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RMS just published a draft of his own GNU+CoCk.
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2018-10/msg00001.html
>The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes
>to advance the development of the GNU system, regardless of
>gender, race, religion, cultural background, and any other demographic characteristics
>as well as personal political views.
It's not cucked so far.
But since it's a draft, there's still a possibility of it getting pozzed.
▶ No.989766>>989798
Could be worse, maybe it's a move to avoid being pestered to add one. In any case, it's a lot better than Linux's insanity.
▶ No.989767>>989770 >>989775
>>989763 (OP)
>gender, race, religion, cultural background
If your cock has any of these words in it, it's already charged with leftist smegma.
▶ No.989770
>>989767
No, not at all.
A true leftist would tell you there is no "race", and/or use the word "ethnicity" at best.
RMS proved to be uncuckable.
▶ No.989772>>989998
>>989763 (OP)
Great, now we should make this the default CoC of all GNU projects and pressure those GNU projects who adopted the Contributor Covenant to switch to this one.
▶ No.989775>>989795
>>989767
>>989763 (OP)
>gender
sex
Here he goes jewing everyone like the jew he is.
And "regardless of" is leftist speech. It always ends in: "regardless of whether they're actually contributing anything"
▶ No.989778>>989998
I've never tl;dr's harder to anything in my life. I've read H.R.1234 bills that say nothing else than "the Congress has this view on matters" more carefully than I'll ever read this shit. Literally not enough hours in a day to waste 1/1024th of one on a "Kind Communication Guideline".
▶ No.989795>>989950
>>989775
That's pretty much how GNU always was, sweetie. Contribute whatever you can despite the quality just so there could be an alternative to the proprietary software.
▶ No.989797>>989998 >>990107
>>989763 (OP)
>Some maintainers advocated adopting a "code of conduct" with strict
rules. Some other free software projects have done this, generating
some resistance.3 Several GNU package maintainers responded that they
would quit immediately. I myself did not like the punitive spirit of
that approach, and decided against it.
>The idea of the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines is to start guiding
people towards kinder communication at a point well before one would
even think of saying, "You are breaking the rules." The way we do
this, rather than ordering people to be kind or else, is try to help
people learn to make their communication more kind.
>I disagree with making "diversity" a goal.
They are trying and RMS is resisting.
▶ No.989798>>989808
>>989766
>it's a lot better than Linux's insanity.
>insanity
Did you ever read the code of conflict ?
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.10/process/code-of-conflict.html
▶ No.989803>>989836 >>989998
GNU is not a software movement. GNU is, and always has been, a political movement that writes software as a means to an end.
▶ No.989808>>989816
>>989798
> code of conflict
Have you been living under a rock for the last couple of weeks? If so, can I move in with you?
▶ No.989812>>989854
>>989763 (OP)
>I did not, however, wish to make that an excuse to ignore the problem. So I decided to try a different approach: to guide participants to encourage and help each other to avoid harsh patterns of communication.
hum.... this reminds me of a book.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html
The text is itself very redundant and could be reduced to 10 lines.
>regardless of gender, race, religion, cultural background, and any other demographic characteristics, as well as personal political views.
This is not necessary to express, GNU is a universal project aimed towards resolving technical issues so that social issues in human groups can be avoided.
>The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes to advance the development of the GNU system.
gives a more universal message than pointing out some variables.
>People are sometimes discouraged from participating in GNU development because of certain patterns of communication that strike them as unfriendly, unwelcoming, rejecting, or harsh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
This happens and there's two solution for that either the person who was unwelcoming agrees to be less unwelcoming or the person who is interpreting the sentence as unwelcoming agrees to don't mind it anymore. Both are feasible.
>This discouragement particularly affects members of disprivileged demographics, but it is not limited to them.
This sounds like encouraging victimization. Taking, displacing responsibilities of someone is a disastrous method that lead to the creation of Amtssprache. This will have similar effect. There's no need to say who needs more help than others. Just listen to people. This line is not necessary.
>and honor their preferences about their gender identity
>honor
Honor is also something that leads to violence, because honor suggest that you are responsible for the choice of someone else, in this case that you are responsible to use a different pronoun because someone chose to change it.
Both parties are responsible for their actions, they are responsible for what they say but also how they react, if something troubles you, you can of course present your needs, and if your needs cannot be fulfilled then you need to try another way or do to without them. Do not attribute the responsibilities of your feelings to other.
https://youtu.be/4LuPCAh9FCc?t=2836
>Please do not take a harsh tone towards other participants,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
>and especially don't make personal attacks against them
That I agree.
>A private response, politely stating your feelings as feelings
>private
I do not agree, if it began on public mailing list there's a need for transparency to avoid useless speculation on the internet.
>stating your feelings as feelings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuPCAh9FCc
>Please don't raise unrelated political issues in GNU Project discussions, because they are off-topic. The only political positions that the GNU Project endorses are (1) that users should have control of their own computing (for instance, through free software) and (2) supporting basic human rights in computing. We don't require you as a contributor to agree with these two points, but you do need to accept that our decisions will be based on them.
The gender/pronoun issue is politically unrelated to GNU or other free software project.
The guide has good intent but it could be formatted in a way that is more universal and avoids the implication of taking responsibility of some else's actions.
▶ No.989816>>989940 >>990960
>>989808
>Have you been living under a rock for the last couple of weeks
For the past four months I had not access to the internet. I am aware about what happened. I just misread you and read "linus" instead of "linux".
>I move in with you
I would love to share my days and work with someone who understands what gets out of my mouth....
▶ No.989836>>989850
>>989803
Ironically that very fact may be what protects it the most. GNU is jews jewing jews. They know the dialectical materialist, legalist game, because they play it themselves. Compared to well intentioned but otherwise ignorant programmers and maintainers who know NOTHING about politics and just accept any and all CoC's that are placed infront of their mouths, GNU may be the strongest opponent they've ever faced.
▶ No.989850
>>989836
I'd prefer it if you refer to us as GNU/engineers and GNU/philosophers.
▶ No.989854>>989899
>>989812
This sounds pretty much on point, you should email that to them or RMS directly
▶ No.989860
You don't need to go through the terms of the CoC with a fine toothed comb. It's the same "diversity for diversity's sake" and "save the womyns" bullshit that is killing merit-based (F)OSS across the board, and you can see that from the first paragraph. The most insidious nature of CoC is that it applies to the personal beliefs of the contributor, despite all claims to the contrary.
▶ No.989863>>989875 >>990061
Who knew G in GNU stood for Gay? I just learned this.
▶ No.989875>>989924
>>989863
You didn't know?
Lurk stallman.org for like 1 minute and you would've already known that.
▶ No.989899>>989945
>>989854
> you should email that to them or RMS directly
Idk. I put this to see here to see if people would see some errors/fallacies in it. The part about honor is badly formulated and I need to find an old article that I didn't save/archive unfortunately.
Now that I read it again there's something bothering me. I think I need a day or two to rethink this and consult a book or two to see if my sentiments interfered in the tough process.
▶ No.989924>>989928
>>989875
>someone expresses an opinion i dont like on his perse personal blog?
>everything perse has done is shit
found the SJW
▶ No.989928
>>989924
>found the SJW
>SJW
▶ No.989939
>as well as personal political views.
Why don't we test it?
Someone create a fake profile in some of those social networks and pretend that you are a real nazi then try to contribute something to the GNU project.
Let's see if they'll accept out most humble contribution or not.
▶ No.989940
>>989816
>For the past four months I had not access to the internet. I am aware about what happened. I just misread you and read "linus" instead of "linux".
Linux adopted the Contributor Covenant and Linus has (temporarily :^) left the LKP.
▶ No.989945
>>989899
Go for it, anon. Keep us posted.
▶ No.989948>>989971 >>990002 >>990142 >>990664 >>1000224
>>989763 (OP)
I have a better idea:
>all participants agree to not share their real name, or a name that can lead one to their real name
>all participants agree to never mention their race or gender or sexuality
>any participant that violates the above rules gets kicked out for being an attentionwhoring niggerfaggot and probably a woman
And problem fucking solved. Call it the anonymous contributor guidelines or whatever.
▶ No.989950
>>989795
>contribute whatever you can
Including backdoors? If ya don't accept it you're transphonic.
▶ No.989971>>990142
>>989948
>all participants agree to not share their real name, or a name that can lead one to their real name
All participants use GPG with a pseudonym.
▶ No.989998
>>989772
I'd actually be in favor of that. This pseudo-CoC is actually fairly reasonable.
>>989778
Nigger, it's one page.
>>989797
>resisting
More like RMS has always had the sense to keep Free Software separate from other political battles. He always knew Free Software+ would be a disaster. I mean, that's basically what (((open source))) was.
>>989803
But the politics are ONLY about software.
▶ No.990002>>990008 >>990047
>>989948
>all participants agree to not share their real name, or a name that can lead one to their real name
Congrats, you just formalized doxxing as a way to get someone fired.
▶ No.990008>>990302
>>990002
He is on to something though. These liberals and SJWs are narcissistic attention whores who don't give a fuck about anything but themselves. Open source code is becoming a high-visibility advertising platform for them. They WANT their name shouted everywhere possible so they get social credit and authority by association.
Take that away, and the SJW will die of starvation or simply leave like the dissatisfied parasite it is. Forced anonymity or pseudo-anonymity is absolutely critical now more than ever. You can't stop people from saying their own name in chat and discussions, but you can strip away their identity via accounts and emails and other "formal" means.
▶ No.990009
>>989763 (OP)
>happening
>nothing happened
Business as usual. I think contributing to coreutils or emacs have bigger issues than CoC or similar wall of text. The corporate speak about woman in tech is now a hot thing but it will gone anyway.
▶ No.990019
I wouldn't worry about it goys, just ignore it and it'll go away!
▶ No.990047>>990302
>>990002
Exactly. If you don't accept all the poz of the cultural marxists, you'll have to stay anonymous in order to participate. Then its just a matter of a witchhunt, which is incredibly ironic given that literal satanist faggot "witches" will be doing the hunting.
▶ No.990052
love it
even better than what Ruby has
▶ No.990061
>>989863
G stands for GNU's. :^)
▶ No.990062>>990811
>1. I read that the fraction of women in the free software community overall is around 3%, whereas in the software field overall it is over 10%.
>2. I disagree with making "diversity" a goal. If the developers in a specific free software project do not include demographic D, I don't think that the lack of them as a problem that requires action; there is no need to scramble desperately to recruit some Ds. Rather, the problem is that if we make demographic D feel unwelcome, we lose out on possible contributors. And very likely also others that are not in demographic D.
>There is a kind of diversity that would benefit many free software projects: diversity of users in regard to skill levels and kinds of usage. However, that is not what people usually mean by "diversity".
>3. I'm not involved in those projects, even if in some cases I use the software they release, so I am not directly concerned about whatever internal arrangements they make. They are pertinent here only as more-or-less comparable situations.
Based and redpilled stallman saying the same thing I was saying all the time
>Dude I don't care, if you want, you can identify as a fucking flying motorcycle lmao just do your job, if you do a good job then we will respect you
>If you won't do your job, just screech like a retard, then we will delet you, yo
After all Stallmans' version of c*mmunism seems pretty much like NatSoc, lol
also
>A code of conduct states rules, with punishments for anyone that violates them. It is the heavy-handed way of teaching people to behave differently, and since it only comes into action when people do something against the rules, it doesn't try to teach people to do better than what the rules require. To be sure, the appointed maintainer(s) of a GNU package can, if necessary, tell a contributor to go away; but we do not want to need to have recourse to that.
Yeah, there will never be any cock in my GNU
▶ No.990063>>990076 >>990239
>>990053
Because this isn't a code of conduct and there is nothing to enforce. This is basically like the video store having a sign that says "Please Be Kind, Rewind." RMS is software Jesus, and as such has decried the pharisees of the CoC brigades as the hypocrites that they are.
▶ No.990074>>990076 >>990089
>>990053
>Please Be Kind, Rewind
Only if you have an extremely loaded definition of "kind".
>not a CoC
>nothing to enforce
I'm not convinced. Luckily there is a litmus test. From the GNU CoC:
<call them by the names they use, and honor their preferences about their gender identity
What will happen to a contributor who refuses to indulge the mental illness of others? That is the only thing we need to know.
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▶ No.990089>>990090 >>990091
>>990074
>What will happen to a contributor who refuses to indulge the mental illness of others? That is the only thing we need to know.
Nothing. There are no punitive measures.
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▶ No.990091>>990097
>>990090
>>990089
Just so we're clear, asking rms this question is not the litmus test. It would have to actually happen so that we may observe the affect of the resulting SJW mob's social pressure.
▶ No.990097>>990102
>>990091
True, but I think we will not see such a thing precisely because SJWs have no power to complain that something isn't being enforced. As always, RMS has shown that he's a true visionary by diffusing this shit. SJWs already hate RMS because of his stance on lolis and other types of "problematic" content. He's autistic enough to not care what they think as long as user freedom is preserved.
▶ No.990102>>990103
>>990097
>SJWs have no power to complain
I think you underestimate the mind virus that is quickly engulfing certain social spheres. It can be overwhelming.
>RMS, the man, the visionary
You mean the jewish socialist who thinks girls can have penises? I wouldn't put my eggs in that basket, but that's just me.
▶ No.990103>>990106 >>990110
>>990102
>You mean the jewish socialist who thinks girls can have penises? I wouldn't put my eggs in that basket, but that's just me.
I don't think he said that, but that he'd respect someone if they really wanted to be called something else. Also, I fail to see something wrong with being Jewish, and RMS has repeatedly dismissed any socialist leanings.
▶ No.990106>>990108
>>990103
He has dismissed communism as impractical and bad for freedom. He is a democratic socialist though. That said, he isn't trying to take away your right to say democratic socialism is for faggots.
▶ No.990107
>The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes
>to advance the development of the GNU system, regardless of
>gender, race, religion, cultural background, and any other demographic characteristics
>as well as personal political views.
Why the fuck say "gender, etc"? How about preferred musical genres, do they allow contributions regardless of that? And favorite color, eye color or haircut? That should be added to the list as well or people might think it's ok to discriminate on that.
That said I agree with >>989797 it seems rms gave up some ground (which he shouldn't have) but hasn't switched sides.
▶ No.990108>>990110 >>990112
>>990106
>He is a democratic socialist though
I'd say he's more of a Europoor-style social democrat. And yes, RMS gives no shits about anything but software.
▶ No.990110>>990113
>>990103
>>990108
Oh you're a leftist. No wonder.
▶ No.990112>>990113
>>990108
>RMS gives no shits about anything but software.
Except for his prolific political commentaries where he links to pro-socialist pieces, supports DSA-endorsed candidates, and his gender-confused pronoun spookery.
▶ No.990113>>990115
>>990110
I've been called a radical centrist on this board before. I rather like that label more. I'm hated by both political sides, so it makes sense.
>>990112
Pretty sure he outright said preferred pronouns were bullshit. As for DSA candidates, I thought he supported the green party.
▶ No.990115>>990117 >>990119
>>990113
The radical centrist meme gets thrown at you because of the ridiculous facade you wear when trying to influence the right-leaning board. You've been outed, both as a leftist and not knowing shit about rms.
https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html
>>>/leftypol/
>>>/cuteboys/
▶ No.990117
>>990115
No, I mean it unironically. Not everyone who disagrees with you is trolling or a leftist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_centrism
▶ No.990119>>990138 >>990240 >>990264
>>990115
>https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html
You need to read that again. He proposed a grammatically correct alternative pronoun which has history in academia. He outright rejected made up pronouns.
▶ No.990138>>990153 >>990177
>>990119
>alternative pronouns
<gender-confused pronoun spookery
You're just restating what I said with euphemisms to hide the fact that rms actively indulges the psychotic delusions of mentally ill homosexuals.
You keep employing rhetorical devices which make it obvious you are arguing by proxy, not from a position of conviction. Your intent is to cause incoherence.
▶ No.990142>>990175
>>989948
>>989971
This is how it should be. And donations should be via some kind of crypto so you don't know who the person is getting it and thus protecting their identity.
For a name, how about "Shut the fuck up and Code" guidelines.
▶ No.990153
>>990138
No, it's called nuance. Stallman us accommodating, as I would be. Not to the same extent, but certainly an effort.
▶ No.990162>>990175 >>990179
Building on the anonymous contributions idea, you could make it so that the pseudonyms don't show in whatever software and web frontends you use. Github clones for instance could show "Anonymous" and an ID system to prevent samefagging in issue or PR comments. As a bonus, if you can't tell who's saying what, it'll help good ideas get more support. Instead of dick sucking one lazy, negative important faggot.
That and the pseudonym, CoC, and GPG ideas would be great at keeping out drama queens. But the problem is you'd need to get developers that are actually dedicated to the software and not their e-peen.
▶ No.990175>>990233
>>990142
>>990162
The idea of enforcing anonymity via pseudonyms, with GPG keys as identity proofs is technically sound. Accepting donations via crypto is also a interesting idea.
But, anything that becomes popular enough in the Internet eventually spills out into RL. If a thing becomes relevant in RL, then it attracts parasites activists who want to borrow the relevance of the thing for their own purposes.
With this model you would just ignore all of that to focus on the project? And what about legal action (e.g. license violations, trademark infringement)? That cannot be done as anon.
>Github clones for instance could show "Anonymous" and an ID system to prevent samefagging in issue or PR comments
That may be an excellent idea, although very idealistic. Unless everyone committed under the same name, email, and timezone though (no PGP signing for the commits too), you would trivially know who's proposing what PR by cloning the repo where the PR comes from.
>But the problem is you'd need to get developers that are actually dedicated to the software and not their e-peen.
It's only compounded with the fact (as I understand it) that your pseudonym would be something tied only to the project, and to nothing else. People get doxxed because of their attachment to pseudonyms they've used during years, in forums, games, etc. so this would serve to prevent that.
I believe this is the major hurdle; almost no-one wants to do hard work and not even get recognized for it. More so when the field is getting over-saturated and that is becoming more and more of a requirement for getting a non-shit job. Not everyone can become an entrepreneur (risky, no time then) or a consultant.
▶ No.990177>>990178 >>990186 >>990190 >>990191 >>990203 >>992057
>>990138
He says as he shitposts on the internet, on a computer.
Turing, considered by most to be the father of modern computing, was a homosexual. He was chemically castrated despite his insurmountable service to his country. He later committed suicide.
I don't understand people like you. We have plenty of people on this planet who are still breeders and It's not like we're in any need of a population boost, so why get mad if someone would rather dedicate themselves to engineering, software and science rather than chasing used-up poon like a caveman? When you you focus on a life like that, you tend to seek the embrace of the fellow engineer, rather than that of some drone. Because they can understand you. You can share your knowledge and with that bond comes affection.
You are sick of mind, yelling at the world, accusing it of being mad. When In the harshness of reality, It has always been you.
▶ No.990178>>990302
>>990177
Why make this post?
▶ No.990179>>990229 >>991964
>>990162
Eventually you would want to meet other people and promote your idea. You can hardly go to a conference and give a speech wearing a ninja suit and a voice changer.
▶ No.990186
>>990177
>if you hate homosexuals you are a mindless caveman obsessed with wet axe wounds
Okay. And what does the man dedicated to his trade have to do with that?
▶ No.990190
>>990177
>He was chemically castrated
good, faggot
▶ No.990191
>>990177
I love how faggots act holier than thou for poopdicking/tearing up colons--you do realize the average homosexual not only wants to kiss boys, but to piss on them and chain them up by their assholes, right? Deviant sexual desires and homosexuality are inextricably linked. I love the term "breeder" too--it's essentially the equivalent of "normalfag" for heterosexuals.
▶ No.990203
>>990177
>literal commie faggot
Cancer.
▶ No.990229
>>990179
>you would want to meet other people
Hasn't happened in at least a decade
>You can hardly go to a conference and give a speech wearing a ninja suit and a voice changer
You can, but it'd be even easier to just do a VoIP call with a voice changer. That way, your experience is shared without you whoring for attention for no reason.
▶ No.990233
>>990175
>by cloning the repo where the PR comes from
You can make or restore another system, quite like the pre-git kernel patching process (patches in tarballs: in the new implementation, they could have either manual application or merging). This would provide further anonymization.
▶ No.990239>>990369
>>990063
>Because this isn't a code of conduct
oh, alright-
>This is basically like the video store having a sign that says "Please Be Kind, Rewind."
Sorry to say, but that's in essence the same thing.
Both are general ideas as to how someone should conduct themselfs in a public and civil manor.
Both don't need to always be enforced.
▶ No.990240
>>990119
>other
oh right, that's so much better.
Just ignore all sides entirely! :D Take that sjws and nazis!!!
Biologically, there is no "other" or "they".
"They" is a term meaning them as in many, your entire stance is bullshit.
Biology has only 2 genders.
Genderless pronouns is bullshit no matter what way to slice the cake and he's obviously only taking this stance beacuse he doesn't want to completely invalidate his leftist butt buddies.
▶ No.990264
>>990119
>He outright rejected made up pronouns.
He literally made up new pronouns to accommodate gender confusion, retard.
▶ No.990302>>990352
>>990047
>>990008
You two don't realize the ball is not in our field now.
The proposal above won't hurt SJWs as a group because their leaders are expendable and require no specific skill, it will only give them a new tool to infiltrate orgs by getting wrongthinkers fired and a new tool to use when in power.
Have you ever seen Wikipedia?
Anonymous/pseudonymous contributions disliked by the rulers can not only be easily deleted by claiming they come from ban evaders/sockpuppets (with no real evidence of this, of course), but they can also be used as "evidence" to ban other contributions by claiming they are made by the same person behind the now banned anon account.
By forcing anonymity it will be easier for SJWs to lower the amount of evidence required for purges even more, and without upsetting the general public.
Anonymity offers some advantages but forcing it while the SJWs are on the offensive would be suicidal.
>>990178
The image was pretty good, I'll give him that
▶ No.990352>>990373
>>990302
>By forcing anonymity
You can't though.
▶ No.990369>>990386 >>990611
>>990239
>Sorry to say, but that's in essence the same thing.
It's not. If you think telling people to be kind to each other is the same as mandating that you not post x or y even on your personal social media, then you're retarded. It's a world of difference. Late video returns have punitive fees attached to them. Not rewinding your tape just makes you an asshole.
▶ No.990373>>990385
>>990352
The entire proposal above was about forcing anonymity by banning non-anonymous contributors, and that's the proposal I'm criticizing.
▶ No.990385>>990452
>>990373
You would need more than just an administrative policy; you would need a whole new tool set for collaborative development that was designed with anonymity in mind. You would even need new version control systems that weren't user-centric.
▶ No.990386>>990606
>>990369
Video store customers don't hunt down other customers and try to get them fired from their jobs for not rewinding a tape. The metaphor is retarded and you're a total faggot.
▶ No.990452
>>990385
All of that is completely pointless if it means your enemy is rewarded for doxxing your team members.
▶ No.990606>>990674
>>990386
Then your problem isn't with GNU. It's with faggots.
▶ No.990611>>990658
>>990369
>If you think telling people to be kind to each other is the same as mandating that you not post x or y even on your personal social media, then you're retarded
That's a general problem with wageslaves and not a CoC thing.
That's all branding and bullshit pr's doing.
A code of conduct isn't supposed to do that at all, it's just that fucking retarded have made it into that by making really shitty code of conducts, esssentually turning them from being "don't say stupid shit in the workplace" to "sign away your soul goy and don't ever think about saying mean things ever because this is your life now"
The difference is obvious, this is the main problem with CoCs today, their not CoCs, they're trying to be contracts.
▶ No.990658
>>990611
The point is to make the gratis contributors like wage slaves,
or drive them out alltogether.
Remeber your enemy also bans you from having female children as brides.
Enemies of men. AKA: americans/whites.
▶ No.990664
>>989948
Unironically not a bad idea. Anyone who contributes must contribute using an online alias.
▶ No.990674>>990740
>>990606
CoC is a symptom of coming under the influence of faggots. Psychotic homosexuality ("gender choice") is embedded as a tenet.
▶ No.990740>>990800
>>990674
>CoC is a symptom of coming under the influence of faggots.
It's not. The contributors' covenant, it can be argued, but every community has rules, even this one. Or are you going to claim that the global rules are SJW shit? Your problem is with people that try to get people removed from shit said off-project communications. This has no punitive measures, so it's not a problem. There is a reason why the Coraline Ada Ehmke is fucking pissed about this, and it's because it takes power away from his tranny ass and diffuses the complaint that they were using to get their foot in the door. Now they have nothing to complain about, so they resort to calling RMS a transphobe and so on. RMS gives no fucks and has just played them like a damn fiddle. You're just too fucking dumb to see it, or a shill.
▶ No.990772
> SJW movement and trannification goes mainstream
> CoCks become "needed" when everything worked fine before
It's nothing more than the ol' PROBLEM->REACTION->SOLUTION tactic that's also used to justify the police state due to "refugee" invasions.
▶ No.990790>>990791 >>990795
RMS is a creepy pederast and GNU sucks anyway. Use BSD you faggots
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▶ No.990792>>990805
>>990791
>t. communist fagware supporter
▶ No.990795>>990796
>>990790
Do you have anything that substantiates your claims?
▶ No.990796
>>990795
no im just messing with you faggot
▶ No.990800>>990823
>>990740
>every community has rules
I'm not against rules, I'm against rules which are irrelevant to the nature of participation both in scope and application. How can you be so obtuse when we've already seen CoC used as a weapon against contributors based on their personal lives and political stances?
▶ No.990805
>>990792
Wrong board, bsdnigger
▶ No.990811
>>990062
>there is no need to scramble desperately to recruit some Ds
>there is no need to scramble desperately to recruit some Ds
>there is no need to scramble desperately to recruit some Ds
>there is no need to scramble desperately to recruit some Ds
>there is no need to scramble desperately to recruit some Ds
▶ No.990815
Just stick with SQLite's deus vult CoC.
▶ No.990823>>990858
>>990800
There are not punitive measures described in these guidelines. You are not required to follow them. There is a reason the CoC niggers are angry about this. You're just too fucking stupid to see it.
▶ No.990835
inb4
Linus tries to switch to this or something like this. Gets told that wanting to move away from Coraline's CoC is transphobic / hateful in itself.
screenshot this
▶ No.990858
>>990823
Doesn't matter. Having a psychotice gender-bender CoC gives SJWs a valid basis for complaining about the personal beliefs of other people, and they will swarm the project maintainers like piranhas like they always do, and the maintainers will capitulate like they always do. So far, no large project has been able to resist this pressure; it has nothing to do with explicit punitive measures. You're being deliberately obtuse because you're a tranny faggot SJW, its pretty clear.
▶ No.990960
>>989816
Alright, so how do you want to keep in contact?
▶ No.991953>>991963 >>991976 >>991990 >>991996
There is a discussion on Guix going on right now about adopting the GNU/CoC over the tranny-CoCk. Everyone but two or three resident faggots (among them the chief maintainer) are in favor of the move, so get your gay asses over there and maybe we can convince them. Remember to hide your power levels as usual.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-10/msg00415.html
Reply to one of the posts by sending an email to guix-devel@gnu.org and use "Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?" (without the quotes) as the subject for it to show up in the correct discussion. Now is the time to get our heads out of our asses, even it fails there will at least be precedent for other projects that such a move is heavily wanted.
▶ No.991963>>992059
>>991953
I don't agree with cocs or guidelines but the gnu kind guideline is a lesser evil choice right now. If the guideline can be added instead of the coc then we would have something less authoritarian which I agree with.
You have my support.
▶ No.991964
>>990179
Why though? The fun goes away the moment you leave the hobbyist scene.
▶ No.991976
>>991953
>https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-10/msg00517.html
>Harrasment is - at least as far as I
have observed - way to common.
This is where opinion diverges in general. Not because harassment doesn't exist but because people are very skeptic about these things nowadays since it's used as an ad hominem to bully people. Similar behavior like this are used by politicians everyday like calling people antisemitic or racist.
Harassment or similar illegal behavior in laws has to be taken care of when it happens but it's not necessary to add them in the coc since it's already in the law. When people are harassed they just have to call the police.
>An interesting element here is that many of the
harrassers don't seem to understand that they are harrassing.
This is the subject that leads to a lot of problems. The problem in this case is interpretation and people who don't explicitly say what are their needs. It's a social problem that comes from both sides of the discussion.
This sort of problem can be solved by following this workshop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuPCAh9FCc
▶ No.991990
>>991953
>https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-10/msg00538.html
>Programming is an incredibly social activity -
No it's not.
>here I sit alone and mostly work on stuff that only I will ever see or use
Maybe I am misinterpreting but does he like what he is doing ?
>So we focus on building an inclusive awesome community, because
that is one of the best ways to get awesome software.
No to get awesome software you need to methodology of work and lot of knowledge on multiple subject. To get awesome software you need to have good physical health and good mental health.
>To build a community we
need to build a culture. To build a culture you need to have some way of creating glue - cohesiveness.
It already exist and it's called the hacker community. It already has a culture. It already has principals. Principals that have worked since the 60s.
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/meaning-of-hack.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution
>Either you auto-disassociate anyone not "tough
enough" or you use something like a CoC and someone enforcing it (or you find other ways of reaching these goals; but AFAIK the two above are the main ones used in FLOSS today).
>AFAIK
Then you need to learn more.
>Remember the CoC is only true for some communities/cultures, it does not influence your legal entity outside of your interactions with the community (unless the issues are severe enough to have broken an actual law where one of the parties are).
So the coc is useless and unnecessary ?
▶ No.991996>>992059
>>991953
>https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-10/msg00552.html
>You can harass in just one bug report: "Module foo does not work for me. [Normal bug report things here] This beast is written in such a bad way, the bug is more its contributor Bar, he/she/zhe is so [inappropriate phrase here], get rid of him/her/zhe immediately and the problem is resolved."
>Nobody asked about reporting, nobody asked to sign a CoC or anything, yet this is harassment and the project (maintainer) should take immediate steps to protect Bar.
>yet this is harassment
What the actual fuck ? No it's a dick move made out of anger. Does this need to be done by the project maintainer ? Not necessarily, if the offended thinks that it's harassment then the offended needs to go to the police.
Also why do this person absolutely wants to get a third party (which isn't even a one who isn't juridically legal) involved in something that could be simply arranged by the people concerned by it ?
▶ No.992053>>992155 >>992218 >>1000347
You people pretend stallman isn't pozzed, but all you have to do to kill that myth is read his personal website.
https://stallman.org/
▶ No.992057
>>990177
poopdick detected. enjoy your aids.
▶ No.992059>>992148
>>991963
>>991996
Grow some balls. These people demand madness, and you are willing to negotiate down to half-madness. Learn to stand up and say no to the crazies.
▶ No.992148
>>992059
>Learn to stand up and say no to the crazies.
Did you ever try to negotiate with crazies when you don't have physical interraction to force them to move ?
If yes then you know it's impossible when you just use speech. You cannot go from 1 to 0 with these people it has to be 0.75, 0.50, 0.25, 0. It's the only way that they will ever accept something to go someway. It's the only way because these people think that the world is only black or white.
▶ No.992155>>992159
>>992053
Isn't it strange that these posts appeared when the advertisement to ask help to maintain the website is gone ?
Isn't it strange that what's posted is very out of what he usually posted two years ago ?
I fear that RMS is surrounded by bad people who tries cage him into an echo chamber. I fear that they also filter his emails.
▶ No.992159>>1000225
>>992155
One of the reason why I appreciate RMS is because he seems very innocent about things in general. I fear that this might change because of these people.
▶ No.992169
https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html
Better Genderless Pronouns in English by Richard "Cuck" Stallman
▶ No.992215
>>989763 (OP)
>when the guy who chews his toenails in a press conference delivers lower risk statements.
▶ No.992218
>>992053
I don't know what it is you're referring to. His front page has a lot of information on it.
▶ No.1000224
>>989948
I will create a more elaborate version of this tomorrow, in a separate thread. I am currently working out some details, to ensure such fuckery like CoCs and corporate takeovers cannot happen.
▶ No.1000225
>>992159
Someone who fought for years for proper ethics in software will not give in to some CoC mongrels.
▶ No.1000347
>>992053
elaborate or kys, that's a pretty long page