/v/ - Video Games

Portable consoles are pointless, why not just make a mobile game?

>>13692278

Because 'mobile' games are complete shit.

they'll probably have to because the switch is a bit too big to be a portable and Sony or a different company will be able to take some of the vacuum that will arise.

>>13692278

Unless full button schemes come back to phones you will never see me playing a game on a phone. On top of that "mobile" games are fucking trash because they appeal to normalfags because of short bursts of success design to all their games.

>>13692286

Does't the Switch technically fill that vacuum? I know people that have never used the dock and only play it portable.

>>13692302

The cost, size and small library doesn't make it fill the entire handheld void, especially when the games selling on it sell for full console price.

Plus its sales are pretty low if it expects to be both a console and a handheld.

>>13692306

sauce

>>13692316

Also

>be Nintendo's new hybrid handheld console

>have no backwards compatibility with any of their established libraries for neither their consoles nor their handhelds

kek

>>13692357

But it's okay when Sony does it.

There’s already an EO thread asking these same questions, anon.

>>13692378

Sony hasn't innovated in 2 generations and they've basically lost the handheld market

Sonyggers are just as bad as nintendrones. I personally hope a new player entirely besides Microsoft enters the handhelds. Ideally Sega but I'd be happy with almost anyone.

>>13692286

Sony lost too much on the Vita to ever make another portable console.

>>13692414

Opposed to that… 3 hour battery life of the 3DS and Vita?

>>13692286

It's about as big as one of the larger sized phones people use for work.

I was always a handheld + PC guy. Sad to see handhelds die. Hopefully they stop fucking around with the Switch and start porting over all the Wii U games nobody got to play and we start to see sequels to 3DS games on the thing. So far it isn't worth owning anymore than a Wii U or Wii was.

>>13692400

Who the fuck has room for 34543543646 different consoles, their accessories and games? You need to cut down somewhere. Having a console that can utilize multiple game libraries is nice. That's why the old grill PS3 is one of the few home consoles I own right now.

>>13692240

They'll push it hard, under the belief everyone will use their product in public. Truth is, the older generation plays it only at home, and the younger uses iPhones or iPads (which then gives them the internet as a whole). And public interaction games are dying since no one interacts with anyone if they can help it (outside of a con) and if you want to meet someone for those features, you'll find a forum for it or just use it's online features which do the same.

We'll see the "death" of handheld gaming for a while, or the consoles becoming more "portable".

PSVita still does well in Japan (somehow), so handheld gaming in the west might live via some very dedicated fans of Vita titles, but even then the small market size means it'll only be hardcore weeb titles from Japan.

>>13692453

Any chance for 3rd party battery packs that trick the system into thinking it's being charged?

Or because it charges when docked- does that make it try to output to a non-existant TV?

>>13692416

My XL gets about 5-6 hours on a full charge usually.

>>13692416

>It's okay because something else had the same issue

>ellipsis

>>13692545

More like why is it a problem now when it wasn't before?

The Switch IS a handheld, after all

>>13692278

Because it would be gachashit game and infested with ads.

>>13692240

Probably not.

>>13692461

It's also reason why emulation exist.

I expect a mini-Switch unit to be announced within a couple of years to fill the void. Not sure how Nintendo will get around the fragmentation issue if they don't have removable joycons though. Maybe they will have to make a Joycon S line of teeny tiny removable controllers instead of leaving them bolted on to the system.

Or a tiny Switch that's just a phone size version, basically, and with a Joycon grip + phone grip attachment where you dock it in when playing portable.

>>13692453

The battery life is shit, but you can get one of those external USB battery packs to charge it on the go. It's not a perfect solution, and it is fucking stupid that you can't replace the battery with a better one, but it's better than nothing.

There are some third-party cases that have battery packs built in too.

I don't understand people saying it's not portable. It doesn't fit in a pocket, but that doesn't mean it's not portable. A laptop is "portable" despite not fitting in a pocket. I understand if that makes it inconvenient or kills it for you, but you can't just redefine a word like that. "Portable" doesn't mean "fits in my pocket", it just means that it's made to be carried around and used anywhere, and the word says nothing about quality either way. The Switch is portable; whether it's good or convenient is a different discussion.

>>13692519

You can charge it while you're using it, but it won't run in full power mode unless it's outputting to a TV and being charged. If you're charging it while using it in handheld mode, it still runs at the handheld CPU clock, unfortunately.

>>13692619

The only time I've brought my Switch out is when I had to do registration for a new car, and knew I'd be waiting at the DMV for hours. I do use it in handheld mode all the time though, when one of my kids wants to watch something on the TV.

It being a gimmick or not shouldn't have any bearing, though. If it's a supported feature and it's done badly, it should be criticized. I think it's executed fine, but "it's not important because I don't use it" is fucking stupid.

>>13692548

It was a problem, the fact that they haven't fixed it yet is retarded.

>>13692619

>I can fit the switch in my pocket, just take the controllers off.

>I can only think of when you go to a friends house, oh wait online.

Anon, I sincerely hope you weren't serious. I was hoping this place lost most of its Nintendrones after Breath of the Skyrim and the Am2R shutdown.

Do you honestly consider 'online' to be an actual substitute for going to a friend's house? Do you value your time with them that little?

And your first statement… doesn't lacking controllers make carrying the whole goddamn thing around in the first place pointless?

At this point it would've been better if they just made a "Switch case" similar to a laptop case and just made the screen bigger.

>>13692619

>he'd rather play online than go to his friend's house

Fucking faggot.

>>13692662

>And your first statement… doesn't lacking controllers make carrying the whole goddamn thing around in the first place pointless?

I think he meant taking them off and carrying them in a different pocket. At that rate, you're really better off with just a messenger bag or something.

>>13692619

>2 screens is also a pointless gimick

Have you never played an RPG or dungeon crawler on the DS/3DS?

Portables are the last bastion of actual creativity in dedicated game systems. When they stop being made it really will be over. Nothing but mobage and AAA multiplatform trash from there on out. I want to hope Nintendo isn't dumb enough to abandon the market they've dominated for a quarter century, but their attempt to consolidate hardware by making the Switch the worst of home and portable in one is not encouraging. They paid lip service to the portable market saying the Switch isn't the 3DS successor, but it's telling that several very high profile portable series, both first and third party, are going to the Switch.

Sony isn't interested since the Vita flopped hard outside Japan, and no one else is going to challenge Nintendo as long as the Switch is """portable."""

I wish Sega could save us.

>>13692698

It sounded like you were just arguing against the concept of portable consoles in general. Plenty of people have to take public transit a lot, which is a good use. I know people who take the bus to and from work every day, and it can also be useful for lunch breaks when you get more time than you really need to eat and don't feel like working for free by cutting your lunch short. I know people who fly a lot for work too (at least 5 hours a week on a plane).

The portable mode does allow some unique playstyles too, like Pac Man Vs (which would be worth it if Namco Museum wasn't thirty fucking US dollars), but nothing else has really used the LAN play in a unique and interesting way (and even that is just rehashing what was done like 15 years ago at a retarded price tag). If that SFANS adapter (or some other third-party one) takes off, it'll be far better for LAN play too. Just take it somewhere, jack it into any TV, and you're ready to go.

Pretty much think of any reason somebody would use a portable console, and that also applies to the Switch when used in handheld mode.

>>13692316

>Small library

>System hasn't even been out for a year

Nigger nothing has an ample library in it's first year. Not even the DS had so many games in it's first year that you absolutely HAD to buy one.

>>13692508

Vita sells in Japan purely on VN garbage. It's a dumping ground for VNs and that's the only reason why it's still going at all. Vita survives on beta cucks looking for shitty fapping material.

>>13692760

Nigger the Switch isn't backwards compatible with anything, it costs 300 and it has a smaller library. Anon was asking if the Switch will lead to handheld death and I don't think so because it will have a small library, likely for the next year and a half to 2 years.

>>13692774

It does have about 200 games out now. They aren't all good, but at least 15 of them are very good and worth having. The Switch has had the steadiest flow of decent content I've ever seen for a game system, other than maybe the DS.

>>13692789

Excluding multiplats what are they and what are their prices?

>>13692789

The problem with discussing the Switch on /v/ is that it does have games and has a fair number of good games. But /v/ will always discredit multiplatform titles especially if available on PC(Like Doom, LA Noire, Cave Story, etc).

They are failing to see that they're missing the point(The point being that Switch lets you play these games without being tethered to your desk). You'll get those faggots and the "exclusives are the cancer killing this industry" faggots both sperging out and then discussion collapses.

Anons hating on exclusivity are right though. But when coupled with faggots discrediting multiplatform titles all they do is hinder discussion.

And like fucking clockwork >>13692801

>>13692817

>But /v/ will always discredit multiplatform titles especially if available on PC(Like Doom, LA Noire, Cave Story, etc).

If the majority of your value proposition is ports of old multiplatform titles, your console has very little value, especially to the majority of /v/ who game on PC. If you actually believe that having the 20th release of Skyrim is a selling point rather than obvious Jewry because "you can play it on the toilet now goy!", you should hang yourself.

>>13692801

I'm not playing this game again. I've played "You list off good games so I can say they're not good or otherwise say they don't count until you get bored and I declare that I win" too many times.

I also don't see the point in excluding multiplats. If a system has a good game it has a good game. You shouldn't get too absorbed in the fact that other people who haven't bought the same thing that you did can also enjoy it.

If you really want a list of exclusives, go to the Wikipedia page and hit the "Exclusive" column: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Switch_games

I use a DS lite

it plays gba games

it has a card loaded with snes roms

it can also play ds roms

I would buy a 3ds if it can be made to play n64 roms

>>13692915

>The thing is that even when it starts to get simultaneous releases of multiplatform games you're still gonna get the same retards thinking the portability factor doesn't matter because there is a PC version.

>The problem is that even if every major release had a Switch version you'd still get the same bunch of retards discrediting it as a part of the Switch's library because PC/PS4 version.

I agree that this is a problem to an extent, but the fact of the matter is, the majority of this board is primarily PC gamers. That's the platform they're most familiar with, and the platform they use the most often. If a game releases on both the PC and Switch, why would they buy the game twice? Why wouldn't they just buy the game on the system they prefer? And when you further consider that Microsoft bends over backwards for backwards compatibility, while Nintendo threw backwards compatibility out the window with the Switch, the choice to go with the platform that won't turn your purchase obsolete becomes obvious. This goes double for games like DOOM that are performance-intensive, use high-fidelity graphics, and/or are FPS games, where the PC/K&M is obviously superior (compare e.g. 2d platformers/twinsticks like Axiom Verge or BoI: Afterbirth, or cartoonish 3D games like Snake Pass).

Now once you've basically eliminated 90% of the library as being an inferior product to the PC version, your value proposition becomes the exclusives (or at least, games unreleased on PC, of which most are exclusives). There's some merit to talking about portability and the Joycons too, but for most people here those are secondary details to the games themselves.

tl;dr The reason people spout the NO GAEMS XD meme is not because there are literally no games, but because there are no games they would be willing to buy on the Switch.

I'll probably end up buying the thing for the new Pokemon, but I really don't want to because paying for online is the devil.

>>13692863

Anon if you give up preemptively you lose by default. All I did was ask for proof of your claims.

More importantly, I feel its fine to criticize multiplats if they're inferior, and Ninty refuses to give backwards compatibility. If they had BC with a single fucking platform I'd be willing to forgive them, but I'll scrutinize multiplats especially harshly from Nintendo if they're unwilling to do this.

>>13692817

If its objectively better on another platform, it shouldn't count towards the Switch's benefit unless the benefit for portability is so great that its worth considering. For something like Hollow Knight it might be able to get away with it because its a game that would be very nice to play on a portable platform.

>>13692920

There's a lot of N64 remasters on the 3DS you can get from the freeshop; not the same I know but if you're emulating its also not the same either tbh

>>13692278

Literally kill yourself.

I don't care if you love cute, sexy 2D lesbians and delicious 2D brown. Your sheer faggotry and retardation must be purged.

>>13692760

>shitty fapping material

I bet you have shit opinions.

Here's a stupid crazy idea. What if we try pooling together autism and autismbux to make our own gloriously unlicensed and unregulated handheld?

Anons already make little projects from time to time. Why not try and make something that more than says "Fuck you" to AAAshit and consoles in general? We already know mobileshit isn't an option for playing anything serious.

>>13693365

As soon as money starts getting involved, so too do the scams

It'd be nice but we've been burned by cucks on just regular games alone, like Yandev and mongirl island dev

Imagine the risk that would come with a handheld, and more importantly, what would be the point of such a handheld if nobody develops games for it, outside of maybe /adgd/ if we beg them to?

>>13693327

>brown girls

Your opinion is literally beneath mine.

>>13693380

You've just proven how much even more of a raging faggot you are.

>>13692545

>>13692658

If it was such a problem the 3DS wouldn't be the best selling console this gen.

The Switch CAN and WILL replace traditional handhelds. Get over it.

>>13693365

Cobbled together emulator machines running GNU+Linux has been around for years now. The pyra looks neat.

>>13692240

it's over

>>13693396

Says the manchild who plays nintendo games in public and faps to niggers.

Go back to drinking semitic semen or whatever it is you do when you're not fagging up /v/.

>>13693430

>tanned skin = nigger

When will you retards be gassed?

>>13693437

>>13693442

Tanned is the same thing as a nigger you fucking cucks, kill yourself

>>13693451

>I don't know what either of those words mean

Shut the fuck up and guzzle some antifreeze.

>>13693467

Guzzle down a shotgun and kill yourself, nigger loving cuck

>>13693365

>What if we try pooling together autism and autismbux to make our own gloriously unlicensed and unregulated handheld?

Chips are only cost-effective to manufacture when there is a large and sustained demand for them. Even then, the vast majority of chips on a new die are going to have defects (case-in-point: the NVIDIA 970 were just defective 980s that they sold at a lower price point because they were still mostly functional except for 0.5GB of VRAM). If you want the per-unit manufacturing cost to be ~$300 to compare with the Switch, you're probably going to end up spending at least $150 on the CPU and GPU alone, and probably closer to $200. Even then, if you want it to be a handheld, your setup is going to be throttled into the ground because high-end cards have ridiculous power consumption and emit tons of heat that you don't have space to add cooling to handle.

And that's only one direction where you'll inevitably fail to make something decent. I could think of 10 more ways such an initiative could screw up and kill the entire damn thing, but an idea so stupid doesn't deserve that kind of writeup.

>>13693451

>latinos, the result of interbreeding between native americans and white settlers, are exactly identical to niggers

NO U

I remember a time when handheld consoles was for kids hence a reasonable price that the average family could afford having the kid running around with the thing not worrying about the kid breaking it.

>>13692240

>Is Nintendo not going to make another genuinely portable machine again.

You have it backwards. The Switch is their new portable machine. The real question is if they're ever going to make a console again.

>tfw no new Advance Wars

>we get waifubait FE instead

Time to die lads.

>>13693484

Couldn't we try shoving something strong enough to run at least GBA to DS level emulation into a stupid looking amateur tablet with buttons and try basically making romhacks from the ground up that are actual games?

I know I'd need something beefy to make a good 60fps 3D game, but what about much weaker graphics and processing like the best and most simple handhelds?

>>13693405

Okay, then why isn't there more of a community effort around this kind of thing if anons are willing to spend on retarded shit like Kickstarter they're not even involved with?

I'd much rather try working with anons to make something, the ones that actual understand what they want and are trying to make.

>>13693428

No, the retarded faggot edgily called portables entirely pointless then went on to spew retarded false flag tier shit.

There's already 2 ways we've seen an obnoxious lack of credibility whatsoever.

>>13693662

>something strong enough to run GBA to DS level emulation

Anon even the cheapest smartphones can do that with no problems, my 60$ smartphone from over 4 years ago can emulate GBA and DS games fine

>>13693814

I don't know what I'm asking, I just want good anons to fucking work together to solve our deficiencies.

>>13693662

>Couldn't we try shoving something strong enough to run at least GBA to DS level emulation into a stupid looking amateur tablet with buttons and try basically making romhacks from the ground up that are actual games?

That was known as the NVIDIA Shield, and it flopped pretty hard. The Switch is essentially the NVIDIA Shield 2.

>I know I'd need something beefy to make a good 60fps 3D game, but what about much weaker graphics and processing like the best and most simple handhelds?

Then why would you use it? What advantage does this hypothetical product have over the Switch or phones, considering that homebrew and rooting/jailbreaking/emulation exist?

Also:

>>13693662

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>>13693727

>only replies to one post at a time

>triple posting

>every paragraph is only one sentence and followed by 2 newlines

>>13693852

>"Why can't someone else solve my problems for me?"

Reddit, is that you?

>>13693884

Don't try and force presumptuous bullshit like that bottom part into my mouth. I single reply a lot and I just space because it looks right. I've never had anything to do with leddit.

>>13693937

Seriously, what do you actually want out of this portable dream machine? If you just want battery life, there are plenty of phones with emulators that could provide that without requiring building a supply chain and designing a new system.

I was pretty sure you weren't a ledditor, but I would appreciate if you'd stop the triple-posting and put more than one sentence in a paragraph. It kills the thread faster when you do that.

>>13693884

>Lagdroid for emulation

Ew.

>>13694042

How the fuck did i mistype cover

Smartphones were a mistake

>>13694071

Try holding that shit in your hands for extended periods of time you asshole. My friend got it and holding that abortion in my hands was really fucking uncomfortable.

>>13692618

Swords are portable, doesn't mean they fill the same niche pocket knifes do.

>>13694112

When I got odyssey I played it in portable mode until my battery died and it felt fine. Git gud at having hands, faggot.

>>13694112

>Try holding that shit in your hands for extended periods of time you asshole.

I do. Regularly.

The corners and shoulder buttons are far more rounded, making it much easier to hold for extended periods. It's a lot like the Vita so while it's not perfect, it's still much better than the hand-rapingly dreadful ergonomics of any of the DS systems. Excluding the original Phat.

>>13692240

Yes, they have openly said that the Switch is NOT the successor to the 3DS. They will make a proper thing to be the next Nintendo Portable Console.

>>13694153

They said the same thing about the DS and the Gameboy, retard.

>>13694153

>Yes, they have openly said that the Switch is NOT the successor to the 3DS.

But the next Pokemon game will come out on the Switch. That means the Switch is the next-gen portable Nintendo console.

>>13694153

I'll believe it when I see it. The 3DS is at the end of its lifespan and they're not gonna have two portables with different game libraries going at once. There will just be Switch revisions.

>>13693990

When I said I don't know what I'm asking, I wasn't saying I want someone to do all the work for me, I was saying I literally don't know what I need to somehow make to fill the comfy, portable niche and diversity of handhelds and not fucking overheat constantly and it pisses me off.

>>13694159

Ignorance isn't retardation.

>>13693428

The only games for mobile are emulators for portable consoles, gachashit and old mobile phone games which didn't changed since Nokia brick.

Also don't forget about little problem called compatibility.

Why make it possible for ~1000 smartphones, when you can just make it possible for 1.

>>13693451

Now you're just being retarded.

>>13694071

No you don't understand. It wasn't the last bastion BECAUSE it was a handheld. It simply was the last bastion. The last hold out after all other hold outs fell to the hordes. The games weren't good because it was a handheld, they were good because the horde just hasn't fucking gotten around to it yet.

>>13694268

No, they were good because they couldn't try to imitate shitty movies and had to actually focus on being good games in order to get attention and sell.

>>13694071

You are cancer.

>>13692400

>last generation wiiUfags were gloating about how their console is superior because you can play games from the last 2 generations of nintendo consoles

>what's the deal with BC? are you a goy?

jesus fucking christ this is like sonyfags defending PSN+

>>13695478

I’d imagine increased power consumption due to better specs

>>13692306

>them no longer mobile games would not solve this issue

Except the app market place sucks and the average expected price is zero. Seriously, if Valve made an app store, it would be less shit. However, I doubt Apple would let them.

>>13695503

This.

The improvement that can be made in battery technology is incredibly small while most specs for systems even nowadays are still improving rapidly. One simple outpaces the other.

>>13695494

this

>>13694310

Seconded. Mobile game consoles were good because they couldn't even attempt to be movies.

It also helped that they were all Nintendo consoles as well, considering that they don't really care about being cinematic over gameplay, and when they do it almost always goes badly for them financially.

>>13694112

I own one of the things and I can tell you easily that it's only painful in your hands if those "extended periods of time" are 5+ hours. If you're playing video games for longer than 5 hours at a time without special ocassion, then controller ergonomics is probably the least of your problems.

>>13692278

>muh smartphone

Kill yourself

Once the 3DS is fully done I bet Nintendo will release a more portable focused and cheaper switch variant for children. They've already started right now the 3DS is their entry level product. This stitch variation will probably release alongside a more powerful switch similar to the current one. Like the new 3DS.

>>13700578

I hope so. it'd be nice to get a Nintendo console with some actual power.

>>13695478

Man I found my original GBA SP that was in a box since 2010 the battery still went 3 hours before I had to charge it.

>>13692606

The Joycons are already tiny enough, there would practically be no point. They'd probably would just sell it like the original 2DS. Just all one plank. Honestly, knowing Nintendo, I wouldn't doubt it if they DO make a Mini-Switch, with its own line of Mini-Switch only games.

>TFW all the game series with gammicks built around the DS' dual-screens and touch screen are gonna die off

It's a shame too since the Wii U could've continued this, but now it's dead in the water due to how Nintendo handled the Wii U.

Etrian Odyssey is confirmed to have one final game on the 3DS before ending, and I imagine Kirby Canvas Curse games are out of the question. It's really sad, has there been instances of this before where a console created unique gameplay options that weren't carried on, killing any series that built itself around them?

Good riddance, to be honest. I never take my consoles out of the home. A handheld game is just a game I have to play on a shitty tiny screen.

>>13700840

Do you also feel like a Basic when you pretend to be doing something on your phone to kill time?

>>13700840

ditto for handhelds, but playing emulators on smartphone is just normal, i just wish there existed and android gamepad that didn't suck for when i can take it out and play without fucking everything up, i ve had 3 different ones and i resold them because the dpad is always shit tier, and they are on the upper price tier, i rather not try my luck with the $20 tier ones

Their president just hinted that there will be more ways to enjoy switch. I think it will be a handheld version of switch.

>>13700840

>I feel like a manchild playing video games in public

>being this self-conscious about your hobby, likely within a community that couldn't care less about it

anon please

>>13692416

With wifi on and brightness nearly set to max, the Vita still lasts longer than 4 hours. And that's just the 1000 version. The 2000 version can go above 6 hours while downloading games and playing some. If you were to cut the brightness down and play with no sound on airplane mode, you could go above 7 hours. Why is it people who use ellipses like that never actually know what they're talking about?

>>13693402

>If it was such a problem the 3DS wouldn't be the best selling console this gen.

Because it was the only way for many to play Monster Hunter, Pokemon, and some of the newer Zelda games. Those alone are system sellers. The 3DS doesn't even have a high install base because it's not even that good and besides those system sellers there's not much else.

>The Switch CAN and WILL replace traditional handhelds.

>CAN

It can when you refuse to make other handhelds and force the system sellers to the Switch. The Vita is nearly better in every way as a handheld. The Switch only has a slightly larger PPI than the Vita, otherwise it's completely inferior until it gets a ton of games. Even then it's still too massive and the battery life is trash. It's a "handheld" that's really only good inside your home. Don't expect to constantly play it on a long plane/train ride.

>>13692742

Handheld provide that nice area of creative freedom combined with the expectation that you're more likely going to get something niche that you usually won't see on consoles and maybe PC. The PS4's library was mainly ported Vita games for the longest and that's why there's so much more variety than usual. Saying that, unless it's PC, we barely get any dungeon crawlers. They're non existent on consoles (besides the Demon Gaze 2 port) and are great for handhelds since they don't rely much on graphics.

>>13692240

It was bound to happen eventually…

>>13701246

it's because I can't let people see me playing Animal Crossing anon, jesus christ they'd think I was a pansy.

>>13694071

>Yeah, I'm really going to miss those tiny screens and underpowered hardware.

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Friendly reminder that a tegra chip is pretty much what was used in the Ouja.

>>13701560

I believe we call these a blacking

>>13701343

That actually exists

Capcha: sinrer

>>13701560

>blacking

They don't use gerund form anymore these days, they just say "blacked."

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>>13695533

Having two fucking screens didn't help either. The biggest single draw has always the screen.

>>13695503

>I’d imagine increased power consumption due to better specs

The 3DS' specs are much lower than smartphones that are both smaller and last far longer playing demanding 3D games. The 3DS' battery will even drain at an alarming rate in sleep-mode with wireless off.

>yfw Nintendo releases a 2DS-like Switch (with a top screen, bottom touch screen, and a stylus) that uses the same joycons as a regular Switch, just swap them out of your normal Switch and into the DS Switch and walk out the door, or just buy the DS Switch bundle that includes the joycons and forget about the vanilla Switch

I really don't like portable consoles tbh. I'm always happy when emulators are able to play their games so I can play them on a big screen with a controller. Still no easy solution for stylus DS games like Twewy though, that was a good portable game.

>>13693428

I got the point exactly. Because then every game will be mind numbing dog shit made to pander to every fag and his mom with a smart device. It's good from a business perspective, maybe. But from a true gamer's perspective, it's the ultimate heresy.

>>13701246

It's not. Quentin is just a massive faggot.

>>13705976

Your solution is a $500 art tablet… Are you literally retarded?

>>13692240

The Switch is technically portable though

It's a confused bugger and in all honesty I'd say we're not going to see any more Nintendo home systems with more certainty than Nintendo handheld as the Switch is a confused bastard

>>13692240

say good bye to genuine handhelds this is the future nintendo fans chose.

After all the nips look at the switch as the next handheld if Sony does not have any plans(which they don't have because of the vita's failure). Now we only have this tablet thingy, sure we get Pokemon and the usual suspects of JRPGs but I'm afraid there is not going to be a pure dedicated handheld.

good riddance. the DS was the stupidest gimmick in handhelds, up until they managed to shoehorn an even worse one into it with 3D.

>>13702374

The sleep function may as well not exist. The only thing thats shut off is the screen, the hardware still drains everything within at least 24 hours. Though the battery does hold its charge fairly well when its completely shut off. Had over half a charge on mine when I let it stay off for a few weeks.

The death of handhelds isn't a big deal. I mainly use handhelds to move around the house while I play. If I bring one somewhere, it's to play games with friends at a coordinated time, because otherwise I'm not going to walk around staring at a DS like a child. The Switch is good for both of these; the only thing the DS was good for that it's not is carrying around on your person to take out and play whenever. But no self-respecting person actually does that.

>>13706831

>>13706513

kys

>>13706839

What do you use the DS for that you can't do with the Switch? Do you actually take it places and just play children's games in front of other people? Mobile games might be mostly bad, but a few aren't, and as a bonus people won't look at you like you have autism.

>>13707018

That's a decent senran.

>>13706798

WUZ

>>13701150

I'm still hoping that Sony does *something*. Vita survives in Japan because most JP players play during the commute. Some are satisfied with mobage """"games"""" (more like colorful casinos with cutscenes and "gameplay"), but others prefer actual 'classic' videogames, and remote play coupled with their solid internet makes for decent ways of playing 'console games on the go'.

The switch is *nowhere* near that level of adoption. It's too small to be a fully fledged big console and it's too big to be a decent portable. It's basically in a middle state, just like 'phablets', which are too small to be a decent laptop but too big to be a smartphone you can actually put in a pocket.

Battery life doesn't help either, and the system software design itself is still shitty. Recent update allows transferring savedata but it's one-way and requires transferring *everything*. There is still no way to properly back up your own save data. Lose or get your Switch destroyed? Say goodbye to all that data - there isn't even a PS+ cloud save equivalent.

Sony, or Sega, whoever it has to be, needs to step up and make a proper competitor. Otherwise Nintendo will monopolize non-mobage portable gaming with the not-so-portable Switch.

>>13707132

KANGZ

>>13692278

I hope you die a slow and painful death

>>13705976

In order to use wacoms patent you pay out the ass as a 3rd part user of its patent, so unless you want to pay an extra 200-300 for a nintendo handheld, forget it.

>>13707359

Nintendos problem is gating its software, sonys is that it gates its hardware. With custom firmware, which the switch will get, the gated software problem will probably be somewhat fixed, gated hardware fixes like with the vita are nowheres near as nice. Both suck. and I hope that with switch cfw someone hacks and makes custom servers free of nintendo pay to play online tyranny.

It's over Nintendo is finished

>>13707669

>They just need to avoid everything wrong that the Vita did

Where/How did the Vita fail? It always seemed to be the better choice, spec wise, but I've always been weirded out that it never got the same amount of care as the 3DS. Was it the lack of titles?

>>13707839

Lack of noteworthy "must-haves" on it, and they lack system sellers as well

The proprietary SD card thing is a bit of a nuisance as well, and it definitely shouldn't have been done when their more well-known competitors were allowing the 3DS to use microSDs and SD cards.

3DS kills it with first party games and

general "must-haves' on their system.

The Vita has a pretty good library but the marketing for it is all but nonexistent as well; ask most gamers (who don't own a Vita or aren't full-on Sonyggers) if they can think of a game worth having on the Vita and they likely won't be able to do it.

I considered getting a Vita too just from hearing so many good things about it on /v/ as an emulation machine among other things, but I've rarely heard any titles that would really drive me towards it to begin with.

Plus it didn't really have any impressive gimmicks to go with it either; that's kind of lame but the 3DS catches your eyes with its dual-screens. Design appeal is a thing, believe it or not, and it becomes very recognizable with the way Nintendo brands and markets their product.

>>13707669

Sega has a distinct advantage over most competitors by already having one of the most recognizable and strongest mascots in gaming; they can provide some decent first party support on it if they were to truly try. Plus they have a reputation and ability to get away with stuff Ninty wouldn't be able to, like uncensored games and whatnot. They could market themselves towards a more "hardcore" audience.

>>13707839

They pushed it too hard as a portable console imo. There should never have been Vita/PS3/PS4 multiplatforms, that just led the Vita to get inferior versions of games.

>>13707964

Its idiotic as well because the Switch is at a static price point, and most of its games will be at console prices

That won't make the handheld crowd eager to buy it at all; its the most expensive handheld I've seen in a long time if its considered that, with the most expensive games too.

>>13707964

Could be something to do with the Wii U eating into profit made by 3DS, though that is just conjecture on my part.

>>13708190

>Wii U eating into the profit made by the 3DS

the Wii U was an objective failure by every measure; if anything the 3DS took all the money from the Wii U market

>>13707908

>the 3DS catches your eyes with its dual-screen design

I don't know about that. When the DS first came out, I remember thinking "Two screens? Why?" and for some games, "Why?" was a good question. The idea of the 3D in the 3DS did interest me at first, but when I first heard that you had to basically cross your eyes, I also asked "Why? Did we really need this?" Honestly, the best part about the DS and 3DS design was the fact that it could fold into itself so it could fit into your pocket and protect its screens.

>>13708438

The 3D was a pointless gimmick, but the two screens (with one being a touch screen) was a great feature.

>>13707669

sega is staying out of the console market because r&d costs of hardware areactually quite expensive.

>>13707946

that hurt it the most, at this point my vita gets most of its use from remote play.

>>13707974

no disagreement with it basically being a bloody expensive handheld, but nintendo moving to basically a handheld console and eventually just the handheld console is probably a smart move software development wise. its a gamble, and I have no clue on how it will play out until I see the 1 year sales numbers, since I am not the faggot patcher who trys to talk through his ass and acts like a broken clock. they do need better pricing for the games though or they will kill sales first and third party, or end up having flash sales like sony.

>>13707560

Considering Nintendo can't into /security, it'll happen eventually.

First thing to come out will probably be a savedata manager. But that won't fix the shitty battery life and build of the system - things that will be inevitably addressed with the upcoming new! Switch +XL HDR Turbo VR edition

>>13700840

I also don't go outside.

>>13710371

>Switch +XL HDR Turbo VR edition

>VR Edition

>from the company that waited until halfway through the PS360 cycle to release an HD system

>from the company that still doesn't have a decent online system yet has the gall to charge for its use

Nintendo's idea of VR is going to be a cardboard box that you put the Switch in and tie the box to your head with shoestring.

>>13707908

Proprietary memory helped the system stay hack-free and piracy-free for a long time, second only to the PS3 once the lv0 keys got leaked.

Sony can into /security a bit better than Ninty, since PS3 is only fully blown up with up to 2011 systems and for the Vita only on 3.60 system software, whereas the 3DS is basically at the endgame now that the bootrom has been blown to bits.

The lack of true system seller titles later on also killed the 'mainstream' appeal of the system. True, JP fans are happy as fuck with the Vita, but it's a niche part of the market, regardless. Vita started strong with great system tech-spectacular titles such as Killzone and Uncharted (this one being made by the Syphon Filter guys) but then it just flatlined. The true system seller for many was actually Persona 4 Golden.

Even the big gimmick of the system, the dual touch, was heavily unused. A Trauma Center game could've worked greatly on the system, but Atlus seems to have forgotten about this series now.

All things against it, though - the Vita is a solidly built system. Battery is good, if you run out of power the system actually goes into deep sleep and you can resume where you left off once you charge it back. The buttons are clicky and comfortable, dual sticks beat the shit out of the 3DS circle pad and 'nipple'.

A 3.60 Vita with SD card board can turn into a very versatile emulation + PS1 classics + PSP games + up to 3.60 Vita games machine. Then there's Remote play, which also makes the system work as an extra DS4 controller for your PS4.

Sony went all out with it but sadly cut the lifeline short (outside of Japan). I'm still hoping for a Vita2, newPSP, whatever the fuck so that Nintendo has *something* to go against to…

>>13710389

Probably. And it'll include the VirtualBoy library for free only if you're a 'Switch Ambassador' that bought the system on launch. In short, it'll be Nintendo Cardboard.

>>13700840

You're just a faggot.

>>13710389

Considering Google Cardboard is a thing and the motion controls can detect head motion, this actually isn't completely implausible.

>>13710404

>Vita2

>newPSP

but anon that would be the literal final death knell for it unless they came out with some really, really good and hyped up titles for it. More of the same is Sony's biggest problem right now. I despise them as a company, but I despise Nintendo having a chance of holding a monopoly over any part of the video game market even more. Think about what they've been doing with their consoles. They haven't innovated at all, relying on exclusives to keep their platform afloat.

If it wasn't for Microsoft failing so utterly at everything they would be in much worse straits than they are (and in fact every other part of Sony has near-collapsed at this point. Vidya is their last hope).

They're probably going to come out with a "PS5" for their new console instead of doing anything new at all. It will have more power and better specs and that will literally be it. They're clinging to exclusives, which is helpign them out against a flailing microsoft but they're gonna get killed soon unless they start actually doing something. This will be reflected in their handheld market as well if they try what you're suggesting. They need to do something different.

>>13710426

Pretty much. I absolutely loathe Sony's shit customer support and shitty store (in the console especially) but at the very least they got the big titles and varied games. They got Kojima after Konami fucked him over. Meanwhile, Microsoft almost kills Platinum thanks to the Scalebound mess, but thankfully Yoko Taro and Square saved their asses.

If the Vita is fully dead, the JP games will start jumping to the Switch, which is something I most definitely *do not* want (and is already happening). Censorship, not being able to save backups of progress, shitty ass system? No thanks.

And yeah, vidya is what kept Sony alive. Thanks to MS fucking up beyond belief before even launching the system (Sony's 'used game instructional video' says hi), PS4 pretty much steamrolled the generation and even PSVR and other services such as Vue are being profitable, according to their recent reports.

The new handheld (if they do it) will most likely be something like the "Sony Convert" or "Sony Flip" as a callout to the Switch. The PSP already had TV out, hell - the Nomad had TV out and an extra controller port for your friend. If they make the portable have full PS2 support it'd be a great addition, but most importantly it should *not* use shitty proprietary expensive memory.

Being something too gimmicky or different might be bad, though. It'll be novelty for a while and then just die again.

There's still a part of the market that just wants a portable system to play regular-ass games. No wagglan or motion controlling stuff. Just some god damn games. The Switch does not exactly fill that niche, and that's where they should strike at, I'd hope.

I really want Sony to stay in the handheld market (because current gen consoles are trash). All they have to do is drop the proprietary memory bullshit and make nice exclusives. We know Microsoft will continue to do nothing. Nintendo has the young/casual crowd. The older/niche crowd is up for grabs.

>and the games only had an original MSRP of $40.

>ONLY

>$40.

this is what cancerous consolefags actually believe.

Anyone whose sole reason for purchasing shit like this isn't to immediately put CFW on it and pirate all available games deserves a ride on the auschwitz rollercoaster

>>13710467

At least they're getting Bloodstained while none of Ninty's systems do; though that's a multiplat and also doesn't really apply to next-gen either. SMT V is going to be on the Switch though which I have strong misgivings for considering how Ninty likes to censor anything mature.

But yes, they do need something with a gimmick and a different enough design from the PS Vita and PSP, something sleek, sexy. They need to do something similar to what the genesis did in the 90s if they wanna take on Nintendo again. Problem is they're acting like scared rats clinging to the remaining scraps of their food instead of taking the risk to go out into the open and nab some big cheese. They'll eventually starve at this rate.

Hopefully they do add in a gimmick that adds a possible new mechanic for game devs to work on, while still being a stronger system than Nintendo's, and they need to market it as such.

>>13710489

One part of the problem is they haven't marketed at all towards that crowd. The older/niche games is harder to get attention for, and harder to make games for because the market for them tends to be a bit more discerning. You simply cannot just ignore the young/casual market either unless you go all the way with your shit, no going back. And even then its still unlikely. In terms of "nice exclusives" they have an okay amount, but they have way too many console ports, and they have next to no universally recognizable titles on the damn thing. Another huge problem with this as well is that niche/hardcore markets aren't easily marketed to with traditional advertising. The best way to reel them in is organically by talking with people, interacting with communities, putting out competent games and showing results. Basically what a game company should do.

I dunno if they're willing to put in the work at this point. They're a fattened rat who thinks the food will just naturally come to it at this point. Either way we'll see what happens at the end of the day. Hopefully they won't fuck things up.

why is 3ds having production halted when it's made them billions of dollars and is still so popular?

>>13711040

Because Nintendo is retarded

>>13692400

>you didn't… trade in the old one? You fucking good goy

why yes, i'd love to be given a handful of dollars for a working system i have a library for, that's definitely a good decision.

you fucking mank.

>>13710507

Are you Brazilian?

>>13711106

I have the same cintiq I would rather have gone for the more expensive ones since they got a better pressure sensitivity then the 13 hd.

How to make a portable sony console that will win the gen:

1)Round up all the IPs you still have from the PS2 gen, that don't have licensing problems

2)Make a good ps2 emu for the console

3)Make the games free(*)

* You actually have to pay PSPlus if you want to play them

Here, sony is saved

>>13711106

>>13711141

>>13705976

the display is not that useful because gotta have your neck not break, but then again your wrist is going to be more tired than your neck

>>13711230

>>13710404

>A Trauma Center game could've worked greatly on the system

Not really. Lack of a stylus kills any precision touch games.

>>13711230

fake and gay. you can watch youtube videos on the switch

The switch is a handheld that pretends to be a home console. A glorified tablet that mirrors to the tv through a cable.

>>13692240

the buttons on my n3dsxl feel pretty fucking fragile to me. I don't even want to play on it because I know that the buttons are going to break very soon. I've played less than 300 hours on it. The buttons on my ndsl are also kinda poop, but at least they're soft instead of clicky. I've had to repair them twice on my ndsl.

2 screens was a stupid gimmick . The switch is turning out to be the best Handel's released in a long time.

>>13712141

>Gimmick

Doesn't mean its automatically bad, the two screens was a clever idea because it effectively gave you a bigger area to play on while being space efficient thanks to its folding design.

>>13710404

Trauma Center/Team would have been perfect on the WiiU. Shit was essentially made for a Trauma game.

>Proprietary memory helped the system stay hack-free and piracy-free for a long time

And barely anyone would have a problem with them if they were priced nearly the same as other SD cards and had much faster transferring speeds.

>Sony went all out with it but sadly cut the lifeline short (outside of Japan).

Actually Sony barely even tried. They immediately gave up on it when the Uncharted game didn't sell so well. They then refused to lower the memory card prices despite being a huge reason why people wouldn't buy it. And then they didn't bother making bundles for it outside of maybe Borderlands. Meanwhile in Japan it was getting a whole bunch of bundles. Even Fate Extella got a Vita bundle. With the west, they didn't even try with the Vita.

>>13714123

The main problem was many games didn't even bother designing around the 2 screens. Most of the time it was just one screen did everything and the bottom screen might as well be a start menu. Not only that but the resolution of the games were terrible.

>>13692416

DS Lite owner here. 12 hours battery tbh fam. That's stock, not an upgrade or anything.

>>13700840

Fuck off Quentin.

>>13711040

Forceful adoption of new devices

i just found out there were like 3 medabots games on the gbc, nothing translated i think

>>13694153

They also said the NX wasn't going to be the successor to the Wii U.

>>13718961

Yeah, that's true. The benefit of piracy prevention was moot when the system didn't sell much thanks to the stupid-ass memory cards. To add to insult, that 'extra 1GB' internal available in the 2000 model could easily be added to the 1000 model via an update, since there's a ~2.5 GB free space in the NAND that HENkaku allows you to mount.

I was never interested in the Wii U but if a Trauma game came out for it I would've gotten one used at the very least. Too bad Atlus doesn't care about it anymore…

>>13711230

>s-sign my petition to get Golden Sun back guyz :D

>>13694168

>they're not gonna have two portables with different game libraries going at once

They already slightly did that with the New 3DS shit. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo did intend to compete with its current "handheld"

>>13692306

The companies that dedicate time solely to making mobile games, and have a good amount of cash, make pieces of shit that get popular then die just as quickly. No one is making mobile good, even those invested in it, because they know how to make a quick buck.

>>13695693

>5+ hour gaming sessions

>problem

Fuck off normalfag

>>13702374

If you actually disable Streetpass in the options, the 3DS actually has a decent battery life in sleep mode.

>>13693038

I think you're overexaggerating how many people here play games on their PC. Personally I much prefer playing on a console just because it feels more authentic. When I play on PC I feel like I'm being cucked by people who can and will just pirate everything that I've had to pay money for.

>>13710404

>Proprietary memory helped the system stay hack-free and piracy-free for a long time

That's not an advantage to anyone but Sony, and not even them because >>13721043 The 3DS was not hampered by being a leaky bucket security-wise. Also now that people have come up with SD card adapters it just makes them look like idiots and gives people even more incentive to hack it.

>>13710489

I want them to do one thing the Switch is doing that is nice: True region-free. Specifically, the ability to use multiple region stores without any issues. Also no proprietary storage yes.

>>13725743

It's pretty commonly agreed that Sony is the biggest problem with the system. Despite that it got its share of love from certain facets of games and it's my favourite handhold. at the moment.

>>13737555

Same but only because I like my computer to be libre. No proprietary games there.

>>13692278

Because it will make weaboos go full REEEEE MUH normalfagS.

I find funny how often people claim the Switch to be the "successor" of the Vita, especially when they're the same fags that would shit on the Vita for "not having games" or "having only pantsu games" (whenever their narrative worked) and often saying the memory cards were the problem when

>Switch default dock has a value of 80 bucks in the total cost, and is a cheap piece of crap that harms the console more than anything in the long run.

>Pro controller or a pair of joycons cost 80 bucks each

Not saying I'm defending the expensive memory cards of the Vita (Sony should have lowered down the prices on them at least), but people seems more willing to ignore or defend the expensive accessories for the Switch on the other hand.

I like the Switch, I just wish it had a better battery life and more games.

I preferred the Vita over the 3DS/DS, and I prefer the Switch over the DS family too.

I'm not a graphicsfag or anything, but the DS's line of graphics was so bad that they gave me eye cancer. At least the Switch is bearable in handheld mode.

>>13737888

DS(Lite) was fine, I can actually play japanese games in moonrunes since the devs paid attention in choosing proper fonts adequate to the screens. Cant say the same about the 3DS tho, the XL model also made everything worse by increasing the screens size but keeping the same resolution.

I'll still keep my DS lite and Vita preciously as the last genuine handhelds.

>>13737888

>I like the Switch, I just wish it had a better battery life and more games.

At the very least the Switch is compatible with almost any portable smarphone batteries, so theoretically you could easily double it's battery life, but you would also have to carry an extra battery with you.

The problem is that hardware technology has advanced much faster than battery technology, so you can't have a portable console with advanced graphics, small device and long-lasting batteries. It's only two out of the three.

>>13700639

Couldn't the solution be a peripheral that'd give the switch a top-screen? Better yet one with a slot to play physical copies of ds/3ds games.

>>13692240

If the Switch wasn't such a sales success 7 million sold as of Sept 30, half of what the Wii U in total sold over 4.5 years, I would've expect a 3DS successor. What I would expect now is that Nintendo would probably be willing make some sort of new separate quirky gaming hardware gimmick (like an augmented reality tabletop board gaming TV-less device?) with it's own games that would be sold alongside the Switch (and retro hardware like the Nintendo Classic Mini NES/SNES)

>>13700681

>tl;dr, "MUH 80s/90s GAMES" were interesting partly because of technical constraints, not in spite of them. It was the sweetspot meeting point of technical aptitude requirements being high, despite the technology being relatively powerful, and devs truly enjoying what they did and experimenting with it.

It's like how Perfect Dark pushed the N64 to it's limits graphically while putting in as much other innovative gameplay features (body feature shooting, shooting out lights to darken a room, Counter Ops mode, bots with different AI in multiplayer). What seemed like was going to be the future and possible standard of (console) FPS games never came to pass.

>>13744100

The 3DS is literally rehash the console, even the name is a rehash. There's barely anything unique except for some of the 3DS shop games.

>>13744100

Same with the whole current gen. I've thought of picking up a PS4 for a couple of years now but still don't really feel I need to have one.

>>13692240

I wouldn't be surprised if they had a portable only "Switch GO" in the future.