/v/ - Video Games

A fad is a fad. It goes away with the drop of a hat. I don’t know what you want answered here.

>>13801753

>So, what was that fad all about?

People got tired of ww2 I guess?

>>13801766

Mostly just wondering what other good titles came of it

>>13801774

C&C Generals oh wait that's set right now

It would be nice to have a crusader FPS game. But knowing this industry, we'd get one from a Saracen perspective.

>dropped for some reason

Present-day mil-sims inevitably become pixel-hunters

Present-day twitch & arcade shooters are generic and work better with a WW2 skin

Present-day RTS/RTT games have fundamental issues because of the spaces involved in modern wars and weapons that reflect that

Essentially everything works better with a WW2/1 setting without some major genre changes

>>13801834

What about flight sims and stealth games?

Burgerland army needed more recruits

The fad died after Modern Warfare 2.

>>13801840

>Flight sims

Well, DCS still holds its ground. The problem with them, though, is that it goes from fun ww2 dogfights and relative cockpit simplicity to modern 'never-see-your-enemy launch missile and run away', and 'every single key on your keyboard has become a keybind, have fun flying with a joystick while you panic trying to launch flares'

>>13801753

People probably were getting bored with WW2 battles, weapons and factions but they can't abstract enough to try sci-fi shooters.

So when a modern military shooter shows up that plays the same as the games they are used to except it features entirely new areas, vehicles, factions and weapons, it's a welcomed experience.

Of particular importance is that weapons had a lot more variety and tacticool attachments, plus infantry ends up looking more like heroes and less like cannon fodder, something that probably appeals to them more.

Man BLACK was fucking great.

>>13801753

>Breakdown

OP you clearly did not play breakdown.

the military was founding companies to make these games and now that the social climate changed their focus is shifted to something else

there's proof of this but I completely forget

>>13801753

It's a shame that multiplayer shooters don't actually deal with the most defining trait of modern warfare: Asymmetric guerilla warfare in dense civilian population centers, like in The Battle of Algiers.

I'd love to play a shooter where a security force has to keep the peace until a time limit and/or eliminate a band of guerilla revolutionaries, while the guerillas, who are indistinguishable from civilians, have to conduct bombings and assassinations against the security forces or government sympathizers without getting caught. The security forces outnumber the guerillas, while the guerillas have a pool of respawns. Collateral damage from the security forces increases the guerilla strength, supplies and respawn count or may even spawn pro-guerilla NPCs, while the same from the guerillas makes the civilian population turn on them, rat them out to passing officers or even form a lynch mob.

Genre fatigue must be lowered sometime before the next major proxy war, otherwise these games won't be as effective glorifying dying for the elite AMERICA to the masses.

>>13802073

Sounds like it would be a three faction game as you cannot leave all of the civilians to AI. Perhaps have it where players can join as "observers"/"spectators" where they can interact with both sides of the conflict, but cannot actually take part in it.

>>13801753

>So, what was that fad all about?

CoD 4: Modern Warfare was a REALLY good game in an era defined by WWII shooters and "video gamey" production values. It sold a LOT of copies. I bet if we made a game exactly like it, WE'D sell a lot of copies.

Marketers really are this stupid. You remember Fyre Festival, don't you?

>>13801753

Gee, I wonder why fiction makers might want to set something in any given time period.

>>13802073

Not possible. The Red Cross would have a field day. Remember the 6000000 + signs in the original Doom medkits!

>>13802073

So something liks SS13? I would love it. Especially if the gameplay removed the RP sessions that make SS13 rounds last over 2 hours because users don't want their furry OC killed.

>>13802073

Reminds me of an old ARMA/Op Flash mod. One team consisted of 1-4 serial killers who had to murder a set number of civilians between three or four villages, while everyone else was a police officer who had to kill them. Being that the serial killers had models similar to civilians, they could blend in with the AI NPCs making collateral damage for the police a very real risk.

>implying it's dropped

>>13801958

This, and judging by how few people corrected him, I don't think many others did either.

>>13802073

Project Reality was a bit like that, you could play as an insurgent civilian armed with rocks and a cell phone. You could throw rocks at US/Brit soldiers, and they had a plastic cuffs melee weapon. If they shot you they'd get something like a 120 second respawn. But if they cuffed you you'd get like 240 seconds. But you could use your cell phone to spot targets, but doing so was an arrestable offense.

Another game is Iron Grip: Warlord, where you play as resistance guerillas trying to wear down an incoming enemy wave to the point that they give up the attack and level the city. It was super arcadey and didn't have any subtle/sneaky gameplay, but the thematic elements are there of trying to get a powerful enemy to kill civilians (giving you more power)

It was mostly cod 4's fault. WWII shooters were coming out left and right up until about 2006.

>>13801753

>dropped for some reason

itll be back, it always comes back.

enjoy the variety, if there is any. i dont pay much attention these days.

>>13807440

Remember America's Army?

Games take years to make, this is why big publishers will deny working on games for years before announcing it, it stops people getting their hopes up, following development, then getting bored and giving up on it before it's finished.

"Ground Branch" is coming along nicely but I can't really call it a game in it's current state.

>>13807709

Last update was ~1 month ago.

>>13807482

Overwatch is worse, a disgusting UN shilling featuring racially diverse, multicultural group of wacky and zany superheroes who do fun stuff, btw. ==AGREE TO THE EU ARMY, GOYIM==

Die for Israel

>>13807718

How embarassing, i was certain i pressed enter

AGREE TO THE EU ARMY, GOYIM

>>13801939

Have you tried it on Xbone?

>>13807696

>big publishers deny it

no they don't. They just don't publicize it because they know how to market. There was a reason the registry of call of duty advanced warfare's website in 2009 was a big leak. Normally Activision would sit on this sort of stuff until the year before launch, like they always do. The devs are usually pretty open about how long it takes for them to go from pitch to product.

>>13807763

yes and lose another world war while hes at it

>>13807786

Believe it or not you can be nationalist without invading anyone, I know the globalists like to act like nationalism = nazism but that just isn't the case.

>>13807788

Anon, europe's history began after the Holocaust™ was invented and (((brilliant thinkers))) realized that if you can tell your people from outsiders that'll undeniably lead to

ANNUDAH SHOAH!

>>13807788

and hyenas dont have to eat unattended babies. the only reason it wouldnt is if it felt threatened

Are there any games where you play as guerillas (or counterinsurgents)?

>>13807815

Poor analogy states are rational actors, hyenas aren't sentient.

The same thing with Westerns they overplayed it to the point people got tired.

>>13807849

neither are nationalists

>>13807923

Kill yourself, /utg/ kike.

>>13801753

>>13801774

>>13801783

C&C Generals

Battlefield 2

Battlefield bad company/2

conflict desert storm

blackhawk dawn

6 days in felucia

>>13819922

six days in fallujah

SHIT, FUCK, COCK SUCKING, TOUCHSCREEN KEYBOARD

Modern FPS was short-lived because people play games for escapism. They don't want to fight a virtual war mimicking the real war they see on the news every day. They want past, future, sci-fi, fantasy, literally ANYTHING ELSE. The reaction to modern shooters was like

>WOW IT LOOKS JUST LIKE REAL LIFE!

>oh…. it looks… just like real life

>>13806379

Oh good I was wondering if anyone else was going to say something.

Breakdown was such a great game. sequel never

>>13801768

Yep, and now the pendulum is starting to swing back

>>13801939

>Man BLACK was fucking great.

Not really. Say what you will about the Examined Cuck but watch this to see how Black had no business marketing itself as a "gun porn" FPS.

>>13807849

>hyenas aren't sentient.

That's absolutely not true, most if not all mammals are sentient.

>>13832628

But why are there rails on the side, top and back of the gun in your screenshot? Did you want to put a sex dildo on back so that you can suck on it while firing?

And to be serious, how would you address the points raised in the video?

>>13801753

Pretty much entirely COD honestly, up until MW came out most fps were either sci-fi or WWII. When the game first came out a significant chunk of the marketing behind it was muh realism and muh real world weapons/setting. After it proved a success they milked the ever loving shit out of it with the sequels until it wore out its welcome. Hence the abominations that are the recent games. Plus modern warfare, the real thing not the video game, can't be easily made into a video game without at least a little bit of effort which is why it's been seemingly abandoned except in the cases of milsims and generic Steam trash

Because after 5 years of constantly being bombarded by arcadey tacticool modern military shooters the generation of kids that grew up playing these SO REALISTIC games realized that they arent realistic at all. These games became branded as kiddieshit that bratty 12 year olds like to play after school and thus the mature gamers as well as the kids that grew up with these games drifted away while the games also failed to attract the new gen of bratty 12 year olds that preferred to play minecraft and LeL.

>>13832628

Black was garbage, you dumb fuck

>>13832282

The singleplayer is fun if you want to larp like it's 2003. The MP was kind of fun, it was basically Bad Company 2 with APCs as the only vehicle.

>>13832455

>>13833301

>hurr gun in videogame no like gun in real life

>>13801753

>great titles throughout like Black

Listen I don't mean to sound like that one guy who keeps posting his own video everytime Black is mentioned but my god the guns in that game look fucking disgusting.

>>13832455

This guy sounds like a little bitch

>>13835420

>The singleplayer is fun if you want to larp like it's 2003

I'm not sure if it's me, but I felt like the SP was a slap in the face with how poorly designed the game's plot was. To summarize it for those who haven't played it, you story does a minimal and forgettable job in explaining why the U.S. is going all out in invading Shahikot, and then the end has an "Honor your soldiers" message (Which sends across a completely different tune than I think the developers want).

>>13832455

>Halo is gun porn

>>13801753

Modern gear is a hell of a lot cooler than WWII tech. That's all.

>>13835583

The autistic sperg video did show me The Club though. That might be fun for a little bit, so thanks for that.

>>13801840

>>13801883

Falcon BMS is better than DCS, especially for single player. This is despite the fact that it's a mod for a nearly 20 year old game.

>>13835752

I'd say that that depends on what you're handling. Opal blitz nerbelwerfers, artillery pieces as large as a city block. Xbox hueg antitank rifles, Panzer IV's and STUGs, b-29s, me 262's and Zero's. Ww2 weapons and vehicles had an aesthetic that just isn't present in the modern day.

>>13801785

I wish for non strategy crusader games in the first place.

They went back to World War settings but now with pozz

Its fucking gay because you always play as the fatburgers killing shitskins or russians. Also realistic guns are only fun if you can shoot them yourself in real life.

>>13807733

Doubledubs confirm the (((EU))) must die

>>13807753

I see no difference, gas them both

>>13839332

>HAHAHAHA

>>13839357

And you don't seem to understand

>>13839396

A shame, you seemed an honest man

>>13807753

what's up with the support for muslims on /pol/ lately? You can hate both muslims and jews, you don't have to pick one over the other…

>>13835936

>Me 262

Mein Neger

What an absolutely shit thread.

>>13801883

>'never-see-your-enemy launch missile and run away', and 'every single key on your keyboard has become a keybind, have fun flying with a joystick while you panic trying to launch flares'

That's just wrong. Modern AA missiles are usually fired from visual range, because launching them earlier means the target has more time to evade. Good pilots use the terrain to get as close to the enemy as possible, then drop one radar guided missile at the enemy while at medium range. If that one misses it's either a swift IR short range lockon battle, not dissimilar to old dogfights, or it turns into a real dogfight because both pilots have run out of missiles.

>>13835893

Falcon BMS only has the F16 though, while in DCS you can fly helos, CAS aircraft, SEAD planes, fighters, multirole and even play very simple of ground forces.

Both are good, but one has more variety and the other looks slightly worse.

>>13801753

>I remember hearing how that there were some great titles throughout like Black and Breakdown

Black isn't exactly a great title and Breakdown is as much of a modern military shooter as Nanobreaker.

Why the fuck do people keep mentioning Black on this board lately? I thought it was a thoroughly mediocre shooter like Haze or something, and it was never mentioned on this board for ages. Now I see it in every other thread.

>>13848149

At least haze had the best soundtrack of any game ever.

>>13832455

I enjoy the dude's claims and content but the fucking voice…

He's 100% right about BLACK. the "gun porn" is pathetic

>>13848149

Because you can't have a "Best FPS" or "Good vidya soundtrack" thread and not mention Black. I personally feel like it is a underrated obscure shooter. More anons should be aware of it and know what makes a shooter fun.

>>13843930

>>13849095

Black was a great shooter and most importantly it was fun. BTFOs every modern shooter and only F.E.A.R. is superior.

>>13848149

>Why the fuck do people keep mentioning Black on this board lately?

It's the exact same faggot in every thread. There is no game on Earth that fits the average generic FPS label better than Black. It advertises itself as gun porn yet it is blatantly obvious it was made by people who have only seen guns in movies, the enemy variety is pathetic it's basically ten hours of shooting the same guy over and over, the AI is complete fucking garbage, every level is the exact same brown and grey area, the level design is a mindless straight line, the plot is basically non-existent and is the most forgettable plot in any game ever, the soundtrack is generic hollywood fluff, background noise at best, the game is also 5-6 hours at max in an era where FPS were usually around 20.

Also if all of that is not bad enough you have to play it with a controller. There is no point in playing this game when titles like FEAR exist (which was released the same year and earlier than Black). Speaking of which the destruction that Black markets itself on is everything explodes nonsense, whereas FEAR got it right by properly emulating John Woo films. If anyone recommends Black you can be rest assured they are a slack jawed retard, there is absolutely nothing redeemable about that game.

>>13801753

They needed to get a new generation of impressionable kids to buff up ranks on the Middle East

>>13850471

>Several of the people involved in the design of CoD games starting since Modern Warfare have been Pentagon personnel, look it up.

Didn't fucking know that.

>>13850502

Yes, I was quite creeped out when I first heard about it. The top echelons of the US military are literally involved in writing and designing CoD games. Just out of the kindness of their hearts.

>>13850534

No wonder why they keep shitting out that shit that fast,

Black wasn't terrible, but at the same time enemies took way too many bullets to kill, aiming was a pain in the ass with a controller, and getting all the unlocks was an even larger pain in the ass.

>>13850573

He could be completely wrong and Black could have some of the Best AI, best looking guns, and best level design in any FPS ever, but you'd still be a massive faggot for only screaming

BUT ITS FUN, ITS A FUN GAME, ITS ONE OF THE MOST FUN GAMES EVER!

Over and over and over.

>>13801753

Black is a shit game, fuck off. Not like a console shooter could be good under any circumstances anyway with the exception of Destiny actually having exceptional gameplay because it was made by veterans of the console FPS industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QqXrW1WpZA

Anything else to talk about except how autistic some people are in regards to Black?

No large scale military operations to promote.

>>13872281

prove it

>>13801753

>marking out over FPS games