0c81b7 No.13764546
>There are this many people who think that Venom is just a repeat of Raiden.
>There are this many people who think that MGSV went back on MGS2's themes.
Was it not abundantly clear that Venom is deliberately the antithesis of Raiden?
Venom accepted Big Boss's identity, and it resulted in the loss of his own identity, and ultimately his own death. Raiden stopped trying to be others and rejected the identities laid out for him, and he survived to have the best end of any character in the series. MGSV's makes the "I'm Big Boss and you are too," scene out to seem badass with music and cinematography, but everything about the scenario makes it abundantly clear that he's a pawn marching to his death because he chose to blindly follow his idol rather than try to make something of himself, even though by that point he's actually surpassed his idol and hasn't realized it, just like Raiden almost did.
I'm not defending MGSV's story as a whole, but holy fuck, I thought that particular theme was pretty clear and concise, at the very least.
aa0ec6 No.13764577
I'm still amazed Raiden managed to grow on me so much.
>hated the twist of playing as him in 2 so much I didn't play it for years
>finally give it a play
>his character is deep, interesting, flawed, and grows
>the themes are great and call out journalists causing butthurt to this day
>is one of the few "political horror" games that exist
>had a great villain who had the best intentions but wen't about achieving his goals wrong.
Shame MGSV wasn't finished, but that's both Konami and Kojima's fault.
0c81b7 No.13764656
>>13764577
I can't think of another character who's managed to go from being so universally hated to being overall well-liked by nearly everyone. It's actually quite impressive.
78ff17 No.13764672
>>13764546
>not accepting your phantom pain in CY+++
>>>/reddit/
779aeb No.13764680
>>13764656
I went the other way. I liked Raiden in 2 because he felt like an actual person, but then really disliked him in 4 because he's basically a boring ninja man. He lost all personality. Thankfully, he gained it back with Revengeance.
dc90d6 No.13764685
>>13764546
>Was it not abundantly clear that Venom is deliberately the antithesis of Raiden?
Venom is the player, because he is incomplete
8eea1a No.13764716
Is Phantom Pain worth playing, gameplay wise? I enjoyed 100%ing ground zero and truth be told MGO3 and the FOBs are kind of appealing to me assuming they actually function well and have people playing it.
Can I do co-op in TPP or did they forget about that too?
aa0ec6 No.13764721
>>13764680
>boring ninja man
he became obsessed with only being that. A big part of his character in 4 was him shutting out his humanity to just be a killing machine. You see this when he begs Snake to go with them even when he was in horrible shape.
fuck I love 4 so much. I wish you could actually play the damn thing.
8eea1a No.13764729
>>13764721
I don't think Raiden was too bad in MGS4 but that line with I AM LIGHTNING, THE RAIN TRANSFORMED was pretty fucking stupid.
aa0ec6 No.13764734
>>13764716
no co-op, and you can get some fun out of it if you turn off ALL the help.
>>13764729
I suppose that's just something that didn't translate to well. Japanese writers love their silly lines.
8eea1a No.13764744
>>13764734
So I take it neither MGO3 nor the FoBs are worth waiting for a really big sale or finding some way to play multiplayer pirated?
aa0ec6 No.13764748
>>13764744
multiplayer is dead as dead can be, and the always online gimmick will hurt you more than anything else. I remember going back to it after a month of not playing to find all my rankings were down because the game punishes you for taking a break by letting other players steal all your shit. It might be better to just pirate it unless you want to invade other people's bases. I haven't done that personally but some anons back in the day were saying it was okay.
78ff17 No.13764754
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>>13764680
I hated Raiden in 2 and in 4. Revengeance is the only reason I like the character. In fact MGS4 is such a garbage game, I don't understand why idiots like it. MGS1 & MGS3 is the dope. Also people often forget GZ is apart of MGSV and GZ was dope. This unfinished meme is literally people not willing to accept their Phantom Pain. Kojima Explicitly said he was inspired by Cancelled Sitcoms for the 70's and 80's. Stuff like Gilligan's Island where they never get off the Island and it left the viewer feeling unfulfilled without closer. This was why every mission starts like a TV show with Credits. People honestly believe this "unfinished" bullshit because they are not willing to accept the truth, that it was designed to leave you feeling unfulfilled to intentionally leave the player without closure. Even the illusive "cut content" and Chapter 3 was apart of this ruse.
>"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo" - Kojima
>"If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good." - Kojima
>waiting for the ending
waiting for Game over
>never beber gay ober
Eli was the avatar for the spoiled "entitled" player, the taboo was to neglect to give the player his satisfaction. Like Lord Bullingdon from Barry Lyndon, you can't get no satisfaction. Eli is the quintessential Redditor who can't understand the esoteric clues spelling out the truth, all in the tapes. All pointing to the fact that it was Kojimas final FUCK YOU, his final and greatest ruse cruse.
aa0ec6 No.13764768
>>13764754
>In fact MGS4 is such a garbage game, I don't understand why idiots like it
>garbage
The gameplay, mechanics, and tech behind it were amazing, the big issue is that it never let you play it longer than five minutes without ripping the controls away from you for a cutscene or some gimmick level that also only let you play it for 5 minutes.
I guess in a way it is garbage, but it's garbage because it won't let you play it. It just gives you a taste of what you could be playing and how fun it can be. Hell, it gives you that cool camo mechanic and you fight regular enemies so little that you only use it maybe once or twice.
3b7751 No.13764769
>>13764577
I didn't mind Raiden at all when I played. He was a dork, sure, but honestly how they used him and his more emotive nature probably helped. He wasn't some badass, he was human.
Who ended up being fucking Grey Fox by the end of the game, so I never got why people hated him. I genuinely think people jumped on the bandwagon for hating him for whatever reason.
341dd7 No.13764775
>>13764754
>People honestly believe this "unfinished" bullshit because they are not willing to accept the truth, that it was designed to leave you feeling unfulfilled to intentionally leave the player without closure. Even the illusive "cut content" and Chapter 3 was apart of this ruse.
>It's SUPPOSED to be shit!
8eea1a No.13764778
>>13764754
>I turn 47 this year
>47
Death Stranding is a Hitman clone.
Also your post sounds like bull. Not everything is this super deep metaphor for something and it's hard to believe the same writer of Hot Coldman and the entirity of peace walker is capable enough to making that sort of metaphor. and even if it's a metaphor it's bullshit. Gameplay should always take priority over story.
78ff17 No.13764790
>>13764754
>Eli was the avatar for the spoiled "entitled" player
as in the fan who keeps demanding he makes another MGS game even though he was done with the series after MGS2. He has been wanting to make another game for 24 years and the fan boy was Eli mad at his father (Kojima) for not living up to his expectations.
>>13764768
>the big issue of MGS4 that it never let you play it longer than five minutes without ripping the controls away from you
Yes that was a huge issue.
>>13764775
>MGSV was the best MGS game in terms of gameplay
>its shit because of my myth about cut contents
yes Eli, stop being such a silly cunt.
>>13764778
it not bullshit though. There was a Japaneses interview translated into English where he talks about these themes of canceled Sitcoms and lacking closer.
341dd7 No.13764798
>>13764790
So he intentionally made his game feel unfinished.
That doesn't change a thing about the game feeling unfinished.
6c4339 No.13764800
>>13764754
>People honestly believe this "unfinished" bullshit because they are not willing to accept the truth, that it was designed to leave you feeling unfulfilled to intentionally leave the player without closure.
<Yes goy, it seems unfinished because it's meant to be! It's another ebin ruse by Kojimbo, you see!
You're a fucking idiot.
7cef13 No.13764814
>>13764577
>Political horror
Is that actually a standalone thing?
If it is, I need movies and books that capture that feeling.
78ff17 No.13764815
>>13764800
>As for “Kingdom of the Flies,” I think it’s become an easy target for players who haven’t reconciled their mixed emotions about the way the main story ends. It’s like a punching bag for dealing with that stress. I guess people don’t want to accept that MGS is over. That’s my take on the various opinions that have been expressed about the way the “Kingdom of the Flies” arc was left up in the air. Personally I think the game was fine without that chapter. - Manabu Makime
>>>/reddit/
https://archive.is/5cYY9
8eea1a No.13764816
>>13764790
It's bullshit because it fucks with the gameplay.
aa0ec6 No.13764825
>>13764814
only games that really do it are Deus Ex, and maybe Spec Op's:the Line.
It's a fairly ignored genre.
341dd7 No.13764830
>>13764815
If I intentionally make a shit game, no matter how you look at it, all I have archived is making a shit game.
Ironically, you're the one posting like a redditard here faggot
6c4339 No.13764833
>>13764815
You know it's still shit whether it was intentionally unfinished or not, right?
Go suck Kojima's dick somewhere else, faggot.
aa0ec6 No.13764839
>>13764815
I think my biggest issue with MGSV is that we never truly got to see Venom fall from grace… hell, BB became more of a villain in PW than he did in MGSV.
78ff17 No.13764862
>>13764830
but its not a shit game you fucking retard. Its a great game but you are just too emotionally disgruntled by the story to reconcile that your beloved Metal Gear series is OVER. As in foreverever.
>>13764839
>“Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?”
story's in video games are insignificant, everyone who puts value in story in video game is bound to be disappointed. What is important is game play and MGSV is damn good in that department. Not as good as Peace Walker or MGS3 but still a fun entry with tons of optional task for the Never Be Game Over type.
78ff17 No.13764879
>>13764833 (checked)
>I've been on /v/ sense first exodus making the same defense of MGSV for over 3+ years and newfags from reddit are still triggered every time
wew
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aa0ec6 No.13764929
>>13764862
see >>13764734
I had some fun with it after I turned off everything. It really does become a totally different game.
2225f8 No.13764933
>>13764577
I liked the game he was in but the katana shit really made me cringe for a while when I started.
59a945 No.13764940
I'm still waiting for an actual sequel to MGS2
>"hey Snake, remember that time we sneaked into the Patriots hideouts and rescued Sunny despite all the odds against us"
No Raiden, i don't, i wish i did, but i don't.
aa0ec6 No.13764947
>>13764940
you'll never get it unless you start a fan project that Konami will inevitably shut down.
5bc196 No.13764948
>>13764814
1984, Animal Farm and Brave New World are the most popular
cbf1f0 No.13764960
>>13764656
I can't think of another character that somehow got popular by being turned into a fucking retarded looking cyborg meme ninja. They made him as retarded as possible, as "lolXD anime action flippyshit!!!!!!!!" as possible, and somehow he gets popular from that.
>>13764754
>>13764790
>>13764815
>>13764862
>>13764879
>being this retarded
>actually believing kojima's blatant lying he does so konami don't turn around and sue/blacklist him post-firing
You have already been proven wrong.
>being a Konami PR agent
b8e0e8 No.13765008
>There are this many people who think that Venom is just a repeat of Raiden.
he is
>There are this many people who think that MGSV went back on MGS2's themes.
it didn't. glad we sorted out the confusion
000000 No.13765028
>>13764862
>your beloved Metal Gear series is OVER
Metal Gear Survive is a thing. Konami will continue resurrecting it and shitting on it. Nothing is over, anon. Don't forget: the ride never ends.
341dd7 No.13765037
>>13764862
>but its not a shit game you fucking retard
Even disregarding the retardo story, the gameplay is a downgrade from MGS3 and even fucking 4 in every single aspect.
0c81b7 No.13765088
>>13765008
How can Venom be an exact repeat of Raiden if MGSV rejects MGS2's themes? MGS2's themes are at the core of Raiden's character. Venom fills a similar role as Raiden, but is different in the ways that he is specifically to show the same themes from a different perspective, and with a different outcome. They're the protagonists of two identical cautionary tales, but Raiden is the person who learns the lesson, while Venom is the person who refuses to and doesn't.
0c81b7 No.13765111
>>13765088
>How can Venom be an exact repeat of Raiden if MGSV rejects MGS2's themes?
*doesn't reject. Actually, it doesn't make sense either way.
06f2a1 No.13765143
kojima is a hack and all mgs games are shit
b8e0e8 No.13765164
>>13765088
>How can Venom be an exact repeat of Raiden if MGSV rejects MGS2's themes?
>exact repeat
now you're just moving the goalposts. MGS2's theme was that memes could be just as potent as genes at creating super soldiers like Snake. MGSV pretty much had the same theme - if you follow the behavior, you emulate the person (aka, meme). They had different outcomes, sure, but the memetic conditioning was pretty much the same message because they were both following the super soldier conditioning. It seems you might be the one not understanding things and everyone else is fine.
>>13765143
also this
06f2a1 No.13765176
YOUR SHEKELS HE STEALS
HIS GAMES ARE WHACK
HE'S THE SPECTACLED
DISRESPECTABLE
ASIAN HACK
78ff17 No.13765221
>>13764960
>>>/reddit/
>>13765037
stories in video games are for women and faggots.
02a3b2 No.13765370
>>13764862
>Its a great game
What's great about it?
>regen health makes getting spotted less dangerous than ever
>buddies and side rolling are so overpowered that it's difficult to get spotted in the first place
>enemies are all blind and deaf in addition to this
>hardly any level design beyond scatterings of camps with one or two single room tents and maybe a tower or two
>able to mark enemies with binoculars and see them through walls, because having to think and memorise enemy patrol routes is too difficult I guess
>barely any mission variety, with the vast majority being either kill/capture X or destroy/capture vehicle Y
>worst "bosses" in the series, if you can even call any of them bosses
>CQC is incredibly limited compared to 4's
>have to wait in real time for upgrades/gadgets to be crafted, some of which are required for side missions
>unskippable 30 second cutscene every time you load into either map
>opening credits in said unskippable cutscenes occasionally spoil the details of the mission you're about to do
>numerous 'walkie-talkie' sections where it forces you to walk and listen to lengthy exposition that no one gives a shit about
>microtransactions out the ass
>by far the worst iteration of MGO so far
>no interesting weapons like the HF Blade in 2, the Patriot in 3 & 4, or 4's dolls, tornado matchlock, emotional tranq bullets and solar gun
MGSV is a bad game even if you don't compare it to any of its predecessors. In terms of gameplay, 3 and especially 4 do everything better. Fucking Far Cry 3 does most things better than MGSV, at least in that game you can actually interact with the open world environment and enemy encampments in meaningful ways.
The only thing V does well is its controls.
4ed092 No.13765423
I've played MGS V for more than 400 hours back when it was released and I'm having trouble to remember anything substancial from the game. Is that normal?
e5ed02 No.13765436
Remember when mgs was good?
c3bb7e No.13765446
>>13765221
>stories in games are for women and faggots
You say that, but every post from you thus far has been
>”W-wait you guys, Kojima was actually playing 1987 dimensional Go this entire time!
>he meant for it to be unfinished, it’s actually art, you entitled Plebians!
>anyone who doesn’t deepthroat all three inches of Kojimbo cock is a fucking Redditers, trust me I’m an oldfag!
4ed092 No.13765448
>>13765436
only MGS3 was good
e5ed02 No.13765453
000000 No.13766494
OP, your thoughts are very similar to mine, but I took a different tack. What the person in the OP's picture doesn't get is that Venom isn't the antithesis of Raiden just for the sake of sending a message about how to be (or not to be) like your idol. In fact, Venom and Raiden are both meant to be player inserts, but they represent very different demographics. Raiden, being from a game that came out in 2001, represents the core gaming audience that was into videogames at that time, while Venom, being from a game released well into the post-2006 era of pozzed vidya, represents the newfag retards fucking up the videogame industry. Raiden eventually became a badass through a lot of training and growing into his own man, whereas Venom just kind of bumbled his way into everything, hardly ever talks because he has no real personality and none of his own opinions, and eventually loses to a rookie Solid Snake despite having had 11 years of practice at being Big Boss. The themes of MGSV also support this: MGSV heavily features the parasites, which have the capability to transform people into monsters and to stop someone from speaking their native language. Every MGS game has subtext dealing with the game's place in the videogame industry as a whole, and on a subtextual level, MGSV is essentially about the co-opting of the videogame industry by legions of normalfag morons. MGS2's idea that memes can turn someone into a soldier on par with Solid Snake was borne out by Raiden's ascent into a total badass, but MGSV shows us the downside of that meme, which is that for everyone who genuinely absorbs the memes and gets stronger and more capable because of it, you also have idiots who think they're as good as Big Boss without actually having the skills to back it up, and those idiots will inevitably become pawns who accomplish nothing worthwhile. Venom Snake accomplished nothing in the grand scheme of things; the plot of MGSV was very forgettable, and not only because it wasn't up to par with the other games. It was forgettable because it adds virtually nothing to the overall progression of the storyline. The series could easily exist without it, and would arguably be better off that way. The Metal Gear series doesn't need The Phantom Pain, just as the videogame community doesn't need the people its protagonist represents.
0a7e54 No.13767455
>>13764577
The true path to understanding MGS2 is realizing that the Patriots did nothing wrong and the access and spread of trivial information is incredibly harmful to humanity, with twitter being the ultimate example where everyone is "informed" on every political topic merely because they read headlines that confirm the beliefs they already hold.
The Patriots are the only solution to this problem since due to not being human they would not have this bias. Of course it could go terribly wrong in reality depending on what it would want the world to turn into but as they are presented in the context of MGS2, they are the true heroes.
f76653 No.13767527
>>13764825
Jews tend to shut it down if it's not fantastic enough.
But replace jews with ayyliens or evil AI and they pass it through, because goyim can't into metaphor.
c3bb7e No.13767690
>>13767455
>The patriots did nothing wrong
Get out of here Cipher, you crippled faggot. Go suckle from the teat of your dead globalist whore The Boss some more.
e1d719 No.13767779
>>13767455
Kill yourself, bootlicker.
6141f2 No.13767781
>>13765370
I don't disagree with you but
>numerous 'walkie-talkie' sections where it forces you to walk and listen to lengthy exposition that no one gives a shit about
is just the fucking codec.
ad0280 No.13767795
MGS2 was a mess writing wise, and so is 5.
0a2e95 No.13775495
>>13764577
>>13764656
raiden is edgmaster McBishounen personified
hes actually a pretty conventional character in Japanese media
1aeafd No.13775515
I think Snake would have been better off dead. MGS 3 he does that mission. But the rest of them 1,2,4 You literally fight for nothing it'd be better if the 'badguys' achieved their goals.
And we all know what happens to BB and Venom all that suffering to die to a clone it is sad.
I hate MGS.
d9e360 No.13776347
>>13775495
That's what he wants you to think. Raiden's just some dork acting out a persona he thinks is cool, and also using it to cover his extreme PTSD.
8fd070 No.13776853
>>13764729
Best part of the Japanese version is ocelot running from injured snake after the Mg battle while laughing and pointing.
Ocelot is a character who is motivated by being funny
8fd070 No.13776897
>>13765028
Ocelot is new protagonist of the main series starting with him being resuscitated and escaping from a PMC prison. while raiden is fighting the badguy PMCs he is going around trying to uncover the conspiracy of a legacy shadow government, much of them real people originally based in Russia and China that have infiltrated the US and corrupted people like Senator Armstrong.
He gets a mechanical arm similar to venom and most of the gunplay is focused on pistols. Other weapons are available but generally you'll have multiple pistols and like one or two long guns.
1c8eda No.13776947
>>13764754
>HURR DURR LE DEEP KOH GEE MUH
>GAME WUZ SPOS TA BE UNFINISHED
>>>/tumblr/
991909 No.13777001
>>13767527
That was about yuppies though.
ffdd18 No.13777077
>"it's shit"
>"IT'S MEANT TO BE SHIT"
>"but it's still shit"
>"IT'S NOT SHIT BECAUSE IT'S MEANT TO BE SHIT YOU ENTITLED GAMER GO TO REDDIT"
Holy fucking autism
e182a6 No.13777207
>>13764546
>ITT: kojimaboos everywhere
Hyde yourselves my dudes
237758 No.13777454
>>13764546
Venom = Nero, a cloned main character that's different in name only. And some personality changes, because shit it's the least you can do.
But notice this, newfag: the idea for Venom was actually thrown around for years. After the disaster with MGS2, people had correctly calculated that the passing of the torch would have only worked with a character almost identical to Snake.
Flash forward to 8ch on Phantom Pain release day, with every attention starved kojimadrone up in arms because they were trolled. "And you totally aren't playing as Beeg Bawss!!!", as if a cloned character with a secret identity was any different.
237758 No.13777507
>>13764862
Metal Gear Solid 5 reached peak meme status about two years before release. Ultimately suffering less from hype backlash, than from overexposure to spoilery trailers.
So in a way, you could say that the Phantom Pain was the one meme to surpass Metal Gear.
647a63 No.13778035
This might be a controversial opinion, but I like all the MGS game equally. They all appeal to me for differing reasons.
Initially I disliked MGS4, but the more I replayed it the more I loved what gameplay there was. I understand people's frustration with MGSV's story, but what story there was I loved and I felt like the open world gameplay was a lot of fun. I think it's perhaps the most re-playable MGS game. Doing the entire game OSP is fun as hell. MGR is fun as well. I wish there was a sequel.
9419cb No.13778051
>>13764546
Venom is THE Big Boss the end boss of the original Metal Gear.
Naked Snake is the guy everyone called Big Boss but hated that name.
Raiden is a little girl faggot.
a7c969 No.13778058
>>13764754
>. Eli is the quintessential Redditor who can't understand the esoteric clues spelling out the truth, all in the tapes. All pointing to the fact that it was Kojimas final FUCK YOU, his final and greatest ruse cruse.
what clues
c3bb7e No.13778079
>>13778058
Don’t listen to him. He’s a committed member of the Cult of Kojima.
d5ee62 No.13778115
>>13778035
I think 1 and 3 were pretty much perfect, so I place them above the rest, but 2 and 4 weren't that bad. They both had things going for them. Personally, I felt 2's movement and general gameplay was really good for the character, plus the story was nice. 4 has a pretty good overall story, plus the bosses were pretty good, even more so the final fistfight, that shit was up there with 1 and 3 for last bosses.
Also, bodysuits.
647a63 No.13778122
>>13778115
Once games enter "really good" territory in my mind I don't see much point in ranking them.
d5ee62 No.13778150
>>13778122
It's not as much as ranking, it's just that 1 and 3 surpass "really good" territory for me.
dbfd8f No.13778161
>>13764754
>MGS1 & MGS3 is the dope
>not MG2:SS
237758 No.13778182
>>13778161
>trying to be hipster in a god forsaken place like this
You ended up here because of bigger hipsters than you, but learned nothing
fdecc9 No.13778766
>>13767455
Twitter and facebook are exactly what the Patriots wanted, it just uses useful idiots instead of AI.
cbf1f0 No.13778904
>>13765221
Kill yourself.
>>13765370
>implying regen health hasn't been in the series since the beloved 3
>a bunch of shit that's objectively incorrect
>caring about shit multiplayer in the first place
>>13778035
Including Peacewalker, the "let's treat it like a low budget piece of shit with newgrounds-tier flash animation and no facial animation" game?
>>13778079
>cult of Kojima
65cd3e No.13779505
>>13777001
>i-it was about yuppies!
Fucking Carpenter. I can't tell if he was pressured to do that or if he legitimately thought yuppies comprised of the media, police, military, wealthy (non bankers).
Still waiting for my Dead Space film, John. I need someone to reinject life into the franchise to get a conclusion.
237758 No.13779698
>>13777001
>>13779505
>>13767527
Of course it was about yuppies, are you so brainwashed by imageboards to believe that Hollywood used to make anti-semitic movies in the 70s? Made by a commie like Carpenter, no less.
8b1bd2 No.13780165
>raiden gets his dick chopped off
>venom doesn't
That's all I need to know tbh.
dc31b1 No.13780189
>>13780165
>Raiden has a kid
>Venom doesn't
8b1bd2 No.13780206
>>13780189
>"Raiden's" kid
Lol.
dc31b1 No.13780218
>>13780206
>Campbell's other Kid
Lol
05027e No.13780659
>>13764754
>rationalizing this hard
d9e360 No.13781160
>>13777454
That's not why people were up in arms. That was a fun concept even. People were up in arms because the game had no ending.