/v/ - Video Games

>>13772881

>but you don't know it is unwinnable because you went blind on it, and thus waste all your potions in the process.

>>13772881

Leveling the game content to your character.

Romance features. What is the fucking point? It's gay and pitiful, it doesn't make you feel cool, it makes you feel like a depressed fag.

>Games where the fun shit only unlocks at the end of the game and you can't unlock that content through new game + or anything so it's restricted to only a small part of the end of the game

>Games that think quests are shopping lists that you do over and over again

>Half-assed dialogue systems

>Hunger bars that empty in 60 seconds and kill you in seconds when they run out

>Shitty survival game mechanics in general. Why is it so hard to focus more on the management of scarce resources and constantly finding safe resting places? Why does "survival" always equate to "you have a hunger, thirst, and sleep bar that drains in like 2 seconds and if any of these go out you die instantly"?

>>13773045

I really don't understand why this is a thing in so many AAA games now. Romance works if it's literally a romance game, but in AAA games it's tedious grinding for a bland cut-scene that has no impact on the rest of the game.

>Exploration-heavy game

>Unlock new ability

>It's just a glorified key, only useful for a few very specific sections, doesn't change you in any meaningful or fun way

Fuck this shit in platformers so much. It's like they give you a pogo stick or something, and instead of letting you do fun things with the movement from that, it only lets you hop verrrry slowly across lava.

>>13773536

Ocarina of Time is probably the best Zelda game for dungeon items that you can use in most of the game. Twilight Princess is probably the worst. BOTW doesn't even _have_ dungeon items.

>>13773483

Romance never works. If the game has fucking scenes, why not just put the fucking scenes in without any of the gay build up shit? If it has no fucking scenes, why haven't the developers fucking killed themselves for being utter faggots?

>>13773536

>new mobility upgrades

>can only be used to climb marked walls, break specific blocks, use specific jump panels, shoot specific objects, etc.

>>13773661

Yes exactly. Donkey Kong 64 is the absolute worst game for this, half the abilities are just to press different colors of switches.

>>13773536

What is Banjo-Tooie?

>exploration game

>there's no fun way to get around (i.e. you walk or you fast travel)

>>13773019

I would have put this, but it was taken

>>13773483

I think the only game that did it tastefully was the witcher 2 with this scene that didn't bother me and came off as legit instead of weird forced and awkward bullshit. I can't think of any other videogame "sex scenes" that don't come off as awkward and creepy.

Lately the multiplayer matchmaking win ratio systems.

>Aiming for 50% win ratio as an ideal goal for "fair matches"

>turns out is not steady or even "intelligent"

>it consists on spiking the skill gap between you, your opponents and your teammates.

>that means, you will get stomp matches every time if you happen to win/lose too much.

>>13772881

I will tell you one: Needle in a haystack objective that requires the player to wander around and click on everything hope they find whatever it is they are supposed fetch.

This crap was very common on a lot of shitty point and click games and was rightfully hated. This terrible design still pops up every now and then. I was recently playing Sotha Sil Expanded mod for Morrowind and several of the "puzzles" were wandering around looking for levers in dimly lit, underwater tunnels filled with re spawning enemies, a breathe timer, all in a rat nest like mazes that all look the same. One of the challenges was a maze where the player is given a choice of three doors one leads to the next set of choices the other to death. There was no pattern to any of the doors and you had to keep restarting your game to try it again. Another one required the player to enter a "door" that is just a black square were the player knows that you can't interact with them as it is a hole into the void of the gameworld, or it is a missing texture. Instead it turned out to be a stupid door that required looking it up online to find it. This is the equivalent of throwing a bunch of chess pieces into a cornfield and feeling so clever by making the players go and find them. A good puzzle gives you a logic knot to solve, not have you wandering around in frustration for random crap.

>>13773798

the FF music really makes that whole webm much less funny than it should be

>>13773750

In fairness that had some pretty killer mobility upgrades on Kazooie.

>>13773760

Nothing will be worse than the ones in Ride to Hell: Retribution.

>>13773837

>no guarantee

That's part of the appeal! You shouldn't expect every dungeon dive to be rewarding. That's like late game in Oblivion where everyone has Glass and Daedric armor. Some fixed items and some potentially amazing random loot, like in Metroidvanias, and Terraria, is generally a good model.

>>13773843

>not the autistic laugh

Also the one with random cartoon SFX and Benny Hill is better.

>>13773852

>That's part of the appeal! You shouldn't expect every dungeon dive to be rewarding.

I understand that but it's more that randomised loot tends to go hand in hand with LEVEL SCALING which means dungeons will just feel samey as the loot will just be to your level.

>>13773878

Scaling by area difficulty works OK as a progression mechanic. But it works best if you have the option of doing out-of-depth areas at any time, as you can in Dark Souls or Terraria. It's average in a game like Diablo II, and Oblivion-type scaling is irredeemable shit.

>>13773903

Yeah. For me I believe that item drops from enemies can be scaled no problem and randomised but treasure chests should always have hand placed equipment.

My favourite part of dark souls is how treasure chests have equipment placed in areas that make sense as to why they would be there. Like Havel's equipment is found.

>>13772881

<ability is just a gate between collectables and progression, does not add any value within gameplay

what a fucking MEME

>an ability is a timed powerup instead of something you can do at will

>Have to take damage because your character is too slow

>Respawning enemies pop up next to you and kill you

>Friendly npcs are retards while enemy npcs are superior

>>13773036

That's actually a good thin, and it shows that the developers cared, enough to put in content that most players probably won't even see or know about.

>>13774052

I think he was giving a counter-example. As far as I know no game does this, except minorly in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. The intro bosses can be killed prematurely.

>>13774205

There are two "supposed to lose" battles in The World Ends With You that you can win. Neither of them change the story when you win, but both give you a rare pin when you do.

>>13774205

Ninja Gaiden on the DS did this as well. If you defeated the dragon at the begining of the game you unlock Momiji as a playable character. I never could defeat that fucking dragon, so I don't know if the story changes since that fight is when Momiji is supposed to get kidnapped.

>>13773923

Having to manually research all the techs in a tree is kind of silly. I've tried Vic2 and have hundreds of hours in EU4. In perfect Grand Strategy Game, technology and innovations would progress dynamically and you could improve your education/universities/etc to either be first to make breakthroughs or quickly adopt them. Earlier versions of EU4 had nations being locked into different "Technology Groups" that had to Westernize to get rid of tech cost penalty. It was replaced with "Institutions" system that is great concept but mediocre execution. As long as you play in Europe or close to it the institutions that are railroaded to spawn in Europe (Renaissance, Printing Press) will spread to you eventually. East Asia nations practically have to spawn them by force with province development which uses precious Monarch Points (and is locked behind paid DLC.) For example in my Korea or Japan Game I managed to spawn Colonialism in Asia and get colony in American West Coast but then I realized that even after my colony will receive printing press from European colonies, it wouldn't get it in my homeland because institutions can only spread from homeland to colony. Some mods are at least trying to fix this and are even somewhat successful.

>>13772881

>bullshit OP boss

>lose in cutscene after being forced to win

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>microtransactions

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>difficult as hell mission/quest

>absolutely abysmal reward

Seriously this shit kills my interest to continue.

>>13773204

Lazy devs, complacent consumers.

>>13774205

Made me think of

>game suddenly introduces bosses that can be lost to, but only once or twice.

>>13774824

Rockman 4 Minus Infinity Super Shadow Man falls into that category because if you meet the condition to see him (no deaths) he only gives you one chance to defeat him. Not a boss, but the final escape sequence also becomes easier if you die 3 times.

However I suspect you're thinking of something far more casual where the game wimps out on giving you a challenge if you suck.

>>13774853

Nah more like

>every boss you lose it's game over

>engage new boss in fight

>goddamn.png

>hard as well, so you try to push through

>spend half and hour trying to overcome the boss

>finally die and get cutscene

Because of potential to lose bosses from the same publisher you can run into bullshit bosses that you're expected to win again. Final Fantasy 13 really did this bad and then you end up running or losing in the cutscene.

>>13773837

Nioh does this well. It lets disassemble all the trash loot for resources or just sell it. And the gear doesn't scale, it's based off the recommended level of the mission you're playing. It's started to warm up to me despite loathing the system in other games.

Also, Borderlands is a worthy mention as well

>>13774868

I should say it scales based off the mission you're playing. That is technically scaling.

>>13772881

Pure RNG apparitions with extremely low rates.

This one of the sins of pokemon.

I am not talking about shiny things, but about some in game events that may happen, like the island appearing in ruby.

>>13773019

>my answer at the 2nd reply

I guess that neofags haven't completely infested this board just yet.

>dialogue wheels

>do action x amount of times to level it up

>"Become a great hero or a horrible villain!" Games with its morality system as its main gimmick.

>>13773045

>>13773483

>not playing games where romancing or talking to your party gives you items or unlock team based skills

You should stop playing shit games.

>5% extra damage with blunt weapons

>this perk can be taken three times

>recover life 0.2% faster

>this perk can be taken five times

>spend eight points to unlock the next tier

>>13775192

I liked the character sheet in Bloodlines. No shitty, endless point dumping, every skill and ability has a few tiers and going up a tier makes a noticeable difference. Same with Deus Ex now that I think about it.

>>13775193

Don't forget shitty mob battles. Say what you want about Blackguards but at least the encounter designers made sure no two fights are alike.

>>13775218

we aren't stuck with 1980's processor power anymore, gramps.

>>13775228

>we should stop playing chess because of processing power

yeah, no.

>Commando Missions in RTS games

>Literally is go one way at exact moment or die

>Relies on player having clairvoyance to accomplish the mission

>Accomplishing said mission is more down to luck than skill

>Open world:

>Comfy hub gets destroyed midway through the game and isn't repaired even after the final boss

>When you enter the last area of the game you can't go back to the main map unless you start a new game

>>13773045

The Witcher games did it right; you have a longer-term thing with Triss and/or Yen but in the meantime there are literally dozens of asses to tap on the side and you're rewarded for doing so.

>>13773204

>>Hunger bars that empty in 60 seconds and kill you in seconds when they run out

Adventure Island did this well, being a quick platformer.

>>13775252

>attempting to run away drained hp

>when you win a battle you have to choose either exp OR money

>Oh, and you can only choose before the fight by toggling your exp or money switch in the menus

>also party members would leave your party

>with all the shit on them

>without warning

>hope you didn't store that gear you can only get once a playthrough on them :^)

>bad mechanics

>op describes a level design

how about we learn what mechanics are first

>>13775297

You sound like one of those fags that thinks "clicking LMB and pressing W is the same mechanic in 90% of all video games".

>>13775231

Funny how this reaction image has a counter reaction image right after it.

>>13775306

But the counter doesn't have a cute loli anon, so no one saves it.

>>13775313

i does though

>>13775319

Post it

>>13775332

They can work.

In Xenogears there are 3 "unwinnable" battles. Doing nothing but blocking in the first fight will give you real good magic body piece and the other two can be killed if you are good enough and rewards you with some real nice shit. Nothing changes storywise but it's nice to reward the autists.

>possible team member has interesting gimmick

>has shit tier stats/attacks

Fucking Pokemon.

>>13775342

I'm not picky, mature loli can work

>>13775346

Tiers help with that a little at least, UU and NU are so much more interesting

>>13775302

you aren't very smart, you must have practiced

>>13775332

an unwinnable boss fight is a level design decision, mechanics are something entirely different. Mechanics are how the player interacts with the design. How's it feel being an illiterate smoothbrain?

>>13775353

Also im derailing but if you want the stream, here

http://www.ustream. tv/channel/nebu-kuro1

>>13775355

>>13775362

Hey, thanks anons you guys are alright

>>13775346

>make type weak against a lot of types but strong against a lot of other types

>how about we make 80% of the pokemon of this type slow as fuck tanks?

>pokemon that you dont capture by regular means

>it evolves from a level onwards and if it is female

>gets three unique moves

>was introduced before the "this type is now actually decent" gen so her stats are garbage

>>13775377

from a certain level onwards and only if it is female*

Any game having a standard gameplay feature "unlock" after beating the game.

>Eternal Darkness,

>Can't skip cutscenes, die at the final boss, fuck you, watch his long ass cutscene again.

>Oh you beat the game! Now with New Game+ you can skip cutscenes anytime in your next playthrough!

>New Super Mario Bros

>A handheld game, should have quick saving right? WRONG!

>Can only save after either beating fortress (mid world) or castle (end world) levels or spending Star Coins on the map to unlock a Toad House.

>Beat the game, now you can save anywhere!

>>13774873

>Pure RNG apparitions with extremely low rates.

I have never understood the idea of making any item/appearance below 1%. Hey, let's make our rare item drop even worse than 1/100!

>>13775385

>I have never understood the idea of making any item/appearance below 1%

It's an MMO thing for when you have 1,000,000 people playing the game but only want a small handful to be able to possess the rare item. You have no choice but to make it 0.00001%.

>>13775422

its not a mechanic, its a design you idiot

>>13775449

>implying jrpgs and various vidya doesn't have villains go "Arg… you killed me… j/k ;^)"

You do play video games, right?

>>13775208

Legend says that every time you post that gif, a confused american will respond.

>>13775507

Real cheese and a hot knife? Never had real cheese from wheel like that. Stop being obsessed btw.

>>13772881

roguelike

>>13776501

that's not a mechanic anon that's a genre

>>13775480

>>sticky cover systems in first-person shooters

sticky cover in general, gears of war was the death of TPS

>>not being able to cancel out of your combo and having to watch your slow-ass avatar finish his attack animation while you're furiously mashing the dodge button

just like anticipate

>>savescumming being allowed because the developers just kind of expect you to not abuse it to hell, just like they also expect you to not abuse any other unbalanced strategies

just like don't savescum, it's easy to force yourself to save only at the start of the level for example

>>limited-use abilities or tools which can completely trivialize any kind of challenge in your path, yet while the game can be played entirely without it there's nothing telling you why you shouldn't use this OP ability

>there's nothing telling you why you shouldn't use this OP ability

what do you want, a fucking tutorial that spells out for you "this skill breaks the game and only casuals should use it"?

I agree with the rest

>>13775234

If only these missions were done in a more comfy way, e.g. player gets to stomp the enemy while learning to use a new unit or such.

Those shitty quest highlighter things about certain NPCs. They should demand I talk to every damn NPC and figure shit out myself otherwise it fucks over the immersion. And they better have the non-quest NPCs all say something interesting or memeable.

All GTA games movement

>>13776757

Unfortunately.

>Legendary supposedly unbreakable weapon

>has a set durability and can't be repaired

Fucking Fire Emblem minus Genealogy

>>13775366

But support conversations are so much worse now than in previous games. I don't know why anyone would buy nu-FE for the supports, or at all for that matter.

>level scaling in general

>weapon durability with no way to actually repair shit

>>13776862

>>level scaling in general

Complete level scaling is bad but having sectioned areas scale up to a certain point could be worth considering

>>13776895

>having sectioned areas scale up to a certain point could be worth considering

Nope

Its a crutch for poor design and even specific areas being level scaled sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>13772881

>>13773016

>you get him down to a sliver of health and have him stunlocked and he cutscenes out of there laughing at you when you had his ass in a sling.

>>13773045

tumblr whales whining about BANGING hot Guyz OMGXD on twitter at shitty devs who bend over and sicken us all.

>>13773818

>mod

Well that's just a shitty mod then

>>13776901

This. If you can't design a game that has well crafted areas that offer challenge to different levels, and design the player's progress such that they're not drastically over or under leveled at any point in the game, you use "level scaling" to crutch your way through. Because sitting down and thinking about the numbers and the exp and the quests is HARD, but slapping in a library that just automatically scales enemies up is easy.

Same reason everybody stopped doing animations and started doing motion capture and/or procedural generation.

>stealth

>game does not have any actual stealth abilities

>real-time based anything, often combined with

>limited tries for random rewards

>>13776960

reminds me of.

>DBXenoverse

>you need to meet the conditions for a RANDOM special encounter.

>then meet the conditions for a RANDOM DROP.

>>13776901

>even specific areas being level scaled sticks out like a sore thumb.

Not what I'm talking about, I'm more thinking a having a whole game be sectioned into small areas that each have a small ability to scale independently (meaning the starting area only get starting shit except instead of it only having lvl 3 shit it has lvl 2-4), so that you don't have the sense of stagnation that comes with actual level scaling while the period of time where you're fighting something that actually poses a challenge without having to resort to either making power upgrades very gradual or heavily spaced.

Maybe not even level scaling but having the enemies from an area you've fought in for a time actually become smarter or more dangerous in some way that still fits the placement of that area in the game.

>Boss is immune to Stasis/Slow/Petrification/Stun/Sleep/Horror/Shock/Charm or any other fucking status effects you can think of.

>required collectables that aren't actually collectable until the end of the game

Even though I will never play Warframe again.

>High level enemy stats scale.

>Frame abilities do not.

>That means you can get stuff like 99% damage reduction on certain abilities, but 1% of 50 million damage is still 5 million damage.

>team based game

>doesn't filter out illiterate third worlders

>>13776975

Pre-rendered cutscenes nowadays are a sin, but real time scenes not reflecting your gear if the game allows for showing off your gear is a cardinal sin.

>>13776997

>team based game

>competitive skill rankings are calculated by individual performance, not for rightfully playing the objective.

>to top it all off, is only based on win/loss, no matter how well you performed.

>also, the game forces a 50% win ratio, which means you will have to lose 50% of your matches anyway.

>>13772881

>literally just a walking sim

>unnecessary expanded universe shit that interrupts gameplay

>3deep5you "the only way to win is to not play" pretentious bullshit made by soyboys

>crafting is the entire game and not just a feature

Scaling will always suck because the enjoyment of those types of games was that the player controlled the difficulty by leveling up more or less depending on their ability. For loot it sucks because there is no point looking for anything special, the next thing you stumble over will be better.

>>13776972

ADOM has a mechanic where enemies get stronger the more of that type you kill. It's mostly meaningless and meant to prevent farming but there are a few enemies that summon packs of themself and you can end up killing a thousand.

>>13775396

Ever heard of Pink Tail item from Final Fantasy IV?

>Dropped by one enemy in the game, the Flan Princess

>Found in a room with 1/64 chance of appearing (but appear in groups of 5)

>1/20 chance of dropping a item

>1/64 chance of being a Pink Tail

>0.39% chance of getting the Pink Tail in a fight against the Flan Princess

>0.0061% chance of a given random encounter resulting in the Pink Tail being dropped

>Alarm clocks trigger an encounter with them 100% of the time though, but you can only carry 99 of them.

>With the DS remake the probability is now 1/4096.

Funnily enough though the Pink Tail is used to get trade for the best armor in the game even though at this point it's basically the end of the game.

There are days out there when I wonder if some devs even play their fucking games (especially after learning that Sakomoto has never beaten a Metroid game except for Samus Returns).

>>13777323

Developers nowadays don't play their games, never expected old devs probably doing the same now that you point it out.

>>13776903

You know what the worst version of this was for me? The first Bass encounter in BN3. Apparently you can actually defeat him, and if you do, you fight him again… and again… and then you get is EX chip for doing so. It's even more infuriating because now because it becomes a Git Gud from the game itself.

>tough boss fight

>die multiple times

>you get him close to death

>"ENOUGH'

>cutscene

>"I'm letting you live, but only because I owe you one."

Go fuck youself.

>>13777016

>>13776975

Opposite but

>game has real time cutscenes that reflect what gear your wearing

>game has flashback to previous cutscenes

>characters wearing the armor they were wearing at the time of the original cutscene

good shit

>>13777323

>Developer includes an extremely rare optional item for a few insanely lucky people to find

>Autists immediately assume that if it's been included in the game then they MUST have it and proceed to waste days, weeks and even months collecting that item

Click-to-move is cancer in practically every genre. Direct movement control is always better.

>>13775184

>5% chance of increasing all chances by 1% for 3 seconds

>+0.8m light radius

>20% increased projectile speed

>8% increased damage to marsupials

>>13773577

I liked the romance of Eirika and Seth in Fire Emblem.

> …That night… I felt what you felt. When I held you in my arms as we rode into the night… It was the first time since I was knighted that I forgot my duty. I thought of you not as my queen, but rather as someone I wanted to protect from all harm. I wanted to leave everything behind… To take you far away to someplace where we could be together… Those were my thoughts…

Or that scene with Joshua and the desert thief/leader, the ending of that game wasn't really strong, but some characters really had some things to say.

"Leveling up" is a shitty mechanic imo. Especially when it slows down a game's momentum and you gotta waste time grinding, all because you were too underleveled to beat a boss. Or on the flipside, you may become too overleveled and it might make the game superficially easier.

I wish more games would do without it. Games like A Link to the Past, where you can go from point A to B (no fucking grinding for exp and levels), and beating bosses that you're never too underleveled/overleveled to fight. Winning based on your own skills, not how overleveled you are to a boss.

^ It's the reason why like games like Super Metroid far more than games like Symphony of the Night.

>>13777648

>fighting enemy

>accidentally cleave his head in

>can't harvest head

>kill enemy without cleaving his head in

>swing to behead him but miss and mangle the job

>can't harvest head

It's just an abstraction anon ;v)

>>13777633

Ys is really bad about this. If you're underleveled for a boss you'll do 1 damage to him and die in a few hits because defense is flat damage reduction. Then if you level up twice it's the opposite and the fight is incredibly easy.

>>13777648

I hate it for the fact that they could just up the required amount a bit and make every single one drop.

Sucks to be the guy who gets shafted with rng and watching someone kill a third of the amount that you did but get more drops than you did.

>>13777589

>>20% increased projectile speed

>bad

>>13777777

>>13775193

People put up with shitty real time action games such as Skyrim because they prefer combat systems that are so shallow that they wouldn't even drown an ant. KYS.

>>13777803

Not a get you fucking newfag, return to

>>>/b/

>>13777399

I love BN3

For some reason, it had difficulty spikes out the ass if you let your guard down or changed your folder in just the wrong way

Just started playing Hands of Fate 2 and it's pretty fun but I have a feeling that the rng is rigged. I have managed to have a less than 50% success rate on a 4 card monty with only 1 failure card in most of them. I mean, that isn't too atypical for my luck but still. If you're going to have chance-based sections of your game and outright say what that chances are, at least make those the real chances. XCOM had the same problem where they'd say 95% chance to hit on a flanked enemy but then slap your ass with 3 misses in a row plus a crit from their end on your guy in heavy cover.

If they're going to fuck you in the RNG, they should at least be honest about it.

>>13775480

Someone has been playing Ruiner.

>>13772881

Dragon Age Origins was really guilty of this one: Unavoidable cutscene that causes your entire party to blunder into a fight like idiots.

This is twice as annoying because you usually want to have mages in the back and possibly plant traps in preparation for a fight, only for the cutscene to completely fuck up your positioning and traps while throwing you all right into a battlefield. Then again some fights would be triggered after a cutscene in a location you could previously reach, letting you gleefully plant traps at their feet while you wait for the fight, making the fight a joke. Traps are broken in DAO though. There's no limit to how many you can plant in the same spot so if you feel like wasting time they're free instant kills. It's a shame because there are more clever trap combinations and setups but eh, what's the fucking point when you can just spam traps for fuckhuge damage or absurd stun chains.

>>13775228

So thats why we have amazing ai and actually good effects, oh wait

>>13775228

There's a hilarious rant on this exact subject that I feel obliged to quote now:

>Vince: Let me ask you one of them rhetorical questions. Is turn-based for everyone? No. Will chess appeal to anyone? No. Casual players prefer to load a game, hit a few buttons and watch their characters kick some ass. They don’t want to play games like XCOM where a single mission can easily take a few hours. Yes, a few hours to kill 20 aliens. Should we be really surprised that in an age of weapons with DPS stats – that’s damage per SECOND – and avg expected kills of 10-15 monsters per minute, spending 2 hours to kill twenty aliens doesn’t sound like fun to some people?

>

>As for the comments in that “let’s laugh at turn-based combat together” article, look at what some guy named Kieron said – “I was fine with the turn-based combat, in terms of it being an indie-game and all…”. See, he was fine with TB combat because it’s an indie game, but if it wasn’t an indie game he probably would have written an angry letter to his congressman or maybe even shot someone. Imagine that.

The dev goes into a lot more detail in the interview proper. Dude's got some proper balls. (Incidentally, Kieron is the guy who is interviewing him.)

https://www.please use archive.is/2008/02/01/against-design-decadence-vince-d-weller/

Eh, right. Archive link: https://archive.is/J4QvY/

>beat an enemy

>game gives you the lowest rank because that defeat wasn't canon.

Fuck you I beat Nappa with fucking Chiaotzu. Give me my z-points!

most games have terribly horrid fake physics

>>13772881

>levelled loot/enemies

>quest markers

>>13781693

>gameplay revolves around collectibles and upgrades.

>it permanently lowers your rank if you dare to use them.

Guess the game.

>>13782713

Megaman Zero 1-3

Here is my own:

>Game with Secret Areas

>Secret area entrance distinguishable from a wall

>Secret areas sprinkled at random in random spaces, not carefully crafted areas to make you think it may contain a secret

>Only way to notice the secret areas is to nudge up against every wall or shoot at random against every wall.

I just Played Axiom Verge and this shit is Garbage.

>>13775507

>muh 'mericans

like

clockwork

>>13776996

>1% of 50 million is 5 million

No.

Demon's Souls/Dark Souls: the player can parry enemies' attacks and deal massive damage, which is both cool and rewarding. The downside - the player loses control of the character and they can do stupid shit like move forward far enough to fall off ledges.

>>13783374

True, forgot once decimal, but you catch my drift, enemies that scale against abilities that do not scale are BS.

>Stealth section

>In a non-stealth game

Level scaling is good, faggots. Or do you actually like returning to an area only to find all your time wasted because the enemies you still have to fight are perma-level 1 and replayability set to zero.

>>13776595

>entire playtime is a waste of time because death = permanent game over and you'll never see that world again

>>13775480

>implying savescumming is a thing

Kill yourself.

>oy vey players can save whenever they want that's bad because reasons fuck you and kill yourself if you need to stop playing to take a piss, go to work, respond to a phone call, respond to an emergency, have a meal, go to sleep, etc. and want to come back and continue where you left off saving is bad

KYS yourself.

>>13777633

Your opinions are shit and you should feel bad.

>i can't into rpgs muh zerda muh zerda

>>13773852

>some potentially amazing random loot, like in Metroidvanias

This has never existed in a single metroid game.

>>13775184

>Museum in Secret World

>you have to sink a ton of anima shards and items that are rare drops from not only monsters but dungeon endbosses

>once you upgrade all the regular pedestals in an exhibit, you can upgrade the centerpiece

>your reward for doing so is 8% chance to deal 18 extra damage to the enemies displayed in this exhibit

>the bare minimum for a DPS in Elite 1 is 2000 DPS

>>13772881

>have quest to get raptor heads

>kill a raptor

>it doesn't drop a head

also

>go to certain location

>control of the camera is immediately taken away from you and forcibly put into an awkward position

>>13777538

>Oh no I am surrounded by a couple of regular enemies I could easily mow down while the defenseless bad guy monologues

This fucking shit right here.

>attain shit hot gear

>electric sword blazes, resplendent in spectral plate

>smash through legions of twerps to Big Bad's manor

>dogged by everything from worms to dragon demi-bosses on the way

>burst 2ft thick metal doors inwards in a hail of tormented fire

>eyes burn like pissed off sapphires, the time is nao!

>two weak ass skeletons stand either side of you

>"GAAAH How did you know my weakness of having two things stand either side of me eventhough I've killed literally 4,412 of these things before I got here?!!"

>give up fight

>surrender weapon

>pledge undying fealty to Big Bad

>allow Big Bad to cuck me with the romantic interest I've spent 3 games trying to fingerfuck

All or nothing status effects

These are unbalanceable mechanics which are either worthless or overpowered, so the uncreative developers give them a tiny chance to proc and make every worthwhile enemy immune anyways.

The correct way to do status effects is as a high chance minor stat debuff, with a low "critical" chance.

Unwinnable boss fights are definitely a bad design choice. It adds up to a waste of a player's time and potentially valuable resources when poorly communicated. Boss fights you're supposed to lose, but can still win are a sign of the chad game designer.

Consider the following: You're playing at a friend's RP session and are presented with an enemy that is far outside your league. The DM has intended for you to lose and suffer some harsh consequences because story reasons. You, in all your brilliance, find an exploit in the game rules that neuters this particular enemy outright and makes the fight fair. Now either two things can happen: The DM can tard out and claim plot armor, in fact he steals your characters soul or whatever, he rips up your character sheet, and goes on with what he had planned; or just says 'fuck it', rolls with the punches and comes up with a new story to canonize you taking the upper hand unexpectedly. Which seems better? Which have you heard happen more often, and the groans of players wishing for a better DM?

>>13775295

I remember Grandia doing the exact opposite, with that person dropping not only their items into your vault, but skill books too.

Though I don't know if you got back spent crystal eggs, which was important for unlocking spells.

>>13784432

Not necessarily true. Take the tournament boss fight that you can't win against Dias in Star Ocean 2. You don't use your own supplies so it's irrelevant if you beat him or not, you get rewarded just for getting to him.

>>13776975

>game sometimes lets you keep weapons, sometimes it doesn't

>no way of knowing ever

>some levels are super short, some other are just average lenght, and some other full featured lenght

Guess the game

I remember a few more.

Ambushes in tactical RPGs. It's especially bad if you have to take your entire round before you find out if you get amubshed, and they're usually situated around aggro range of another visible mob so fuck you buddy. God, I miss Shining Force.

Or how about that one RPG that introduces a way to go back to other maps to get some collectibles you missed. What the game doesn't tell you is that said collectibles are still tied to certain story flags and can be lost forever if you don't go back at this one particular time with no hint whatsoever.

Level scaling is shitty, unless banding is introduced. Have a golden region where character level matches mook level, and slightly go towards whatever the player's level is without escaping a set range. Still, the concept of leveling feels poor to me, since it creates this odd world situation where enemies one chapter back who were your equal literally fall over by your mere presence now. Also the messiah character trope where baddies that can give hardened and long-trained war veterans a tough fight one-to-one can be mowed down by the PC, an hour new to combat, by the dozens. It feels weird to me.

>game lets you play shitty stealth or fun rambo style

>rewards stealth more

>or better yet gives you shit for doing anything but non-lethal pacifist in stealth

why arent there more games that doesnt punish me for picking off people from stealth and then going full glass cannon mode when I get discovered

RNG

>>>13783875

>action section

>in a stealth game

>>13784527

Watch half life episodes speed runs, you might enjoy some.

>hunger every 5 minutes

It's already a chore in real life and eating feels good, what kind of brain damaged italian would make it happen 36 times as often without the pleasure from actually eating the food?

>>13788267

Because pure stealth isn't fun for the average ADHD impatient normalfag that is going to play the game.

>>13788964

no game ever gets eating mechanics right, hungry either appears too frequently, or food is abundant it doesn't matter at all, or your inventory can carry so much food you never have to sit down and organize it

>>13789006

I said the exact opposite you tard. Pure stealth is fucking pussy shit and is just as boring as ramboing your way with full armor and shit. Its more fun when its in the middle where you can still fight your way through if need be if you are good enough at dodging and can kill enemies fast enough. I also hate it when games are like "the enemies are blatantly evil and its their job to shoot you dead the moment they see you but if you kill too many of them you're a monster."

>>13784600

>Ambushes in tactical RPGs

I sure love a bunch of guys spawning out of nowhere AND getting to attack on the same turn.

>>13789047

Pure stealth, especially the non-lethal kind requires skill that the average normalshit does not possess. Meanwhile any retard can sneak up on people from behind and one-shot them while the others aren't looking, let alone the "stealth" game where going loud is an option. You're probably talking about dishonored which is a pretty shitty example of a stealth game.

>>13789012

In the Zwei!! games food is the only way to gain experience points, so you naturally want to eat often, but you can turn in a stack of ten of one food to get an upgraded food that gives you 15 times the experience (and you can turn in ten of this new food as well, and so on), so you're encouraged to go hungry a bit longer for something more satisfying.

>>13773852

>Also the one with random cartoon SFX and Benny Hill is better.

Do you have it?

>>13777526

What games actually do this?

>>13773923

pleb

>>13773577

Sex without buildup is dull, meaningless, empty, and boring.

I don't care about the characters. I'm just getting a cheap fap. If I wanted that, I could google naked women and be done with it.

Faggots like you don't understand love. Sex ought to be a payoff with investment into someone you love.

>>13790878

<ITT: people who have never prepared food tell each other what tastes good

WEW SON

>>13790878

>Everyone is wrong but I don't need to explain why

How is this good game design, nigger? >>13789129

>>13772881

>Cutscenes

>>13790878

What game and mechanic did you develop that got you so asshurt you had to shitpost?

>>13774205

Fate CCC did this, killing the boss you're supposed to lose to gives you a different servant than you'd get otherwise

There are no bad mechanics, just bad applications of a mechanic. Looking for the formula for the perfect game, is an idiotic mistake that nugamers do.

They expect a simply laid out answer that simply doesn't exist, neither in this field or anywhere else. You have to work hard and find out what works, without easy ways out.

Even monstrous anomalies like lootboxes or autoaim, are even such when abused. I.e. picking up a random bonus from a Mario block would be the right way of handling lootboxes.

Monsters spawn in waves and generate at X location. Monsters don't stop spawning even if you defeat them all. Monsters can still spawn right infront of you.

Mobs being able to spawn on top of you

Someone shoots a projectile at you, there is airtime - you take cover or dodge. It hits you anyways.

Fun movement abilities. Devs realize movement abilities let you escape the map. Rather than fix the map, they nerf movement abilities.

>>13772881

>>13776779

>have trouble with first fight because new to game

>waste healing items to not die

>game either gives you an edge when you're close to dying, or has no repercussions for dying making the items a waste to use

>there's no indication of this before the fight

I can't remember which game I played did this. At least first fights are usually early enough in the game where resetting shouldn't waste too much time, but it still pissed me off.

>>13773204

>Games where the fun shit only unlocks at the end of the game and you can't unlock that content through new game + or anything so it's restricted to only a small part of the end of the game

Pokemon Black/White 2 managed to do that, but worse.

>finally introduce different difficulty modes after 16 years

>have to beat game first

>this gives you a key to unlock the different modes

>but each version only gives a specific difficulty mode

>going in blindly there's a 50/50 chance the game wont offer the difficulty mode you want

>but the difficulty change only works on a new save file

>Pokemon games still only have 1 save, so you can never use it on your initial save

>if you reset you lose your progress (including the key you unlocked)

>this means only players nearby can receive the challenge mode key

>in order to unlock it for yourself, that also means a friend has to beat the game (that offers the difficulty mode you want) and unlock it for you

>the system was so convoluted most people never used it

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Key_System

>Having to crawl at a snails pace everytime there's an enemy within 60 meters

>Game being so badly designed that "The only real way to play" is to ignore half the gear or ghost

>Levels are a linear sequence of puzzles where you have to sneak past one guard rather than a giant labyrinth

>>13790474

>I spit on the face of those who say that it's the real way to play Hitman

People only say that because like most other stealth games it's easy as fuck and the only way to make it challenging is to ignore half the game/ghost which is tedious as fuck. That being said silent assassin in blood money was ridiculously easy. I even was able to get it for half the missions on my first fucking attempt. The only one that gave me trouble was the politicians son who sits in the bathtub because you have to talk to a random NPC like it's a fucking RPG.

Now getting silent assassin in Hitman: Silent assassin is like pulling teeth and I just gave up.

>>13791382

> restrict playtime unless you pay X for Y time

> not a shitty mechanic

>>13773019

But you need level scaling or else performing the repetitive task of wandering through repetitive dungeons battling repetitive battles against repetitive enemies with repetitive AI to get repetitive loot will be boring! If your enemies aren't procedurally generated to have identical stats and equipment to yours at every stage of the game, then that's a huge chunk of that repetition just torn right out!

>>13789947

I've heard Xenoblade Chronicles does this.

Loot with random stats

It's cancer. Pure shit. Argue that it makes the game "fun" because you can grind for an RNG to spit out an ideal string and it extends replay value or whatever.

You could argue that, but you'd be wrong.

The effort making RNG would be better spent designing actually unique and interesting weapons.

Procedural anything is a crutch and should be tolerated only in rogue-likes, and even then mostly out of tradition.

>>13800074

>Procedural anything is a crutch

If you need a vast area for a sense of scale but it only needs to be skin-deep (space trading games come to mind) then it can be just the ticket. Using it for interactions more complex than something like terrain or resource-gathering, however, is generally a horrible fucking idea except in games where FUN is not only allowed but encouraged.

>>13779423

Here's the archive link that you should have provided in the first place, anon:

http://archive.is/J4QvY

>Game with classes

>Only 3 classes are available from the beginning

>Other, more specialized classes are only unlocked after a long time and you've heavily invested into your current class/weapons/equipment

>Meaning to start with the new class you have to severely nerf yourself and use shitty base-level equipment

>Even worse if you have to level up in that class to unlock better gear, so you're even further behind

>Even worser if it's not easy to switch classes and it costs a lot of money or EXP every time you want to try out something new.

>Even worsest if your equipment is restricted to certain classes that aren't your new class so you unequip everything

The one thing I didn't like about Dragon's Dogma that wasn't the pawns.

That, and I couldn't combine skills from multiple classes. I just want Sky Rapture on my Warrior.

>>13789947

Fable 2 kinda did this for like one scene.

At the end of the game Tammy or whatever the fuck her name was is briefly recounting your adventure with flashbacks to important events.

You're wearing the clothes and weapons, hairstyle, etc you had on

Was kind of embarrassing because for the first half of the game I was guzzling potions and red meat and was a tubby lard ass with a gun in half the flashbacks. just like real life

Difficulty modes in any games in general.

Before anyone dismiss my shitty opinion, I've always thought that most games with difficulty modes only make enemies end up as bullet sponges and doesn't add anything new to them, no new tactics or so. In addition, some games with difficulty modes doesn't even give you anything special (god mode, concept arts or anything) for playing on hard mode or so (sure, you would do it for the challenge but is it really enough?). I would like to see some changes like this:

>playing on easy mode gives you bad ending

>playing on normal mode gives you default ending

>playing on hard mode gives you good ending

To top it off, what's the point of locking Higher-than-Hard difficulty behind the requirement of beating Hard first? Shouldn't you just let anyone play on any mode right off the bat regardless and let them play for fun?

>>13773813

Matchmaking in general is the greatest cancer in multiplayer, I would go as far as to say even more so than micro-transactions.

>JRPG

>If the protagonist faints in combat, it's game over

I fucking hate this so much, it's retarded. If I still have three party members up and kicking there's no reason, whatsoever, that the fight should end because the hero is out. Especially if I have revive items.

>>13784084

>>implying savescumming is a thing

If someone plays Doom by saving around every corner so he can just bruteforce his way through, then what skill is there involved? Doesn't that completely ruin the challenge when savescumming turns the game into Easy Mode regardless of what actual difficulty you're playing on?

>>oy vey players can save whenever they want that's bad because reasons fuck you and kill yourself if you need to stop playing to take a piss, go to work, respond to a phone call, respond to an emergency, have a meal, go to sleep, etc. and want to come back and continue where you left off saving is bad

Stop pretending like save points and pausing functions don't exist. Hell, Dragon Quest IX allowed you to make an emergency quick save where you can shut down the game and continue where you left off when you start again, but it's only for pausing progress. When you die, you don't go back to your quicksave, but you only go back to your main save. Solutions against savescumming and for preserving player progress exist, yet you're still shitposting at me for some reason.

>>13774475

Hahah, funny that you mention the institutions.

It becomes really obvious if you manage to start an institution in another part of the world.

It really fucks the world up.

>>13773204

>Hunger bars that empty in 60 seconds and kill you in seconds when they run out

It annoys in many survival-oriented games how the days are so damn short and somehow you just can't survive more than a day without eating anything while in real-life you could easily go the whole fucking week provided you drink water and aren't skeletor-tier.

Also the fucking food, whole steaks, bowls of soup etc that weight a lot and you need to eat a lot of them to sate your hunger instead of being able to say make a fucking beef jerky of your meat and other such foods that would actually qualify as an actual rations for being small, low-weight yet densely packed with nutrients and energy.

>>13774205

Vanguard Bandits did this. Winning a near impossible fight early game completely switched your plotline to the different story. There were also good and bad ends depending on how close you were to your companions by the end of the game.

>>13773019

>Leveling

You should have just stopped there. This is the worst mechanic to ever ruin video games.

>>13773045

Someone sounds like a little bitch.

>>13802813

That shit is why I gave up trying to do anything but being a mostly naked thatch hut living degenerate in ARK. You try to do anything that isn't "eat right now" and you might as well die because of how fast the fucking mechanics just fucking kill you.

>>13815766

Friendly fire is so people can't use explosives with reckless abandon or just shoot everything that moves with no consequences.

>>13790906

Love's pretty fucking gay to be honest.

>>13775250

>Lunar: Dragon Song

OH FUCK ME SOMEONE ELSE PLAYED THIS FUCKING TRASH

Thank god I'm not alone.

>>13815766

>leddit spacing

>Post quality is also shit

Go and Stay Go.

>>13775507

Que?

>>13815988

I never went on Reddit. Did you ?