5b2af3 No.13563280
>Finally unlock all COs
>Sturm and Nell both suck
>Had to beat the game 3 times just to get them
Great game otherwise, what should I expect with the sequel?
6fb2b1 No.13563288
More of the same but better.
37fb33 No.13563321
Better but way easier as far as I remember.
6773d8 No.13563334
>>13563280
The sequel improves on the original in most ways, although the hard campaign isn't as difficult as the original was, which is a bit of a disappointment. AC Rivals and AC Kanbei's error can still go eat a dick, however. I don't miss them in the slightest.
5b2af3 No.13563428
>>13563321
>>13563288
Nice. Anyone got that chart that says what person you are depending on what CO you used?
>>13563334
>AC Rivals
I don't wanna remember that. I used the map design glitch to get out of it. I was on it for a week and just wanted to move on. Kanbei's Error wasn't that hard for me.
>>13563393
>Cowboy hat removed in localization
5cf812 No.13563453
>>13563393
the ones on the right look better
6773d8 No.13563469
>>13563393
Not trying to justify it or anything, but I can't help but feel pretty apathetic with regards to these changes. Compared to what we have now for "localizations", these feel tame and moderate in comparison. I may just be jaded. I definitely would've preferred the cowboy hat, though.
You also forgot to mention that Orange Star originally used to be Red Star in the japanese version, but was changed to Orange Star for US audiences due to communism.
>>13563428
a356aa No.13563470
>>13563393
>removing santa
>removing cowboy hat
>removing pirate
I don't understand. The rest you could at least make a paper thin excuse for "cultural differences", but why remove what is already western or at least translates fine?
5b2af3 No.13563478
>>13563453
They do honestly. They make more sense in a modern military setting, as fun as the Santa Hat is. Cowboy hat should have stayed though.
>>13563469
Bueno
a978df No.13563487
>tfw no new Advance Wars with waifu dating like in newer Fire Emblem games
>tfw no redhead, short-haired tomboy tank mechanic waifu all covered in grease
>tfw no busty, blonde medic waifu pushing her breasts against your body while she's hunched over bandaging your arm
>tfw no nerdy, glasses-wearing shy pilot waifu
a356aa No.13563494
>>13563487
>tfw no new Advance Wars with waifu dating like in newer Fire Emblem games
Looking at modern fire emblem, and its fan base, I'm totally ok with not having that.
a978df No.13563519
>>13563494
Awakening was pretty good. Didn't play the 3 that came after.
Also
>judging a game's quality by it's fanbase
All game series fanbases turn to shit after it hits a certain threshold. It's an absolute. You may as well write off all games since they have the potential to spur shitty fanbases.
Remember when most of /v/ were Kojima fanboys and simply being one went unquestioned?
And now everyone shits on the passing Kojima fanboy.
Things change.
5b2af3 No.13563551
>>13563487
>Watered down shite and normalfag exposure in exchange for waifu shit
You don't want this
>>13563494
This basically. Fujiofags and other variety of scum can and will ruin your enjoyment, if only because playing the game will make you associate yourself with them
>>13563519
>Awakening was pretty good
5cf812 No.13563554
>>13563519
>Awakening was pretty good.
a978df No.13563564
>>13563551
>>13563554
>the fanbase is shit, so therefore I have to hate the game even though it's objectively a well made game
5b2af3 No.13563576
>>13563564
>objectively a well made game
I'm choosing to ignore this because I don't want to stray off topic
Anyways, what was the beef with Days of Ruin?
a978df No.13563580
>>13563576
It's not really off-topic, since it is in the same family as AW.
Go on and tell me. Why is Awakening such a shit game in your opinion.
6773d8 No.13563673
>>13563576
On an aesthetic level, it alienated a large chunk of fans just from being such a wild change from the prior entries. The once cartoony, colorful artstyle turned significantly more muted and tried to be grounded and realistic. None of the characters from any of the prior entries in the series showed up, either. On a content level, the campaign was fairly easy and a hard mode just straight-up didn't exist. While the advance wars series DID get progressively easier with each successive incarnation, not having a hardmode campaign is jarring, to say the least.
Apart from that, however, the gameplay itself was fine. In fact, it had what was more or less the most balanced gameplay in the series. The mech spam tactic (and other really quantity-heavy tactics) was nerfed by virtue of unit levels, so throwing heaps of garbage at enemy units to die made enemy units stronger as a result. The whole CO system was more or less completely overhauled, to boot. I won't go into detail on the changes but it definitely allowed more room for strategic choice. There was a real incentive to sit on a full CO meter instead of using it as soon as you get it, there was also risk to sitting on that full CO meter as well, and additionally, CO powers largely stopped giving straight up attack/defense boosts (with one notable exception). Lots of changes happened and if you ask me it was overall for the better.
What's even more baffling is that Days of Ruin didn't even sell that poorly. The original Advance Wars sold ~700k copies. Advance Wars 2 sold ~650k copies. Dual Strike sold ~390k copies, but Days of Ruin was able to salvage that and sell ~610k copies, which is still certainly respectable, especially compared to Dual Strike. Yet in spite of this, we never got any future installments. It would have made a lot more sense had the series ended at Dual Strike, but it didn't, and Days of Ruin sold significantly better. I can't think of any particular reason why the series would stop there.
31276e No.13563765
>>13563580
Not him, but
>Map design is practically all "wide fields" without creative terrain. The final non-DLC map (the one with Priam) exemplifies this
>No alternative objectives like Defend or Escape, all maps are Kill all enemies or Defeat Boss
>Supports for main-game recruited characters are mostly lacklustre due to the inherent quantity over quality problem of needing the child units to have any parent, while the bonus characters have the opposite problem of only being able to support with the self-insert
>Said bonus characters are people who were supposed to die, voiding the impact of their deaths (I.E: Emmeryn)
>Child Units are horribly broken
>Grinding
>Grima is such a generic villain that the game's second half really should have just been the Walhart arc
>DLC fuckery, but what else is new with nu-FE
There's probably more I could say, but it's been a long-ass time since I bothered to play it again.
c47a34 No.13563806
>>13563469
Friendly reminder this was made by an Adder-fag
c47a34 No.13563820
>>13563580
Waifufaggotry should be enough reason for you not to bother playing this game but
>Child units are OP
>grinding
>Started DLC jewry for the 3DS
>Bonus characters ruin lore
>every single map is kill all enemies/boss no "survive" or "escape" or "hold this terrain"
>map design is boring shit
>characters are anime tier shit compared to previous fire emblems
Awakening and Fates are shit. Echoes is only good because its really good as a remake, respecting the old game.
8b7266 No.13563835
>>13563519
>Awakening was pretty good
>>13563765
Oh I can
>Assassin and Sorceror is broken to the point where any unit that cannot become one is essentially shit
>Supports and Pair ups are beyond broken, shit like 10+ attack if you give both units brave weapons in addition to a decent 40% chance to block any incoming attack
>The plot is basically "But there's a bigger villain around the corner!"
>Adult characters are just one joke rides with little depth so it can fit with whatever child they have
>Children's personalities are straight from tumblr
>Act 2, reinforcements bogaloo
>Vantage is broken
>Vengeance is broken unless you're…
>Lon'qu!Severa with DLC skills and using Sol for that yuge 60+% chance of Sol
>Lunatic is just RNG
7b4389 No.13563891
>>13563288
More of the same but the AI doesn't have an APC-murdering fetish
5b2af3 No.13564057
>>13563580
It's been awhile since I last played it so I can't go full autismo, but the issues I remember distinctly were:
>Class/Character designs ranging from alright to toilet knights
>Level design is very bare for most of the game, a lot of maps just being open fields with the goal either being route or kill boss: route being the one that's used the most, and being the most boring because it's just a matter of pressing start and having the enemy throw itself against your units, who are usually overpowered so it requires next to no thought.
>Difficulty might as well be either effortless or pure RNG fuckery
>Story is okay for one part and then goes fucking nowhere. The second arc is just pointless faffing about in Valentia that does nothing but establish that the events of Gaiden may as well have not happened, third arc is when the game remembers the whole grima shit and rushes you to an ending that kind of comes out of nowhere
>All throughout this shit the MU is usually being jacked off in favor of letting Chrom get any sort spotlight. One example of this is in chapter 14, where MU says to set fire to half the fleet and have crash into the opposing army to defeat it. What did this achieve? Where did we get the oil to do this? How was every one of the ships conveniently half full? Was there even a point to the level that happened before hand? If the opposing force got decimated, why not send an envoy or something asking for terms of surrender and then sail to Roseanne?
>You also get prompted to make a choice every once in a while, these choices do fuck all and make you wonder why they were there in the first place.
>Also in chapter 14, Lucina explains that the attempts on Chrom's life that she halted wouldn't have actually killed him, but affected him later on. This doesn't explain how it would have actually affected him, since he's always gonna get killed by MU in the end. She then says that someone close to him would have done him in, right before MU spazez out because fuck subtly.
>The time traveling kids are poorly done, in that they join up with you and are even more broken than your normal units. Their flaw is that they're all Est-type units, thus making you grind need to grind in order to use the other half of the cast.
>Everything about the DLC. The packs themselves, the past character cards, it's all just awful.
>Pair up further cripples whatever difficulty the game may have had.
That was a lot longer than I intended, and didn't even cover everything, but that's the gist of it.
>>13563765
>>13563820
>>13563835
These as well. but
>characters are anime tier shit compared to previous fire emblems
In it's defense, FE has always had anime-ish characters. They just weren't as intrusive, and you only notice here because of the inflated amount of supports.
>>13563806
Who is this Adder-fag?
d63cf0 No.13564088
>>13563280
>nell and sturm both suck
I guess you meant they're the cheapest in the game but okay, there's always Hachi
>Great game otherwise, what should I expect with the sequel?
I don't want Nu-tendo and Unintelligent Systems to develop another one. Unless it's completely different and made by another company, I'm glad the series is dead. Customized fanmakes are utter cancer filled with original the characters anyhow.
>>13563393
I guess whoever was working at NoA told the developers that the American audience was more into nitty gritty action and had the designs changed to fit the military themes better. Honestly though? I think that the more "standard" versions of the characters feel much more iconic than "lol arr Im a pirate". The only ones I don't really understand are Sonya's palette swap and loss of glasses and Nell's changed uniform, but the latter could be interpreted as IS trying to make it less lewd.
>>13563428
>Cowboy hat removed in localization
I believe their reasoning was that Grit is commanding Blue Moon, a Not Russians faction. Each of their units don a Soviet Pilotka hat, so even if he was still from Not America it'd make little sense for him to wear an outfit not commissioned by the Not USSR. Funny thing is that Olaf still has a white beard in the Jap version of all games.
>>13563469
So glad someone saved my OC.
>Compared to what we have now for "localizations", these feel tame and moderate in comparison.
The thing is that, today, localizing means "putting unnecessary political discourse and memes and flat out removing features" rather than "changing a Romance of the Three Kingdoms reference to a Tolkien one". Plus you got to keep in mind that back then the Western audiences were at least much more indifferent towards these changes because of how insular the Eastern market was. Nowadays people actually do give a shit about keeping the games intact AND have the ability to immediately double check if things were changed for the worst.
>I definitely would've preferred the cowboy hat, though.
See, they had a good idea in AWDS with the alternate costumes and palettes, but they squandered it when it would have been best used.
>>13563487
Don't tempt the fucking Monkey's Paw you monster
>>13563806
I actually used to main Sensei.
>>13564057
>toilet knights
Nice
Special thanks go to the drawfag who made this for me, you're the real MVP
5b2af3 No.13564123
>>13564088
>I don't want Nu-tendo and Unintelligent Systems to develop another one. Unless it's completely different and made by another company, I'm glad the series is dead. Customized fanmakes are utter cancer filled with original the characters anyhow.
But I agreed with this, I was talking about Black Hole Rising.
>Cowboy hat
Yeah I guess it makes more sense, I just like it more for style.
37fb33 No.13564140
>>13563393
The weird part about this is that the altered versions actually released first because AW1 was pushed back in Japan for nearly 3 years. Sources say it was 9/11 that did it but I don't believe that.
57cc82 No.13564519
Has anyone here tried the older titles? (Famicom, game boy wars, etc.)
67aebd No.13564526
>>13564519
They all suck. The most playable one of the bunch is Super, but you're really not missing anything besides a handful of cutesy aesthetic things.
9ad436 No.13564557
>>13564526
That's a shame, I might still check them out out of curiosity though.
Was Battalion Wars good at least?
2bc9bc No.13564567
>>13564557
Battalion Wars is an entirely different genre of game and it sucks to boot.
3549ba No.13564668
>>13563393
They seem to have a weird obsession with making arbitrary regional changes to AW games.
https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Advance_Wars:_Days_of_Ruin/Regional_Differences
5b2af3 No.13564670
http://archive.is/OwpGr
>Man found guilty of stabbing fellow gamer 86 times
You guys hear about this shit?
5b2af3 No.13565151
>Start AW2
>Green Earth is suddenly to the right of Yellow Comet instead of bellow Blue Moon
O-okay
0f64a9 No.13565218
>>13565151
Different continent from AW1, pal.
6d4c73 No.13565495
>>13564088
Nell's sleeves look more "professional". Still no idea why Sonya lost her glasses.
2ee445 No.13565542
>>13564668
>>13563470
>>13563428
The more they change
The more they charge
87536e No.13565562
>>13564557
It is a love it or hate it kind of game. I couldn't stand it personally.
>>13563393
I like the changes for once. These actually make sense. Only ones I take issue with were the removal of the cowboy hat and the removal of glasses. Not sure why those bits in particular had to go.
5b2af3 No.13565596
>>13565218
I don't understand, it seems to take place in the same place as the first one.
0f64a9 No.13565639
>>13565596
Nope. I don't remember exactly but AW1 took place in Macroland meanwhile AW2 takes place in a different continent a couple years later. Same with AW:DS, they just look a bit similar. I think you can get the name for it in the intro if you actually read the newspapers and the flashing text.
a53282 No.13565672
>>13563393
An issue with the Japanese Advance Wars version was supposed to come out either on the same day for NA (Sep 10th 2001) or October 10th but 9/11 happened so they Japanese release didn't happen until 2004. So could NA be the original version or the Japanese version?
The biggest difference with the changes is the NA version characters look more serious in design even though AW is basically a light-hearted take on war. The NA Nell looks like a serious instructor while the JP version uniform just looks off, like is she going to an causal office party after the battle is over or something?
Grit's cowboy hat removal is strange because with the outfit and revolver he looks like a cowboy but his skill set is long range weapons. Seems surprising they didn't give a rifle with a big scope.
3549ba No.13565690
>>13565672
They made the characters more fun and less warlike because everyone was feeling a little down on war at the time? I can see it.
d63cf0 No.13566318
>>13564519
Nope but from what I saw, Super Famicom Wars has one of the weirdest, most boring ideas in all of Nintendo Wars' history, namely the fact that you can't build troops outside of your starting bases and all the captured ones are just for refilling your health. Also you have simultaneous counters, so attacking is pretty much useless and it's all about either overpowering the enemy or simply positioning your troops in a way that the CPU can't get around without attacking.
>>13564526
And Hetler, of course. Can't forget about the Not Fuhrer.
>>13564557
Some people adore it because it's babby's first RTS with no RTS features but still really good at what it does, but some other hate it because it's got nothing to do with AW and characters talk constantly throughout it.
>>13564670
>Heiss had become obsessedwith Pyke's girlfriend, Joanna Witton, who was also an online gamer.
lol
Also to be honest I've done worse things in this game and other ones that would have totally warranted at least 87 stabs or more, like abusing Sensei's COP to swarm the field with infantry while my opponent grew paranoid of moving in FoW and getting trapped by a 9hp unit constantly.
>>13565151
Three AW games, three different continents.
d63cf0 No.13575694
5b2af3 No.13575767
>>13566318
>Grit's super in 2 is his normal attack in 1
The man couldn't be stopped.
>Three AW games, three different continents.
I still don't really understand why they change continents, but I guess it's better to not think about it.
>>13564088
>I guess you meant they're the cheapest in the game but okay, there's always Hachi
To clarify, I was talking about AW1 Nell.
5b055e No.13576244
>>13564519
They're designed for console so they take long, like hours to complete as opposed to 5-30 minutes like AW.
They're also bareboens in comparison to other Turn Based Tactical Strategy games like Front Mission.
d63cf0 No.13577155
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>>13575767
Grit's only counter is characters like Sensei, Colin or Hachi, since they can just field more units than what Grit can possibly destroy in one turn. And trust me, mech spam with the right CO really turns his day sour, I've done it both in local multi and solo. His Rockets are the only ones in the whole game to be any useful, why did IS think that unit was any good in the first place?
And the only reason why they change continents is to make sure that for one you don't have to play on the same maps as in the previous game and on the other hand it's a convenient excuse to make sure not every CO is available from the start. I.E. in AWDS Max is the only Orange Star CO returning in the beginning of the story mode because the other ones are busy rebuilding Macro Land from AW2.
>To clarify, I was talking about AW1 Nell.
Alright, that's completely different then. To clarify, in AW2 at least (but I suspect AW1 is just the same engine with less dolling up), defense works completely different from offense: offensive bonuses are percentage based, while defensive bonuses are additive. Because of this, a CO like Kanbei is fucking broken in the right scenario, because he simply cannot be damaged if you allow him to sit on highly defendable chokes. Campaign Sturm and Versus Sturm are two completely different characters and the latter would technically win out against the former, but the problem is that his CO power is such a gimped version of his campaign counterpart and his damage is so minimal that it's just not even worth using him for challenge runs, also his defence boost is just 20% instead of matching the 30% offense boost of the campaign version. Nell on the other hand I believe doesn't necessarily get that much higher luck during her CO power in AW1, as much as negate the effects of bad luck.
d63cf0 No.13577173
>>13577155
Oh yeah also the tactic in the vid also works for Lash. Part of why Sonja is so much higher in AWDS' tiers is because she can actually negate these defensive bonuses and she comes in handy especially on 2 v 2 maps.
7c33e7 No.13577221
I actually played all the tutorials before realising I only had to play the last one to play the campaign.
ebcd39 No.13577256
Tell me a CO superior to Flak.
Pro tip: you can't.
d63cf0 No.13577460
>>13577221
I guess they made it a way for experienced players to avoid having to redo the tutorial missions and still introduce the Advisor character.
Also a quick suggestion before you lose your temper trying to S rank missions, the game expects you to play extremely conservatively, just like the AI would do, trying to keep your units alive at all costs and taking no unnecessary risk as well as taking your time in finishing the mission by routing the enemy.
Don't.
HQ captures are four out of five times better than hunting down every single enemy unit, you do not need to keep everyone alive, just as many as 3/4s of your units, and use APCs and Landers as bait aggressively as much as possible (the game even flat out tells you the AI is retarded and will go for them).
>>13577256
He's a fucking wild card because no one expects you to pick him up and play seriously. I've had times where his SCOP alone would make 2 v 2 matches one-sided curbstomp battles.
aec9fd No.13577536
I only played the first AW and Days of ruin, but AFAICT, they just progressively stuffed everything with OP shenanigans until Days of Ruin nerfed the whole concept of COs. I like it better because you have to earn the boosts, and because you can actually fight back against them instead of just hoping you can trigger your power first. to leave you opponent with nothing to use their power on.
d63cf0 No.13578021
>>13577536
FTA (First Turn Advantage for those who're not in the know) is actually a huge issue with all the versions of AW. Getting the powers faster because you just rolled in first was a huge problem that had to be dealt with in the competitive and online scene, yet IS never figured it out and decided to just strip everyone of their shiny toys. Days of Ruin is ironically more accurate to the gameplay style of older Nintendo Wars titles, where keeping an unit alive was actually beneficial and where you had to pick and choose your battles rather than use a grander strategy, but a good chunk of folks (me included) absolutely hate its tone because it destroyed what kept older titles so fresh compared to other war games.
Pros of AWDoR:
>ONLINE THAT ACTUALLY WORKS
>The most balanced game in the whole series (barring two broken COs)
>At least 90% of the units actually useful in most situations
>Promotion system lifted from Super Famicom Wars rewards choosing the right battles
>Unit costs at least adequate to their usefulness (infantryspam is still a thing but can be mitigated)
>Unlocking stuff feels more rewarding than in other titles
Cons:
<Graphics look godawful. The realistic style used just makes everything vague shades of color painted onto brown and gray environments, sprites are just downscaled jpegs and the two zooming modes just make things more confusing. Add to that the extremely uninspired naming conventions for units and the way all tanks look pretty much the same, and that there's no faction-specific units.
<CO selection is abysmal, so most strategies are built around the map instead of a combination of both
<CO powers do fuckall compared to older games, but even if they're not broken they hardly change the tides of the battle most of the time
<Having a CO Unit with a certain range of influence basically means babysitting a slow moving target while creating stacks of units to repair it instead of centering your strategies on outmaneuvering the enemy
<muh story focus is absolutely terrible, the plot was never of any importance to the series and it shows
<character designs are all over the place, half of them look like they were drawn by a western comic book author while the rest are just animesque that were probably filled in by some intern
<While Caulder's justifiably strong because of his role in the story, Tabitha is insufferably good
<While the music ranges from okay to awesome, WHO THE FUCK WAS IN CHARGE OF COMPRESSING IT HOLY SHIT
<Difficulty is all over the place, while in older AWs the game would exponentially arch upwards only 2/3rds into the story, DoR chooses to make battles as confusingly difficult or easy as possible. Case in point, the final mission against Caulder looks like a crazier Final Front, but it's so piss easy to bait the AI and the enemy's weapons and there's so many bases that you can clear it much more easily than intended
All in all, DoR does away with all the bullshit from older AWs but utterly destroys its charm in the process. The only characters that I actually liked from the game are Fat Hitler and Fat Morgan Freeman.
AW2 is the peak of the series in terms of fun, to me. AW2 > AW1 > AWDS > DoR >>>>>> SFW.
37fb33 No.13578036
Anyone played any of the Nectaris/Military Madness series? How do they measure up?
2a8819 No.13578068
>>13565639
It's the other way around: AW1 takes place in Cosmo Land, AW2 takes place in Macro Land. Dual Strike is, I honestly forget, Omega Land?
5113b6 No.13578103
>>13577155
webming it and saving it as "The jew fear the samurai"
5113b6 No.13578120
Also I still cant believe stuff like fightcade or online gamecube emulation exists but gba netplay doesnt
7db2d7 No.13578129
Never heard of this gritty looking Days of Ruin before? Is it any good? I've played first game, Black Moon Rising (?) and the first DS game.
67aebd No.13578171
>>13578021
>the game that encourages attacking is ironically the most like the ones that literally never encourage attacking
>CO choice/powers don't matter in DoR but they mattered in AW2
>Tabitha is good
>AW1 through DS had stable difficulty curves
d63cf0 No.13578291
>>13578171
>the game that encourages attacking is ironically the most like the ones that literally never encourage attacking
I don't follow
>CO choice/powers don't matter in DoR but they mattered in AW2
Well, it's not that they don't matter in DoR but their significance is immensely minor compared to other entries, plus they are not as critical to actually win the game.
In AW2 they really did matter. If you're playing on a map with a lot of chokes, assuming that all the broken COs are banned, you'll pick Lash or Kanbei or Grit 9 out of 10 times. If there's lots of scattered terrain, Sami and Sensei are immediate picks because of their +1 to transports. If there's a lot of open areas, Adder or Max can destroy everything etc.
>tabitha
Her starting unit is Fucking Invincible and things go worse from there onward
Also, the difficulty curve varies a bit between games: in AW1 the game doesn't get hard until you reach Green Earth or alternatively Sonya's missions, the final ones take much more time to complete compared to the earlier ones. In AW2 Yellow Comet has definitely the most trying missions with GE offering a breather once in a while. In DS the moment Ooze is introduced you have to start making critical decisions surrounding which unit gets to live and unless you know the enemy layout you're going to have a rough time. Obviously DS is the easiest in the series because of the god damned dual strike, but they still attempt at making missions progressively harder.
>>13578120
>online gamecube emulation exists
Are you japing me my man? Where to?
>>13578103
Nice.
3549ba No.13578312
>>13578129
It's a perfectly good AW game. Not everyone's a fan of the darker style. I think it's fine, though I prefer colourful AW.
5113b6 No.13578542
>>13578291
>Are you japing me my man? Where to?
Dunno, I know people has been playing melee online for a while now so try that
5b2af3 No.13578569
>Can't play online matches because nutendo shut the wi-fi down
>Brother is reluctant to play because he's not into strategy games
>Friend that would be down to play lives hours away
I just want to play against a person
ebcd39 No.13578657
>>13578569
>mfw same as you but without a friend interested in strategy vidya
ebcd39 No.13578673
>tfw no new AW or good clone NEVER EVER
>cucklefish is making groove wars, attracting tumblr newfags to the genre
I want to fucking die.
37fb33 No.13578692
>>13578673
As long as the game does have waifus to subvert I don't see it having much lasting power on tumblr.
ebcd39 No.13578705
>>13578692
The game has a tumblr aesthetic (red noses) that I just can't stand. Also, cities are not terrains, you have to "attack" them and you can't really be on them unless you capture them, at least for what was seen on the tutorial.
37fb33 No.13578712
634293 No.13578729
>>13578673
>tfw tried to get friends into this
>nobody finished the battles that lasted more than an afternoon
>noone got hooked
ebcd39 No.13578751
>>13578729
>not saving and playing the next day
Still, you should have got them into this gradually. You should begin with small, simple and quick maps, and then get into the bigger stuff later. Bonus points if you can get them into this enough for them to play a tournament.
3549ba No.13579043
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>>13578673
There's this thing. No idea if it's any good.
5113b6 No.13579719
>>13579043
oh yeah, that's being made by some AW big name right? Hopefully it's good
d63cf0 No.13579847
>>13578569
I recall there being a workaround for playing Nintendo Wi Fi games but it requires all players to know what they're doing and it worked with dolphin, not sure if it can be done with ds titles as well.
>>13578673
Fangames are cancerous though, so I'm glad we still don't have one. I just wish we could play on something better than fucking Advance Wars By Web, whoever coded that thing used the worst possible way to organize matches.
>>13578729
What are your favorite game modes, lads? I loved playing for captures, since it actually gave you an objective that wasn't routing or hq capture.
>>13579043
I really hope they find a way around mech spam, honestly. Part of me wished there was a "reserves" system, where if you bought more than x of a certain unit, their cost would start going up by x% per every purchase unless they either died or some other criteria was met.
2f7dc8 No.13580186
>>13579847
>Game mode
Definitely capture.
>Mech Spam
Maybe have a set amount of units types that you can buy? Your idea sounds better though, its offer more freedom and give money a use later on in the map.
67aebd No.13580570
>>13578291
>I don't follow
All right.
DoR and Famicom Wars are about as different as can be. The whole Wars series fits rather neatly on a spectrum where aggressive play becomes less and less viable the further back you go. In the first four games, tanks, helicopters, and other non-soldier directs are so fundamentally inept that you never build them, and the infantry/indirect stalemates forever. AW1 then fixes damage calc to give directs a purpose, but unless Max (who auto-wins against every other CO) is allowed, defensive play usually still wins. AW2 adds supers, which gives every CO at least one turn where they can attempt to make a decisive play, but they're expensive, and the doldrums leading up to one typically last multiple in-game weeks. Dual Strike ramps up the rate powers charge at by 300-400%, and introduces a useful expensive unit in the black bomb, which completely ruins indirect walls if a game lasts long enough for one to appear. It also added dual strikes, which are technically pro-offense even if they completely fucked everything else up.
So then DoR comes out, and instead of feeding into the inflationary spiral of 2 and DS, they re-write the damage formula again so you can make bigger plays with smaller numbers. Bland infantry on cities are no longer invincible. Defense bonuses are no longer twice as powerful as offense bonuses. High cost units like heavy tanks and bombers can pull their weight by more reliably one-shotting smaller units. Instead of waiting for a super power, you can deploy a hero unit and start building advantage with it anytime; at the absolute worst it'll have +30/+30, which is just enough for a tank or chopper to one-shot a +0 defense infantry.
>keeping a unit alive is actually beneficial
This is true in every game. It's better to have more units than less units. Throwing away your 3HP tank as a suicide/shield means you have one less tank than the player who sent theirs back for repairs.
>CO selection is abysmal, so most strategies are built around the map instead of a combination of both
This is fundamentally wrong unless you cherry pick both sides (Penny and Greyfield vs. Max and Grit, for example). The majority of Wars World CO's handle identically, with army compositions that are 90% infantry and a smattering of small tanks, artillery, copters, and anti-air. The only outliers here are Max (no arty), Grit (no copters/tanks), and the money CO's. Anything lesser isn't really relevant. Drake's nerfed copters, for example, are more than adequate for their primary job of harassing infantry, and they still win against other copters if they attack first. On the flip side, Eagle's boost isn't nearly enough to warrant building more air units than anybody else. There's a lot more variation in how DoR CO's operate, even if you can boil most of them down to X likes more Y.
>assuming that all the broken COs are banned, you'll pick Lash or Kanbei or Grit
But Kanbei and Grit are broken. And Sensei. And Sami is number seven, directly behind the broken six. Likewise, Adder is always bad, and Max is only mid-tier when he's in his element.
>tabitha
Ninth of twelve, bottom of fair. 180 defense in DoR is equivalent to about 145 defense in AW2, which is pretty scary on paper, but she struggles regardless because all the rest of her forces are 100/100 garbage.
>>13578569
AWBW is a thing. Or you can point a modded DoR rom to some homebrew WFC servers. Or you can share one instance of an emulator over any screen-sharing program.
FreeWars is a new alternative that's kind of a mish-mash of AWBW and DoR.
ebcd39 No.13580627
>>13579847
Days of Ruin used the promotion feature so spammers would get punished by leveling up enemy units. In order to make the game leds about spamming and more about some tactics, you would need to bring back a unit that many hated, the Blackboat. With it, you can make your units hold on a bit more to those spammers. Healing big stuff is more efficient that small cheap units, so spammers can't use it in their favor. It also makes naval warfare more important in the game.
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e588ef No.13582797
>>13563393
Actually, the censorship was the other way around. AW came out in US before Japan.
d63cf0 No.13583230
>>13580570
>SFW
I have a hard time understanding the various gameplay decisions for this one. I don't even get what the overall goal is. Also, you're meant to restock at bases pretty much constantly, so it's not really about playing defensively (since you really can't, if the enemy decides to attack then the both of you do so), as much as positioning your troops so they can always resupply.
>AW1 then fixes damage calc to give directs a purpose, but unless Max (who auto-wins against every other CO) is allowed, defensive play usually still wins.
I don't think that's entirely correct. Max IS one of the best COs in AW1 but the game definitely doesn't let you play defensively all the time. If I may add, the one thing both AW1 and 2 do terribly is naval warfare, since, outside from Landers and Cruisers, everything else is just too expensive for what it can hit. Really, making Cruisers fight each other was probably the smartest decision IS could make.
>another person who hates the Black Hole DS weapons
Finally someone who gets me. None of the three goddamned unlocks make any sense gamepelay wise and actually destroy all semblance of balance. Black Boats are my least favorite because you can just park two of them out at sea and keep repairing each other indefinitely, there's even a mission in the trial modes that requires you to do so. Piperunners are situational, true, but you can always just pop them onto a base (or even worse, using Hachi or Hachi's Spirit Force and build them onto fucking cities) and basically create an impenetrable defense. Black Bombs do way too much damage despite their cost being so high, because they pass through all possible defense bonuses and their range is so high it makes them impossible to counter unless you sacrifice a Fighter. Neotanks had a reason to exist, since they were meant to be better versions of the Md Tank you'd get after not only being good at the game but making enough grand in a map that rolling Md Tanks after Md Tanks would get tiresome.
The only DS unit that I really liked was the Stealth Plane because it actually makes dogfights more strategic in FoW on PvP.
All the CO Powers related things in AWDS can eat a dick, too. Eagle's COP is particularly bad because they just made a less expensive version of his super.
>It's better to have more units than less units.
To be honest though there's plenty of occasions in all games where sending in a damaged unit just as a roadblock for a more powerful enemy one is more beneficial than falling back. One thing I wished in older AW titles was for high air units to ignore infantries and ground units barred anti-air and rockets when moving on the map and for naval units being able to damage infantries blocking shores.
>The majority of Wars World CO's handle identically, with army compositions that are 90% infantry and a smattering of small tanks, artillery, copters, and anti-air.
Did you make this picture
Also I disagree with this (but not fully, plenty of COs are based on infantry spam), I've found that rolling Recons by sacrificing a turn can yield much better results on smaller maps.
Also, last I remember, the only banned COs were Colin, Hachi and Sturm, with everyone else being flipped on or off depending on who's playing.
>>13580627
Black Boats break the game though. I wish they made some naval unit that was way less expensive. Maybe separating the infantry landing capabilities of the Black Boat and its repairing ones, so that you have to at least prioritize one of the two.
e588ef No.13583415
>>13583230
To un-break the Blackboat you just need to make it unable to refuel units. That way they need to get to shore for refueling eventually, or they will sink. Just healing, not refueling.
eee14f No.13583512
>>13563393
The western version looks better. It makes you fight generals not goofballs like in the Japanese people.
d63cf0 No.13583747
>>13583415
Then it would require more than 60 fuel to be better suited as a support unit, but it would break the game even further because it could ferry twice as much infantry.
e588ef No.13583875
>>13583747
I have an idea. To make it depend more in land, make it so It consumes ammo everyone it heals. That way you can't heal all you want.
5b2af3 No.13585690
Post the green earth checkem picture I need it to live
d63cf0 No.13585731
>>13585690
I have no idea what you meant with that but I have found this.
5b2af3 No.13585848
742711 No.13586220
>>13563393
NA Nell, NA Olaf, JP Kanbei, NA Drake, JP Grit, NA Sonja. Personally I like the NA redesigns.
a08ed0 No.13587401
I think I speak for everyone when I say that the Mayor is the best character in the entire series.
5b2af3 No.13588753
How the FUCK do I S rank Duo Falls in AW1?
I've come just shy of it like three times with Max
9faf2a No.13588858
>>13588753
>Actually playing the war room maps
I didn't know other people bothered with it
5c96f4 No.13588870
>>13585848
it's an advance wars clone that parodied the 2012 Republican primaries. Each of the potential Republican candidates had different powers - for example Herman Cain could use his pizza empire to get extra money per turn from cities
d63cf0 No.13589842
>>13587401
Pointing in the wrong direction with your character portrait? You're no better than those bandits!
>>13588753
Like I said, the AI is fucking atrocious in War Room, at least in AW1 and 2 (barring two extremely unnerving cases). I recall beating that one with Grit, but video evidence shows that HQ capture is much easier and possible with Sami. Waiting a turn or two without building shit always fucks up with the AI because they expect a much minor threat and they all have a fixed build order, so don't just try and clear the map as much as killing key units. IIRC Kanbei has a hard-on for Infantry.
>>13588858
They extend the game like crazy and I used to play on VS with friends who were less versed in the game on them, to give them an upper hand.
e62a21 No.13589901
>>13578569
It's pretty easy to play online again - provided you have a flashcart.
5b2af3 No.13589949
>>13589901
Would bootstrap work?
e62a21 No.13589972
>>13589949
Provided the game functions under bootstrap (compatiblity was terrible last time I checked), it should be fine.
f26c45 No.13591881
>beat AW1 a month or two ago
>ended up getting Grit and Sami for the final battle
Had I known I just needed to beat all three of Kanbei's missions in a certain amount of time to get him I would have. It probably would have made it take a lot less time compared to having Sami.
c47a34 No.13591893
Nell is strong in the first game. He's a better Andy. her CO stars are the same if I remember correctly, so her super is objectively better.
c47a34 No.13591903
>>13588753
>actually playing the war room maps
something I should do eventually.
d63cf0 No.13591928
>>13591881
Though you need to use Sami on all GE missions to unlock the final one AND Eagle in versus.
>>13591893
Best Super in the game is Campaign Sturm. Best in versus is probably Max's because of the extra movement.
>>13591903
Fucking casual
f26c45 No.13591988
>>13591928
That's a good point. I probably should have said I beat the campaign of AW1, since there's still tons of shit in the game I've yet to do.
86a2cf No.13592792
67aebd No.13593000
>>13592792
It's single-player only and has about six stages. It's fine for what it is.
52bd78 No.13594215
5b2af3 No.13594464
>>13594215
https://www.warsworldnews.com/wp/hacks/andys-adventure-aw2-by-mark999/
Aside from this absolute beauty there's the War Room Challenge and a couple minor balance hacks.
d63cf0 No.13595579
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>>13594464
I've just gotten around to playing this. A lot of its humor is memeshit but, as someone who read Totally Flaked back in the days, it's tickling my nostalgia boner to no end. Dev was also a cheeky bastard with some enemy placement and I love them for it.
>>13594215
Try any of the stuff XenesisXenon has created, really. How the fuck does he do that, I have no idea, but it all works and it's awesome. He recreated systems from all Nintendo Wars games and added others that were huge problems IS never figured out how to make.
7b4389 No.13596154
>>13588753
abuse the AI apc fetish
6b1cb3 No.13598277
>>13563820
>anime tier
That "criticism" doesn't sound remotely credible or intelligible at all.
c2e36a No.13600051
>Get to Collin
>"Power of Money can't be that broken, it's boost couldn't really make that much of a difference"
>mfw
Did no one think this might be too overpowered while playtesting? Holy shit.
>>13598277
Yes, we've been over this. Now post AW shit.
6f46a5 No.13603320
>>13600051
Power of Money is only as good as the enemy's defenses let it be. Colin is pretty much broken though, you can cheese at various War Room maps only using him and that's why playing him is frowned upon by the community, despite the character not being as bad as Hachi or Sturm. Some claim Von Bolt is just as strong because of his extra defense and the fact you miss out a turn with his super, but I haven't found as many applications for that as the other guys.
>implying they playtested this
I remember the AI struggling to fight around pipelines. More specifically, in the War Room maps they would flat out ignore the seams and just faff about around them (though I've seen videos of hacks where this doesn't happen so I'm not sure if it was just my experience). Meanwhile, the DS AI makes sure that the seams MUST die, even if it means losing footing with their Piperunners. The AI also always follows the unit deployment order, so you can trick infantry units to move in places where a tank would have fared better, they always build at the end of the turn (even Eagle, who would benefit from his Lighting Strike, though I've noticed they fixed that in DS with just his units or the Dual Strike ones), they seem incapable of reading weather conditions and will use weather condition changing supers, they will use their COP or SCOP depending on whenever they fill up without going overboard and it can't deal with having less than x of various unit types so you can force a build order even when it's unnecessary. Also, at times, it will simply not move anything because it can't think of any move, despite there being plenty of openings. I've had situations where the AI on the Hard Campaign at that would park tanks or copters next to units that could take them out in one hit, without even attempting an attack.
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6912ac No.13605474
>>13596154
It was strange to me why the AI seemed to prefer attacking transports over actual combat units.
6f46a5 No.13605517
>>13605474
The AI isn't trying to win, it tries to stop you from getting an S rank on 99% of the maps. I've only played one FE but I think they did something similar there too, rather than fight with reason they just went at the unit they were most likely to kill if they concentrated fire on it.
c60853 No.13612805
>>13603320
I think on some of AW2's campaign maps the AI can destroy pipeseams although I could be remembering it wrong.
6f46a5 No.13619432
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>>13612805
Nope, that doesn't ever happen in the campaign. The one mission where it would be beneficial to the AI is the next to last one, where the Citadel thing has two conveniently placed areas where I suppose the AI was supposed to rush towards to make it harder for you to win but somehow they just don't.
Also if you didn't believe me that the AI is that bad and that 2v2 is the superior mode, take a gander at this.
95d375 No.13626781
>>13603320
Do you mean frowned upon by the War Room players? I never cared about score attacks that much, but in multiplayer he's frowned upon for different reasons entirely.
6f46a5 No.13627253
>>13626781
Multi. War Room challenges range from stupidly easy to unfairly difficult so whoever you choose is gonna be the CO best suited for that map. I.E. lots of island type maps that Sensei and Sami absolutely dominate because of their +1 to transports, even if you were playing as Sturm you'd have a much more difficult time reaching S rank.
95d375 No.13627295
>>13627253
In multiplayer, by the time you have enough money for Power of Money to make a significant impact you have probably won anyway. Meanwhile his D2D expenses and Gold Rush are completely bonkers.
6f46a5 No.13627602
>>13627295
Sure, but in War Room maps you're trying to go for score, which includes how fast you can beat the map and how many units you lose in the process. Colin is great for throwing men to their own deaths since they're expendable but you can't always rely on that when you're trying to S rank shit.
878921 No.13635443
>>13605517
>The AI isn't trying to win, it tries to stop you from getting an S rank on 99% of the maps.
When you think about it, for the AI it could be considered "winning" if you have to keep resetting the level again and again to eventually beat it, even though the AI's previous victories against you have been effectively erased.
Alternatively the AI is trying to defeat you as fast as possible and may have programmed to attack the weakest unit (such as a transport that can't fight back) to prevent the human from getting S Rank (or FE all units surviving) if they are a pro, because that situation is what will end the level immediately by causing the human to reset.