/tech/ - Technology★

It's fake anyway. It won't work in games as if your back is to the light source it will be culled and can't light the room. Or if a game is modified to support the tech and tries to render a simplified light/model behind the player when the geometry is culled then all the lighting will dramatically shift when not bouncing off the same geometry. Games that want it to look right will have to disable frustum culling and take an absolutely massive performance hit.

They presented this shit as simple as "flick a switch" but it absolutely will not work that way in reality.

You can get a nicely loaded complete system for that much.

Me. Current games run fine at 1080p with 970, not paying a shitload for a graphics card, then having to justify buying it by spending hundreds on a 4K monitor, or even more on a VR headset. Not to mention the main games that will take advantage of it will be overpriced AAA bullshit that only lasts 8 hours unless you buy exorbitant DLC to wring a fraction more "fun" out of it. Even then the only benefit you get is not having to mess with a couple of AA and settings and it looking marginally better than before.

With crypto gone to shit and not being that interested in cracking WPA2 password there aren't even any non-vidya applications I could use it for.

>>958442

Thought so I knew there would be a catch.

Hope those fuck heads like a gpu that's absolutely useless in normal games as well.

Suddenly my gtx 1080 and Vega does not look so bad

>>958436 (OP)

Isn't the new Vega supposed to be out in Q4?

>>958436 (OP)

also skipping. waste of money.

>>958462

>3.5 gb

>>958475

news to me if so. afaik that's navi due q4 / q1 but it's likely targeting mid range. navi should be 7nm so greater power efficiency. if so, we could see miners buy them up and so nobody will get them for months.

>>958436 (OP)

Bought a MSI R9 390 8G in October 2015. Why would I need a new card?

>>958514

because its slow and hot as fuck?

t. 390x from 2016

>>958436 (OP)

Why would I buy it? It's not as if the AAA games with cutting edge graphics that may conceivably warrant this in a few year's time have any gameplay worth mentioning. And the GoG I do play probably don't need a graphics card that costs more than the rest of my system combined.

>>958514

I'm really happy with my Rx 480 overclocked to 1350/2100.

>nvidia

>Who else skipping this shit?

Anybody worth keeping here.

>>958534

>implying you need a graphics card at all

Intel HD 3000 masterrace.

How many of you actually need more GPU power

>>958590

Don't worry, they'll fix it before release with asynchronous space warp or some other frame interpolation technique

>>958592

Lol no u can't just double a cards raw power

And idiots said these cards wherent cut down but high end my fucking ass

>>958586

I would like a more powerful GPU for VR dev. But not in the $1300 for 20% more performance way.

>>958604

Lower then they already are? Depends on on how hard the dumb miner fucks offload

>>958436 (OP)

>skipping

Don't tell me you buy one every year, you dumb fuck.

The last time I bought a video card was a 380x more or less on release, it lasted me 2 years then I got it RMA'd and it works just fine, I don't see the need for there being new cards every year. This is honestly one of the worst aspects of planned obsolescence ever.

Got a very nice 1080, no reason to upgrade for a while.

https://streamable.com/973rc

Ati was doing this 10+ years ago too lol

>>958436 (OP)

[1] It's Nvidia. If you don't skip it, you should stop consuming soy.

[2] My 290x can do what it does with raytracing using FOSS software from 2011 (luxrender).

>>958586

All I've been playing lately is TF2, L4D2, and Stalker occasionally. No new card can make stalker run better since it's laughably unoptimized

GTX 960 btw

I'll be sticking to mid-tier AMD cards for the foreseeable future. Actually good out-of-the-box Mesa drivers trump the 10% better performance you might get with the equivalent Nvidia card running their binary driver.

>>958590

And Denuvo will probably make performance even worse.

>>958638

Those are just standard fake reflections. We do much better fake reflection today via building cube maps with light probes, even shit like Unity supports it natively. But they've got a lot of weaknesses like the point of reflection isn't precise unless you spam them everywhere, they don't react to in-game changes, they require a lot of manual labor, they need adjusted as you make edits, etc..

>>958442

>>958454

>everything behind a player is culled

you are retarded

<hurr durr if you turn your back to the enemy they cant hurt you

>>958723

TL;DR: RTX is a con made to steal $$$$ from unsuspecting 20xx buyers? Sounds like classic Nvidia.

Damn, and I was thinking of getting a RTX2070 to replace my RX480 yesterday. Guess i'll be getting a Vega 56 then!

>>958731

Something else that I noticed: no benchmarks whatsoever, only some vague "higher FPS than Titan XP and 1080Ti guize!" bullshit. Suspicious?

>>958731

The smaller, localized effects like better shadow blending in those highly custom areas of womb raider they showed would be the more common use imo but I don't know if anyone would care much - it's like physx just ending up adding more trash and clutter because that was the easy thing to do with it. I think they'd rather have more fps.

The really cool thing of effortless dynamic GI lighting in all games is bullshit but that's probably what people think they're buying.

>>958723

To me, all this other bullshit doesnt matter. Modern graphics is not perfect.

Ray tracing is not perfect either, but usually produces aesthetically better renders.

The only thing that matters with is is 60fps. IF they can't hit 60fps on their new cards, they simply won't sell at that price. which seems unlikely right now, but we'll find out soon enough

>>958770

>IF they can't hit 60fps on their new cards

This is totally meaningless as it's up to the developer to choose the fps target. A GTX 8800 from 10 years ago can run 1440p@60 if the scene is simple enough. Gaymers are willing to eat shit as long as it's shiny so devs are happy to drop you into 'silky smooth' territory for a bit more pizzazz. That means that no matter how fast hardware gets, a new AAA game will still run at the same FPS on a new card (exceptions being for console ports that don't track PC hardware because zero fucks given).

>using proprietary nvidia poopware

go away

>>958732

Ignoring the gimmick, it's pretty safe to assume they've slotted them in at no more and no less performance than necessary. They have zero competition right now so can safely drag their feet way behind the state of the art and not take risks.

>>958436 (OP)

I've bought one nvidia card since 2004. Never again. Sticking to AMD for the rest of time. I used to think it was the poorfag choice, but honestly, nvidia is the retard with money choice. AMD is also going to keep getting my money as long as they have good OS drivers on GNU/Linux.

>>958831

>as long as they have good OS drivers on GNU/Linux

At some point between ATI and now they seem to have become the crashy shit Linux driver company. I have no trouble at all from our Jewvidia Linux desktops at work other than some settings not saving via the GUI on Debian.

>>958586

Me, still using a 770.

>>958809

This. I remember how many of the biggest N64 games hung around 15 FPS, capped at 20, and then a few rare gems like F-Zero X were built to maintain a locked 60, even if it required a rather spartan aesthetic.

Unlike then, hardware has been more than good enough throughout the 2010s that maxing out resolution and framerate is perfectly possible with very good looking graphics. There really is no excuse other than marketing bullshots.

>>958876

Framerate was one of the things that made the arcade version of Daytona USA look so good.

>>958809

>a new AAA game will still run at the same FPS on a new card

That's where you start dropping the eyecandy, but PC gamers went from performance tweaking hackers, cobbling together a solution that works even if it isn't pretty, to plug and play retards, who just install, run the autoconfig and start playing.

HAHAHAHA I SKIPPED PASCAL THANK GOD

https://youtu.be/mLIgfT04wsY

Df doesn't even mention the shit 30-60fps @ 1080p rtx mode on

>>958916

What gpu u running? I skipped Kepler and sold my Maxwell it sucked.

Asscal higher end is alright

>>958922

It needs a fully textured model to get sexy colored light bounces. So it'd have to be the real geometry or one of the LoD models. I don't think many devs will use that GI stuff, they'll just use it for prettier spot lights.

>>958436 (OP)

I don't know about the proprietary stuff. I'm specifically talking about the open source drivers, which nvidia lacks. ATI used to suck back in the day in this regard, not the case anymore.

>>958959

Meant for >>958842

Real time ray tracing...for all the new Soy Boy nuGamez with PC approved Diversity crammed in for maximum demographic exposure and sales?

Nah.

The latest gimmick seems to have created quite the buzz, though.

>>958982

you must be under impression that raytracing is something like voxel meme

this is pretty big

>>958985

I'm under the impression that all the sites are talking about it.

>>958586

>10 year old game

>force 4K on 1920x1080 monitor

>use reshade for fake HDR and other stuff

>looks fucking amazing

>down to 52 fps when lots of shit on screen

such is the life of a vidya connoisseur

Is there even a ppc64le driver blob for this?

>>>/trash/

>>958586

Would like to play some old shit in higher res and framerate but otherwise yeah new "games" have about as much worth as an entertainment form as having your balls sewn into a cloth that reads "I'm gay".

Can't wait for the "tech press" to fellate Novideo, telling us how great gay tracing is, after all they had no problem signing the new and improved NDA. Hardware Cucks is already shilling on tawtter after the nuTomb Raider leak. Funny thing. the Metro devs said they are aiming for 1080p 60fps for RTX features on a 2080TI LMAOF.

I still have a GTX 760, and don't have any pressing need to upgrade. Or the money.

Bought an RX 580 and never looking back. Nvidia can go fuck itself.

>>959700

I got a Vega 56 when my gtx 1080 dies

Fuck nvidia breh

>>959694

Such is a world where AMD is not competitive.

you wish you skipped this once 7nm hits

both NVIDIA and AMD

>>959734

12nm Zen is fast as fuck

5-3nm is what I'm waiting for

>>958436 (OP)

But will it require 2 cases to fit and the contacts will snap in half whenever I need to reseat the card?

>>959734

When is THAT coming out?

>>958518

imagine if a millenial saw a CRT

>woah duuuude all the text has that cool fringing effect!!1

What I don't get is how rtx looks visually worse despite meme ai aa and denoising

>>958518

Whoah, ultra gaming, must buy now so I can be an ultra gamer.

>>959694

Faster, but in good goy points, not in frames per second.

>>958718

>>958922

>>958442

well shitposting australia scientists experimentally proved that reality doesn't exist until observed so he's not wrong.

http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/experiment-confirms-quantum-theory-weirdness

>"At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it"

>>959798

Goyflops per pixel

Ray Tracing hardware does make a big difference. Its just not a very marketable difference. I expect this to be a relative failure in the consumer market but huge in the CGI and film industry as a way to improve workflow when working with lighting and shadows, things that are typically artistically expensive as well as computationally expensive to render out.

>>959837

>but huge in the CGI and film industry as a way to improve workflow when working with lighting and shadows, things that are typically artistically expensive as well as computationally expensive to render out.

The CGI film industry is already beyond what not-vidia offers via custom software and scripts.

And anyway, the big film companies are turning away from CGI effects to embrace the classic special effects again.

>>959839

>The CGI film industry is already beyond what not-vidia offers via custom software and scripts.

>implying enabling hardware-level raytracing doesn't open up the possibilities of more flexible automation

>the big film companies are turning away from CGI effects to embrace the classic special effects again.

I honestly hope you're right about that. I want to believe CGI special effects were a meme. Practical effects will always have superior suspension of disbelief with the tradeoff being more effort required

Fucking coin niggers ruining everything.

>>958436 (OP)

Vega 20 will have ~50% better compute than the RTX 2080ti (13.4tflops vs 20tflops) and twice the RAM. Really the only reason to get a 2080ti is if you use the CUDA Toolkit and don't want to pay 8 fucking thousand dollars for a V100.

>>958436 (OP)

Personal use? Very skip, already have a 1080Ti. Might end up needing something for ML at work, but since it's still 11GB it will need to be a lot faster than 1080Ti to warrant the price difference.

>>959652

The green goblin is preparing to brainwash the cattle via approved review sites and youtubers

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/

>>959845

Sauce?