/v/ - Video Games

>np update in over a year

>toady still earns in excess of 30k

>>13642269

>toady still earns in excess of 30k

HOW?

>>13642238

never managed to get it run on my mac *sad pepe*

>>13642238

i was never autistic enough to enjoy this.

>>13642773

I'm the opposite. I'm too autistic to play it for periods any shorter than an entire day in one sitting. I only play it when I'm on vacation because my productivity plummets and I completely forget the outside world exists. I do wish the UI was better even if I no longer find it difficult to navigate, and the game badly needs optimisation. But it still sucks me in like nothing else.

Im afraid of DF. It promises so much and i know it will suck me away.

>>13642269

Next update will allow us to send raiding parties out to other locations.

>>13642238

is it possible/advisable to jump in first few times blind?

>>13643543

do it in adventure mode

>>13643543

if you never played banished or rimjobs before, you want at least a basic guide because theres no tutorial or tooltips whatsoever

Adventure mode > Fortress mode

>>13643633

It happens. I usually play a bit and leave the game for a long while before picking it up again. At that point I start a new fortress since I don't feel as attached to the old one anymore.

>>13643889

So how many task does he still have left?

20? 30?

>still no improved UI

Does rimworld or dwarf fortress have toilets or requiring citizens to bathe or anything like that

Or is hygiene beyond the game devs

>>13643967

The original intention was just adventure mode and then came that monster, fortress mode. He probably added more tasks.

>>13643989

I think there is a mod for rimworld that adds hygiene.

>>13643989

Citizens wash themselves in dwarf fortress to either wash off blood or just as a general cleanliness thing, you have the choice of either being an elf and making oil soaps, or being a savage and using crundle tallow soap. If you don't give your pixelmen clean water and preferably soap, you increase the risk of infection greatly, are they to get injured. Infections are usually far worse than any typical injury.

There are no toilets, you filth coprophiliac.

>>13644142

> coprophiliac

I know it probably wouldn't be fun in a game to have to micromanage dwarfs shitting schedules but it would be cool to have since games neglect it despite having a needs system.

>>13644142

>No drunk dorfs flinging shit all over the great hall

dropped

>>13645051

I didn't know dwarves liked using mugs over drinking from the barrel until recently so my dwarves never had any. The second they took a few mugs down to the Inn the innkeeper started serving so many drinks that 14 dwarves started throwing up violently all over the place. The great hall might not be covered in shit, but they're sure covered in something.

>>13645116

Honestly all I've really done is fuck around in adventure mode, and eat peoples eyes out as a birdman. I want to play the fort mode, but I'm kind of afraid of it turning into a huge timesink that I don't have time for right now.

>>13645323

>I'm kind of afraid of it turning into a huge timesink that I don't have time for right now.

That is a valid fear and 100% likely.

>>13643346

So? I don't even build a military half the time.

>>13645367

>>13645323

Yeah get that dorf hack thing that can speed up or slow down the game.

I'm waiting for Improved Siege… enemies that dig, climb and launch boulders at you is my dream.

>>13645462

My militaries usually suck because I'm too incompetent to set up metal production, food production and leather production while managing defence and expansion at the same time.

Maybe in the far off future we can delegate some tasks down to the dorfs and let them handle it.

>>13642269

>>toady still earns in excess of 30k

That's pretty bad for a programmer. He probably does stuff on the side.

>>13642238

Why do people play with Dwarf Therapist, Tile sets, etc? Is the UI really that bad? The only thing I had trouble with after understanding the main concept of what menus are is marksdwarves.

>>13647580

I played vanilla because didn't want to fuck with external tools, but I can see why others would. It's really intimidating seeing all that text everywhere.

>>13647580

Dwarf Therapist has a lot of quality of life stuff.

Like sorting dwarves by skills and stuff. You can find all that stuff in the game, but it would take you ages.

>>13646002

September: $6804.59

August: $6621.65

July: $6688.04

June: $6799.25

May: $6971.76

This is how much he reported for the past 5 months. He makes ok money and is a pretty humble guy as far as I can tell.

>>13647587

>>13647617

I just override their titles when they first arrive to what I need at the time, and that's the only thing they do until the dwarf dies, the industry collapses, or I draft him. Tile packs are confusing; is there really that much of a difference between whether a chair is a character or some pixels vaguelly shaped like a chair?

>>13648445

the learning curve is literally just becoming proficient using the UI

>>13648457

Right? The inconsistency of the menus and the interface just fucked me.

>>13648548

the only inconsistency that bothers me is the one with designation methods

the shit you often need you will remember quickly, like d>d or b>w>c

>>13648805

Phoebus graphics pack. Use the dwarf fortress file depot and get the lazy newb pack, it's the default. Might be called the "peredexis errant LNP" now.

Bump

So considering df progresses about 10% per every 4 years and assuming this upcoming update puts us at around 50% then that means df should be complete in about 20 years.

>>13661035

Toadey himself has said it will be 1.0 in about 30 years.

Also the source code will be released when he dies.

>>13661693

Is he planning on going past 1.0?

THE NEW UPDATE WILL BE OUT THIS MONTH, I REPEAT NEW UPDATE OUT THIS MONTH

Here's a fun idea. Play with normal setup in an evil biome. That's what I did and I could dig down 50 levels with 5 different caravans until I gave up. There was a waterfall that I used for water until I realized that random drowners would swim down and up and wreak havoc in my colony.

>>13661743

He might not make it though.

>all these pussy bitches "afraid" to play

Just do it

>>13662868

The one thing stopping me from playing is the game being an unbelievable timesink.

Everytime I start playing, I sink into it for a good 4 hours because there's always something to attend to or some nasty shit going down. And after loading your fort again next time you play, everything is as erratic as it was and on top of that you have to try to remember or relearn what mechanisms, jobs, and means you put in place were supposed to achieve, why your mayor is walled away in a room with a feeding hatch in the ceiling, what are dead babies doing in a danger room, why is a fish cleaner chained outside, etc.

I still play DF from time to time, but the only winning move really is not to play.

>>13663224

Is this a new meme?

>>13663224

(((goons)))

>>13663395

>>13663245

I want to collect them like trading cards.

>>13663201

>not putting your gay dwarves into concentration camps, forcing them to perform hard labor with no booze, then gassing them with a captured forgotten beast

Adding homo dwarves to the game just enhanced the roleplaying experience tbh.

>>13648445

Try Rimworld.

Here's one my brother experienced when we went on a DF binge.

>Acquires new mayor

>A dwarf has been found drained of blood

>Advise him to look through dwarves histories for one with multiple city and group relations

>Also look for ones with vast social skills

>Turns out its his new mayor

>He boards him up into a room and solves the dying dwarf issues

>The dwarf goes insane of melancholy

>A cave in happens while he is working on a fountain/water wheel

>Frees insane vampire

>He hangs out in the dining room chatting up dwarves

>He befriends almost everyone and they all get happy thoughts from talking with him

>Can't die because vamp

>Doesn't drink dwarves dry because of being insane

>Goes on for years

>Dies while wandering the overworld

>Entire fort mourns

>Statues are erected in honor of him

>Engravings are made

>He starts up a new fort in same world some time later

>Dwarves in the same civ are STILL making engravings, statues and artifacts dedicated to his life or untimely demise

>>13642269

Wew lad how new are you to DF, version 34 stayed the same for like 3 years.

>>13663595

There was a time perhaps 4 years ago when we were getting 2 major updates a year with several bugfix patches

>>13663619

More like 2-3 years and that were updates that occurred AFTER world history continued after fort generation.

Before it would be static ending when a Fort is created, however once that got finished he added in

>Libraries, pubs and temples

>Magic materials

>Angels and vaults

>Seizing areas in adventure mode

>Beastmen adventure characters

>64 bit DF

After which he has gone into the next mountain which is seizing foreign lands, which I imagine is finished will have its own slue of releases just like when he updated from .34.

I'm completely content with the break in between I started playing back in 2011-2012, and there was a nearly 4-5 year span between the updates then.

I have been trying to make a sort of magma cannon for a legit year now. Anytime I try this, I flood my fort with magma when trying to pump magma up towards the fort's entrance layer.

T…this time I'm sure will be different.

>>13663666

Well Satan what are you using for valves? Floodgates or bridges, I advise the use of the later.

Also if you're not already aware diagonals remove pressure from liquids as do fortifications, ie they will not get pushed upward to another z level.

>>13663632

It's frustrating when you bring breeding stock of an animal and they won't breed because the two males you brought are too busy bumming eachother to make babies with the females.

>>13663772

Arent there gay animals? I dont know if there are exclusively gay animals though.

>>13663787

Yeah there are gay animals. The frequency of gayness has been tuned down since he added it though. It was bugged at like 20% at one which meant you had to take way more male animals than you should to make sure you could actually breed them.

>>13663708

you cant pressurize magma tho

>>13663848

You can in a way with volcanoes.

>>13663772

Just like real life you wouldn't try to start a herd of livestock with just two animals. You usually want at least 3 males and 6 females. Depending on the species you will want a lot more females.

>>13665571

Just like make depot. If you're in a forested area make sure there's a path at least three wide to the depot.

>>13665000

Birds breed very fast because of eggs.

I had eggs and honey and my fortress of 80 was well stocked forever

>>13665571

Some areas have docile goblins that arrive in Winter.

And in some cases, kidnapped Dwarves can lead goblins and vice versa.

Hey, I'm retarded and have never embarked on a waterless biome before.

Why are my dwarves saying they don't have water for medical purposes when there's a staircase down to a cavern with a pool in it that has natural ramps at the edges and, more recently, mined staircases? How do I fix it?

>>13665881

yeah its a gobbo leading the dorfs

>>13665930

Hit 'i' to go into the zones function, highlight some of the water's edge in a new zone then hit 'w' to denote that it's a water source.

Yo, /tg/ here.

I'm sure you're all familiar with Boatsmurdered, and that Dorf Fort is our particular brand of autism, right?

Here's my proposal: A Succession game between /v/ and /tg/, where we rotate between a /tg/-anon and a /v/-anon in the lineup. But not just a normal succession game, no, this needs something special… namely MOTHERFUCKING FIREARMS AND TAME-ABLE DINOSAURS.

Dinosaur mod, and Dwarven Firearms in a succession game. who's down for it and whatever greentexts and storytimes that come of it?

>>13666049

there is a mod that adds firearms? last time a checked that feature was only available in masterwork dwarf fotress.

>>13666070

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=4418/

It is indeed, my friend.

>>13666090

>For DF version: 0.40.24

i just want to have musquets and shit.

>>13666364

ah, turns out one is out-dated, the other is 404'd.

Other mods to shake things up would be welcome though.

As for the disaster… You talking in-game or out-game? Because in-game that's kind of the point.

>>13666413

Why mods? Why not just the vanilla game? The shaking is done by the switched off parties, not mods.

>>13666413

I'm down nigger, Prepare to encounter unparalleled efficiency

>>13666440

Eh. You're probably right. I usually throw in something new for the novelty, a hook to get others interested.

>>13666466

Alright, How about /tg/ decides the Worldgen settings, and /v/ gets to pick location and get first crack at it?

Standard Succession rules, each player gets 1 in-game year before they pass it on, fallback to the previous iteration of the save if someone flakes out. Game continues until the fort is beyond salvage.

Give me… about a day to get everything organized on the /tg/ end?

>>13666479

>>13666440

I'd prefer vanilla as well

>>13666573

Sure that sounds good, just don't be fags and make things super boring I also always suggest 666 demons for the world gen.

>>13666696

Alright, you folks should organize a player list, I'm going to steal your OP image for my own thread.

Have you started or genned yet?

Ill take year 4 if its there in the next hour.

Or maybe not, tomorrow is probably better for me

If we're doing a succession game let me bestow some changes to the people playing.

Legendary dwarves are no longer the indomitable force able to take on 100+ armies.

Legendary dwarves get tired and are able to be swarmed by numbers so dwarves with steel gear, +2 legendary fighter and weapon skill can still be fuckled.

Large armies help and cave adaption is even worse so above ground barracks are key, or barracks with natural sunlight poking through.

>>13666764

/tg/ is slow so it'll probably be a day or two before we have everything organized on our end.

I've been trying on and off to get into this game for a while, and like another anon said, the main challenge is the UI. I tried my hardest to just get used to the vanilla UI, but I'm not sure I can. Does anyone have any graphic overhaul packs/texture packs or whatever you call them that looks similar enough to the vanilla that I could feasibly learn it and switch back to vanilla later on?

>>13663183

>The one thing stopping me from playing is the game being an unbelievable timesink.

Yeah, no shit. There were times I would spend hours just planning how I'd design my fort and looking up medieval architechture (and older) for A E S T H E T I C S inspiration.

>>13672160

>loli necromancers

More like Loli (the) death goddess.

>and yeah quickfort is up to date

Awesome, I'll go look for it.

>>13672042

Kill him, reclaim the book and let your dwarves put it in the library, bam, immortal fortress full of necromancers.

>>13643346

How can I get excited about sending raiding parties to bumfuck middle of nowhere when I can't host a proper military with reasonable reserves due to inevitable FPS death that occurs due to Toady's incompetence regarding game performance? Jesus christ, what is the point of adding extra features when the game is not even playable in fortress mode?

>>13672752

I don't get the same FPS death issues people seem to get. If you run the game with dfhack you can do some lag fixes, /fix-fat dwarves command and /clean all mud snow command and shit like that. The only time my game starts to lag is when trees decide to shit their foliage on my CPU.

works on my machine :^)

>>13672752

>people are still getting FPS problems

I play on a low-tier laptop and can keep a solid 100FPS unless its during a large siege.

Be smart with stockpile management, you don't even need a quantum stockpile everything, you just need to make sure you atomsmash shit you dont need, and to use plenty of boxes and bims and barrels for fairly centralized storage. Store food in an area only accessible via the kitchen and dining area as an example.

Keep all your workshops as close to the trade depot as possible and create one quantum stockpile for raw materials that the workshops use and a small stockpile for lumber with a quantum lumber stockpile next to it, so you can get dwarves to bring it inside into the dirst stockpile than quantumly store it when you have excess wood laying around outside.

The two biggest performance hitters are fluid simulation and pathing.

So if you don't dig into rivers and stockpile intelligently, and seal off your mines when you've exhausted them, you can have about 200 people and elves in a single map on a crappy laptop like mine that can only play Insurgency or RO2 on lowest settings when its freezing balls in the house.

>>13673104

Also I should add that workshops themselves act as stockpiles, so only stockpile stuff you have intentions of keeping for your dwarves, otherwise leave it in the shop so your dwarves can walk 3-7 feet to put trade goods in the depot. You'll be able to get your trade goods out before the merchant does.

>>13663666

Speaking of death machines, Satan, has anyone ever weaponized the Circus?

>>13673338

I don't know how you'd stop the circus after unleashing them, but I have weaponized forgotten beasts by luring them into a stairwell that led outside by pastuering an animal next to the stairwell in the cavern. Once the beast killed the animal it wandered up the stairs and killed most of the goblins that were invading. Once the goblins killed the beast I sent out my dwarven squad and my Dwarf Squad leader single handedly killed the remaining goblins. It was pretty cool. They were all worn down and bloody and wounded and he sauntered towards them while dodging crossbow bolts and bashed all their brains in without getting scratched.

>>13674378

>>13674378

Well, ideally you'd mine down to the point just before the right spot (in its own separate mine from your main one), link that with a tunnel/stairwell to the surface, then have a sacrificial dorf strike the earth one final time when a large enough enemy arrives. Suddenly you have Hell on Earth.

>>13645937

this is the reason I stopped playing. Despite the games incredible detail, there isn't much to do besides boring mega projects that no one will see and you definitely won't feel satisfied about when it's finished.

>>13666364

>That image

So what is the joke, really? Do people do map reviews like that?

>>13675000

Well obviously thats how you get them out, butnmy question howndonyou put the genie back in the bottle?

I'm thinking maybe dropping a massive stone block to cover the hole

>>13675223

Many autists critique in this way. Many, many, jaded autists. Nihilism or something.

>>13676602

>>13675223

Nah, that one's a /tg/ classic riffing on how unrealistic fantasy maps are made to suit the plot.

…It's actually just western Europe rotated 90 degrees.

>>13676679

Yes but it is a form of nihilism by slightly sad but stable people. It is also slightly sad that this could realistically happen and does happen despite the content being authentic. I am sure every critique is even parodying real historic events and dynamics in Europe. It's tragic that reality is mocked as unrealistic and purely human construct. It reveals how steeped in illusion and ignorance we are as a species, nation, and in this instance a splinter of an interest group.

>>13676679

Everything is a trope, a gimmick, a rehash, blah blah blah in a trend of ultra-modernism and neo-mania. Class is dying in a forced Marxist ideological world.

WE ARE DWARFS, SLAVE TO ARMOK!

>>13676805

>>13676818

Yep, that's the crux of RPG campaign design in a nutshell. Nothing you do is going to be truly original, so instead you find ways to freshen up old ideas. It's less about what hasn't been done yet, but more about how it hasn't been presented yet, capitalizing on novelty, or even nostalgia and the honest taste of face-value tropes.

It's basically equivalent to most anime genre tags. There's a billion and one manga series about a character with a huge sword, but there's only one Berserk.

>>13676947

I just want a true combat simulator so I can become a cyberpunk martial arts master.

>>13677242

Tell me your ideas anon. I had a few ideas for a similar thing. Roguelikes / party-based adventure games seem ripe for this sort of thing.

In particular, I had thoughts about different systems (borrowed from one of those wrestling games), such as strikes, holds, escapes, etc., and a fighting style would consist of different strengths/weaknesses of those. But then monks could also get Ki power and align chakras for stat boosts and powers, that sort of thing

>>13677290

I'd rather have a vertical 2.5D fighting game.

It would just be incredibly involved and concentrated physics and controls.

>>13677290

The tip screens would be about 999 in count, all talking about different combat styles and moves and dynamics and shit. It's like ancient martial artists formed a council and a wizard, a sage and a sorcerer were commissioned to create a combat simulator with controls that made you jizz from their perfection, sophistication and authenticity. Chaining simple controls like a puppeteer. "All martial arts seeks to return to simplicity". I would just have sage quotes running through my head all day as I try to move a million miles per second to keep up with the connections. I was watching Hero today with Jet Li and the best baddest dude in that movie (Broken Sword) perfected his skill with calligraphy. That's the shit I'm talking about.

I really want to try to get into this game, but when I first opened it up I had no idea what I was doing. Just figuring out the controls took some time and I only knew what a few of the symbols meant before I gave up a couple days later. Is there a better way to learn it or do I just need to spend an autistic amount of time with it?

I mostly want to play for adventure mode because it's the only game I can walk around as some Leechman abomination killing and eating things.

>>13675132

>no one will see

Take a screenshot and show us then.

Just curious, has anyone ever managed to play in a maxed-out embark area?

>>13678017

Maybe if you have the patience to play the game in real time.

>>13678502

Heh. I might try it when I get a proper rig. Unrelated, but do you know if modding chitin and scale to be viable materials takes effect in my current saves? Or do I have to generate a whole new world for that? In that case, is there any utility that can introduce the fix to existing world save files?

>>13679484

you need new world unless you are editing raws of already existing world manually.

One more question. Well, two of them. I know taking in random names is all the rage, but I feel like naming my fort this time. What's a good name for a fort located in an evil mountain range with a magma-filled gorge* on one corner? And while we're at it, what does the symbol you can design in the embark screen stand for? The fort or the founding group?

Can someone explain to me how military scheduling works? I've had my happy, well-oiled machine fucked over before because I didn't do some of the military bullshit right and I get raided or someone goes mad with no response force in wait.

>>13678502

>"It's a feature!"

>>13680885

I'm not going to open DF to check what the name options are but something like "Death's Maw" or "Dwarf Rage" or something halloween themed. "Pumpkin Hill" heh. "Skeleton's Keep". Make a spooky haunted mountain, turn everyone into necromancers and the undead, dark evil library… do they have organs in this game yet? I haven't played in a while. Pumpkins everywhere…. PUMPKINS. We should ask Toady for an emergency update for jack o lanterns with at least 6 face variations. 6 pumpkin sizes. and 6 pumpkin creatures. Maybe a variation drops from haunted trees that eat dorfs that try to cut it down. Anyway… halloween theme.

>>13682175

have a one squad training all the time. its much more effective to have small but super trained standing force

THREE DAYS LEFT UNTIL RELEASE

>>13685645

>trusting toady

I feel a little ashamed for having to ask this, but is there any way to set jewelers to automatically cut rough gems without me having to order them?

>>13692875

Afraid not. I really wish you could set standing repeat orders for things like gem cutting so every season I don't have to go through each and every gem and, once again, set them to be cut.

God fucking damn it. I edited the raws on an existing save file to be able to make stuff out of chitin and scale like I would with leather. Now the game crashes whenever I load the save file. Is there something I can do to make the mod work properly, or do I have to revert the raws to their original state?

>>13694354

Forgot to say, but I followed the instructions here: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Skin

>>13694383

Aren't mods usually done in a new world?

>>13692875

Manager bills maybe. If you assign a manager you can set up orders from the stocks screen and it auto delegates them. Not sure if that will let you choose the cuts though…

>>13692875

>>13695153

You can restrict the workshops to only allow a specific dorf to work it.

are gay dwarfs useful in any way? i just use them as fodder in my military.

>>13697220

They are less useful than regular dwarves as they won't contribute to your pop. They are just there to simulate realisma. Just make sure you bury them like any other dwarf when yer experiments end. The last thing you want are tons of gay dwarf ghosts lurking your fort.

What are some good complimentary job combinations, and what's a good job-to-population ratio? I keep finding myself getting hit with waves of migrants whom I end up just loading down with labors that the fortress needs right at that moment, and the end result is after 3 years I find I have a dozen engravers or fourteen cheese makers while other industries languish.

>>13697853

That ratio really depends on how many dwarves you have. If you have around 20 then you want 100% to be working. If you have say 100 dwarves then you'll only need about 30 actual workers. The rest of the dwarves are still useful because you can create armies with them and also their sheer numbers allow you to stockpile very quickly. Thus improving the efficiency of the actual worker dwarves.

Also I should add that if you delimit your worker dwarves from basic menial tasks then you don't have to suffer from poor work output when you are trying to do massivr construction projects, since building walls and cleaning etc are very basic tasks.

>>13697882

I think that might be part of my problem then - I can have 60 dwarves in my fort and I start to panic if so much as 3 of them are idle, resulting in massive workflow balances where, for instance, masonry is flooded with 20 amateurs and something like glassblowing has a single grand master but he's too busy trying to carve doors and thrones from stone to do his normal profession.

>>13697901

Yeah to improve worker efficiency its important to have your most talented dwarves be limited to very specific tasks.

It helps economically too because 1 top tier craftsdwarf is better than 5 amatuers.

I don't have a problem with workload or worker distribution, but I do have a major issue with hauling, especially early on. No matter how many dedicated haulers I assign I keep getting loads of jobs cancellations and resources lying on the floor because they're not tgetting to their respective workshops fast enough. This is a bigger issue with wood, as logs are too big to carry more than one in a wheelbarrow and I can't into minecart routes, not to mention it takes a long way from the forests to the workshop on account of my extensive defense grid. Any advice?

>>13699430

Make a small stockpile for wood next to the workshops.

Make sure your craftsdwarfs, metalworkers, carpenters etc dont have hauling as a job.

Just how far away is the forest from the workshops?

>>13699485

>Make a small stockpile for wood next to the workshops.

Check. I've made whole rooms just for storage purposes in order to further reduce hauling.

>Make sure your craftsdwarfs, metalworkers, carpenters etc dont have hauling as a job.

Check it like you check my dubs.

>Just how far away is the forest from the workshops?

I've embarked in a mountainous area that's contiguous with a small but thick forest. I've made the main entrance at the almost-top of said mountain (the top level is reserved for the main entrance garrison) after removing almost all the slopes to ensure there's only one path to the entrance that passes through multiple checkpoints. About eight Z-levels in total, with the forest at the very bottom. Also yes, I've considered digging into the foot of the mountain to make for a minecart access, but that wrecks my defense planning because it presents a far more vulnerable entrance point and would stretch my forces thinner if I wanted to reinforce the security there.

>>13700633

At least there's only four things left to do. That means the release will come around next year.

minecraft faggotry

>>13643967

78 Tasks left.

>>13702820

Good progress.

>>13704294

we got a day technically

What's the fastest way to master this game?

It doesn't seem particularly easy with noobs.

>>13712940

Basically… as disgusting as it seems, binge watch tutorial vids and playthroughs. Capnduck and Avak are likely your best Youtubers in that regard.

>>13712940

Use the wiki. There's several guides on how to make your first fort. The rest is trial and error. Remember, Losing is Fun!

>>13712969

I'd advise against this on the account that it makes things more confusing.

>>13712969

>playthroughs

Never watched one in my life.

They kill the fun of exploring.

>>13712980

>Use the wiki. There's several guides on how to make your first fort.

I don't see the multiple guides, beside the Quickstart guide.

I was hoping to find some kind of handbook that helps you through the game without spoiling it.

Can someone who's played the ROTMK mod tell me how to get my koopas out of their shells? I lose half my population after a FB attack because my koopas stay in their shells and die of thirst.

I feel like having some Fun. Could a charitable anon let me know if there's a way to find a Vault to embark on top of in Fortress Mode?

>>13718338

Oh shit wrong thread

>>13663224

>>13663245

>>13663395

He is right about the legend of whorra.

>goon

Is this a new mene?

>>13718352

Except that image is about Legend of Aang, not brown Erin.

Magic is probably going to be huge. I'm expecting to see a lot of interest in the game rise up again, like with what happened with the beastmen + adventure mode building + art update. This current one seems to have shit to do with squads and artifacts mainly, but there was also talk of some more political systems being added. I thought that was all in this update but it looks like magic will be happening next year or even the year after. Shame; I was excited to see enchanted artifacts and squads and magic and all of that shit be in a single update, but whatever. I'm still expecting magic to be some huge fucking deal for the playerbase though. There will probably be a few purists who like the more mundane world before where magic was purely tied to necromancers and fucked up biomes, which made it feel like a terrifying, eldritch force, and will just continue playing on 43.05 forever, but I think it'll be a lot of fun.

Shit man I just wanna see what he's doing. He said he wanted to make magic a really complex thing and I'm really curious as to what kind of "complex" it's gonna be. Like, will you cast like you would when you aim a melee strike? You choose an element and a desired effect from it and then cast it at a target? You'd go like

>pick fire

>can pick from various intensities and effects so magic is more sandbox-y and realistic

but I'm also expecting it to just be handled like art, where you can write a spell and sell it or learn it or buy a spellbook from someplace. I guess it kind of depends on whether magic will be handled as more of an art thing that your character picks up and learns about or as more of a skill-based thing where you can choose it from the start and manipulate it accordingly. I'm really fucking looking forward to fighting impossibly deadly bandits and monsters that have a lot of batshit terrifying spells; it's probably gonna be a lot of fun and it'll definitely add a bit more strategy to the game.

>>13722657

That would be… some arcane shit. I like it.

>>13722657

>There will probably be a few purists who like the more mundane world before where magic was purely tied to necromancers and fucked up biomes, which made it feel like a terrifying, eldritch force, and will just continue playing on 43.05 forever

If I remember correctly, I think Toady said magic level would be a slider in world generation, so you'd pick how magical the world is.

It's been a while since I've read the monthly posts where he answers questions, and I'd have to go digging for it and that's too much trouble for me right now, but I from what I remember he said he wanted magic to be like an invisible being you invoke, like a deity. Not really sure what he meant by that, though, but he also said the development of magic should differ between world generations, so some worlds would be more adept with something like teleport while others not. I think he said he wanted magic to feel unique between worlds and playing in a new world would involve experimentation to see what you can do and how you can do it, too.

Well, whether or not those things actually come to be, I'm still looking forward to the magic update because I just like magic. Plus, artifacts with enchantments could make them more practical than just being eye candy.

>>13722657

>He said he wanted to make magic a really complex thing and I'm really curious as to what kind of "complex" it's gonna be.

Now, you're probably wondering what Urist McDorf is going to need all of this magic for - after all, he's been building up blood magic for twelve years - but to answer that we need to talk about parallel planes, specifically the Abyss

>>13722960

What the fuck.

>magic should differ between world generations

>experimentation to see what you can do and how you can do it, too

Jesus christ Toady is a god. What if he's trying to teach people real magic? What if Toady the Wiz Kid is Toady THE FUCKING WIZARD.

>>13723008

A Urist is a Urist, you can't say it's only half.

>I might be wrong, but I think there's currently a gender variable both in the soul and the body. But we haven't really addressed what differences mean, since it doesn't generate trans people (if that's the right model for it), and there are no soul swapping spells. I don't think it's a straightforward implementation, overall – trans characters in games generally lean on the fact that their in-game societies also have strong gender norms, which we don't have in DF to any meaningful degree (eg, gender-restricted clothing etc.). There's a sort of trans-erasing assertion sitting there, which is bad (ie, it asserts trans people don't exist without such norms), but I think it's complicated to sort out the way things are structured, and I don't have a clear road forward (eg, how do we handle pronouns in the heterogeneous body/soul case without it looking like a simple bug to report – the character needs a larger world model within which to state their identity). The first chance we'd have is with the status groups after the myth release, though basic soul swapping/stacking/merging/etc might happen earlier.

I for one welcome tranny elf migrants, they bring much-needed diversity to the stale homogeneity of a dwarf hole.

>>13723530

I don't.

>>13723530

I wish Toady wouldn't do this shit. Or at least make it easier to identify them so I can throw them into a pit.

>>13722960

>If I remember correctly, I think Toady said magic level would be a slider in world generation, so you'd pick how magical the world is.

Speaking of, on a scale between 1 and 10 where 1 is Low Fantasy and 10 is High, where do you think DF sits on as it is currently?

>>13723530

>tranny elf migrants

There is no such thing as a male knife-ear.

>>13724010

Hey, nothing wrong with letting tranny elf migrants stay around as long-term residents. Gotta keep my vampire Champion fed after all, he he he.

>>13725425

>>13725433

>that cramped workshop layout

>dwarves cant travel through a stockpile without behaving to navigate around goods and furniture

>those tiny bed rooms

Death was sweet release for them.

>>13724134

The main distinction between high and low fantasy is the visibility and accessibility of magic, not how much magic is present. In Conan, for example, there's all kinds of magic shit out there - magic weapons, enchantments, demons, necromancers, blood magic, gods, magic beasts, etc. - but Conan is the archetypal low fantasy because all of that is removed almost completely from the day-to-day. A magic weapon is something that will live on in legends, monsters reside only in the depths of the earth, ruins and the wildest places and the closest most people will ever get to any sort of magic is buying a charm or amulet that's probably a placebo anyway.

>>13643600

>>13643543

The UI is self-explanatory enough for the most part, but it's still a fucking chore to navigate. You will have to memorize lots of key combinations to traverse menus. The core elements of the game like building the important stuff and designating work are not bad, but building the more advanced stuff and the entire military system is a UI nightmare. I still spent hundreds of hours on this game, but man the UI fucking blows. You should use Dwarf Therapist at a minimum, it makes it easy for you to manage your dwarves' tasks and jobs, and it's basically just a fucking spreadsheet. A spreadsheet being a major improvement on the vanilla UI should give you a good idea of what you're dealing with.

>>13725793

What's a tile suppose to be metrically anyhow?

>>13728295

Toady says 2x2 meters long/wide and 3 meters high is the general metric he uses. But space is weird in current DF because every creature is one tile in size from babies to giant elephants.

>>13728518

Quarter tiles would be awesome.

>>13728518

It'd be cool to have dragons and other large creatures be laid out like the caravans, where they're multiple tiles moving around as an entity instead of just one. I think it'd add an amazing sense of scale and would be awesome to witness in game.

>>13730439

Then you have to consider the vertical tiles. He would have to make DF 3D…. still ASCII

Honestly his development process is good and should be implemented more often. Get all the gameplay, mathematics and such (CPU primary RAM secondary type) completed, and then go for sophistication of interface, controls, and graphical processing. Dinner before dessert. Getting into matrix mode requires complete focus and commitment anyhow. Can't STEM thinking about how difficult it would be to animate it. Just shit the output to text and ASCII and call it a night (at 4AM). Gotta get under under the iceberg.

>>13643203

As an autist myself, I'm not so sure that's the case. We certainly CAN comprehend abstraction, but it is usually not the first thing that comes to mind. That said, I love RTSs and games like Dungeon Keeper, so maybe it's just me.

>>13666049

>>13666070

I've made a mod that added in Angels from some guy's mod that adds in some Messiah bullshit as a playable civ for both fortress and Adventure mode, though I cannot say it is without its bugs. The fortress portion works fine, it's the towns and shit in adventure that seem to have issues. Compared to that, adding in primitive guns could probably be a cakewalk for me.

>>13666088

Top fucking kek where'd you find pic related?

>>13692918

Make a repeating work order using you manager.

>>13730602

To elaborate, set up a work order from the manager's menu (not the workshops) to cut gems. Set the number to 0 if you want it to be perpetual, then add a condition to it that will trigger the order to become active whenever you have rough gemstones.

>>13725793

It was a gulag fort

>>13734136

Source is

>http://www.bay12forums.com/smf//index.php?topic=140544.msg6970205#msg6970205

and

>https://archive.fo/zLG1N

by the way

<" What sorts of skills will be needed for magic? Or will that be combined with other skils depending on the myth generated and the magical task or item used.

"

>"We figured it would be a combination of existing skills and new, possibly procedural skills. For instance, a skillful dance might be used for some power, or it might depend on how well you (woodcraft) carve your wand, and then a new generated physical wand manipulation skill. Or you might need to… skillfully "Focus Your Goro", an entirely new skill and essence-type it generated for that universe."

Just like my japanese bukkakes.

>>13722657

>will you cast like you would when you aim a melee strike

I think one of the big parts of the magic system presentation was that "casting" itself wasn't hard coded, different creatures and cultures "cast" things in different ways, singing, breathing, so forth.

I'm kind of excited to see how much variety there actually is there.

I'm honestly excited but at the same time depressed because I know I will never be able to fully enjoy and/or exploit the magic system because even if I do play DF for a few days straight I'll forget about it two weeks later and have to learn it all over again

>>13735211

I can't wait for the files that let us add/remove which skills are chosen from the list for casting.

Butchering Cats to kill elves with summoned Chicken-demons is gonna be FUN.

>>13734136

It's not this update, and magic won't be done in one update. I'd say these are more end goal things. Toady still had to do a lot of stuff.

http://bay12games.com/dwarves/dev.html

>>13735242

It's just like reading. You might get in the flow with a book you like, but it takes someone who can read with intensity to get back into it after months of haitus right off the bat.

>>13736483

I know. I was talking about "this" as in "this update that's coming later". I kind of worded it wrong due to hype.

>>13666364

>i bet the evil hordes who want to destroy civilzation live here

>is right in israel

How do you assign specific items to specific dorfs? I have a really spiffy artifact cape and I want my King to have it someday.

Bumping with shit from the interview article, because why not bump with something to talk about?

<I want to go back to the magic system, because that's exciting to me and probably something you've been thinking about for a really long time. Do you have notebooks full of design ideas of your dream magic system that's been brewing for years and years?

>That's the thing, it's never been a dream system, it's been like a dream systematization of what the little nuts and bolts of magic are, so that we can glue them together however we want and surprise ourselves. It always comes back to surprising ourselves. We'd really, really like to have a system like roots, or something, growing into different parts of the game. So integrated that it feels like you're in an exciting and new place. That when they say things like 'oh this magic spell extracts a heavy cost in the future'—which is obviously from Conan the Barbarian movie, always come back to this stupid crap—but that it would actually do that. That if you're making these deals with spirits and stuff, you have made now a social relationship with an otherworldly being. Think of Christian witch theology, deals with the devil to get power, Faust bargain type stuff.

>Not just like in say an action-RPG where you're the witch character or whatever, and can curse people and it's like a leveled power you're getting that doesn't change anything about the fact that you have this relationship with some nefarious power, right? But what if you did? And what if they came down and visited sometimes and checked up on you and you could have a conversation in the conversation engine with them, and that was tied into how your magic powers worked? Or if you're one of these little forest spirits and you had to speak to the trees to do things with them? Or even those systems where a lumberjack has to apologize to certain trees that are inhabited by spirits?

>If that's just an integrated part of your game, and then you have your dwarves running around, and then they chop down the wrong tree and anger a spirit, that becomes not just a monster spawn, but a character in a game, that you interact with and then that chains into other magical implications.

>Magic should feel magical and mysterious, and not necessarily make perfect sense, not necessarily feel like it belongs but feel like it's a part of the setting.

It's just like, you get surprised in Dwarf Fortress the first time when you pour water and it comes up the end of the pipe because we have a pressure simulation. That's what magic should do. Magic should surprise you with how consistent and logical it actually is, but not because you're learning little rulebooks, but just because it feels like it belongs. I'm not sure pressure is immediately obvious to people, or a siphon. It's just kind of weird when you're just blowing into things and they shoot out the other end. It can make sense if you understood it, but certain things you're never going to be able to understand because they're supernatural. You can kind of get at the rules, and kind of not.

>These are sort of ideal situations. It's like trying to come up with, there are all these sorts of wizard games, right, where you're doing magical research in a tower or whatever, but you're just getting points. Master of Orion type thing, or Civilization tech tree, getting research points.

>But how do you actually model scientific research in a game, that makes it feel like you're experimenting, but it's not as boring as real science? [laughs] Where you have to sit there for six months and see if the two DNA gels have a different line. I worked in a genetics lab for a couple years, and hoo, shit. It's not super exciting. There's just a lot of 'run this 30 times, we're going to look at them, all right, the lines lined up, no outliers, do it again.' So if you get rid of all that stuff, what is the heart of the exciting part of the research? Can we get that and make it feel magical, so you could have some kind of wizard thing like that?

>I think this is all still the question where you asked about my dream magic system. It would be one where every system I've described is possible. Some of them might exist in the world, all of them might exist in the world, in which case they might be integrated with each other in subtle ways.

>Go back to the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe when Aslan's talking about the deep magic. That there's some underlying thing that could unify those systems and certain other rules. I know the whole thing is a substitute for Christianity, but you know what I mean. Ways to integrate things in layers below the surface. Some of those might not even be accessible to the player, but a lot of them would be over time. And wouldn't that be cool?

What's your favorite Dwarf Fortress' inspired game?

>>13745361

GURPS Fortress. The most autistic TRPG in existence.

>>13745374

*DF ripoff

>>13745374

>casualized DF that gives the original zero credit

Actually, on Steam there are several strategy games stating that they are originated from DF.

Maybe you should get your sperg checked out, and get back to >>>/reddit/

>>13745420

After the retarded boom of Minecunt, the insulting dog turd that was Gnomoria and the endless, inescapable shilling of Rim(job)world that's reached this very board, can you blame me for being a little bitter?

>>13745368

Where can I find this?

Been looking around and only get articles about GURPS itself.

>>13745757

It was a project me and a couple of half-chan anons worked on a year or two back on a Discord server. The basic idea was that we design the game around progression, similar to how Dwarf Fortress works. First you're a party of settlers surviving in the wilderness, then you're a figurehead leading a small town to success, dealing with day to day life of the fortress and perfecting your craft, Then you're a major leader and/or hero of the fortress who splits his time between fighting off massive invasions and forgotten beasts, and a government head who manages the local economy.

The project died a few months after it started, but I still have the document for it.

>>13722657

im guessing toady is gonna do some magicka shit where there are proc gen spells and runes

imagine hooking up speech to text in adventure mode and having your character shout out a bunch of syllablss

>>13745893

*and having that cause a thermonuclear explosion

>>13643543

crops need to be under ground. I just saved you 6 hours go forth and conquer. only thing not in ui.

>>13643543

kill your cats.

>>13661738

he is planning to die with the game un finished. that is his goal

>>13663595

>>Statues are erected in honor of him

legendary engraver was my favorite part of this game. The stories were actually good. and smiley faces everywhere made me feel good.

>>13663661

2011 for me. Downloading on my i7 chipset right now tomorrow is already gone. i can feel it

>>13749452

What?

>>13751408

Last time I played was in 2011 on a laptop and FPS death was brutal. Since then I built this dope tower with intels I7 chip. I can't wait…but I actually will, this artifact update isn't out yet huh?

>>13753152

I got so excited when I read

>3 days

earlier in the thread. you can send your dwarfs off on quests?!!! FUCK YEAH TOADYYY!

>>13753328

It was supposed to come out in October, but it seems he couldn't make it in time. He posted saying he has 4 more things to do, but who knows how long that will take.

My name is Chaw Skunkjaws, the demigod elf biter who dual wields shields.

>>13753434

classic!

>>13753450

God damn it the game crashed after a few hours of play.

I feel like never playing it again but I know I'm lying to myself.

>four issues

>nine days

>maybe more

damn it Toady I need the stuff man

Here's a story about how to fuck up at the very beginning.

>start a Koopa fortress

>embark in badlands, no trees and forgot to bring wood

>make a beeline for the cavern layer to get some mushroom wood

>pack of sidesteppers underground make their way up into the fort, start pinching the shit out of my koopas

>eventually they're dealt with thanks to the pair of chomps I embarked with, but a koopa ended up dead

>5 of the 6 survivors can't move thanks to leg injuries

>the sole able-bodied koopa is tasked with bringing water to the others

>they eventually recover, but one of them, a miner, takes an especially long time

>the moment he's able to walk again, he goes stark raving mad and soon starves to death

The fort did get back up and running afterwards but talk about a fucked start.

Chaw Skunkjaws died. I made a dwarf biter named Kuk Netroared.

It turns out that once you bite and latch, shaking the body part around only takes 1 to 2 ticks (seems to vary, might depend on skill and stats) which means biting is weaker than weapons but you can attack more and fit extra hits inbetween enemy attacks. Also does more damage than wrestling because wrestling grabs deal no damage and bites do, while in my experience shaking around is also better than pinching or gouging. On top of that with 2 shields I have more defense than a wrestler, because wrestlers require a free hand. I'm trying to see if attacks can be interrupted with bite latches but normally the enemy hits before the bite lands so at least I know it's not viable if it's possible.

I also started carrying body parts of fallen enemies in my mouth, it's very convenient for throwing. You can only carry one thing because whatever is in your mouth falls off on the next bite.

If you're a biter you do need something more, because you can't always land bites. I use punches, coins (thrown) and a spear (sometimes thrown).

Here are some achievements of my biter:

>Bit a cyclops in the eye

>Knocked out a peasant with a bite to the head

>Bit a few zombie ravens to death

>Spilled someone's guts through leather armor with a bite, bit off their guts, threw their guts back at them

>>13763752

What about unarmed damage? Can you grind Striker until you reach Kenshiro level and pulp people's heads with a single punch?

>>13764426

Change his profession name to berseker, he deserves it.

>>13767223

Look at the bright side now you lost a few urists of weight.

>>13767233

Time to look for a werecreature then.

>>13767233

I believe yellow function loss heals eventually. It's Cyan and Red that are really bad.

>>13767313

Red wounds become scars, but you lose no function unless an internal organ, the eyes, spine or a tendon is damaged. For instance the right ankle on my current adventure character was shattered (red wound) but I lost no function.

I don't know what cyan ones are exactly but I know not everything can get them.

>>13767342

I think the wiki says red is when the wound fucks up the part so bad it looks like hamburger.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Wound

Cyan is functional loss but the part is still intact.

>>13767378

fuck uploaded the images in the wrong fucking order

>>13767358

I think the wiki is wrong then.

I have no sort of function loss on my ankle that had the bones shattered, and the scar is yellow. I've had tendons or nerves damaged in the past and that definitely causes permanent function loss, nerve damage even makes you feel less pain.

Also Kuk Netroared died by being frozen in the ocean while grinding swimmer skill, fuck.

>>13767391

It looks like the health page uses a different color code than the body parts page, because the guy's arm is cut off but the function loss is in yellow.

It seems like mangled parts to heal but they don't completely heal, like you said, I just tested it out.

>>13767484

He flies away from the fight, failing to find anymore goblins.

—

Alright, this wasn't as interesting as I thought, so I'll retire the character for now and play a bit tommorow if I have the energy/time.

>>13767494

I wonder if the wrestling subsystem will get an update to let you control where you throw people once you're in control of the grapple. Pitching goblins off cliffs and shit would be a riot.

>>13769120

Probably, it's a very needed missing thing

>>13767494

You went for strong foes too quick. Should've holocausted some farmers and stolen armor from a keep.

Do I always get the curse if it says "You feel horrible."?

I ask because I had that message appear when a mummy came rushing into the room I was in but I noticed the (!!)s in the next room and walked away, and I swear my companion was closer when it opened the door and the message appeared. My companion even got attacked first, the mummy ripped off his arm and he ran away, then the mummy came after me.

I went back to the nearest town, grabbed a cat and let it hit me a bunch and all of its hits glanced off my armor except for one which knocked a tooth out, which is reasonable but I'm still not sure.

>>13753131

>Since then I built this dope tower with intels I7 chip

Which isn't going to improve anything for DF since the game doesn't have multithreading. I7 architecture just has hyperthreading as opposed to i5, and more cores than i3. And a bit more cache I guess, but not per core so it doesn't really change anything.

>>13771439

Speaking of that I wonder how much compiler optimizations matter for the game.

For instance I've been playing dwarf fortress all this while on a 64-bit sempron 2600+ 1.65ghz with 1GB 400mhz ddr1 (no idea what the latencies are) + some random 40GB hard drive, it has an integrated gpu but it can't do hardware acceleration under linux even with the official drivers. I first compiled it with gcc 6.4.0 and the cflags were "-o2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-stack-protector" but now that you mentined cpu cache size I'm building with gcc 6.4.0 and "-o0 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-stack-protector -flto=1". The linker is gold, it's not specified on the compiler flags because it's the default for me.

I also run the game on text mode without an X server.

>>13771679

I mean -Os not -O0

>>13776133

Any idea when we'll be able to make readable signs in Fort mode, rather than rely on pictograms and shit? Also, how do you assign non-building items to specific dorfs?

UPDATE SOON!!!! FUCK ME IN MY BUTT TOADY YEAH!!!!!

>>13776382

You can leave notes around and read them. I use those a lot on my lever room for instance.

>>13776745

Yeah, but you can't read those when you drop by your fort on Adventurer mode. Or can you?

>>13776801

I want to say you can….

>>13771679

I went through this stuff once trying to optimize for a work laptop. didn't really matter.

5/7

"Down to two now! The various remaining artifact issues were uneventful. Now the main thing left to do is handling all this companions-during-infiltration business, the issue being that a goblin might address one of your companions instead of you, due to line-of-sight, etc., and your buddy needs to be able to pipe up intelligently to save all your lives. Might take some days due to the various various ways it can All Go Wrong.

Then finally some bugs I promised to do before the release. Normally, we do bug-fixing for a while afterward (and of course we'll still do that), but e.g. dwarves being stuck in trees and broken undead tissues managed to get to the pre-release promise list, in some discussion or other. So we'll see how that goes after the companion identity stuff is handled. Then we should be ready!"