and dev's fucking vlog listed
<(I'm a fool uploading this 1.5 GB video, but the game is really good and deserves to be famous xd)
I-it's just the developer trying to do viral marketing, is it?
ec6ab9 No.13846711
>>13846656
I'm fucking tired of all those (((meta))) games acting more like malware.
Fuck art games.
6b3e79 No.13846713
>>13846598
I'm nota faggot, I just would have no fucking clue at all on how to get gf
f48dff No.13846715
>>13846656
>>13846653
Goddamn. I feel insulted seeing that.
ce6ebc No.13846726
>>13846709
The channel is filled with pretentious shit like that, so probably.
e999f2 No.13846733
>>13845859
Videogames can be art, but they are a form of art that is unique unto it's own media - can only be properly expressed when played by someone skilled at the game, and has more in common with craftsmanship and athletics than it does with music, theater, literature, etc. It encompasses aspects of other art forms, but is not an offshoot of them.
Artfags just want to shoehorn videogames into pre-existing accepted "art" pidgeonholes for wider cultural validation and because they are lazy unimaginative fucks who can't even recognize that their own precious traditional art mediums are largely either money laundering scams or mass-market, hyper-commecial, pre-assembled dross devoid of any scrap of soul or meaning lest they offend a potential paying customer.
c0cb1d No.13846739
>>13845850
>alt-games
>muh difficult situations: the not-game
>either your love it or you don't get it
>the press loved my game, but the kiddies didn't "get" this reflection of my tortured soul
<I occasionally come to make sure they didn't delete the game from the operating system of the show PC
>waaaaaaaaaah I was harassed
>pls gibs Zoe Quinn notoriety and patreon bux
>muh safe space pls
>muh streamers and e-celebs are TOXIC and PROBLEMATIC because they cannot be controlled
>they don't REALLY influence sales
> but somehow they manage to negatively influence the kids
>but I don't have any evidence to suggest that this is true, only my FEELINGS
>that's ok, because that's all that matters, I don't need to make my case and prove it to you using relevant data
If I didn't know better, I'd say it was satire.
6b3e79 No.13846740
ce6ebc No.13846746
>>13846734
This is probably the most pretentiousness ever made.
ce6ebc No.13846752
>>13846746
pretentious game*
122b68 No.13846756
I love that the only defense for this game is that the people who like it "relate to it" and act like it's healthy that they do.
What a horrible mindset.
034d79 No.13846758
>>13845941
(((NATHALIE LAWHEAD))) ???
b4522a No.13846768
>>13846734
>Art is by nature free
Artists get hired to do stuff and have been selling their stuff since someone was decent enough at art to warrant a price for their craft. Shut up and learn what a good videogame plays and looks like.
1ef9b3 No.13846770
>>13846713
Learn some skills or suck it up then.
Seriously, you probably haven't tried very hard have you?
ce6ebc No.13846773
>>13846758
>Alienmelon
Why do women always use these stupid "lel so quirky xd" names?
b4522a No.13846778
>>13846758
Pure coincidence
3bd035 No.13846784
>>13846734
so, can i borrow the mona lisa painting? it's only fair since it's free
c8efa7 No.13846802
An "art game" isn't really a game. If it were a game it would be called something else.
>>13846006
>>13846491
Try organic solvents. If you're precise with them it will easily remove the pigment. A correct solvent may also dissolve the plastic but its already worthless and if it wasn't attacked when the original writing was done.
In fact that's all markers are: a very small amount of dye dissolved in an organic solvent that evaporates quickly leaving just the ink behind. It will wash away, just not in water.
e7f104 No.13846815
>>13846222
>Da Vinci is only famous for Mona Lisa
>not his murals
>not his sketches on figure drawing / anatomy
>not his understanding of geology and cartography
>not his doohickeys that were way too advanced for its time
What a wasted trips on a mouthbreathing retard. Sure, there might not be alot of artist such as Da Vinci who was also a Omnidisciplinary artist, since being a genius is rare. But to only know someone by their best know works (which itself rather lackluster compared to his best) is a pleb mindset.
>>13846372
>women had the vote
I thought the Finns had that first? Can a finnanon explain in detail?
9ff825 No.13846824
>>13846734
>(((art)))
>free
32b8ee No.13846829
>>13846678
Jesus Christ this looks obnoxious.
>>13846733
>Artfags just want to shoehorn videogames into pre-existing accepted "art" pidgeonholes for wider cultural validation
Yup. The worst part is that they never do anything interesting mechanically. Where the fuck are the chaos simulators? Why hasn't anyone tried to make an extremely detailed politics game? And I mean detailed as in "you have a congress with 200 participants and they all have defined personalities". Videogames got fucked artistically, since they came after art went to shit, i.e. started being completely about the message and not about the skill of the craft. The worst part is that would be at least passable if the message was at least deep, but art nowadays is just "lel lets just shit on everything arent i the prettiest subversive" and the message is always more or less "people are hell man". Subverting shit got so tired that reconstructing grand ideals is way more subversive now than questioning the meaning of art for the 30 hyperbillionth time.
Postmodernism was a fucking trainwreck. It could've worked as a precision tool but no, it had to cascade downwards into shit.
984edb No.13846841
>>13846176
>deconstruction
your giving these fucking Niggers WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much credit
Deconstruction implies they understand the parts which make a decent game
755d8d No.13846856
>>13846440
>it's another /leftypol/yp tries to false flag and rewrite history
6ec751 No.13846863
>>13846537
>/pol/ is always right
/pol/ is wrong about Net Neutrality being gone as a "good thing".
e3cb9e No.13846865
c248d7 No.13846867
>>13846863
Technically the situation is more complicated than that but short term for those that have local isp options Net Neutrality being gone is a good thing.
7df3d0 No.13846869
>>13845905
>>13845918
Agreed. The idea of "artistic" games is fine in itself, if you want to explore some retarded aspect in an abstract way, fine, but you can't cry about it when the masses don't give a shit about it because it isn't fun or entertaining in any way. The fags that push this shit don't want to face that fact that first and foremost, games are meant to be entertainment. Just like you can't expect "Beta Male: The Anthony Burch Story" to outsell "Summer Action Explosion Festival 7" at the box office, you shouldn't expect your political feminist walking simulator to make Call of Duty type sales.
6ec751 No.13846874
>>13846867
I hope this is some retarded "Muh 4D Chess" thing where Trump will also break down ISP monopolies. Losing Net Neutrality might cost Trump his second term.
d9daf9 No.13846875
>>13846440
I don't trust faggots who think they're always right. Sketchy motherfuckers like that can go fuck themselves off a cliff
dbe54c No.13846883
>>13845907
>>13845850
>walking simulator
Maybe these assholes need to learn that making an overpriced single player game that 's 1-2 hours long with no replayability and very little gameplay no matter what "meaning" and "message" they try to put in to it.
Even early point and click adventure game have more respect because they at least put in actual puzzles (before they got convoluted solutions) and writing that can be funny and can possibly have alternative writing when can only be seen when replaying it.
If anyone here wants the "pretentious walking simulator art game" to die there need to be the creation of a parody walking simulator game (released as a free mod), akin to how movie parodies (like Airplane) signal the end of certain movie genres (airplane disaster movies).
c248d7 No.13846886
>>13846874
Potentially the loss of the "protections" people had could lead to the issues of a heavily centralized telecommunication industry could force the government's hand to actually unfuck the monopoly situation with companies refusing to allow competitors to operate. In addition it would be unlikely to be fiscally sustainable for companies to throttle any heavier than they already do.
b4522a No.13846890
>>13846863
>Inb4 we all somehow end up being better after net neutrality gets fucked
>>13846869
I wouldn't give a shit if artistic games also tried to be good games. But if a game doesn't even try on the visual, audio, gameplay and storytelling departments I doubt any sort of "art" quality is going to make it hold up.
6ec751 No.13846891
>>13846886
Long before Net Neutrality was a thing, I remember seeing many ISPs and now they are gone only leaving Comcast and AT&T.
8fc560 No.13846898
>>13845905
>Games are an artistic medium
Nope.
>There is art in writing, in visuals, in music
>so there is art in vidya
Just because something contains art does not make something art in and of itself; game play, the thing that separates games from movies and books and music, is not fucking art.
>>13845913
>but honestly who gives a shit if it's considered art or not. It's just people who want their hobbies to be considered as more than just toys for grown ups (or not).
This. Anyone who claims games are "art" is an insecure faggot who can't nut up and admit they enjoy electronic toys for fun.
>>13846005
>vidya is just a medium like any other
>implying mediums = art
You are dumb nigger.
>>13846137
>interactivity = emotional impact
You really are a dumb nigger who needs to read some books instead of playing video games.
432e8f No.13846900
>>13846446
I logged in a month ago, as I do a yearly checkup on the state of the game for a few weeks and I can say trade chat in my server is the basically /r/Thedonald and filled with kekistanfags and other kinds of retard that are on par with youtube comments.
c248d7 No.13846905
>>13846891
Yeah, because Comcast and AT&T bought most of their cable rights and instead of the government doing their job and telling them to fuck off and forcing them to break up their company they basically signed a paper that said "Please don't be shitheads, k?"
And it ultimately did very little if nothing, because companies still totally throttle the fuck out of you hoping you don't sue, because you think they can't because it's a law.
fcad4f No.13846908
>>13845850
>>13845925
Then you have this,
http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art
In this article, Kellee Santiago gave three games to Roger Ebert to play in order to make the case that video games can be art:
1) Waco Resurrection
2) Braid
3) Flower
Let me ask why did she picked these games. These are terrible choices to give him. One is a weird take on the shooter genre. One is "It's Mario but a twist!" which only works on someone already familiar with Mario. The last one is blowing fucking flower petals.
http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/okay-kids-play-on-my-lawn
Eventually, Roger Ebert decided that he doesn't really understand video games enough to give a good answer. He said that Shadow of the Colossus came the closest. From the sound of it, he just wants to stop being bother by these "please notice me senpai!" fags.
At least, he didn't die being some stupid mouth piece…
8fc560 No.13846909
>>13846733
>Videogames can be art
Wrong. They can contain art, but gameplay isn't art.
>money laundering scams or mass-market, hyper-commecial, pre-assembled dross devoid of any scrap of soul or meaning lest they offend a potential paying customer.
You just described 90 percent of the games industry.
8fc560 No.13846916
>>13846908
Ebert may have been a oil drilling libtard, but he was right. More so, why the fuck did these art niggers think a 70 year old man, who's expertise was in movies, needed to validate MUH GAMES R ART movement
df315f No.13846924
>>13846005
>I dont get it, vidya is just a medium like any other
One major distinction is that you can interact with games. Would you call chess, poker or football art? Although, to be fair "art games" have very little interaction so maybe you have a point.
ce6ebc No.13846929
>>13846924
Art is only paintings and music duh.
7744b2 No.13846933
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>>13845907
<hipster game designer
The truth is a little scarier.
fcad4f No.13846939
>>13846916
>More so, why the fuck did these art niggers think a 70 year old man, who's expertise was in movies, needed to validate MUH GAMES R ART movement
Because they think that prostrating yourself is a great way to gain respect. Also, these guys are mostly failed movie makers.
89b81f No.13846946
>>13845866
>>13845879
>>13845901
the distinction should be between commercial/entertainment art games and fine/conceptual art games. the problem is that the creators of the latter keep trying to make their work succeed through commercial avenues when that setting is completely wrong for what they're doing. steam is the vidya equivalent of costco, it's where people go for cheap mass entertainment. you go there to get 200 corndogs for a fiver, not to look at a rothko.
setting aside for a moment that most of these fine art games are irredemable trash made by idiots who think too highly of what they're doing and never even make an effort to create a solid mechanical core to their games, they should be aiming for grants and exhibitions; settings where the audience and expectations are actually appropriate for this kind of work.
61cc27 No.13846956
>>13845941
every fucking time
b4522a No.13846957
>>13846908
>Why are gamers so intensely concerned, anyway, that games be defined as art? Bobby Fischer, Michael Jordan and Dick Butkus never said they thought their games were an art form. Nor did Shi Hua Chen, winner of the $500,000 World Series of Mah Jong in 2009. Why aren't gamers content to play their games and simply enjoy themselves? They have my blessing, not that they care.
>Do they require validation? In defending their gaming against parents, spouses, children, partners, co-workers or other critics, do they want to be able to look up from the screen and explain, "I'm studying a great form of art?" Then let them say it, if it makes them happy.
>I allow Santiago the last word. Toward the end of her presentation, she shows a visual with six circles, which represent, I gather, the components now forming for her brave new world of video games as art. The circles are labeled: Development, Finance, Publishing, Marketing, Education, and Executive Management. I rest my case.
71548d No.13846975
Videogames are not art. (((Art))) itself is a money laundering scheme run by racketeers.
61cc27 No.13846980
>>13846217
These people are living parodies. What the fuck
df315f No.13846982
efd3b7 No.13846992
>>13846980
The stereotypes had to come from somewhere.
2bcdbb No.13846993
>games that are actually art
>dwarf fortress
>planescape torment
>deus ex
>vtmb
>fallout 1/2
>games soyboys think are art
>undertale
>indie pixel art walk right simulator #2154135132
>anything pretentious and vague enough that they can fill the void of real creativity with their asshole sniffing
089517 No.13846997
>>13846560
I thought the whole point of communism was to not be self reliant.
b38c32 No.13847001
>>13846993
Holy shit, that's accurate cosplay.
53c19b No.13847005
>>13845850
I love the salt, but that doesn't mean post-modernism was a mistake. A meme that needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
d50e9b No.13847008
>>13846829
someone needs to give that cat a tap between the ears.
indignant little bastard shit
ce6ebc No.13847012
>>13846993
Games aren't art.
2bcdbb No.13847014
>>13847004
>soyboys
>playing any of those games
you probably couldn't get half of them running
2bcdbb No.13847020
>>13847012
art is subjective :^)
9f7a74 No.13847021
>>13847014
Most people who've "played" those games just watch someone else play it.
da4c4e No.13847023
>>13846908
>At least, he didn't die being some stupid mouth piece…
Yeah, at least he did not become Bill Nye
6ee127 No.13847030
>>13846829
>And I mean detailed as in "you have a congress with 200 participants and they all have defined personalities".
Liberal Crime Squad is close.
6d7537 No.13847034
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>>13846656
I didn't know activity centers were in style again.
df315f No.13847046
>>13846457
>I guess his work seems different when it's not coloured
Unless he's improved recently, I don't think it's actually him.
b4a4cc No.13847050
>>13846933
opinions aside, I'd bang the math girl
9876e7 No.13847051
>>13846733
britney still passes as a human being but gaga is another one of those idiot women who shaves their eyebrows off so of course she'll look like a fucking aylmao without makeup. Course lots of chicks do this shit
>uwaa i shave my eyebrows off and wear 3 layers of chemicals every day and its MENs fault that i look bad without makeup
same for broads who constantly dye their hair and inevitably it looks like shit down the line because they keep dumping chemicals into their scalp
ce6ebc No.13847057
>>13847034
I used to play shit like this all the time as a kid. I had some Winnie Pooh shit.
419712 No.13847059
>>13846704
Let's be honest, would you rather have toddlercon, or deal with more of this jewish art game trash?
7855cb No.13847075
>>13846733
>>13847051
Honestly, Britney Spears looks marginally better without makeup.
6d7537 No.13847081
>>13847057
I think I got a power rangers activity center once for christmas but the only result I can find with a search looks nothing like it.
91ddd4 No.13847095
>>13846212
You're making the assumption that any of that is art.
649f87 No.13847201
>>13845907
It's entirely materialistic if you dig deeper. None of these manlets actually a) know what art is and b) are interested in producing art. What they are entirely interested in is government grants for culture and arts. If making shitty walking simulators are considered art by higher society, guess which soyboys getting some sweet government money to churn out literal trash.
e999f2 No.13847243
>>13846185
>That's called learning you fucking asshole.
Bullshit. They don't learn a goddamned thing. They die, over and over and over again to the simplest shit - and rather than develop their focus and motor coordination, or try to figure out the logic of the game, they will cry that it's too hard - then pop out the cartridge or exit to the dashboard or whatever and immediately start up some other game to repeat the cycle. They'll go through every goddamned game you have just looking for one that basically plays itself with little to no input from them. You have to put your foot down and limit them to exactly ONE game per play session - or at least require that they beat the current stage/mission/whatever before they can switch.
9 times out of 10, they'll walk the fuck off and go play with Legos or beat the cat or something.
Kids today are pampered little shits who's parents and teachers have drank so deep from the "self-esteem movement" koolaid that the little spergs simply can't handle anything that doesn't let them coast through on minimum effort and reward them with a gold star.
88d4cc No.13847266
>>13845929
>no picture of the dragon
I'm always disappointed
649f87 No.13847276
>>13847243
>Kids today are pampered little shits who's parents and teachers have drank so deep from the "self-esteem movement" koolaid that the little spergs simply can't handle anything that doesn't let them coast through on minimum effort and reward them with a gold star.
Not the only thing. I also blame abundance for this. I started with vidya with a 8-bit console and a small colour TV my mum's cousin left for me when he started working offshore. He only had 3 games. Street Fighter, Contra and Super Mario Bros. Sure I'll get my ass kicked at all 3 games because I'm fucking 5. But when I got stuck in Contra and I couldn't think up a way to advance, I move on to SMB. Once the same happens in SMB, I move on back to contra for a second try or go vent out in SF getting my ass kicked by chun li for the 10th million time. I'll think up strategies in the shower, over dream up ways to beat the level in my naps and sleep and try to realize them in game when I woke up. I was 5 and my world of gaming was limited to these 3 titles because there wasn't an internet culture screaming about which next hype train to jump on. The internet consisted of a noisy singing box my father would use to check stock price listings and shitpost in message boards. Until I was 12 and my parent got me a second hand PS1 after I convinced them to foot half the price, my gaming world was limited.
79d65f No.13847296
>>13846874
It's not. It's just Trump being the controlled opposition he's supposed to be. Same shit would have happened under Hillary, only it wouldn't have been denounced like it was.
e999f2 No.13847359
>>13847276
Yeah, I can see your point there. My family was skirting the poverty line when I was growing up, and while they could afford to buy video games consoles and a PC and shit - they had a rule. I wouldn't get new shit until I finished what they already bought us. Not that I had a whole lot of choice in games early on anyhow, since for some reason my parents decided to go with a TI 99/4A instead of a C64, and a SMS instead of a NES. Looking back, I'm ok with their decision, but it kind of sucked as a kid since literally nobody in my area knew what the fuck those systems were - and their libraries were limited. I didn't really start getting access to my own shit until I started getting an allowance, and when we got our 386 PC and I was pirating games from my local BBS.
fb6033 No.13847415
>>13846212
Maybe it's shit art that no one wants.
2554c6 No.13847448
From the gamer gate thread
92acf5 No.13847588
>>13846815
>implying anyone mentions Da Vinci and "best art ever made" when not referring to the Mona Lisa
Nice reading comprehension faggot. Can you name the best work Da Vinci has ever made by name? Anon stated that nothing could be made to rival his work so give me some examples by name.
8cefda No.13847592
>>13846184
>implying the women propagated that shit, let alone started it
That's a funny way to say "liberals"
a042f8 No.13847608
>>13846454
has he posted the stream on his full sauce channel yet?'
91ddd4 No.13847650
>>13846924
I wouldn't call chess an art, but the physical components (board, pieces) are a good artistic medium. I would call a well-constructed and pleasant to look at chess set art.
c248d7 No.13847674
>>13847296
>Same shit would have happened under Hillary, only it wouldn't have been denounced like it was.
>Hillary Clinton
>Dismantling anticompetition legislation
>Implying she wouldn't have imposed broader legislation to strangle small ISPs to the direct benefit of the big 3
a042f8 No.13847676
>>13846137
I felt more sadness when reading about the Ents in Lord of the Rings then I ever did when playing a video game.
a1e3b7 No.13847698
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>>13847676
>What do they look like?
<I don't remember now.
That line breaks my heart.
df315f No.13847728
>>13847650
>I would call a well-constructed and pleasant to look at chess set art.
True, a well-constructed chess set can be considered art, and you could even say the same for a video game's box art. But games are made to be played, not collect dust on a shelf.
a042f8 No.13847767
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>>13847698
>your wives one day go to other lands to tend vegetables and gardening, for it is those things they enjoy doing, whilst you prefer being a Sheppard for the trees.
>the land they're in gets burned down, and no one knows if they survived
>those who think so give different directions to where they went
>search and call out their beautiful names, but to no avail
>no wives means no more little entlings
>eventually grow up and be the last of their generation, not knowing what their mothers looked like
>the fathers eventually forget how their wives looked like
>eventually, all those around you start getting sleepy, and start becoming the very same trees that they tended to
>one day, Saruman breaks a long established agreement, chopping down and burning the trees you have known since they were saplings, using them for his own evil gain
>one day, 2 little creatures never mentioned or seen before join your cause
>you and the last of your kind march out for the last time, to take out Saruman and stop his evil
after all this, you wonder if you wife is still around, and may swell in the distant lands the little critters you recently met hail from.
it concerns you not, for you too are starting to feel a bit sleepy
2aa409 No.13847785
>are games art
Well something which is art seems to have something like a right to be offensive where mere entertainment does not.
The way I see it, being considered art provides a useful barrier for a medium against censorship.
Not that it always works, but I think it would be an improvement to what we have now.
People don't give games the same prestige as other mediums, so manipulating them is no big deal.
But people see the word "art" and just think of snobs in turtleneck sweaters snorting farts so it's no deal.
e999f2 No.13847800
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>>13847650
>I wouldn't call chess an art
Depends on the skill of the players. I absolutely would consider what two equally matched masters of the game produce in their competition as art - but again, it's art in the sense of fine craftsmanship.
Granted, if you're uninitiated in the game, watching them will do little to nothing for you - and similarly, watching two old fucks in the park playing a friendly game isn't going to amount to much either. But when you are skilled enough in the game to really appreciate the improvisation in each move and counter, the unexpected and novel strategies strategies… it absolutely can be moving and deeply satisfying.
Overused clip and e-sports faggotry aside, tell those people watching aren't deeply moved by emotion when watching that. Tell me that Diego fag wasn't fucking in a transcendental state of zen when he pulled that off. All of those people watching were familiar with the game, and knew the level of skill involved to pull that reversal. No pretentious art faggot with zero experience in games outside of some Zelda T-Shirt and an NES mini that was bought solely for display purposes could look at that and understand or be moved or truly impressed by it.
And yes, I would extend this to all sports as well. What, just because a football game makes you leap out of your chair and scream like a sperg after a big play, not stroke your chin in contemplation, it's not a valid or equivalent emotional response to what your witnessing? There is no beauty or elegance to be found in a well executed strategy on a battlefield?
For all intents and purposes, I'm probably using far too broad a definition of Art compared to what these faggots are advocating. But again, that's part of my point. Games can be art, and I think they qualify, but not in the narrow pidgeon-holed ways that these shitbirds desperately seeking societal approval wants it to be.
a042f8 No.13847860
>>13847792
don't forget the poetic song that the ents and entwives sant to each other.
green will be the ents, pink will be the entwives
>When spring unfolds the beechen-leaf and sap is in the bough,
When light is on the wild-wood stream, and wind is on the brow,
When stride is long, and breath is deep, and keen the mountain air,
Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is fair!
<When Spring is come to garth and field, and corn is in the blade,
When blossom like a shining snow is on the orchard laid,
When sun and shower upon the earth with fragrance fill the air,
I'll linger here, and will not come, because my land is fair!
>When Summer lies upon the world, and in a noon of gold
Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold,
When woodland halls are green and cool, and wind is in the West,
Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is best!
<When Summer warms the hanging fruit and burns the berry brown;
When straw is gold, and ear is white, and harvest comes to town;
When honey spills, and apple swells, though wind be in the West,
I'll linger here beneath the Sun, because my land is best!
>When Winter comes, the winter wild that hill and wood shall slay;
When trees shall fall and starless night devour the sunless day;
When wind is in the deadly East, then in the bitter rain
I'll look for thee, and call to thee; I'll come to thee again!
<When Winter comes, and singing ends; when darkness falls at last;
When broken is the barren bough, and light and labour past;
I'll look for thee, and wait for thee, until we meet again:
Together we will take the road beneath the bitter rain!
then together they sang.
Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
And far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest.
I like to believe Tolkien's works were based on actual history, but that would mean that the ents failed their mission in finding their wives, and in the end, they all slept and became one with the trees among us
f7ed37 No.13847907
>>13845860
Games are art. What people don't understand is that art doesn't make something good or deep. I can smear my shit on the floor and call it art.
f7ed37 No.13847952
>>13846184
>>13846189
Women are the kikes of sex. Anything they touch goes to shit.
Videogames
Social "sciences"
Politics
>>13846198
>He thinks you can't reproduce if you know how women are
9f933e No.13848033
>>13847952
Nah. I know women in just about every field who are decent people. The trick is finding ones whop don't buy into normalfag shit. So basically country women more or less.
37ffe2 No.13848363
The greek word for "art" is "tekne", technique. All jewish subversion of what should be art, what feels like art, is readily swept aside if you remember this: originally, art means technique.
So a game full of art, is one that shows skill in its making. The art of making games: not the games that pretend to be artistic expositions at the MOMA.
c420ed No.13848375
>>13846909
>You just described 90 percent of the games industry.
And also the art industry. So…
37ffe2 No.13848381
>>13846153
This man knows what's up with kids, I confirm what he says. Some of us have kids: REEEE my dick, neets. Kids don't like dying and repeating the same thing, all they want is to screw around in peace. Their perfect game would be a sandbox with lots of easy and intuitive things to do, and without fail states.
Feels unbelievable? Imagine browsing a website that randomly bans your IP for 5 minutes, if you fail a QTE. That would be enjoyable, right? Well, they feel the same: they don't support the notion that rules should be in place to punish activity.
a0ed1b No.13848542
>>13845937
I'm sorry to hear that, anon.
5fc3ce No.13848681
>>13846596
>Makes claim.
>Doesn't support it with any proof what so ever.
>Insults people for not believing claim.
Pics or it didn't happen, what's so fucking difficult?
c37ebb No.13848785
>>13847860
i need to read those books again.
018be2 No.13849189
>>13847243
You need to pay more attention to your kids, anon. They are turning into enormous faggots.
>watching kids play death trap and running games
>one fuckup means game over
>they can get through them but half the time they die
>immediately says, it's just a game
>tries again
If your kids are behaving the way you describe, then they will become the worst people you can imagine. You only have yourself to blame.
>>13847276
>getting ass kicked by SMB
I distinctly remember beating the game before first grade. Parents said if I could beat it, they would buy me another game, so I did. They didn't follow through.
cb2fed No.13849214
>>13847623
I can't believe I watched the whole thing.
bfc271 No.13854714
>>13845850
> alt games
> hipsters trying to use the alternative tag as a euphamism for shitty
> being this dense