/v/ - Video Games

>>13715767

I forgot about the H1 shotgun, it actually doesn't spread the second it gets out the barrel like fucking sand.

>>13715801

>they completely gave up on trying to make the shotgun look even remotely similar to all the previous versions by Halo 5

>>13715823

>(((they)))

>>13715732

The Double Barrel Boomstick from Killing Floor 2. Not only is it arguably the best Support weapon (the AA-12 is for niggers) with a large damage output and the ability to stagger every enemy in the game, but you can use it to rocket jump ala Quake without the downside of splashing yourself. It's top notch.

>>13715732

the sawn off barrelled shotgun

>>13715732

Far Cry 2 had a pretty satisfying double barrel. Great firing sound, snappy and sexy reload animation, and the blood splatter it caused when used at point blank make it a favorite of mine.

>>13715872

>being so butthurt about a game you don't play that you feel the need to make an off topic post about it on a Cambodian pipe fitting instructional forum

>>13715875

FC2 would have been a great game if every goddamn enemy checkpoint didn't repopulate immediately when you move 100m away from it. I don't know what the hell they were thinking with that mechanic, it ruined the game for me. It's been many years since I bothered to check but are there mods now for that game? They wouldn't release an SDK for the longest time and it pissed me off that such a simple fix couldn't be created because of their kikery.

>>13716013

>so ass flabbergasted that he switches IPs

>>13716037

They doubled and tripled down as leftists always do.

>>13716085

>He's so asshurt and alone in his love for a shit game that he thinks everyone is switching IPs

Yes anon, it's all one big conspiracy against you.

>>13716085

>>13716105

/r/ ban for the derailing faggots

Why are shotguns so damn satisfying?

>>13716105

What's your favorite shotgun, nigger? All you've done is kvetch about KF2 but I haven't seen any actual contribution to the thread thus far.

>>13716420

>asking what anon's favorite shotgun is equals off topic because KF2 was mentioned

stay bum buttered faggot

>>13716240

Very practical. Can be affordable to high end custom made. Satisfying boom sound. I don't know why it ticks a lot of checkmarks but it does. Even with the smaller ammo capacity, shotguns in general is still good.

>Favorite double-barrel

Tough decision but probably the one from Killing Floor. RIP good game, ruined by terrible content updates.

>Favorite shotgun in general

Definitely the one from Blacklight: Retribution. BL:R did some things wrong, but what they got right was weapon feel. Just look at this shit, it's amazing. And it counted as a SECONDARY, so you could pack something long range to go with it, too.

>Least favorite shotgun, double barrel or not

Betty Boom from EYE Divine Cybermancy. In a game where nearly every weapon is fun and satisfying to use, they made the double barrel into the most useless POS imaginable. Long reload, way too little damage, and an absolutely MASSIVE spread pattern which made it useless for headshots or anything longer range than arms length.

RS2 shotgun best shotgun

>>13716544

k

>>13716522

it ain't meme

The CoJ Gunslinger guns are works of art. And the shotgun isn't half bad to use either.

I recently replayed Max Payne 1 & 2, and one thing that I noticed is how damn satisfying all guns are to use. The shotgun is damn great.

Metro 2033

>>13715732

>This right here is the pinnacle of weapon

>just one shot before you have to reload

>short range

Pleb. The greatest weapon is much more killy and with a lot more dakka!

>>13715913

>missions are all about working for different factions

>they still shoot at you

>they "betray" you later on despite always being hostile to you

>you kill both their leaders

>go South and you're still working for the same factions that still shoot at you

Over/Under >>> Side-by-side

>>13717054

Slavs got you covered.

>>13717054

>you know, its too heroic to make me feel threatened

You want to be threatened by your own gun? Or are you a robber that wants to be caught and held up with a threatening gun?

>>13717054

>It is too beautiful to hurt me

>A pulchritudinous being only capable of elegance

>The impact will be cushioned by its elegant form and by knowing the goodness in my heart

>pic related wouldn't hurt good people

You have never handled a gun or a women, have you?

There's nothing more satisfying than blowing up enemies in Serious Sam with the coach gun.

>>13715863

>he bought Killing Floor 2

>>13717029

miniguns ARE accurate in RL. More accurate than heavy machineguns and LMG's

>>13717044

you fucking know it

>>13716240

Because it decimates anything in it's path.

gunslinger was a fun game

I remember having a lot of fun with the sawed off in Mafia and the street sweeper in Godfather, but they probably don't hold up today

>>13717044

Anon I….

>>13719996

You mean the /hwndu/ meeting? None of the major ones were from /pol/. Also it was jewyork

>>13722009

>>13722040

Don't you try to use Charls against me. Charls would definitely be down to play some KF2 with me if I asked him.

>>13722104

Killing Floor still exists.

>Shotgun Surgeon perk

>Jury Rigging perk to repair it with fucking varmint rifles

>And Stay Back! perk

>handloading slugs and 3/0 buck Magnum

>swimming in ammo

I'VE GOT SPURS

>>13722009

>>13722104

kf2 is a shit game and the devs are absolute cancer.

t. a good goy who bought it in early access

also, charls plays competitive fps like Quake, not co-operative survival like kf.

>>13722656

it got better after the game died so hard that TW had to pull their heads out of their asses or see their money machine crash and burn

all of the gay shit from EA is gone, game still has problems, but is a perfectly acceptable sequel to KF1

that said, I still wouldn't recommend buying it at full price because of the faggy (albiet cosmetic only) microtransactions

It was a shit game for so long that I don't blame anyone for not knowing about the changes, and Tripwire is a scummy company so I also don't fault people for boycotting the game, I'm just telling it like it is

the double barrel in KF2 definitely gets my vote for favorite shotgun, though

>>13718628

>>13722756

>>13722776

I tried kf2 again over the summer, it's still shit and that's not going to change. The problem with 2 is that it's shallow.

The depth in 1 is such that there are so many pseudo-exploits and bugs that they become viable strategies and/or necessities in hell on earth. These usually require elaborate set-ups and time. 1 is a much slower-paced game, which facilitates this. 2 is faster and the zeds are constantly up in your face ALL THE TIME which does not give you any real opportunity to position yourself or strategize; you just shoot what's in front of you and if you don't you get surrounded and die, almost instantly.

In 2, the main way of dealing with sc/fp is to spam headshot until they die or stun them and spam headshot til they die - for every perk. Stuns in 2 also have a cooldown or just don't work during certain animations/rage which DID NOT happen in 1 and WILL get you killed.

Contrast this to the huge variety of stunning, flinching, uppercuts, grenade combos, melee locking… which also encourages the use of off-perk weapons. EG you need a machete/axe/katana to flinch sc as a support in order to get in close and 1 shot him with double barrel. You need a m32 as commando to deal with fp, etc. And this on top of the fact that offperk weapons cost more in 1. In 2 they're always the same price so there's the added consideration of "do i switch perk for a wave to get a cheap offperk" or "do i spend more to not switch".

Fleshpounds in 2 sometimes spawn raged. Sometimes 2 or more spawn raged. If this happens, there is nothing you can do. FPs in 2 will always be a problem until they are returned to the rage mechanics of 1. FP also used to permanently rage if it was 1 of the last 5 remaining, which is another example of terrible design decisions. (They at least got rid of this)

Aside from that, there seems to me to be a lot of confusion on the part of the devs as to how exactly they want you to play the game - camping in 1 spot or kiting the horde around behind you. In the case of the former, there are no really good spots on any map that allow camping without stuff periodically dropping on your head or appearing behind and the case of the latter the pace of the game is so fast and the zeds spawn in so fast that it's not uncommon to get wiped simply because a crowd of clots spawned ahead of you and blocked a doorway, which is annoying in itself because you aren't losing from a lack of skill, you're just losing from bad luck. Teleporting exacerbates this. It's not as bad as it was, but it's still there.

The only thing, gameplay-wise, that 2 does better is head-hitboxes. It's also visually prettier, even if the art design is rather cartoonish and infantilized. That's it.

I tried playing it with the best of intentions and there was potential there for a while in the Beta that it could have worked out, but then they refocused on microtransactions, "free xp weekends" and weekly "kill the gimmick enemies" playing incentives. They just abruptly seemed to switch from a development focus on their game to a full-on kike mode which was just disgusting, and they've never looked back so fuck em.

Give me a game that has a SxS with exposed hammers.

>>13722161

Where did you find this? Here's a 16MB webm from that version for >>13721795

>>13722865

>The problem with 2 is that it's shallow.

>Contrast this to the huge variety of stunning, flinching, uppercuts, grenade combos, melee locking…

What? If you imply that such diversity doesn't exist in kf2 you are wrong, because it does, though proposes itself in a bit different forms in some cases.

>In the case of the former, there are no really good spots on any map that allow camping

Why do you have to lie, anon?

>without stuff periodically dropping on your head or appearing behind

Which is never something a backseat medic couldn't deal with which turns

>here seems to me to be a lot of confusion on the part of the devs as to how exactly they want you to play the game

into a positive part, since kf1 doesn't have proper kiting outside of berserk medic combo and safe sweetspot camping might be argued to be a cancer in general gameplay terms.

>it's not uncommon to get wiped simply because a crowd of clots spawned ahead of you and blocked a doorway, which is annoying in itself because you aren't losing from a lack of skill, you're just losing from bad luck.

>because a crowd of clots spawned ahead

>you aren't losing from a lack of skill

????

>implying kf1 didn't have teleportation mechanics

Disingenuous at it's best.

>the main way of dealing with sc/fp is to spam headshot until they die or stun them and spam headshot til they die - for every perk

1. It is at the same rate effective as in kf1;

2. No, it's not the same for every perk:

Support - double barrel flinching;

firebug - close range knockback and groundfire;

berserk - cqc flinching/stumbling, parrying and depending on the main weapon either contributing to headshot dmg or to main hp;

demo - if we'd ignore xbow levels of broken rpg, then it's a complete inability to deal with scrakes, while having an upper hand on FPs;

medic - can't comparatively effectively contribute to the killing of large zeds outside of dmg buff stacking on the perks that can;

SS - yes, but requires clear FoV on the target and not being hit by small zeds or has an advanced option of going for stun instead;

gunslinger - requires space free of small zeds to kite;

SWAT - desperately needs zeds to be stunned, otherwise same to gunslinger;

survivalist - without rpg or c4 is even more useless than a medic that doesn't buffstack;

Commando - SWAT without stunning nades, but with more firepower options against either FPs, scrakes or trash.

>They just abruptly seemed to switch from a development focus on their game to a full-on kike mode which was just disgusting, and they've never looked back so fuck em.

>just abruptly seemed to switch

Are you retarded?

Also, they've already ruined kf with a standalone release, so go fuck yourself.

Mad Max.

Unlock the Gut Shot ability and it's incredibly satisfying to blast War Boys in half during melee fights.

>>13723392

Spoiler that shit, anon. This isn't /k/.

Why isn't this in any video game

Why don't I own one of these

>>13731665

>I mean anon it depends on what difficulty you are also talking about

The suicidal and the HoE should be the default.

>Commando in KF2 just feels weak to use against larger ZED's while he contributes to damage in KF2 mostly with smaller enemies when he attacks larger ones he doesn't end up screwing his team mates out by raging them with his weak damage output on them unlike the first game, where it meant certain death.

>Commando on suicidal in KF1 for example is almost useless, only truly being never picked on HoE and would be a quick way to get kicked out of most servers back in the day.

This is wrong on so many levels.

1. Commando is actually stronger now (especially with better head hitboxes).

2. He can still screw up the team since all the mechanics of enraging are still there and commando still despite 1. isn't powerful enough to just kill larger zeds effortlessly.

3. Commando wasn't lacking usefulness on either suicidal or HoE, the players who picked them were.

>Probably some of the mistakes TW made in the overall beta of the game that left a sour taste in everyone's mouth.

It was definitely the sjw influenced terms of service that left a sour taste, everything else was on the people who bought in on early access or TWI did nothin rong kf1 and ro2 were perfect.

>Both systems are opposing each other constantly unless it's a map that doesn't have breakable lighting or has so much open space nothing can spawn in-front of you and block your path.

>It's like the Dev's didn't want you doing either thing

probably exclusively, i.e. it was an intended balancing. As of right now either is viable given the right circumstances and that what makes the game stand out.

>but the inability to bait specific attacks to dodge them or counter attack made it feel awkward

You can still do that, it's a bit different, but it's still there.

>A bad enemy for example in KF2 would be the Gorefiend

I'd agree, while his implementation was a right choice for several reasons, as an enemy he is really annoying and feels cheap. However, despite that pretty much all perks have a way of effectively dealing with him. For example, anything stronger than perk unaffected beretta can deal with him if you don't shit your pants and just shoot his head.

>Also KF1 did not have teleportation mechanics

Yeah, looks like I've confused it, my bad.

>Both games have their fair share of problems.

I don't need anything more than that. More over, unlike kf2.5 to standalone transition, 1=>2 actually changed the gameplay dynamics enough to make it different. There are far more minute differences than we could talk about, but they don't make a bad game, flaws do and my valuation of kf2 quality would be - it's as good as the early kf1 was.

>>13731952

>The suicidal and the HoE should be the default.

I only bring this up for clarity anon since anyone playing below that is either too low level or cant handle any real challenge.

>He can still screw up the team since all the mechanics of enraging are still there and commando still despite 1. isn't powerful enough to just kill larger zeds effortlessly.

That he can but it's no where near as punishing for his team mates like it was in the first game. Zed damage is much more forgiving in this one.

>Commando wasn't lacking usefulness on either suicidal or HoE, the players who picked them were.

I call bullshit on this in the first game since support did everything commando did just better. Between the large Ammo pool and more carrying weight for more guns Support could do the job of cleanup and have a HS in his pocket for any of the Larger Zeds. But I do agree many "Commando Mains" were fucking trash.

>It was definitely the sjw influenced terms of service that left a sour taste, everything else was on the people who bought in on early access or TWI did nothin rong kf1 and ro2 were perfect.

Dont even get me started with this dumb shit or that annoying cunt of a character they added, maybe people wouldn't have hated them for EA if they actually updated the game more than twice a year.

>probably exclusively, i.e. it was an intended balancing. As of right now either is viable given the right circumstances and that what makes the game stand out.

That's true for now when the game came out originally the first few maps were terrible for this design decision. All of them felt like they didn't know what they wanted you to do on them and in fact still kind of do, only the newer / community maps really feel like they work with the systems in place.

I cant remember the name of the community map but it's a perfect example of how not to make a level it's basically a box with 2 connecting hallways and the entire lighting for it is done from stuff you can break so if someone plays demo nobody can see anything.

>as an enemy he is really annoying and feels cheap.

Playing Zerker I have found the only way to deal with the damn things quickly and consistantly is to katana their legs, for some reason it works but it feels so awkward to do.

>I don't need anything more than that.

I'm not saying the games are bad anon just that they each have their own share of problems that can be fixed if addressed. Neither of them are bad as a whole, it just feels like TW wont do shit about it unless they have to. I.E Hans

I'm going to not take the easy way out like a fag and say Payday 2, at least very early in the game's life cycle. Great accuracy and the highest damage of any weapon, it was an extremely powerful tool for clearing rooms, keeping in mind that in Payday only a single pellet must hit an enemy to deal full damage to said enemy, which makes shotguns extremely good and satisfying as fuck. I'd say Payday has, by far, the best shotguns of any non-ID FPS released in the past decade.

Ironically enough I got a Mosconi skin from the COP safe when Oyveykill went full jew, it has sentimental value to me now.

>>13732046

>no where near as punishing for his team mates like it was in the first game

With increased spawn rates one extra scrake can make all the weather.

>I call bullshit on this in the first game since support did everything commando did just better.

Except they have different roles. Commando can focus singular zeds efficiently, while support is only good in the lane game (sure it's the predominant one, but there are times where that's not the case or not the only case). Bloats, sirens, husks are all out of the supports scope, or at least should be in a non threatening situation.

I'm not saying that support lacks the firepower, quite the opposite - it's an overkill, even so that there might not be enough ammo for a single wave without any shots wasted. And even without that, support weapon ammo is expensive and doesn't even stand close to how effective commando can be.

>if they actually updated the game more than twice a year.

Well, mmm, they did at least in the current year.

>That's true for now when the game came out originally

Sure, but again, early access and TWI development cycle.

>I'm not saying the games are bad anon

>just that they each have their own share of problems

>Neither of them are bad as a whole

Neither of us is arguing for anything being unacceptably bad (outside of a thing I'll address shortly). You wanted to fix my post by arguing neutral standpoint maybe thinking that I'm going overboard or that I was implying that kf1 was bad or something(i.e. you thought I was straying away from the truth). And so am I was arguing for a neutral position in terms of dynamics between those games, but I've had to lean off from the center to counterpoint >>13722865 retard's points. I hope we can agree that he is an idiot. Cheers.

>>13732125

It's good enough to overcome tier 2 drawbacks, since it's the most efficient support weapon, but it's still a tier 2 weapon (which you should probably always avoid in favor of tier 3 or 4) and it has limited uses.

>>13732344

>I never felt support ammo being expensive all that much

It is, I feel and know that since online interaction drains out of me(unless I can guarantee it would be productive without any repercussions), so I try to learn how to be self sufficient or even self generating. Thus it isn't uncommon for me to reach 6k per match while not playing berserker (and then people bitch like I owe them something).

If I remember correctly rifle ammo averages on 0.7-2 per shot, while shotgun is around 4-5. SWAT has the most broken starting equipment of free 9mm, full armor and mp7 that is 0.5 per shot(and 1 shot per kill). Firebug is almost as self sufficient as berserker.

I also don't buy armor on suicidal and earlier late waves of HoE. Come on, that's free 300£.

>who clearly plays solo normal

Doesn't have to be, he only needs to be dismissive and trivializing. In that sense even you can't disagree that it's effective for everyone to shoot the head (and I'll prove that to you if you disagree).

>>13721610

The sound of the spent shells bouncing off the floor was orgasmic too.

>>13732549

>>13732562

>reload cancel by melee bashing

>This is extremely fun with gunslinger

I actually don't like it on gunslinger or any other perk with fast reloads, since you don't actually save that much time, but also have a chance to fail the reload.

Also, speaking of canceling actions, I hate how light melee attack cancels the strong one, one of the reasons I dislike playing berserker.

>nobody heals each other

Most of the time the only thing to do in that situation is either heal others at low hp or abandon the ship (usually you need to be a forefront player for that to work more effectively). In the former case people usually start to heal in return, in the latter they die and have a chance to learn a lesson. Rarely when I give out medic guns people don't heal, but I agree, it's extremely annoying when they don't.

>the game also isn't as charming as the first

I'd say it is charming, but different. Like how standalone was charming but different to kf2.5.

>the health scaling is busted in KF2's co-op

With rpg and railgun in place it's good enough. As long as those exist it's more of a matter of cooperation and teambuilding than scaling issues. I also believe that solo is different to 1 player online server in terms of zed stats.

>>13732419

I geuss im just used to hogging all the kills to myself cause of the 5 tumors on my back called a team unless ones a medic.

And dear god why would anyone argue shooting something in the head in a videogame would do less damage. In a game where nothing has any armour really. The only thing in kf2 would be the firebug.(and demo i geuss even though it can headshot but why would you want to?)

>>13733642

>And dear god why would anyone argue shooting something in the head in a videogame would do less damage.

No, the point is. The guy could be playing on suicidal regularly, but he is dismissive about what he observes that he can trivialize data into "every perks duty is to shoot large zeds to the head". Obviously that's not true, but if you were to say that it's not true I would explain how that conclusion could be reasonable. And the counterpoint to that isn't that "anything else would do less damage", it's that "not shooting in the head and doing something else would be more useful as a result".

>The only thing in kf2 would be the firebug

But flare revolvers and the trench gun do some pretty decent damage.

>and demo i geuss even though it can headshot but why would you want to?

Because RPG has an insane impact damage multiplyer on scrakes?

>I geuss im just used to hogging all the kills to myself

Well, kills wouldn't do much if you can't reach higher tiers early enough. For example, how early can you get a tier 3 and 4 weapons in a long game? The right answer is with a bit of a stretch by wave 2 and 3 respectively.

>>13733765

Oh yeah the RPG does do that to scrakes I forgot my mistake. And yeah the flare gun and trench gun do okay damage id just prefer to have a flamethrower and the Chaulk for maximum CC and enough ammo to last the entire round and kill everything if you tap fire. Did they ever fix tap firing being better than holding down fire with those? I forget.

>>13733871

>Did they ever fix tap firing being better than holding down fire with those?

I think the only thing they could do is to either nerf it or buff it by allowing single shot taps. I doubt either of those solutions would be satisfactory thus the conclusion is that it's fine as it is.

>>13733870

>not liking babby's first FPS is casual

>>13733870

Anon, hating Halo is a meme sorry to break it to you but he is just baiting

Prey's Acid Sprayer was fucking cool. The entire arsenal was pretty great, actually.

>>13735917

>Would you rather it be like 3 where you clear a place and there's never anything else in that area?

If I had to choose between that and an endless stream of niggers trying to kill me even though I just slaughtered the entire checkpoint 5 minutes ago then yes, I'd pick emptiness. However I am sure that they could have found a happy medium and had perhaps partial respawning at random intervals instead of the lazy horse shit they shipped the game with, and I'm certain that if they hadn't been stingy cunts about it and let the community mod the damn game it may very well have developed a dedicated following and perhaps there would be a good deal of people still playing it even in CY+2. There were many positive aspects about FC2 that blew me away at the time of release, especially the attention to detail of the weaponry, the fire effects and the combat in general. The setting was lush and atmospheric, the sound quality was great, and the vehicles felt solid. As I stated before, the game was ruined for me by the fact that I never felt a sense of progress against the homicidal niggers.

>>13717044

>Side-By-Side only works at close range in game

>Over/Under has amazing long-range capability instead

>>13716240

>The Pancor Jackhammer will never be a real gun

>>13716240

They're good at blowing heads off.

>>13740365

It's nice but not double barreled.

>>13740703

Holy shit that's so fucking cool, I just finished the campaign but i realize now i've been playing like a bitch the entire game.