8479f0 No.13799935
There is a poll going around thats being (((monitored))) by blizzard about classic server points of contention. Thought it might interest some anons to share
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc64CYad2GpAVvH6yEl-mLd2NBlCnKeIASA8mTrRwjJQ5usDw/viewanalytics
54b347 No.13799950
>WoW
Does anyone besides diehard autists care?
e7f13e No.13799952
8479f0 No.13799954
>>13799950
I learned about elysium from 8ch threads, I enjoyed my time there and on feenix's emerald dream.
I know the general attitude is
>mmoshit
but i'm all for more of games with actual communities personally
d734dd No.13799980
>>13799954
/v/s original MMORPG with horizontal progression, committed crafting/merchant class with good crafting/mercantile system; no dungeons finders, no instances, no fucking auction houses, and no faggot GMs; when.
e7f13e No.13799986
>>13799980
Like Ultima Online?
d734dd No.13800003
>>13799986
Yeah, kind of like that. Also forgot, no modern cartoony or animeshit. Classic gritty 90s fantasy like Diablo 1, Warcraft 2, Hexen art style.
d014df No.13800073
they're already starting to rub hands
af1d5c No.13800104
>more people want battlegrounds and dishonorable kills to exist on release than a fucking level 48 dungeon
For what purpose
43cc3c No.13800106
>>13799935
The only good thing about Vanilla was the social aspect and the sense of exploration. The gameplay was always shit, and was blown the fuck out by BC, and then again by Wrath. A key problem here, is that you can't bring back that sense of exploration. If you've played WoW for any length of time, you've already combed through the entire world. Everything is a known quantity. The other problem is that Vanilla's gameplay is terrible, and was only made moderately less terrible by the BC pre-patch talent revamp.
Blizzard knows this, which is why they were so resistant to creating a Vanilla server, but with their subscriber count steadily decreasing, and normalfags desperate to throw money at them for an official vanilla server to recapture that nostalgia, they're finally relenting. Expect a whole lot of "Wow, this shit really didn't age very well" when people realize how passive and non-interactive general PVE gameplay was. You ready for drinking after every other kill, or spending most of your time auto-attacking and waiting for resources? How about the disgustingly ugly and dated gear and enemy design?
This is going to be a shit-show, but I'm sure there's enough failed normalfags desperate to recapture that nostalgia to keep the servers profitable while they bring in the big bucks from hearthstone and overwatch microtransactions.
>>13800073
It's a fan-made poll.
7377a1 No.13800110
>>13799980
Archeage was almost that for me.
abbaaf No.13800149
>>13800106
>not liking green gear from lvl 40 being viable in a raid
>he can't take more than 10 hours before he quits because it isn't easy enough
>not liking the sense of accomplishment of getting to 60 or even completing a hard ass quest
>doesn't like roaming around killing alliance and making friends with people you've seen since lvl 10 all the way to 60
>he likes flying
why are you here?
000000 No.13800153
I have a feeling 50%+ of /v/ will play this.
38d03a No.13800155
Played WoW starter edition recently and got to level 20 blood elf paladin. It's still the same boring shit I played ten years ago.
43cc3c No.13800162
>>13800149
>defending mmoshit
Why are you here?
abbaaf No.13800184
>>13800162
vanilla wow was the pinnacle of mmos. every other iteration of the mmo genre is shit after it because they try to capture the lightning in the bottle that vanilla wow was.
f1bb07 No.13800187
>>13800105
>Onyxia's Lair
>as a rogue
Do you enjoy THROWING KNIVES?
85c780 No.13800190
I'm surprized the "Make more than one fucking class able to tank in raids" question is getting no'd so hard. I wonder if that's all from butt hurt warriors or horde players who don't want alliance to have one more tank class than them?
Like if they said, "okay, instead of the retarded dual wield shit we added in BC, we're going to make enhancement shamans a tank spec (which they clearly were going to be at one point considering all their vanilla talents and aggro spells) for the sake of faction balance" would the yes/no ratio get a bit better?
9a8c7d No.13800209
Fuck WoW.
I want fucking Warcraft 4 already. It's been 15 years now, not even Half-Life fans have been waiting as long as us.
8479f0 No.13800222
>>13800187
unironically leveled my bow skill just to be a trooper
9f185a No.13800229
>>13800209
I think they permanently switched to StarCraft for RTS.
d2989d No.13800246
>>13800209
>It's been 15 years now
Bullshi-
>Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is a high fantasy real-time strategy video game developed and published by Blizzard Entertainment, and was released in July 2002
Holy shit, it really has been that long. I remember playing WC3 game after school.
000000 No.13800253
>>13800209
>illidan will be transgender otherkin
>dreadlords will be homosexuals
>jaina will be strong independent gilf
>varrian's succesor will be a black male
>sylvanas will be a lesbian, she will get with jaina in an open relationship
>gameplay will be no resources, no unit limits, computer starts with 50% fewer troops and buildings than you
I just cannot wait!
8479f0 No.13800255
>>13800209
there is a SC 2 mod called armies of azeroth that is wc3 with updated models but its been in development for ten thousand years
60a5ea No.13800298
>>13800184
It has mediocre pvp that has no effect on the game world and the pve is laughably easy. If that's the pinnacle then there's no point in playing any MMO.
c58594 No.13800323
>>13799950
>autists
WoW was always casual shit and always will be.
43cc3c No.13800330
>>13800184
It was always about the social aspect, the gameplay was shit. If you were actually around in early vanilla, you'd know that the daytime playerbase was mostly second life housewives. Raiding was fun in the same way watching a really bad movie is fun with a group of friends, especially if you were healing. But guess what, you can't close pandora's box. Raiding that same tired shit isn't going to be fun with what players have become. Your average player today treats everyone like shit, and you're going to have strict gear checks before you can get into raids, and eventually strict gear checks before you can even do babby shit like strath/scholo. People moved on from the old 'treat people on your server how you want to be treated' mindset, and became far more shitty to one another, and that's going to crush most players enjoyment of vanilla.
World PVP, and losing my v-card to a 6/10 qt warlock I met who ended up driving across the state to fuck me are my only fond memories of vanilla. I can see the rest of what it really was: a shitty mess.
000000 No.13800368
a3258a No.13800375
>>13800110
>korean mmos
>horizontal progression
a3258a No.13800391
>>13800330
That's like, your opinion. Adventuring in Warcraft universe is fun and vanilla combat was challenging enough to keep you on your toes while questing.
8bdf92 No.13800392
>>13800209
But anon! there is gonna Warfronts in Battle for Azeroth that is gonna be like the RTS games but are not!
43cc3c No.13800457
>>13800391
>cast seal of command
>auto-attack
>judge
>cast seal of command
>8 seconds of auto-attack
>judge
>repeat 3-4 cycles until enemy is dead
Oh boy that sure was fun and challenging. You're in for a rude fucking awakening.
>>13800368
>be shitposting redditor
>get banned
>dodge ban with tor
>accuse everyone else of being reddit
Heh.
000000 No.13800475
>>13800457
>talk like redditor
>get called out
>no u
https://unreddit.com
>>>/suicide/
pick one
9a8c7d No.13800484
>>13800153
Who even plays WoW anymore?
43cc3c No.13800493
>>13800475
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
a3258a No.13800521
>>13800457
Of course killing a single trash mob is not going to be challenging. In vanilla there are plenty of mob groups that will fuck you up, especially murlocs. Also killing an elite 1v1 will push your class to its limit.
43cc3c No.13800557
>>13800521
It's about tedium. If at the bare minimum, classes don't have the bc talent revamp, you'l see the same massive spike and then swift decline that we've seen from every post-wrath expansion, because for the vast majority of players, nostalgia isn't enough to make vanilla combat (which aged like milk) fun after they've already experienced those classes with highly refined and active gameplay.
a70711 No.13800600
>>13800184
>vanilla wow was the pinnacle of mmos
Get a load of this faggot who clearly had WoW as his first MMO.
6eaf41 No.13800603
>>13800073
This prospect alone made the kikes at blizzard salivate. I can guarantee that tokens to gold will remain regardless. You see goy, the work required to change the AH back would have delayed classic by 6months.
<you think you don't want want these microtransactions in classic, but you do, goy
43cc3c No.13800608
>>13800603
Assuming they follow a content release schedule similar to vanilla, but obviously accelerated, as soon as that content dries up, they'll start selling boosts for sure. They'd be stupid not to, since most of the players will have fucked off by that point, and it's free money.
a3258a No.13800616
>>13800557
I don't agree with keeping classes 100% vanilla, they had a lot of problems. Also vanilla combat didn't age like milk, if anything the new combat is worse.
43cc3c No.13800619
>>13800616
Every expansion outside of Legion improved the combat to some degree, it's just that post-wrath, the actual PVE content was fucking terrible. If you're unironically arguing that vanilla's combat is better than, say, wrath or bc, you're fucking nuts.
1a3587 No.13800628
I mean i enjoyed my time on elysium for the short while that i played. And yea i liked the challenge more than modern day wow. But me personally i've grown older and got too much to worry about. I mean it would be nice to go back and play legacy games or more specific legacy mmo. But maybe in the future :*(
a3258a No.13800656
>>13800619
How is it better? Resilience was fucking cancer.
60a5ea No.13800661
>>13800656
>Resilience was fucking cancer.
Why?
a3258a No.13800677
>>13800661
It's a redundant stat.
4c353d No.13800710
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If God permits, and everything turns out good enough, I hope <Infinity> will be reborn and the flame of autism finally rekindled.
60a5ea No.13800722
>>13800677
>a redundant stat
Oh god what horrible cancer. I can't believe anyone can even play the game. Never mind that a number on your character window has next to nothing to do with combat gameplay.
At first I thought you were OD'd on nostalgia but now I think you're just an idiot.
65cbbb No.13800728
>>13800661
Resilience is cancer because it was Blizzards' solution to PvE gear. In vanilla you could overcome Tier 1 and possibly Tier 2 gear by wearing the full GM stuff, but you couldn't overcome Tier 3 gear. So raiders were more powerful than career PvPers because for Blizzard to balance them out, they'd have to make it possible for PvPers to render PvE moot by giving them equally powerful gear. They said no and didn't do that.
So their balance choice was to add a new stat that makes PvPers able to overcome high-geared PvEers because PvPers take less damage/deal more damage to PvEers due to a player-only resistance stat. I personally didn't like resilience, but it wasn't a game breaker for me perse.
a3258a No.13800764
>>13800728
The focus should always be on PvE first and PvP second. Balance was always a mess because Blizzard was trying to do the impossible by trying to balance a game for PVE and PVP at the same time. Resilience was the result of this, among other retarded balance decisions.
edae1e No.13800834
>>13800187
>Do you enjoy THROWING KNIVES?
Last time I went to ony raid as a Rogue i had none
d8d5d7 No.13800851
Omg lmao.
People voted in every way to keep the experience as miserable as possible.
>duel spec?
Nope! Enjoy your one way to play with respecing cost being nonviable.
>dishornorable kills
Cause those just made world pvp so much fun!
>No dire maul on launch
Cause people just ran that so much right?
>Multiple AQ events?
Nope. Hope your on for your one and only shot at this!
>Would you want there to be more tank variety?
Nope! Enjoy your warrior only experience.
>Want to have a bigger bank so you don't need bank alts?
Nope! Gotta get that true pain in the ass experience!
This servers will be dead in less than a year when people remember how miserable an experience vanilla actually was, where only people who could throw away all their free time could get anywhere.
4c353d No.13800866
>>13800851
I agree.
There's a lot of fags complaining about muh nostalgia and can't get over it even if the changes are objectively good in every single way. Hell, they even want old bugs included.
44e055 No.13800882
>>13799950
Nope, therefore /thread.
36ce51 No.13800915
>>13800851
Vanilla players are masochistic, the bitter feeling "player friendly" mechanics that took the game`s soul made everybody that treasured those days to repent all those times shitting on the bad aspects of the game, you clearly are a retail guy or didn`t played vanilla servers at all, having a bad time and still keep pushing on is what made vanilla vanilla
Now about the player retention the answer is easy: Make like diablo2 and do leagues every few months to mimic the server hoping dynamic established after this many years.
8a0404 No.13800927
Everquest 1 has set the blueprint for this. They will probably copy their model.
>An EverQuest Progression Server is a special server that launches with only the game's original zones and content. Additional content and expansions then unlock over time, depending on the specific rules of the various servers. This allows players to enjoy each era and expansion in order, similar to how the game evolved originally.
https://www.everquest.com/news/eq-what-is-a-progression-server
a70711 No.13800945
>>13800927
I seriously doubt they're going to put the effort in to try and mimic vanilla's patch progression. Anyone hoping for that is setting themselves up for even more disappointment.
8a0404 No.13800954
>>13800945
If daybreak can do it, it can't be difficult.
64f8c8 No.13800983
The only things that would ever improve vanilla is if they went back and actually adhered to their aims, and promises and took all inspiration from the Warcraft P&P RPG, included NPC schedules, and generally took a few pages from Project:Gorgon
Pic Related- an actually challenging Lich King- because you know, you never fought him in WOLK, just Arthas THINKING he was actually the Lich King after he literally ruined the entire point of WCIII in the events of a single shitty book.
The problem with Warcraft is that it's no longer a decent RPG experience, there's clear nasty bulk in number tallying, a lack of consistency with monster bestiary abilities, Roleplay is no longer required, and the mage is no longer utility, which is a core part of such classes even in it's form in tabletop.
They simply didn't understand that the idea of imbalance is actually a good thing if you simply make thing even out- or anything else that could be considered innovative.
68a767 No.13800993
>hey fans who have been playing classic for 13 years now, we heard you really love vanilla
>so here's a bunch of way we can turn it into shit-laced chocolate :^)
Fuck kikes, fuck Activision, fuck nu-WoW's playerbase, and fuck polling for mob rule. I can't believe I had any faith in current year Blizzard to not fuck this up.
44e055 No.13801015
>>13800983
Roleplaying was never required and WoW was never anything but the barest minimum of cargo-cult RPG mechanics.
a9bdf3 No.13801040
>>13800915
ah you dont gotta do leagues, just release a new server every few months
the leagues for the server firsts make themselves
d3ff2f No.13801073
The admins of the ""official"" classic wow leddit board are literal communist trannies.
As much as I want classic WoW, this shit without a doubt will be ruined.
b643b1 No.13801075
Already looking grim. Peeked over on the classic subforum they set up. And here's what I've found
>CM with blue text saying they want to know if specs and classes should be "rebalanced" an to remove hybrid tax
>Most people say no
>Ever retail shitter left is claiming it'll make the game "better"
>People are only mentioning endgame raids in their arguments and even then just shit like MC and BWL
Gets better
>Retail shitters calling the people wanting classic "toxic purists"
>Retrads get called out on it
>CM and some MVP try to defend shitters
>Get BTFO
>Topics get locked for being "too hostile"
I should also mention to even make a thread on the classic subforum you must have an active sub to the game. People logging into old accounts or people making accounts to post can only post in threads made by people with active subs.
d3ff2f No.13801080
>>13801075
I would compile pictures of all these retards but I had to stop browsing the forums and any discussion about it because I was losing my mind at just how fucking intellectually dishonest all of these shills are. Even in guilds I was in on Lights Hope there were people shilling for rebalancing paladins and druids. It's a cancerous plague that can't be stopped. Thank god the Nostalrius core is open source.
b643b1 No.13801085
>>13800851
Dire Maul wasn't at launch in vanilla though. 1.3 introduced it.
>>13800710
>Wanting the reddit guild
It's shown it's colours and is the reddit guild it always was in but name.
>now recruiting redditors and normalfags
>on a third discord
>>13801080
Even better is I saw some posts outright removed or the posters stopped posting suddenly which tells me they got banned.
d3ff2f No.13801090
>>13801085
Fuck even reading back through this thread I'm seeing retarded normalfag kikes shilling for rebalancing. No where is sacred from these absolute fucking idiots.
44e055 No.13801091
>>13801075
Why are you surprised? The Blizzard forums have always been the the rotting asshole of the Internet. Fuck, the Blizzard community is a rotting asshole.
b643b1 No.13801095
>>13801091
funny enough. the CM was priaising plebbit because "they're more agreeable than you people" (read: They agree with my opionions".
One of the low level faggots brought up how reddit is a shit site, in nice words and pointed out a majority on the wow subreddit were likely retail players.
That guy got banned
5bb978 No.13801105
>>13801075
I saw the topic on wowhead and I made the mistake of looking at that sites comments. I belive that they are worse than the classic forums because at least the classic forums have people with brains defending classic while the retarded fucks at wowhead are still sucking blizz disgusting jewish cock via Legion.
3044cb No.13801127
>>13800983
Fuck me, I would kill for a IWD styled Warcraft RPG
371477 No.13801136
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>>13800184
>every other iteration of the mmo genre is shit after it
*cough*
well.. eve is older than wow so i guess your point still hold
c867c6 No.13801159
>>13800330
>Your average player today treats everyone like shit, and you're going to have strict gear checks before you can get into raids
Dont forget the Achievement checks…
I came back to WoW halfway around WOTLK after quitting in early TBC due to irl-issues and selling my account and without a few old friends who were kind enough to let me tag along on their alt-raids just for the sake of getting the fucking achievements i'd have had no fucking change to progress at all!
Shit, many people even wanted you to link the achievement for fucking piss-easy 5man dungeons though not like i can blame them, i played a warrior so i could just easily tank most of them but sometimes i had to switch to dps because some other schmuck wanted to tank and boy oh boy… i've met people with fucking DOWNS i went to a "special" school due to being half-deaf that arent as retarded as the average player from the DungeonFinder!
371477 No.13801173
>>13800993
>Fuck kikes, fuck Activision,
ahah i see you are still focuses on the single tree and can t see the whole forest behind it :^)
bc889d No.13801176
>>13801075
yeah no diminishing returns on stuns was great, I can't wait to be perma-stunned by a random rogue or perma-sapped and just not be allowed to play the game until he gets bored or I DC
b643b1 No.13801177
>>13801105
Retail players aren't the target audience for this and think they should get a say.
Retarded forum mods already trying to muscle the dialogue one way.
95a29a No.13801192
>>13800851
making druids and pallies viable raid tanks would be about the only class balance changes I'd be willing to tolerate for classic. Although I suspect that would just make the horde scream even more about the alliance having too much of a pve advantage in vanilla getting a third tank class on top of already having a threat blessing and fear ward.
b643b1 No.13801201
>>13801192
Pretty much.
>>13801176
Wouldn't mind what most "progressive" private servers do. Lock talents and abilities at 1.12 Everything else behind gated progression.
3eba7f No.13801219
>>13801173
Who the fuck are you to go and lie like that on the internet. Tencent doesn't own Epic or Blizzard. Don't just mix lies with truth like that, I hate those fucking commie chinky chinese motherfuckers more than the average bear, but you can't just LIE like that. That just makes the whole image suspect despite the fact that it's mostly true.
FUCK CHINA and FUCK TENCENT but they don't own Epic or Blizzard. They're still huge fucking jewish chinks who own way too fucking much thanks to their shithole communist country and its severe lack of freedom and competition (and also dumb as fuck westerners who buy lootboxes), but Unreal is free. Not from their influence, surely, but from their ownership.
d3ff2f No.13801246
>>13800330
I love how so many retards spout this retarded inane fucking shit about how "vanilla will be so bad today people will treat it like they do regular WoW because they are all tryhards and no one will ever get into groups".
You fucking morons spout so much shit that seems to completely ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have been playing vanilla WoW just fine for the last 5 years, and even longer than that sometimes.
>>13801176
Oh look it's the infamous "if it isn't 1.0 and the exact same patch progression that it was back in the day then completely rebalancing the classes is justified" cancer again.
>>13801177
Retail players quickly realised that classic was going to surpass retail in popularity once they saw that people couldn't even remember the name of the new expansion and were only talking about classic everywhere on the forums. So they've gone into a full panic trying to desperately make the game shit so they can either tolerate playing it, or successfully kill it and go back to their slot machine diablo 4 dress-up game MMO.
>>13801192
The only two specs in the game that aren't viable are boomkins and prot paladins. Every other spec has its place in a raid environment at a casual level. If you don't like not being able to play prot paladin then don't play vanilla. It's pretty simple.
371477 No.13801288
>>13801219
you are so fucking cute
< but they don't own Epic
>In June 2012, Chinese company Tencent Holdings acquired approximately 48.4% of Epic then issued share capital, equating to 40 percent of total Epic — inclusive of both stock and employee stock options, for $330 million. Tencent Holdings has the right to nominate directors to the board of Epic Games and thus counts as an associate of the Group
https://www.please use archive.is/2013/3/21/4131702/tencents-epic-games-stock-acquisition
>A number of high-profile staff left the company months after the deal was announced.
https://www.please use archive.is/articles/chinese-internet-company-owns-40-percent-of-epic-games/1100-6405749/
<or blizzard
ok you are correct here, that was an exageration they only hold about 24% combine with a few other
bc889d No.13801298
>>13801246
>Hundreds of thousands
Damn I wasn't aware servers that crashed at 5k people at once were hundreds of thousands.
also the fuck did your response to me even mean. it doesn't even make sense
b643b1 No.13801306
>>13801246
Honestly it's fuckign sad. And with the final stretch not even in sight I can guarantee people will return to private servers.
>>13801298
One server isn't all of the community. Gotta remember peopkle still play on kronos and on feenix. others waiting for vanilla official. Even more still are playing retail, waiting for the official servers. Then you have those waiting on the "perfect" vanilla private server be it memefall or whatever.
371477 No.13801307
bc889d No.13801319
>>13801306
Yeah I'm saying that it isn't in any ways close to hundreds of thousands of people. Especially "in the past 5 years"
a70711 No.13801321
>>13801246
>Every other spec has its place in a raid environment at a casual level.
Come on. "Casual raid environment" meant 10 people doing 95% of the work. Of course it doesn't matter then.
7a7eb1 No.13801333
WoW is one of the most heinously ugly games to ever, EVER come out, how anyone can play this shit and not want to gouge their fucking eyeballs out is beyond me.
2b3867 No.13801370
>people are against duel talent spec and cheap talent respec
Why? That was literally a tax on someone who raided and pvped. It wasn't a good feature.
b643b1 No.13801379
>>13801370
You can make more than one character.
Dual spec was wrath shit and respec ramped up the more you respeced. it's not hard to realize you should just be leveling an alt if you wanna roll a certain way.
95a29a No.13801380
>>13801246
you don't think a plate wearing class that has an entire talent tree called "protection" *not* being able to tank is just a little fucking moronic and reflects badly on Blizzard's game design? I've always mocked Retardins bitching about wanting more DPS and "muh crusader strike", but I can totally get the old school paladin players being pissed to discover their class can't tank because blizzard management didn't rein in some cocksucking shithead developer they hired from a fucking Everquest guild from making game design decisions based on his old forum drama fests.
2b3867 No.13801384
>>13801379
>I should level two of the same class because of a gold tax
Autism was a mistake.
77d41a No.13801387
>>13799935
>people voting "yes" on releasing dungeons early and making them require less people but "no" on fun bullshit like Darkmoon Fair and the fishing extravaganza and "no" on useful shit like cross realm BGs, meeting stones and dual talent specs
>"b-but link my flight paths and have auction houses in every city!"
>one of the questions literally starts with "classes were balanced throughout vanilla"
nostalgia fags are truly the worst there is
a3258a No.13801418
>>13800851
>vanilla players demand vanilla servers
>surprised they want the game to be vanilla
lol what
95a29a No.13801419
>>13801387
>useful shit like cross realm BGs
Please die. xserver battle grounds was the beginning of the game's decline. If there were two possible changes that would make me avoid Classic at all cost. It would be cross realm BGs and using MoP style talent bullshit instead of actual talent trees.
b643b1 No.13801425
>>13801384
Or don't constantly change specs. or pick a class where you won't have to reroll every 5 seconds.
>>13801387
If you took the time to read a lot of people advocating for this shit are retail faggots. And whats worse is the retail faggots are the only ones really given any power to post. New accounts ore accounts with no active sub can't start threads
d3ff2f No.13801427
>>13801298
>doesn't know the difference between concurrent players and active players
Jesus christ dude.
>>13801321
I've healed plenty of feral druids over the years. I've raiding with plenty of ret paladins. Sure they don't do good damage but if they put enough effort into their character you can clear the content fine.
Plenty of specs don't do good damage depending on the tier and boss fight. It's retarded to want to rebalance specs because you'll never balance anything in WoW. The fact people don't understand this is fucking baffling. You've had 14 years to witness how impossible WoW is to balance and yet the minute we finally get a defined version of the game that doesn't need to be balanced because everyone knows what they are getting, guess what? Suddenly everyone wants shit rebalanced again as if the last fucking decade never happened.
The number 1 reason people quit WoW is because of their classes getting rebalanced constantly throughout the expansion. Making their choice feel "wrong" and making them feel like shit. One of the biggest appeals of vanilla WoW is knowing exactly what the fuck you're getting into.
I pick paladin, I know I'm healing and I know I will be good all throughout the expansion. I pick warlock, I know my damage will be utter fucking shit at first but that I'll become a literal god in the later tiers.
People don't need to lose their shit over the game constantly changing. Just like I don't need to worry about random shit changing when I want to go back to play Dark Souls. This is the entire point of people begging for legacy servers in the first place. People have been discussing this for god knows how many years and then suddenly when it's announced retail drones pretend like this argument hadn't been wrapped up likely before they were even fucking out of school.
>>13801370
Dual talent spec is fucking retarded in vanilla. Lowering respec costs is sort of understandable but still completely unnecessary. If you can't muster up 50g a few times a week a few months into being 60 than you're very likely a fucking retard.
This is the problem with the way you guys discuss these things though. If someone said they wanted a 30g respec cap instead of 50g, then it's a lot easier to agree with that even though I might be on the side of wanting very little to no changes at all. But you always lace your reasonable requests with stupid shit like dual spec.
You'll see this bullshit tactic all over the forums. Every reasonable thought has some agenda behind it and they always slip in their autistic shit like transmog, pixar character models, or whatever other cancerous bullshit they personally want.
You don't actually care about the game, only your role within the game as an individual. This is what has lead to the downfall of all video games. Instead of developing a world full of challenges for people to explore and overcome, they develop games where anyone can do whatever they want and nothing could ever possibly be a nuisance or unfair.
>>13801380
It doesn't matter if it was shit game design. There are a million aspects of vanilla that can be considered shit game design. If you want a game that fixes these issues then you play retail. The point of legacy is not to fix the millions of things that are annoying in vanilla. It's to preserve an experience that people want to go back to.
The slippery slope is real. I can apply your same logic to virtually every single aspect of vanilla.
>why wouldn't you want boss mechanics to be revamped, they are too easy anyways
>why wouldn't you want the pvp system revamped, it's retarded isn't it?
>why wouldn't you want rogue's combo points to be transferable between targets? it's objectively more fun gameplay
>why wouldn't you want hunters to have focus? mana is a boring resource pool for damage dealers
We can go down that rabbit hole all day and you can guess where we end up. If you don't like vanilla because it has shit game design, then fuck off and go play something else you stupid nigger.
>>13801387
>n-negate a classes niche because walking to a dungeon is too hard
>I-I want half the specs in the game to be forced to constantly switch specs in order to buff people in between bosses
Kill yourself you absolute brain dead faggot.
b643b1 No.13801445
>>13801427
Would agree on the respec but as a counter point you were supposed to be invested in what you were speccing. the big 50g fee was from people constantly respeccing because most of them tended to be warriors shifting between prot and DPS.
Personally I'm in the boat I've seen a few people on the forums post about. Fix the engine underneath. Make it run smoother on newer hardware. Fix that things that caused CTD. Anything that in testing that would be labeled as a game stopper bug should be fixed.
2b3867 No.13801454
>>13801427
Why is duel talent bad other than you don't like it? What pointless layer of depth is being lost by including it?
I was able to afford it back in old wow but I didn't like it. It's not something that should come back.
2b3867 No.13801459
>>13801425
Or, don't include it because it did nothing. Why are you so insistent on shitty mechanics?
b643b1 No.13801483
>>13801459
It wasn't in vanilla. Can't be classic if you're changing shit. You wanna play retail go play it. Every spec plays the same in retail. A lot of people forget in vanilla utility was also important. Things like DPS were a big issue yeah but you needed people to fill niches. And even outside dungeons and raids some specs and builds were fun because of the utility they provided in PvE and PvP.
2b3867 No.13801489
>>13801483
>classic wow has to be 100% the same with no changes because it was flawless
It's time to take the goggles off.
a70711 No.13801495
>>13801427
I'm not arguing for rebalancing vanilla just that you're being dishonest in calling worthless specs viable. Sure you can carry a few people being essentially dead weight through most content but that doesn't make it a good thing either for that player or the rest of the raid. Don't act like you never had the drama of 'why can <other player> DPS while I'm forced to heal?' Or when they get loot that could've gone to someone that would get 10x the use out of it. You're promoting people play selfishly at the expense of the rest of the raid.
>>13801489
What's the point in calling it vanilla if it isn't vanilla?
bc889d No.13801510
>>13801483
man remember how warlocks were near useless in most situations outside of being able to SS and summon people?
That's the real balance.
>>13801495
It's not vanilla though, it's "classic" vanilla was a shit show a lot of the time with classes, I want classes to have their own niches, but not to the point of "SS is up on priest and people are summoned, relog into your mage so we can get the raid going"
de8010 No.13801518
>>13801510
you need warlocks to banish adds on garr and apply curse of elements to make your mages better, though ;^)
a70711 No.13801523
>>13801510
>It's not vanilla though, it's "classic"
Don't argue semantics you nigger. Blizzard has always called it "classic" in game and the community calls it vanilla. The guy that fucking announced it even used the term vanilla on stage.
a3258a No.13801524
>>13801384
It keeps the game alive. Low levels and inexperienced players benefit from experienced players rerolling because they can be guided through dungeons and quests. It's a social game you fucking autists.
b643b1 No.13801526
>>13801510
>Warlocks
>Useless
d3ff2f No.13801583
>>13801510
>warlocks useless
I love how all of the people arguing for rebalancing vanilla literally have no idea what the fuck they are talking about and call one of the single best classes in the entire game "useless". This is why no one wants you or anyone else to touch class balance in vanilla. Because not you or blizzard has any fucking clue what they are doing and the only people that want classes rebalanced are the kind of people that didn't even want legacy in the first place.
bc889d No.13801595
>>13801583
right sorry, oh wait you're a dumbass, having more than 3 locks was actually detrimental because of the debuff limit on all enemies, but don't worry, they can spam… shadow bolt for minimal damage, have pets that can't hit worth a shit, and be less useful than a rogue in all non onyxia raids
d3ff2f No.13801638
>>13801595
Are you legitimately trying to pass "you typically only bring 3 of them" as an argument for them being a shit class?
Instead of saying "you only bring 3", I could word it as "you literally have to have 3 or 4 for a viable raid comp", which is incredibly hard to come by on alliance as warlocks are underplayed. Fucking kill yourself.
bc889d No.13801644
>>13801638
>40 man raid
>3 is the very max because of vanilla's debuff cap
>literally exist for consumables and mediocre DoTs
d3ff2f No.13801669
>>13801644
>you don't bring 8 prot warriors to the raid what the fuck prot warriors are so bad
b643b1 No.13801692
>>13801644
16 debuffs wasn't bad and considering how much DPS late game locks shat out it was decent. You just are upset dots and debuffs can't be spammed in vanilla thus "lock bad lol"
bc889d No.13801695
>>13801669
well as there's literally only one tank class in the game not like you had a fucking choice.
>>13801692
Locks are the only class that hit the limit as often and rely on it as much.
More than half their damage comes from them, so they're hard capped on how many you can really have without doing meme tier "all lock run, we fail every dps check!"
fd02dd No.13801718
>Blizzcuck WoWfaggots will give money to Blizzard for this afyer they shut down Legacy servers
>When they ban everyone that they don't like
http://archive.is/uico5
b643b1 No.13801723
>>13801695
Was worse early vanilla when cap was 8 debuffs. Then again I've seen people talking about how shit retail is and how they got kicked for poor DPS, when they had rolled healer.
>>13801718
>Being a nostfag
Reminder nost didn't close because blizzard told them to. They did of their own volition. Lots of servers, even low pop ones just move hosts. Nost tried to get jobs at blizzard and failed
da00b9 No.13801749
it's funny how loud retail shitters whine like a bunch of toddlers about classic server shit because mommy isn't giving them their undivided attention.
if it's not going to be 95% vanilla, blizzard shouldn't even bother.
d3ff2f No.13801755
>>13801718
>he thinks blizzard shut down nost
Lol
a3258a No.13801771
>>13801749
99%, only very few quality of life changes are acceptable, such as guild banks.
8e2a9f No.13801854
>>13800209
>I want fucking Warcraft 4 already
Be careful what you wish for. I wanted Diablo 3 until it was a pile of shit. Now I'm playing PoE with edgelords like some jackass.
a310bf No.13801965
>>13800851
>Cause those just made world pvp so much fun!
dishonorable kills should have been more punishing. i wasted so much time logging into my 60's to camp other dumbass 60 pasty whiteboy cucks that sucked so bad at pvp they had to kill level 20s. made the leveling way fucking slower. one of the dumbasses on elysium uploaded a shitty youtube video with hardcore rap and LEVELS BLURRED OUT so he would look cool. retard
world pvp in stv against people within 5-10 levels of me with groups were fun as fuck though.
finally there's a lot of shit wrong with vanilla wow. back then players were new and it wasnt much of a problem but now people are "too good" for wow. premades and other bullshit need to be massively tweaked because the system is being abused all to hell. premades should be against premades, all that crap. it's just obvious shit. if you dont think so you really need to git gud. you just suck if you need a premade to beat randoms, and if you need to fight randoms to prevent the long premade vs premade turtle matches then that's a problem with the game. the game needs to be tweaked to prevent that shit.
00659d No.13801972
>>13800073
They only need 10% of that 15% to pay.
68a767 No.13802008
>>13801972
Only 90 people said they would, assuming those are all legitimate answers and not trolls, that's 2,700 shekels a month. Activision shits that out on a 10 second basis, hardly relevant.
8479f0 No.13802022
>>13801370
vanilla has very little gold sinks past your mount, consider that
b643b1 No.13802050
>>13802022
Gold was also harder to come by. You forget xpacs just made getting gold easier
7e88cb No.13802061
>>13801159
>Dont forget the Achievement checks…
I'm pretty sure he was talking about vanilla. On private servers, if you want to pug any raids, you're basically required to have fully-chanted preraid BiS.
a3258a No.13802064
>>13802022
Equipment repairs.
3c90f5 No.13802069
>>13800851
>wanting dual spec in vanilla when it never was in vanilla
go back to legion you nigger.
a3258a No.13802070
>>13802050
This too, expansions inflated gold.
371477 No.13802135
>>13801454
see? you dont get the point .
its not about depth.
it was a way to make you character have an identity:
you were a ret paladin, not something else.
for me dual talent is the rotten seed that brought retail switch and go talent tree. were you can be anything and everything within one character.
it's like:
>"i want to be the best mma fighter, but then i gotta use second intelect base talent for schoola nd be the best scientist"
maybe you will concider this IRL analogy stupid, but the fact is that in vanilla: the world was something separated from you, it didn t care for you, and that's why this "you are one and character" is important, the same way cross realm GB/raid/dungeon group is TOTAL BULLSHIT
9f0193 No.13802150
My money is that devs decide to fix Vanilla and completely fuck it up. Then when 3 month later we get to see smug retail players talk how vanilla is so shit that no one will play it.
They should have just make the servers in silence, make announcement and release in next week of announcement, that way you get maximum hype and there is't this constant fight what to changes.
b643b1 No.13802188
>>13802150
Most likely. Not to mention retail players are throwing a fit and wanting "QoL" changes to vanilla because they can't run naxx with hybrids.
38ee7e No.13802201
>>13801427
>The number 1 reason people quit WoW is because of their classes getting rebalanced constantly throughout the expansion.
That was a big reason for me. They kept homogenizing everything and stripping everything that was fun, at least for me. I mained Shaman, and every xpac down they road past TBC fucked with the class. Less totems, other classes getting our skills, Windfury stopped procing on itself which may have been bullshit sure but it was still awesome
77a053 No.13802337
>>13799986
>>13800003
Help me get one of the Asheron's Call server emulators running. I have the hardware resources to support maybe 100-150 players.
I'm just terrible at Windows server software setup.
b643b1 No.13802379
>>13802303
>No time stamp
To be fair they didn't go full jagex and force a gay pride parade on people.
857157 No.13802400
>>13802303
>being mad about freedom
1a3587 No.13802426
>>13802400
>>13802303
>>13802337
Is it normal to no longer have hope for western nations at this point?
77a053 No.13802452
>>13802426
>Is it normal to no longer have hope for western nations at this point?
Uhhh… I mean if I can get an AC1 server up and running I would be the monarch of the whites-only guild. I'm not sure why you replied to me.
I just want to run a deceased MMO and pkill /v/irgins.
857157 No.13802469
>>13802426
You do realize that you are as much cringy as full-on ""LGTBQ+" Socialists" whining about trivial shit on tumblr, right ?
d38f45 No.13802533
>>13802426
Please go ahead and kill yourself. You've posted the same shit in two threads and made your own thread about it, go attention whore on /pol/ or something.
857157 No.13802558
>>13802546
>some drunk easterners burned a painted bush
So brave
b60c55 No.13802569
>>13802558
I dare you to burn any gay shit a public space in your country
da0856 No.13802596
>Google poll
>Just by visiting the link your name/email is attached to it
>Implying blizzard can't just use this to ban people
59e790 No.13802676
>>13800866
>they even want old bugs included.
Why?
They're bugs, not features!
b643b1 No.13802716
>>13802566
oh the retail fags are upset at him because he's "spreading hate"
c1c88d No.13802765
>>13800149
But anon, I can get most of your post in TBC with less terrible game play. The only thing I'll give you is a Classic server with the pre-TBC talent patch update.
b643b1 No.13802836
the classic forums are being flooded with people that started playing cata and beyond. Can see the trainwreck forming now
a99cf1 No.13802866
>>13799980
With the exception of crafting and instances, you basically just described a bunch of elements that were all in Guild Wars. And while crafting is debatable as to being a good/bad thing, there's literally nothing wrong with using personalized instances for your party.
371477 No.13802867
>>13802836
hope not
>"We’re going to hire people specifically for this job, and we’re going to staff it with people who are interested in bringing back Classic WoW in the best, most authentic way," Brack says. "And that’s how we’ll be successful."
c1c88d No.13802871
>>13802022
Vanilla was a time when 100g was a lot of money. Respecs costing up to 50g is stupid and only hurts people who want to experience both PvE and PvP.
a99cf1 No.13802904
>>13802050
>>13802022
>>13802871
I made more gold in the first week of BC content than in a whole month of Vanilla content before it. It was pretty bad.
b643b1 No.13802908
>>13802867
They've already started asking about shit like "how do you feel about class blances"
One of the mods, a CM "felt victimized" when he was told that ret pallies can't tank in vnailla and are shit.
Said CM is a ret pally main.
b643b1 No.13802909
>>13802871
Not relly. Just roll two characters.
c1c88d No.13802920
>>13802909
>Roll mutiple characters.
>With vanilla leveling times to max level.
>So I can spend more shekels on dat monthly fee.
Oh, I get it now. You're from Blizzard.
371477 No.13802951
>>13802908
maybe i am in denial but i think the class balance was just poorly writen: i think they meant the class balance done IN VANNILA not new balance
b643b1 No.13802978
>>13802920
>Implying
Thing is you forget originally you did have to wait for content. Dig through the wow wiki and look at the release dates for patches. 1.12 came out in 06. TWO YEARS after the game launched.
Are you just hoping that you'll need 1 month to play and be done?
>>13802951
A lot of people are taking it not just on the wow forums but on plebbit and MMO champ to mean "everything is getting reworked".
The problem with retail is the specs and classes all play the same now. they're all master of non jack of all trades classes. In Vanilla specs mattered and provided utility and the like. The problem is a lot of these sites like the WoW subreddit from what I've read on the wow forums is very staunchly anti-legacy until recently and suddenly have gone "WTF I love legacy now!"
This was followed with suggestions to changing the game because they can't play. I've been looking at the posts of people who are advocating for changes on the Wow forum and most of them started posting in 2012 or 2013.
We can gripe all we want though because the moment WoW: Classic isn't classic it's just going to drive people back to private servers
231a62 No.13802988
>>13799935
https://don't use link shorteners/forms/rOHYFFp6i74a8or13
Because OP posted the results and not the poll to vote in, because OP is a raging faggot.
231a62 No.13802996
>>13802988
goo (dot) gl
not my fault that is the damn link they use for this poll on plebbit
c1c88d No.13803016
>>13802978
>Conversation is about respecs costing too much money in vanilla.
<Spergs out about time between content patches.
What the fuck are you even talking about, you 'tard? Scared of people calling your garbage game garbage so you feel the need to deflect to random nonsense? Well, Mr. (21), your (21) will turn into (210) when Classic releases and there are many, many more people beyond 8chan pointing out how badly vanilla aged. It is truly a game for the mouth breathers.
b643b1 No.13803031
>>13802988
>Going to plebbit
Also that poll is being passed around community forums that are ver yanti-legacy. The sad thing is blizzard is watching this poll. If they're actually going to take feedback from that I'd rather go back to playing private servers
231a62 No.13803063
Not sure why people in that poll want to keep DHKs. They were a pain in the ass and you could get them by circumstance during world pvp. It was a bad solution to a problem.
>>13803031
I went there because that is where they are hosting the poll, dumbass. Because someone apparently doesn't this board voting on it.
b643b1 No.13803103
>>13803063
>Broken English
>Not wanting dishonorable kills
Didn't someone in the reddit guild get like 100+ DHKs for fun?
371477 No.13803140
4c353d No.13803168
5dbb85 No.13803365
>>13803103
DKs kind of suck ass when you're just PvPing and in a group and you get them assigned to you because people weren't careful enough to not kill civs. I know any changes are muh slippery slope because of retailshitters but there really isn't any point to DKs
b643b1 No.13803405
>>13803365
Well it'd be fine if they brought the originally intended system with it. But that also isn't vanilla.
7711e2 No.13803425
Have they already announced how they will fuck this up?
de8010 No.13803451
>>13803425
No, it's just people jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst right now. Blizzard did say they don't even have a team dedicated to classic put together yet so the servers are likely years away.
a599e3 No.13803477
>>13799935
The best part about it will be not needing to play with Scandinavians.
b643b1 No.13803882
>>13803451
They said earliest was 2020.
The issue is they're asking if people would be ok with not vanilla things
fd5093 No.13803945
>>13800003
I wouldn't describe Hexen as "gritty," it's almost comic-book esque. But I agree that we should see more of that style.
fd5093 No.13803957
>>13802426
>Is it normal
Only if you think social media accurately reflects the opinions of real people it doesn't
a9bdf3 No.13803978
>>13802871
100g isn't so much money when you're level 60
200g is alot of money though, I'd say
anyway theres still plenty of room for inflation in vanilla WoW, and it does happen
a310bf No.13804204
WoW classic is how it should be! I know I enjoyed
>arcane for mages
>fire for mages(except for one single raid)
>balance. dont fucking dare say "its good for catching people off guard" thats so fucking stupid and ive heard it too much
>feral in almost all cases except leveling (and some pvp)
>shaman elemental this was only added because they needed 3 trees.
>paladin prot(shit in pvp and pve) paladins could only take garbage, not even trash mobs in raids.
>paladin ret(shit in pvp and pve) it was only good in true vanilla pvp when people were retards and didnt know how to play
>priest disc was only for one single talent. every single other one was "because i have extra talents/i need to get to the buffs"
and a shitton of talents were complete garbage like improved rend. absolute shit. all the ability rend was used for is keeping stealth away, if you used it for anything else you were a retard or had rage to waste.
then there's the fuckload of totally useless spells like the mages fire aoe(nobody ever used it), the warlock spellstone and plenty of others.
WoW Vanilla is bad in a lot of ways. It's WAY better than any modern MMO, including new WoW, but it needs a LARGE amount of improvement. I know they won't, but if blizz truly improves vWoW by rebalancing the specs, balancing useless spells, changing pvp, and adding guild banks I will fully approve.
also name one reason you dont think there should be guild banks. If it's "because vanilla" then you're just a nostalgiafag or a kid who never played back then that's trying to fit in to the retard hivemind.
7a7eb1 No.13804239
>>13803882
>people will pay to play a 50 year old game that was shit when my grandpa played when pservers already existed for years
WoWfags need zyklon
b643b1 No.13804254
>>13804239
You'd be surprised. Private servers are not perfect. Very far from it in fact. People would kill for a server not run by retards.
>>13804204
Nah, if these changes need to happen why not apply them to retail, the next xpac is coming out after all
82692e No.13804266
>>13803477
>The best part about it will be not needing to play with Scandinavians.
???
b9e1d9 No.13804269
>people unironically like wow on /v/
kill yourselves
a310bf No.13804295
>>13804254
retail is way to fucked. the lore is fucked, the progression is fucked, the raids are fucked, the loot is fucked, there's dungeon and raidfinder there's achievements, the zones are shit, i could go on and on. retail cant be unfucked at this point, but vanilla can. that's why they should happen to vanilla. i dont want a return to vanilla, I want a better mmo than the current shit.
b643b1 No.13804324
>>13804295
That's not vanilla then. What they should do is just use time fuckery after BFA to turn back time and start over. Bronze dragon flight fuckery that would allow them to go back to the roots, improve on it graphically and under the hood. reshape the world as "Timeline got altered lol" and go from there. reintroduce shit like dragon isles that never made it into the final and other things. rebuild the world and make it WoW 2
a9bdf3 No.13804339
I will make it known to /v/ that this forum exists:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/22814264/
they made a forum just for classic WoW; you can post(but not make threads or upvote) with a free trial account
837970 No.13804358
ZG, AQ and Naxx tokens would be good in MC and BWL. Reworking talent trees to make them more viable would also be nice. Some alternate timeline stuff that releases more raid content after Naxx would almost be enough for my money, if Blizzard was not owned by Activision and pozzed. Nothing else ought to be changed. 5 man and 10 mans in Scholo and UBRS would be nice too.
a9bdf3 No.13804368
>>13804358
there should be no raid content after naxx unless there is an item level squish
what they CAN do though, is release multiple raids per tier
b643b1 No.13804392
4c353d No.13804423
Just look at this fucking cuck.
https://archive.is/DIMu4
86e8b9 No.13804426
86e8b9 No.13804429
>>13804358
>Activision
This is why WoW became a casual shitfest.
c0dc2a No.13804446
>>13804423
>I know that individual player cost will need to be higher given lower player numbers.
Yes goy, we need you to pay more since there's less players and this server costs 6 million shekels to maintain
Why do faggots still believe this shit when private servers have been a thing for years
85c780 No.13805435
>>13804204
>arcane for mages
it had it's uses, but short of adding arcane blast or some other proper arcane nuke, it's never doing to be a competitive spec
>fire for mages(except for one single raid)
this was more due to having too many fucking fire based dungeons than a problem with the talent spec
>balance.
Agreed, as far as I'm concerned, Druid balance spec has never worked worth a shit.
>shaman elemental this was only added because they needed 3 trees.
maybe, but ele spec is pretty decent.
>paladin prot(shit in pvp and pve) paladins could only take garbage, not even trash mobs in raids.
agreed.
>paladin ret(shit in pvp and pve) it was only good in true vanilla pvp when people were retards and didnt know how to play
fuck ret. make pallies viable healers and viable tanks then fuck the retribution tree, they can go reroll warriors if they want a plate wearing dps class.
Overall, I'd just like to see every class have at least two viable talent trees, and more than a single fucking tank class. Hell, give shaman some bearform like +armor bonus talent deep in Enhancement and make them into tanks if need be.
abbaaf No.13805791
>>13801595
>shadow bolt for minimal damage
>shadow bolts hit for 2k in pre raid BiS
go back to retail you retarded piece of shit
5a12d8 No.13805804
>>13800073
I hope nobody here trusts Blizzard.
231a62 No.13805820
>>13804423
I forgot how cringy Blizz forums are. OP there is basically a findom paypig followed by a string of newfag players who don't even get the appeal of a classic server other than "look gais its old wow."
fd02dd No.13805829
>>13805804
>People saying they'll give Blizzard money if Classic turns out good
Plenty of retards here still trust Blizzard and they need to fuckoff back to >>>/reddit/
b643b1 No.13805868
>>13805829
>Implying it's trust and not want
You're a special breed of stupid.
The problem is you, me and the chair all know that if they fuck it up they'll lose that potential revenue source. Remember the sub count on retail is so low they no longer publicly report it. The "purists" a lot of the retail retards are calling are the ones who want this. the retail retards just need something else to do because their ADHD riddled brains stop them from enjoying anything longer than 1 hour long LMB spam shit.
5a12d8 No.13805966
>>13805829
I mean, if you're fine with some short term fun, sure but the games are supposed to be long term fun.
7309d7 No.13806087
>>13799950
>diehard autists
Where do you think you are?
8479f0 No.13806172
>>13802988
I was just trying to help my man I am sorry
898cd8 No.13806199
>>13805820
They also pay $40 to get the privilege of being shilled to once a year, in advance (Blizzcon).
dd2da7 No.13806336
>>13799986
>>13799952
lmao this Mists of Pandaria faggot is still pretending he played Ultima
898cd8 No.13806359
>>13806336
hes not wrong though
WoW was always shit, is shit and always will be shit.
dd2da7 No.13806376
>>13806359
>>13806199
Why are you talking about yourself in third person?
371477 No.13807047
the cancerous retail player never stop being retards
d5999b No.13807116
>>13807047
>implying that isn't one of us
36ce51 No.13807119
>>13807047
That`s bait, obviously
fce6c1 No.13807187
leveling a warlock currently 40 and its prerry fun so far leveling got really shitty at 20-30 but once i got into the 30s shit picked up i hope rhe retailfags dont fuck up the classic servers vannila is a really chill game to play with friends and i dont want that to be ruined
dd7696 No.13807263
Got banned from cuckchan /v/ for shit talking Alexensual.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) dd2da7 No.13807282
>>13807263
Go back to cuckchan, i am sure there are alot of other boards for you.
68a767 No.13807295
>>13807263
In what fucking way is that off-topic?
371477 No.13807309
>>13807295
>>13807263
go back and i hope you were using a vpn since you did not hide you ip
ed796c No.13807315
>>13807309
>cuckchan
>posting with a VPN
Choose one.
68a767 No.13807319
>>13807309
It's been years, lad, I don't want to go back, I like my home away from trannies and ERPers. Just surprised half's mods continue to outdo themselves on a daily basis.
a3258a No.13807333
>>13807319
After the neofag debacle I don't see how anyone can be surprised.
dd7696 No.13807438
>>13807282
>>13807309
I don't want to go back, it's terrible there.
Please take me in.
a3258a No.13807497
b643b1 No.13807701
>>13807263
>Cuckchan
you'd fit in with infinity.
That being said it seems the CM that's supposed to be watching this shit is basically parking their fat ass on the wow subreddit which is mainly all retail children and most of them are probably cata babbies.
b643b1 No.13807890
dd7696 No.13808006
>>13807890
N O H Y B R I D T A X
371477 No.13808612
== HOPE == ?
http://archive.is/AIh6H
tl;dr
base on this : seems like blizz will not listend to the troll or retail fanboy.
all the "balance" or "change" are about how to define the best vanilla because release vanilla =/= pre TBC vanilla.
a70711 No.13808660
>>13808612
>fucks up redtext
>that post formatting
Nigga what are you doing.
371477 No.13808729
>>13808660
>Nigga what are you doing.
making you react. if i didn't would you have commented ? but yea i fucked up red text and decide to let it be
a9bdf3 No.13808744
>>13807890
>>13808006
luph pls go
ZG shouldn't need to be released at the same time as MC since it was intended as a catchup raid(unless they make ZG as hard as MC), hybrid tax is worth having because hybrids can do things other than their primary role when it is called for(not just buffing), casters are strong enough early on, and the quality of life stuff don't need to be there, except idk what you meant about mailboxes
3b4293 No.13808799
I know they will charge subscriptions because Blizz but if it's cheap I might get in to finish the raids I never finished before BC dropped.
>>13800323
>not theory crafting OG WoW and BC
It's casual as fuck now but that wasn't always the case.
0c978c No.13808833
a70711 No.13808840
>>13808744
Did everyone forget ZG launched with shit blue gear and they buffed it later?
a9bdf3 No.13808850
>>13808840
you mean it never had any epics at one point?
599b94 No.13808851
>>13800106
This. WoW gameplay has always been tedious and never challenging. All these 25-35 yo faggots are trying to recapture the fun they had in vanilla and it's simply not going to happen.
599b94 No.13808870
>>13800209
>warcraft 4
Never ever. Look at what happened to Dawn of War 3. It's going to be the same thing. Blizzard will most likely turn it into an ASSFAGGOTS rip off and tarnish the image forever.
599b94 No.13808888
>>13802533
You mad faggot?
dd7696 No.13809062
What's Paladin like in Vanilla?
I'm thinking of rolling one and, before anyone says anything, I am more than happy to heal in raids.
When I get some decent gear, is Shockadin a viable spec or is it a meme?
371477 No.13809082
>>13809062
prot paladin can be use to fool around but not viable in raid (and many call them trash)
but paladin are Op healer so if you take one and want to be usefull go holy
retribution are meh IIRC
paladin being better in TBC is what make me love TBC so much
dd7696 No.13809088
>>13809082
Will I be able to smite heathens?
I don't mind if certain classes have an advantage over me but I would like to at least stand a chance in PvP.
0c978c No.13809110
Anything that was wrong in vanilla was fixed in Burning Crusade. That was actually the best iteration of the game.
dd7696 No.13809112
>>13809110
Except flying.
Flying was a horrible idea.
d9ac73 No.13809129
>>13809112
worst thing about TBC was it made Azeroth irrelevant.
dd7696 No.13809139
>>13809129
I agree.
I don't like Blood Elves or Draenei either but that might be an unpopular opinion.
a70711 No.13809143
>>13809088
>vanilla paladins smiting anything
It's more that your enemies will succumb to old age fighting you.
dd7696 No.13809147
>>13809143
So I wont get picked on while levelling due to the hassle of killing me?
d9ac73 No.13809153
>>13809139
Honestly all WoW races are pretty shit. They coped everything from Warhammer and they still managed to fuck it up.
7edd45 No.13809157
>>13808612
>Start from the very first patch.
Yes please. I want to spawn infernals in the auction house, spread the blood plague, and all sorts of other crazy glitches like aoeing the people in gadgetzan.
a9bdf3 No.13809162
>>13809147
one of the main benefit are not being targeted by similarly-leveled rogues, except the ones that are super pro like the guy who starred in world of roguecraft
d9ac73 No.13809164
>>13809157
>expecting to let the biggest no fun allowed dev to let that happen again
dd7696 No.13809168
>>13809157
You know, I forgot all about that stuff.
I think we should start on the first patch.
By the way, when do Warlocks get the ritual to summon that nasty demon?
>>13809162
I heard Rogues are dogshit against classes with high armour, is that true?
>>13809164
True
a9bdf3 No.13809173
>>13809168
rogues are typically taken down by warriors and moreso by paladins
they can beat warriors if they're good though, and they gotta be even more good to beat paladins
75974c No.13809195
>>13809173
>implying mace spec rogues
fe22bd No.13809208
>>13809173
>>13809168
They are capable of killing a paladin if they have cloth armor.
If the paladin is in plate armor, the rogue will mostly waste a lot of time trying to kill them. Paladins are not strong in terms of giving out damage but being tanky makes them the hardest thing to kill for a rogue with all their healing.
7edd45 No.13809220
>>13809168
>By the way, when do Warlocks get the ritual to summon that nasty demon?
I hope that glitch on nost where you can spam click the altar to spawn a hundred of them is on the classic server.
a9bdf3 No.13809236
>>13809168
level 60, from either casting curse of doom on an enemy and landing the killing blow with that spell(10% chance), or getting a grimoire of doom from the trash mobs near kazzak, or by doing a quest chain involving dire maul: east and the places near kazzak; both of the latter means are a 100% chance and involve the altar
371477 No.13809272
>>13809208
wait, if plate paladin can be so resilient why can t they tank in raid ? do they have issue with keeping agro?
30c9f3 No.13809306
>>13809272
That plus paladins require mana to cast their spells and the best plate tank gear did not have any int, so you ran into the problem of having to use worse gear and be uncapped (in other words get crit by the boss) just so you can use your abilities for longer, or be capped and run out of mana quickly, losing aggro
a9bdf3 No.13809307
>>13809272
yes actually they do; they also have mana problems
fe22bd No.13809311
>>13809272
they can have great AOE aggro and can create huge threat.
But they have no taunt.
990017 No.13809325
>>13801085
Personally I see no reason that DM or Mauradon can't be there on launch. It's a lot less fun going there when you're already decked out in full MC gear.
a9bdf3 No.13809339
>>13809325
the existence of DM makes MC alot easier
mara on the other hand only has a handful of items that aren't outclassed by items from higher-level dungeons, most notably the blackstone ring
8479f0 No.13809441
>>13809062
healing pallys never go OOM (if your on the naxx patch) because a healing crit refunds your mana which is huge. Most efficient tank healers in the game
Ret can get some shit done in endgame pvp but it takes reckoning stacks, the on demand stun makes you a huge asset
Prot can tank strath and scholo, maybe ubrs, but no real raids that require the tank to be at or near defense cap
b60abf No.13809477
Hearthglen tomorrow, boys.
https://hearthglen.org/news
990017 No.13809517
>>13809477
I mean some of these changes I like but
>5x
How about no.
dd7696 No.13809531
>>13809477
>5x XP
What's the point?
371477 No.13809542
>>13809477
>x5 quest exp
>x4 kill exp
>x2 rested exp
>quicker weapon skill increase
>x2 crafting
>-~40% in rep requirement
>+33% drop aditionnal loot
>x3 to x5 rarity drop rate with
GTFO and killyourself
b60abf No.13809544
>>13809531
For fun and not burning yourself out if you want to play several classes before classic.
371477 No.13809569
>>13809544
better play tbc then
dd7696 No.13809577
I'm really looking forward Classic.
Though I can't play Lights Hope for some reason.
Whenever I try and make an account it says my email is taken, even my back-up email, but I never signed up for Lights Hope.
I definitely didn't use my back-up email because it's for job applications only.
b60abf No.13809579
>>13809569
There are no good tbc private servers.
a9bdf3 No.13809593
>>13809477
>>13809542
and itll probably be buggy too
b60abf No.13809606
>>13809593
It's using the same core as Light's Hope, but that isn't really saying much lol
599b94 No.13809608
>>13809579
Warmane Outland is shit?
8479f0 No.13809609
>>13809577
Lights hope is using some of the same data as elysium, so it might recognize your account. Shits all fucked tho
b60abf No.13809611
599b94 No.13809621
>>13809611
Why is it bad other than the (((cashshop))) and the retarded devs? last time I played warmane WOLTK it was nothing but Gearscore Epenn bullshit with no sense of community. I'm guessing TBC is the same?
371477 No.13809643
>>13809569
and you are saying this >>13809542
is better ?
cc5fb5 No.13809935
>>13809477
>not all x1
fuckin brainlets
0b8fce No.13809988
Larellia sat in a quiet corner of the library, waiting for her stomach to settle. She hadn’t felt well for the past few hours, but had been trying to push past it and continue her research. Now, however, all she could think about was how sick she felt. A sudden hiccup made her taste bile, and she clapped both hands over her mouth as she gulped back the hot material rising in her throat.
It worked, for the moment. She felt even more horrible than before, however, and the sour taste of sickness in her mouth was overpowering.
She sat absolutely still, trying to remember the location of the nearest ladies’ room. It wasn’t far, and she tried to compose herself as best she could before rising from her chair.
A rasping heave overcame her as she began to stand, and she instinctively bent forward to avoid getting vomit on her dress. A chunky flood of her half-digested breakfast spattered onto the floor tiles.
She gasped, coughed, and immediately threw up again.
She was sure everyone in the library had heard her, and she hurried to gather up her things and leave before someone came to investigate.
Her stomach continued to revolt, however, and she bent over the horrid mess already on the floor with a hoarse belch. Another mouthful of thick vomit plopped onto the pile. She moaned and wiped the slime off her chin with the back of her hand, then fled the scene on shaky legs.
dd7696 No.13809996
Finally got onto my account!
Nice to have access to my level 28 Druid again.
7edd45 No.13810026
>>13809477
That sounds awful.
c4da73 No.13810320
I'm sure ill end up picking it up when it launches, but only if there is no pay 2 win shop, ill like to see how many normalfags play it day one, realize its too hard, and go back to ez mode wow
b643b1 No.13810652
>>13808612
thank god so all the balance fags will shut up
74a05e No.13810916
apparently someone remembers how cool it was to have to actually put a group together
64ed28 No.13810935
>>13810916
dungeon/raid finders made it impersonal and defeated the whole point of the massive part of mmo.
74a05e No.13810948
>>13810935
that's my point. i still remember one guy on my old vanilla server who made a chat channel for people looking for dungeon/raid groups, facilitated people getting together, helped gear up newbies, explained how to get around, escorted people to discover new flight paths etc. he was like some weird matchmaking quartermaster and he was one of my three favorite memories of vanilla. once they added the dungeon/raid finders nobody ever left their capital city unless they wanted to go fishing or something
a68b85 No.13811391
>>13800330
If she works at an hvac company then she told me all about it in the interview
4b53b2 No.13811517
>>13808870
> ASSFAGGOTS rip off
Didn't ASSFAGGOTS originate in Warcraft 3?
45d668 No.13811556
>>13800106
Oh shut up faggot, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t even be able to navigate yourself through Silverpine forest.
28a2cc No.13811580
Dire Maul had some dope atmosphere.
b643b1 No.13811619
>>13811517
As a custom game.
From what that blue post said looks like the retail shitters aren't gonna get their way after all. Still gotta content with the hurt feelings brigade.
29ec09 No.13811636
>>13808870
If Blizzard ever decides to make War4, the main focus of the game will be Coop mode. It can easily support micro-transactions and the Coop mode in SC2 is the most popular mode versus all other modes(Campaign, Multiplayer, and Custom) combined.
4b53b2 No.13812081
>>13811636
I know that's probably fanart, but it just reminded me how much I hate the direction Warcraft's art style took.
Still not as bad as what happened to TF2, I guess.
3c90f5 No.13812161
>>13810320
I'll okay with you anon.
3c90f5 No.13812164
>>13810320
*play..polite sage for trash phone keyboard
cd7468 No.13812432
>>13811619
That give me a little bit more hope. I'm not sure I really care what patch they start at though. I'd be fine starting from the beginning, but I hope they fix the glitches and stupid shit (not exploits though).
9be28b No.13812721
>>13812081
Yeah, there was a noticable decline in the art style around the time the firelands stuff started during cata
52ac06 No.13813044
>>13812721
That became glaringly obvious after dragon soul was entirely made up entirely of reused assets, except the last boss, which sucked anyways.
a70711 No.13813104
>>13813044
That's a different issue, their environmental artists were clearly too busy working on the next expansion. Heaven forbid they spend some of their billions on having dedicated live and expansion teams.
b643b1 No.13813122
>>13812432
I want to be able to climb into Hyjal. I love exploring that shit
52ac06 No.13813185
>>13813104
It adds to the general aesthetic though, but yeah even their new art was pretty bland at best.
>>13813122
I'd consider that more of an exploit. They could also just add hyjal at some point. It would be cool if they added things that were planned for vanilla, but we're scrapped. Of course, that would take a long time, but it would be neat.
dd7696 No.13813252
Anyone know what this bar is and how I can get it to fuck off?
I'm using X-Perl but when I /fstack the bar it comes up as Nil.
b643b1 No.13813275
>>13813252
that's a castbar addon not related to x-perl
I forget the addon name. but I had it at one point as well. you have to move it around in that addon's settings
dd7696 No.13813303
>>13813275
Thanks, at least I have an idea of what to look for.
bc889d No.13813396
>>13810916
yeah AFKing while someone else spammed or you spammed LFM UBRS 2DPS/HEAL PST FOR INV for like 3 hours was great.
I watched so much porn while waiting for groups to form because you really can't do anything else while spamming chat in major cities
b643b1 No.13813512
A lot of the "we need change" faggots are sperging in the forums. Some advocating sending "purists" death threats.
7b0e40 No.13821023
I just wanted to play video games.