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You hate STALKER too?

>RNG loot vital to character progression

Divinity: Original Sin 2 took this shit idea and ran with it for ages, having one of the worst loot systems I've ever seen coupled with you needing to swap out every other level because of the exponential gear scaling.

After reading this I think your problem is not with gear based games, but with random gear drops. If the Sword of Assrape +99 was at the end of a dungeon or optional path you wouldn't have this problem.

(Well made) gear based games allow you to tailor the challenge to your tastes, so you can have fun fighting mid-level enemies instead of instarraping them like in level based games.

>>13738534

Maybe if you aren't a weapon-skill based character or are using some sort de-scaling mod, but the numbers bloat means any rogue or warrior is going to be crippled by not upgrading, and becomes an absolute monster when they update to the power curve.

Spell-scaling is average to mediocre depending on the spell, but it gets the job done.

>>13738547

Oh I hate RNG too, but it's not necessarily the root of the problem. Monster Hunter has tons of RNG in it, but because the devs understand the beast they've created they know not to do stupid things like hard walling you because you didn't manage to get a 1% drop ruby to upgrade your stuff. You can still get by without have optimal gear.

I don't think there ARE well made gear based games. You mention level instarape, but how is that any different from gear instarape? In Dragon's Dogma the entire regular game becomes a boring mess once you have one tier of gear higher, enemies don't just die they disintegrate without effort. Are you saying that's fine because you can, what, just purposefully equip worse gear for a "challenge"? That's what I call bad design.

So you queers want enemies to scale to both your level and gear so you're facing the exact same monotonous challenge throughout the entire game, only affected by the difficulty setting you chose at the beginning, and utterly defeating the point of actually looting anything because it'll just make enemies stronger as well?

Wow, great idea, you guys should work on [CURRENT YEAR] MMOs!

>>13738583

Clearly you've never played Guild Wars where enemies are able to have higher levels than you and appear in more numbers and with more dangerous skills as you progress. You get by them by being clever with your own skill choices and party composition, not by grinding for the latest tier of armor and weapon.

>>13738583

i guess thats 1 faggoty way to solve the problems. i like the several mentions of fixes to this problems already mentioned, your faggoty method is pretty gay.

>>13738591

Guild Wars is western trash tho

>Dragon's Dogma is the Dark Souls of looting.

>"Why Dragon's Dogma needs P2W lootboxes to overcome the toxic 'Git Gud' mentality."

>>13738596

>Godsbaneing

Ah yes let's autistically savescum the RNG lottery and waste hours doing repetitive mind-numbingly boring things instead of actually playing the game.

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>>13738617

>Why can't I get good weapons, REEEE

<Here's where to get good weapons

>WHY CAN'T I GET THEM FASTER?!

>>13738628

Like I said before, the problem isn't necessarily with RNG or time. I'll gladly hunt Ratahlos 60 fucking times for a mantle because that's ACTUALLY FUN. Killing yourself for an hour and resetting isn't fun (let's not get into charm sniping though that was the same kind of autistic bullshit).

The problem is bad game design not being able to effectively reward the player for playing the game, and instead forces the player to circumvent the gameplay in order to progress.

>>13738613

dark souls is loaded with end-game weapons and armor that doesnt require RNG. some special stuff is RNG, but its easily beatable without getting a single random drop from any enemy or boss.

>>13738644

I got through the entire game with whatever equipment I could find just fine. Maybe sorcerers and/or Maelstrom are busted and I just don't know it, but I never found myself wanting for stronger equipment. Same with magic archers in general.

>>13738663

The people that use "Dark Souls of X" don't usually know that, though. They just use the comparison because it's "hard".

>>13738502

Then use the Periapts and buff yourself. Hell, the main reason why Magick Archer is OP is because it can self-buff both Magic and Magic Resistance.

Besides, that's how it works in real life too. You can't kill a tank with a pistol.

>>13738666

dark souls is just proof that people think games are hard if they don't feature handholding and contain any level of challenge.

the only boss that was actually difficult was snorlax and pikachu. but still, that was only about as hard as one of the harder bosses in super metroid. ninja gayden or even fucking castlevania is infinitely harder.

>read thread

>>13738502

May I ask if you dragonforged any of your existing shit?

hot opinion

>>13738502

git gud

It's been five years since Dragon's Dogma came out, stop beating that dead horse already.

>>13738502

It's not pure RNG though.

The cursed items drop from specific chests and monsters, which is a completely normal use of RNG. Purification is connected to your class, so you can reliably choose what class color the result is. You shouldn't have a problem getting gear for your class.

You shouldn't even have to game the system or farm though. Bitterblack items are handed out like candy.

every rpg sucks

>>13741264

>it's been 5 years

How long have you been here? If /v/ isn't harvesting salt from the rest of the internet or raging because the industry got even more cancerous then we're busy talking about how games are shit nowadays and reminiscing about older games.

>>13741374

You know what I meant, it's either STALKER, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma or Morrowind being discussed to death along with the flavour of the month small Steam titke.

>>13741593

Yes. We have the same threads every day, and have been having the same threads for years now. Have you not realized this?

>>13738502

git gud

>>13738518

You're a dingbat. Deposit a clip of 9x39 in yourself.

>>13738502

Git gud

>>13738502

And when you get the best gear you just mow things down so it's still not fun.

Fun game, but would be better with better gear balance and a different levelling system.

>>13738583

Just reproduce Ninja Gaiden Black combat to everything and be done, fuck action/RPG, maybe Dark Souls got it right, sorta, but emphasis on action yield much deeper role-playing than gear shuffling and level grinding, that shit's for turn-based gay fest.

>>13738583

Or Bethesda.

attend thyself to further practice

>>13741593

So make a thread about something else, you wailing fucking woman. When exactly did you come to the conclusion anyone was here to entertain you?

Best Arisen from the old threads is back.

>>13738502

Learn how to save and load until you get the best drop from chests.

>>13738583

Honestly I think DD is just fine, but they should have capped the level to 50.

Just the right level to fight Grigori, and enough to fight Bitter Butt enemies including Daimon if you have enough items.