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29bda4 No.13767543

Started playing this recently because I've heard good things about it but holy fuck is it awful. Possible the worst grinding in an rpg I've ever had to do. Good thing there's a 100% encounter rate to balance that out. Dungeons are huge and confusing.

Does the series get better or is PSO the only good one?

0b7564 No.13767556

File: 646c09a65ba2243⋯.png (7.82 KB, 161x127, 161:127, Bloody_Mess_trait.png)

>jrpg

>does it get better?


66b47e No.13767557

>>13767556

>posts reaction image from shitty wrpg


289d2f No.13767559

It's a gayrpg made by sega of all people. What the fuck did you expect?


475b02 No.13767560

File: 6e2ef376a6cd14d⋯.jpg (150.32 KB, 558x811, 558:811, ps2.jpg)

PStar1 on the SMS is good.

PStar4 is great, possibly greatest in the series.

Original ps2 on genesis has its problems, the menu within submenu bullshit is annoying. Some things just did not age that well with it. The visual aesthetics of 2 is actually not bad imo. PS4, 2, and PSO1 had the most visual appeal for me.

3 was probably the worst out of the bunch, very cool concept art and potential but not well executed.


29bda4 No.13767562

>>13767559

I don't know, phantasy star online was good, and I figured if they made 4 of them the series must have had something going for it


29bda4 No.13767745

>>13767560

Not to far into 4 but so far it's a much better experience


475b02 No.13767772

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>13767745

With 4 you're basically getting the best of the best of the original series wrap up. IIRC it was originally supposed to be a CD title but that got changed to cart only. Still a great game though.


abd759 No.13767796

>>13767543

>wah grinding

>wah dungeons aren't small single hallways

The only legitimate complaints about PSII is that the dungeons all look the same and that you get new characters in the laziest least immersive way.


705654 No.13767807

>>13767796

Call me a dirty casual, but I honestly think that game would be fucking retarded to complete without the secret item the visiphone


43cd1c No.13767809

>you will never make sweet robot love to a CAST

why live


119d77 No.13767846

>>13767543

IV is the best in the series.

1 is great if you just use a cheat code to level up. Then you can forget about grinding and just enjoy the game.


abd759 No.13767848

>>13767807

This is true, and I want to clarify that I don't think PSII is anywhere near perfect, or even an RPG I have played more than once through. I just don't think crying about grinding or large dungeons is a valid complaint about an RPG. Ridiculous encounter rates? Sure, they are part of the challenge, but also an nuisance in older JRPGs. An ideal encounter rate to me would be roughly between 8-16 steps. They also should never be just based on a base percentage chance, but instead a modifier should be added based on how hurt the party is, whether they ran from the last encounter on the same map, whether they have had so many encounters on the same map, and whether they are significantly higher level than the enemies of that map. Straight unmodified RNG can mean walking in circles for a long time looking for a fight, or running into a fight every 5 steps.

Needing to grind your characters up is not a valid complaint though unless achieving a level doesn't actually mean much character progress (or worse, losing stats in some games due to a bad level up roll.) Otherwise grinding is as big a part of the experience as anything else, and if you actually get good at various ways to deal with particular enemies you can forgo grinding a lot more.

Contrary to complaining about grinding, complaining about the game being easily beatable from just fighting encounters you have along the way is valid. Since that means the need to work to make your characters stronger is a mere illusion. I find more classic JRPGs that get complaints about grinding actually fall into this other flaw instead.


c07b47 No.13767885

File: 3b0739fd68efcb2⋯.jpg (104.59 KB, 425x708, 425:708, ps2hintbook040908.jpg)

Did you get the hint book? PS2 is nearly unplayable without it. I can handle the grinding, but holy shit those dungeon layouts are confusing as hell.


705654 No.13767906

File: 5553e342236479b⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 105.35 KB, 504x692, 126:173, racaseal.jpg)

>>13767809

>cast

Did you mean caseal or are you gay?

>>13767848

PS 1 and 2 are games of attrition above all. You gotta manage your inventory to cram in as many healing items as possible or else you will wear down before you're finished wandering around. Do that and you will not have to grind at all.


29bda4 No.13767935

>>13767848

I wouldn't have such a big problem with the grinding if characters didn't keep joining you at level 1. Grinding rolf and nei was fine


98497b No.13768023

I gave up on it just after going to that island when you get the boat thing. I just couldn't continue the mindless grind. Maybe i will come back to it when im in the mood for mindless grinding again.


eefc26 No.13768052

>>13767543

>is PSO the only good one?

No, PS4 is the only good one. Dunno why 2 is so overrated.


c5a14a No.13769373

File: 3fc8166628334dd⋯.jpg (25.84 KB, 640x448, 10:7, Phantasy Star 2.jpg)

>>13767543

I played it a month ago with a modernization hack because I was told the oposite (the game being a mess and grindy as fuck), in the end, I had a nice time with it and was glad I played it before 4. That said, I thought the game was a step down from the first one and you wont appreciate certain parts as much if you haven't played the original. One thing I know for sure is that I wont miss nor forget it's awful dungeons and spoiler Dark Force RNG shitfest .

Phantasy Star 4 has the best presentation and some actual character development, but It didn't live up to my expectations for a game that gets so much praise and is considered to be the best out the main series. It's still a pretty good jrpg.

I couldn't get into the third game, but it's gotta have the worst battle and victory themes ever conceived.

>>13767846

You only have to grind at the very start of the game so you can leave the first town, after that you wont need to grind at all as long as you don't run from every single encounter.


a047aa No.13770162

>>13767543

Opening and closing the menu resets your encounter RNG, so opening the menu every few steps will allow you to cancel out encounters when you simply need to go from point A to point B without wearing your party down.

That being said PS2 is the type of game that doesn't give a fuck about your feelings. It's a tough grind but a rewarding experience. 3 is shit, but 4 is one of the best JRPGs of the era.


a047aa No.13770178

>>13767885

I wrote tons of notes and traced optimal paths on the bigger maps in that booklet. I'm going to try and find it in storage and get some pics.


4c1954 No.13771596

>>13767885

>PS2 is nearly unplayable without it.

No it isn't.

If the maps confuse you, get graphing paper. The grind isn't painstaking and if you take a bit of time to learn how to use/manage the items, then the game ceases to be any kind of impossible. I breezed it and did so while memorizing even the long last few dungeons, swapping out all characters to make sure they were up to date.

Git gud.


3c17e2 No.13772799

>>13767885

'80s art man. Everytime I see it I get hyped. I remember seeing all these artworks only to get disappointing when the in-game art was different and more cucked. The West needs '80's art to come back more than ever.




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