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What am I waiting for?

What are the first two games like? I played a lot of RTSs at the time, but have only ever heard about Spellforce on here

>>13819635

>>13819625

>RTS dry period

>free game

>LUL UR A SHILL

And you are the reason we don't even try free beta gams anymore.

Nor get LAN support for that matter.

>>13819646

>free

Where is the magnet then?

>>13819681

Ok, call it a demo then.

>>13819723

Careful goy, almost made you play a free demo.

I've been playing some battle realms again. It's still good, but I wonder whose idea was to include neolithic barbarians and Dark Eldar.

I still have to play the first two

I remember playing the first on my cousins computer 13 years ago.

Did they go full rts or still doing that third person/rts thing?

Every question that can be possibly asked in this thread will never be as important as the following question. Can you Remove Elf?

>>13819771

>50 bucks for a rts is a joke even if they went full retard on grafix

How much did the original cost on release?

Im gonna check it out

You better not trick me OP you tremendous faggot

>>13819638

I tried the first one, but I couldn't stand the fucking tedium. You get quests that make you walk all around the map and your character takes forever to do so, and the game pauses when it loses focus so I can't even alt-tab out and browse the internet while waiting.

>>13819790

I wouldnt know, a friend pirated it but probably not that much

>>13819803

I remember getting most games back then for $30, so that inflates to around $40. It wouldn't surprise me if it was more. Games use to cost money before steam.

>>13819646

>LUL UR A SHILL

Pretty sure 5200d4 just wanted to know more about the game.

>>13819777

I never liked it but kept coming back for the main menu screen tits.

I've not played another game in the series… Just played the campaign mission in the demo thing, it's pretty good.

It plays kind of like Warcraft 3. Traditional RTS with unit abilities and heroes that level up. The leveling and abilities are more in-depth than WC3 though, with full skill trees and stat points for you're characters (you get 4 in the demo: warrior, archer, necromancer, elementalist/priest) Full loot system too.

Unfortunately the game doesn't really give you a good way to use all your characters abilities. You can hold alt to slow down time and open a radial menu to use abilities, but it doesn't seem to display them all. There's also some hotkeys at the top of the screen… But again it only shows 3 per character. I might be just missing something here as I'm assuming there's some way to bind abilities to hotkeys? I never used it in the demo as I just zerged everything and spammed the elamentalist's ice blizzard skill.

The map is separated up into nodes so you can't just build anywhere, and any one nodes expansion is limited by it's size/resources/etc. Resources are shared across the map though which is nice.

It seems your tech progression is locked behind blueprints you have to either loot on the map or buy from traders, which is kind of shitty.

All in all probably worth a pirate.

I played Spellforce 2 shadow lands or whatever years ago. Only about 10 hours or so probably, the whole set up is fun at the start of each level, but it got repetitive and the cities in between the campaign were either too big with quests I don't feel like reading or doing (boring), and just moving through the main story line. Leveling up was nice, getting new weps and armor/trinkets.

>>13819618

>>Free beta

>>13820954

2 is suppose to be shit compared to 1.

>>13819638

Me, I remember SpellForce 1 advertised a chick on the box which is not actually in the game. It was somewhat infamous back in the day, and it made the whole series look sketchy. So I never played those games.

>>13822098

Good

>Muh graphics

>Nice responsive units

>Units (not heroes) are balanced

>No long section of waiting, action starts quickly

>Worker system (you build an outpost, which allows you to have 3 workers, then you can build a mill or something which can have up to 3 workers set to it, you can upgrade the outpost to get more workers, I think it's 6 and 10 eventually. The workers are ai controlled so apart from setting them to buildings, there is no micro) allows for your entire focus to go to battles.

>No niggers or stronk wymyn in the human faction (knife-ears army is 70% women but that's because they are all twinks)

>(some) Heroes are powerful yet can be killed by standard faggots so you don't get into 1 guy holds the line situations.

>Gameplay in general is solid.

>There is an option for x100 resources so you don't run out

>Heroes are unique

>Heroes look different for different factions

>Only heroes have abilities so it doesn't go full gookclick

>bases send supplies to each other so you can potentially cut someone's entire economy off

>Factions have unique troops

Bad

>Not enough buildings. They all look the same which doesn't help

>The worker system is also used to garrison towers which makes towers pretty pointless since if an enemy has cav he can rush your workers before they garrison

>No walls

>No different types of siege engine, everyone gets basically a re-skinned catapult/ballista, it works the same way.

>Heroes are ridiculously unbalanced. >Necromancer is useless because later on when armies get to 100 troops, getting 8 extra skellies is useless.

>The commander and the Priest are both very powerful because they make units basically unkillable through buffs or area heals.

>The archer hero is only good early game but later on he can't deal enough damage if he doesn't have his ult.

>Shaman is too powerful against hordes due to the fire totem which creates rings of fire which damage in a big area

>Even though I said before that 1 hero can't hold a horde, if the priest and the renegade (strong melee fighter with 2 aoe skills) team up, they can

>Factions aren't unique enough, no faction has custom mechanics and the base troops feel the same.

>Only 3 factions

All in all I'd say it's bretty gud above average for a current year rts. Not game-changing but no something that is hateable Like Starbound either.

>>13822224

>necromancer has a ridiculously small summon cap

Why the hell do games do this? I don't care if the skellies are shit just let me have a couple dozen at least, damn it.

>>13822098

why does she have candy on her eyes?

>>13822283

You probably still can, it depends on how much they copy from spellforce 1. There's a distinction between summoning undead and raising undead.

I know when you summon a skeleton it drains mana while it's up, soft capping it. However, way later in the game you get a raise dead spell, which casts a giant AOE turning all corpses in the area to skeletons and there is no mana drain for uptime and there is no cap. You even could kill your own workers and raise them. Also the dark elves would passively raise enemies at night time giving you even more skeletons. If you made an entire army of dark elf necromancers, they will ressurrect enemies and summon undead goblins (I think each necromancer could have 2-3, and you have armies of 80. Do the math) ontop of your skeletons.

>>13822224

How good is turtling? I honestly only like RTS that let me turtle because I like managing my local economy and tower defense.

>>13819777 (checked)

>dark races

Yep. I think the idea is that by that point your hero should be an OP monster that should make up for how shit your troops are in comparison, but in practice it ended up with me clearing out bases with my hero until I got overwhelmed. Enemies don't start spawning until after you interact with the shrine, and you can deactivate the infinite spawners by destroying the buildings, so you just have to fight the initial troops they have. So you can cheese the RTS part that way. The RPG bits that expect you to not have the mass of troops can be cheesed by deciding to use the RTS bit to your advantage, and just drowning your enemies in trash mobs.

It also becomes ridiculous because my all in dark mage ended up surviving better in melee than my fucking titans. Part of this is because the game expects you to do a bit of cross class stuff, and I went heavy into dark magic which allowed me to use mage armor that was better than anything my melee heroes had access to. The only reason I managed to get that armor is because I cheesed a bunch of way higher level enemies with massed elf and dwarf spam.

>>13822311

If they copy a fair bit from Spellforce 1, the hero will become absolutely OP later. I get the feeling they won't.

>>13822311

>>13822283

You can't, the necromancer has 2 summoning spells, 1 passive (which makes spells cheaper), and 1 debuff. I think there is something to do with corpses too but I never used it. The summoning spells you get are:

>The first is skeletal summoning, at level 1 it summons 3 zombies, at level 2 it summons 4 skellie knights, at level 3 it summons 5 stronger skellie knights. Level 3 is max level.

>The second you unlock at level 11 and it's supposed to the be ultimate but it just summons a goliath/undead ogre. It's shit later on because armies can kill it too quickly.

Also there is no titan units like in the old spellforce games

>>13822348

I take it there's no hero customization either?

>>13822348

So your main hero is basically a moba hero?

>>13822310

The candy are buff items that you eat a fuckton of ingame to get good times and shit.

>>13822535

>it's not letting me take any

Don't bother. SF was always an RPG first and RTS second and I can't believe they'd turn it into some moba shit.

>>13822674

>SF was always an RPG first and RTS second

Fucking wot.

80% of the game is RTS, 20% is slog you have to grind to for story shit nobody cares about.

>>13828774

Kiss my ass and stop lying yours off. None of the troops the AI creates give any XP. Period. And if you do get a chance to use your troops against neutral creeps you'll get reduced XP, ie no soft cap involved.

>Haven't played 2.

>still need to get through spellforce 1

This is what I meant by a faking hipster. You probably a millennial and that's your problem. But for the love of god stop trying to present yourself as anyone vaguely credible.

>I think you forget how the game would go 1 rpg map per 4 rts maps

And I know you're full of it. 3/4 of those "RTS maps" start as "RPG maps."

>>13822674

>some moba shit

I wasn't exactly impressed with the game either, but let's not cheap out the labels here.

You don't gain resources by farming your oponent's soldiers, you still control your own army and build your buildings, economy is more than just a single resource used specifically to gear up your hero and him alone will not stand against an army, plus you get more than just a single hero and the goal of the game isn't to break down a single building in the enemies base.

It's not a MOBA by any standard of the term at all. Call it shit if you want, but call it the right shit.

More specifically, it seems much closer to Warcraft 3 indeed, but with a twist to it. Although there seems to be some more focus on your heroes, controlling several of them with easier controls to use less micro, they don't seem as strong and capable against standard troops in large numbers.

There's also a much more interesting economy than just Gold and Wood, although the ability to store resources or dictate where they are sent is missing and that can make things quite frustrating.

>>13828878

Maybe you're right but I'm getting a serious DOW3 vibe from what I'm seeing.

>>13828886

You call anything that doesn't have just regular troops a MOBA these days anyway, you're diluting the word.

It should have been a term to describe a particular genre of games that's flawed by design due to the many aspects that govern how it works (focus on unbalanced fights, grindy economy, dead man's syndrome, burden of knowledge, etc) and instead it's becoming "a game where units have strong abilities".

>>13828928

>Multiplayer online battle arena

Well how'd you call an RTS so streamlined and balanced for multiplayer with a strong focus on a few carrying units/heroes and near mirrored factions? Saying DOTA or LOL is clear but what about something that tried to emulate both that and a classic RTS, CNC4 for example?

>>13828976

Those are still neutral units dipshit. If you got any real assets from faction troops you'd outlevel the game so fast it's not even funny.

>>13828994

You say balanced for multiplayer like it's a bad thing. Unless you want everyone playing online to only use the same race\faction\strategy or not even bothering with multiplayer to begin with, there's nothing wrong with that.

>a strong focus on a few carrying units/heroes and near mirrored factions?

I'd still call it an RTS? Just because it has a bigger focus on the hero units doesn't change that.

Rise of Legends was pretty neat and it also had you summoning Heroes that could devastate small units too. You could even drop rally points on your heroes so produced units would not only join them but also be assigned to the same control group.

An RTS is an RTS. You manage your economy, you build your base, you train your dudes and you micro them against your oponent. If one of your dudes is a strong dude and he plays an important role in a fight, it doesn't change any of that. You still build, harvest and train dudes.

A MOBA is a MOBA. You don't manage your economy, you only farm for 20 minutes, you don't build anything, you don't train anything and you only micro your dude for 5 seconds during the teamfight phase. After that, you're either losing or winning for 20 minutes.

Just because it's a top-down view and the control scheme seems similar to an RTS, it doesn't make it closer to one, it's fundamental problems are still the economy and the pacing and neither of that is a problem in Spellforce or DoW3 for the matter.

>>13829196

Try saying literally a couple of more times kid. I reproached your bullshit and apparently you've nothing new to answer with. You're wrong, and muddying the water with some real cheap deflection won't change that.

>>13829269

Define small units. RoL had tanks, dragons, mecha or prototype shit that once upgraded raped most heroes. Hell, basic infantry had some real teeth when upgraded.

>you don't build anything

What about footman wars or one of the other dota era modes/mods? You do train units and you do manage economy. What about "RTS" games where you don't build unless it's on predisposed locations at predisposed times? Or games that aren't full RTT where you don't build at all but use some cap/point system? I get what you're saying but there's certain leeway considering the age or the improvised origin of the terms. Especially considering just how generic and wide encompassing "Multiplayer online battle arena" is. When you say dotashit or ASSFAGGOTS that's a bit more specific

>>13819618

>Spellforce

>RTS

Nigga it's RPG/RTS hybrid, in 66%/33% ratio, I ain't touching that shit, fuck you.

>>13822689

Ask there my man

>>>/gaschamber/

>>13831106

>git gud

I haven't met anyone who hasn't said that part was a slog. I had to cheese hard and it just wasn't fun.

>>13822689

Kill you are self, my man.

>>13829384

>RoL had tanks, dragons, mecha or prototype shit that once upgraded raped most heroes.

Until you upgraded your heroes as well.

And if you want to go that way, go check out what a properly upgraded squad of normal troops does to normal heroes in DOW3.

>What about one of the other dota era modes/mods?

Gimmicks and extra modes built by the community to be something else entirely? What about it?

There was Life as a Peasant that was neither an RTS nor a MOBA. There were many "singleplayer MMO" as well as "wave defense" games. What's the argument here? Those had nothing to do with the base game.

>What about "RTS" games where you don't build unless it's on predisposed locations at predisposed times?

Give examples please so I can tell you you're actually talking about RTT, a whole different genre.

>games that aren't full RTT where you don't build at all but use some cap/point system?

You're contradicting yourself, those sound full-on RTT.

Unless you're talking about stuff like Total War, where that's a GSG.

> age or the improvised origin of the terms

Age doesn't change the meaning of most words, not that fast anyway.

And the origin is anything but improvised.

Even ASSFAGGOTS not only accurately defines the kind of game that's being labeled, it even contains a tidbit to it's story.

Point of fact is that MOBA is a very well defined term. It's a multiplayer game where 5-6 players join up in battle with a single hero against a similar oposing team farming resources in a laning phase with creatures they don't control spawning on both sides, followed by a short skirmish phase that creates the powergap between both teams that eventually gives one the victory.

A game cannot be considered a MOBA if it's missing any of those details.

Do you control your own troops? Not a MOBA.

More than one Hero? (Don't be a smart ass with multi-unit heroes) Not a MOBA.

Do you spend the first half of the game grinding your enemies forces for resources? No? Not a MOBA.

Is the game decided in a 5 minute skirmish followed by 20 boring minutes of dead man's syndrome? That's a MOBA.

It's only considered a diluted term because it's so often abused to talk trash about disliked games and it's the main reason you should opose this. Even if you dislike the games being labeled as such, using this word for everything cheapens it and before long, every thing is a MOBA, just like everyone is a faggot now and cuck had to step in as an insult.

>>13822326

Like every RTS, turtling (either by building towers as human/elf or by building shrines as the elf) results in your opponent just casually collecting more resources than you for the entire game. If you're playing against the AI, however, they are very susceptible to turtle tactics. The AI also seems pretty poor at choosing an army composition. I haven't played against insane yet, but this is consistent at very hard and lower.

I played this game in co-op mode with a friend. I'm into economy management games and he's into ass faggots, so I build all of the troops and manage the buildings, and he manages the heroes and armies. We actually had a lot of fun like this. I expand as hard and fast as possible and he skirmishes with the enemies over and over, microing heroes. If you want to just turtle up and have fun with an economy, I'd suggest finding someone who is into ass faggots. They'd want to play, but without all of the economy stuff.

>>13822348

>Also there is no titan units like in the old spellforce games

Titan units are listed in the score screen, so I'm pretty sure they're just not in the beta.

>>13822224

>stronk wymyn in the human faction

not even qt girls?

I've been looking forward to this, so far it seems to run like shit and nothing else has been memorable.

>>13836048

>so far it seems to run like shit and nothing else has been memorable.

its time to go to the official forums and tell them about it, they will listen

>>13836093

it runs like shit but not outside of the modern norm. of things running like shit.