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What in the everlasting fuck is it with modern websites?!
>cookie warnng popup
>newsletter popup
>download our app popup
>take a survey popup
>pls register account popup
99% of frontend developers deserve to be stabbed, hanged, shot, dismembered and shitted on at this point.
▶ No.915977>>915992 >>916221 >>916445
>>915975 (OP)
Cookie warning is required by European law.
▶ No.915984>>915988 >>915993 >>916046 >>916077 >>916113 >>917059 >>920228
Even worse is when I need to look something up on a phone.
>paragraph formatting is fucked
>ad that takes up whole screen follows as you scroll, no way to close
>side bar menu takes up half of screen, no way to close
>"Use our app" redirects to app store, no way to block
<disable javascript
<set profile to 'linux desktop'
>websites look fine but those that need JS are non functional
They are literally driving phones/tablets off the web and onto "apps" to cripple the web and keep their users penned in so they don't discover other platforms.
▶ No.915985>>917064 >>918110 >>919095
What you listed is just the tip of the fucking iceberg. It's things which you at least can see. There's at least an order of magnitude more botnet shit going on it the background (guess why "netbooks" from 8 years ago that are equipped with slowish Atom processors are lagged to shit and back when trying to cope with the """modern web"""). There's literally dozens of ways to track you by various means, at least one in two companies active on the internets is trying to do """big data""" and datamine lusers who fetch their content for as much info as technically possible.
▶ No.915988>>924033
>>915975 (OP)
You forgot:
>like our kikebook page popup
>one of our products are discounted, pls buy popup
>disabling scrolling in the process
and also:
<guilt-tripping
>>915984
Also:
>video ad suddenly pops up, no way to close
▶ No.915992>>916020 >>916395 >>916464 >>922425
>>915977
And it's a fucking useless law because you never get the chance to not agree and they never tell you what the cookies do. That's like saying "by walking into my visual range you agree to getting stabbed" and using that as a legal defense.
▶ No.915993>>916021 >>916028 >>916077
>>915984
For mobile Brave browser is the only partial solution. Has inbuilt adblock that works wonders.
▶ No.915997
>enabling javascript
Yeah, who would have thought that giving RCE power to a small cadre of web developers would let to them to abuse us? Lets keep using their shit but beg them to stop, that surely will change their behavior.
▶ No.916019>>916021 >>920265 >>923406 >>930238
> go do taxes
> This site uses cookies (OK/Cancel)?
> click ok and get second popup
> Thanks for accepting cookies! Do you want to configure cookie settings or learn more about these cookies?
No, I really just wanted to declare my taxes and gtfo of here.
> everpresent Firefox popup at the bottom
That one is lying, since I block all traffic to mozilla's sites. But it always pops up anyway, just to be annoying.
▶ No.916020
>>915992
Precisely because of that they made the GDPR law, which requires websites to give an option to not accept (and then honor Do Not Track by not creating any cookies at all), telling them which data they collect, why and how long; as well as giving an option to delete all data they have recorded of their users at any time.
▶ No.916021>>916029 >>919154
>>915993
DNS66 is a better solution because it blocks ads systemwide. Firefox Mobile has access to uBlock, so there's that.
>>916019
That popup appears because of some retarded about:config flag you put. It's not supposed to appear more than once.
>I block all traffic to Mozilla's sites
For what purpose? Firefox doesn't make any connections unless you enable Sync.
▶ No.916028>>916043
>>915993
What is adaway and ublock origin on Firefox?
▶ No.916029
>>916021
> Firefox doesn't make any connections
It did, there was traffic showing up in tcpdump, even though I never typed any URL in address bar (homepage was set to my home directory, not a website, so no trafffic at all should have existed).
The traffic stopped when I blackholed the domains in question in my local resolver.
Anyway I don't care enough to configure Firefox in any special way. It's a chore to use enough as it is, so I'm not gonna configure shit in a GUI. Someone else can waste time on it, I'll just block what I don't like. That's the only way to be sure anyway (settings can lie, bugs, etc.)
▶ No.916035
>>915975 (OP)
>wiki page has a giant auto-playing video at the top of the screen
>pause the video and scroll down
>video slides to the bottom corner of the screen and starts playing again while hovering over top of all of the text
It's not even an advertisement it's just some gay video related to the wiki page. Who the hell thought that was a good user experience?
▶ No.916041>>916042
>tfw I use Links as my main browser
Feels good.
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▶ No.916043
>>916028
Slow piece of shit, that's what it is.
▶ No.916046>>916074 >>916075 >>916113 >>917176 >>928027
>>915984
>They are literally driving phones/tablets off the web and onto "apps" to cripple the web and keep their users penned in so they don't discover other platforms.
I disagree with this being a bad thing. In my opinion a big problem with personal computing in general right now is that every single god damn thing has to be in the browser. Client software is better because the service can be better integrated with the overall system and there can be any number of different clients available to suit different needs and wants. Web pages should be PAGES, not entire programs jury rigged into a system that was never meant to be used that way. Cloud services are one thing but this obsession with everything being in the web browser needs to stop.
▶ No.916049
>>916042
No, on my laptop. Duh. How would even connect to the internet on a phone? You'd need to have one of those modern smart pieces of shit for that.
▶ No.916059>>916117
>>915975 (OP)
Worst part is adblockers miss a lot of these
▶ No.916060>>916061 >>916064 >>916068 >>916449 >>916923 >>928325 >>930241
All these things are designed to make money, so the culprit is capitalism.
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▶ No.916064>>916449
>>916060
>>916061
>implying he's wrong
▶ No.916068>>916449
>>916060
>if only we had communism, then the greedy fat fucks would go away and stop abusing other people!
▶ No.916073>>916155
Do you remember page hit counters on 90's geocities pages?
Das rite, third party tracking botnet. Why haven't you complained about them earlier, huh gramps? You dumbfuck Gen-X are responsible for what modern technology is today.
▶ No.916074>>916076 >>916712
>>916046
>this obsession with everything being in the web browser needs to stop
Well on mobile you got your wish, now everything is in Apps that you have to download. Want to check the weather real quick? Nope, need an app that required access to your bowel movements to give you a simple number.
▶ No.916075
>>916046
>what's webapps and electron clients
Everything can be done in a browser these days, it's easier to draw GUis in single browser framework that 10 different toolkits for 4 OSes.
▶ No.916076>>916081 >>916083 >>916097
>>916074
>Want to check the weather real quick?
Get a look outside your window and install a thermometer, sperg.
▶ No.916077>>916079 >>916082 >>916113 >>916224
>>915984
>>915993
Is this board unironically infested with phoneposters now?
▶ No.916079
>>916077
The entire website is. Try not to think about it too much, you'll fall into deep depression.
▶ No.916081>>916083 >>916090 >>916218
>>916076
Want to call a friend ?
Go outside and talk to him face to face.
▶ No.916082
>>916077
What am I supposed to do when I'm on my work, 5 miles away from the nearest computer connected to the internet?
▶ No.916083
>>916076
>>916081
Want to buy your Chinese laptop?
Go to the manufacturer in China, load it into your truck, and drive back home.
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▶ No.916090
>>916081
Weather outside your window is an equivalent of a friend sitting in next room.
▶ No.916097
>>916076
> Having windows in the basement
▶ No.916103
>>915975 (OP)
>popup
MAKE IT FUCKING STOP! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
▶ No.916113
>disable WebGL
>sites get faster
>>916077
I've been on imageboards since at least 2009 and if I'm in bed or away from my PC, then I'm going to browse from whatever is handy.
>>915984
Try Yuzu Browser. Adblocking, userscripts, pattern match URLs to change JavaScript/useragent/cookie settings, import/export bookmarks as HTML so you're not locked in to a Sync service, and a customizable interface. Also on github.
>>916046
This, but it's not that I want everyone to move to "apps" - what I really want is for this shit to never have happened in the first place. I miss when everything wasn't so fucking centralized. Sure, if somebody wanted to put videos out there on the web, why not? But put it on your own website, not on fucking jewtube.
▶ No.916117
>>916059
Yeah, even cookiemonster and fanboy's annoyances list fail a lot. Frontend homos keep pushing shit faster than lists update.
▶ No.916155>>917003
>>916073
Those things didn't work in Lynx, and back then most pages were functional in Lynx.
▶ No.916218>>930238
>>916081
>he uses a phone
>he uses social networks
>he likes to stay in touch
>with people he rarely sees in person
>when he does see them he has nothing to talk about
>he said all those things in txt
>lets all sit around on our phones and show each other memes because we have nothing to talk about
This is the world you chose.
▶ No.916221
>>915977
Here are the exceptions. Sensible non-tracking cookies don't need the warning.
▶ No.916224
>>916077
I bricked all my pooters tbh. I gotta post somehow while I'm reinstalling gentoo.
▶ No.916340
>>915975 (OP)
At least it's not flash
▶ No.916395>>916396 >>916626 >>931324
>>915992
>hee-hee, we use cookies to track you :^)
>your options are to accept it or fuck off :^)
-t. every website on the web
▶ No.916396>>931324
>>916395
Errrr I what I meant to say is we use cookies to improve the service for you, and nothing else :^)
▶ No.916445>>916631
>>915977
so make a complaint to the government instead of making your website into a retarded piece of shit with the most placebo warning message ever created
▶ No.916449>>916467
>>916061
>>916068
>>916064
>>916060
Nothing is stopping your from moving to a commune and trying your little experiment again. In the meantime,
>>>leftypol
▶ No.916464>>916634 >>922396
>>915992
It's a useless law because it doesn't even explain any real problem. cookies do not imply tracking. Lack of cookies do not imply lack of tracking. Whether a site uses cookies is utterly meaningless and only an imaginary symbolic concept for normalfag goyim to argue about with each other. Also it doesn't make sense when being viewed users where the law doesn't apply.
▶ No.916467>>928028
>>916449
>anti-capitalism
>left wing
lol no
▶ No.916626>>916692 >>916737
>>916395
How do cookies track users if literally every browser has DOM sandboxing and protection from cross-site reference forgeries. Don't tell me they "track" you using their website, because in the era of ipv6 they can see every user's address distinctively and just log all http requests for analytics.
▶ No.916631
>>916445
>make a complaint to the government
>this ever working
▶ No.916634
>>916464
>It's a useless law because it doesn't even explain any real problem.
You're naïvely assuming the stated rationale for this law has anything to do with actual reasons for it.
▶ No.916674
>>915975 (OP)
>What in the everlasting fuck is it with modern websites?!
Normalfag audience.
▶ No.916692>>916718
>>916626
Third-party cookies, mate. A tracker can set a cookie on one website and then read it on another.
▶ No.916712>>916898
>>916074
Yeah, and that's how it SHOULD be. Just because it's called an "app" doesn't make it any less correct and proper and right. General purpose web browsers are not UNIX. Executing code in a general purpose web browser is an abomination, since the entire purpose of the web is documents and documents are not code.
▶ No.916718
>>916692
Firefox has profile sandboxes to prevent that. Coincidentally, these are obscured and hidden from ordinary user.
▶ No.916737>>916753
>>916626
this is the most retarded bait i've ever seen
1. your stupid browser "security" technologies of the week aren't stopping shit
2. cookies are one of several million ways to track users, so it doesn't even matter what "advanced cookie policies" are ever implemented
3. nobody uses ipv6
4. even on ipv4 the IP address can be used to track people with a large degree of success in practice
▶ No.916753>>916877 >>916899 >>922751
>>916737
>1. your stupid browser "security" technologies of the week aren't stopping shit
It's literally new browser instance with snapshot/clear profile made for every new website.
>2. cookies are one of several million ways to track users, so it doesn't even matter what "advanced cookie policies" are ever implemented
Very much true, my good sir. There is absolutely no way to battle first-party js trackers, and if you use NoScript, you stick from the crowd when visiting normie websites, i.e anywhere but /tech/ boards on deepweb sites like 8gag.
>3. nobody uses ipv6
Maybe in your 3rd world shithole, Daquan.
>4. even on ipv4 the IP address can be used to track people with a large degree of success in practice
True, but commercial VPNs as extra proxy after Tor exits ensure you stay blend with the crowd.
▶ No.916871
You forgot
>We have changed our privacy policy for the EU shit going on popup
▶ No.916877
>>916753
I want to correct just one thing:
>blocking JS makes you stick out
It doesn't as long as no one checks it. I don't think they have automatization in place for that.
And less cancer is less cancer.
It's like saying: "I can see that you don't have cancer". While that may be true, it doesn't prove anything and there are a lot of people who don't have cancer either even in a cancer clinic.
▶ No.916894>>916896 >>916898 >>916901 >>916911
>want to order pizza
>website is unencrypted even with https everywhere and requires running nonfree JS.
Forget it.
▶ No.916896>>916911 >>916932
>>916894
>tfw the botnet wants me to starve
▶ No.916898>>916907
>>916712
The whole "apps" thing is where the web went full retard. Most sites don't need to be a browser "app". I used to buy stuff on ebay just fine without javascript. They simply did all the work on the server-side, using standard web forms on the client. Then they decided to make it more fancy and complicated, and that's where it all went to hell.
>>916894
Prime example. Web form is enough to select pizza/toppings and put in your credit card info. It's a simple order and not rocket science. I personally wrote a much more intricate ecommerce web software in the early 2000's, with a whole lot more details needed and shit going on in the background than a fucking pizza. I did it all with plain HTML. I even tested my shit in Lynx, just to be sure.
▶ No.916899
>>916753
every one of your points is retarded, shut the fuck up.
▶ No.916901
>>916894
>site doesn't have placebo pretend encryption
oh no...
▶ No.916903
>>915975 (OP)
>What in the everlasting fuck is it with modern websites?!
Javascript and datamining.
▶ No.916907>>916909 >>917220
>>916898
>The whole "apps" thing is where the web went full retard. Most sites don't need to be a browser "app". I used to buy stuff on ebay just fine without javascript. They simply did all the work on the server-side, using standard web forms on the client. Then they decided to make it more fancy and complicated, and that's where it all went to hell.
Exactly why its CORRECT for these "apps" to be standalone installable programs and software instead of some frankenstein junkheap of HTML and JS frameworks that's interpreted by your increasingly bloated and cancerous "web browser".
▶ No.916909>>917227
>>916907
But that is what modern apps are, they just bundle a copy of chrome.
▶ No.916923>>916935 >>916990 >>917181 >>930230
>>915975 (OP)
>What in the everlasting fuck is it with modern websites?!
What isn't it with modern websites?
As always, it's because of normalfags and their shit technology and lack of standards and morals.
>>916060
Well, this guy is mostly right. In a society that puts money first, you're going to have garbage technology, because selling shit that appeals to the masses will always make more money in a rich society than selling quality. Capitalism is fucking trash, inherently, even though it's still necessary. It only works well when people realize that being rich isn't necessary and that money isn't important, or when people simply can't afford to waste money on shitty material possessions that they don't need.
Poverty would solve all of the world's current problems, from immigration to consumerism to the government and corporations trying to control everything. It would all be instantly solved if the economy collapsed. The only thing that I want, politically, is for that to happen. I want everyone to be poor, struggling to survive, and for all economies and governments to implode so we can build something more rational and less wasteful, and actually give a shit about quality again. Everyone should have a small amount of resources, and smart people should gain the advantage by using their resources more efficiently.
▶ No.916932
>>916896
How would Skynet establish communism otherwise?
▶ No.916935
>>916923
Why would they build something rational? It's not like anybody learned anything. That's why market bubbles keep happening, it's only the details that change.
▶ No.916964>>916990
clients demand this shit. developers just put it there because that's what you've got to do to make money.
most web devs don't have any say in the look/feel of the website, they get told what to do via the marketing department.
▶ No.916990>>930230
>>916923
>Capitalism is fucking trash, inherently, even though it's still necessary.
<ideology that has existed for only a few centuries after the end of the medieval period is neccessary
shut the fuck up
>>916964
most web shotters (from frontend to backend) unironically believe the sites they make function well and look good, but yes you are right too
▶ No.917003
>>916155
You know what else is functional in Lynx? Motherfucking gopher. Gopher is fully functional in Lynx. It's like information heaven.
▶ No.917009>>917061 >>917064 >>917104 >>918110
Running uMatrix really shows you the disgusting underbelly of the web. Maybe it should be called uMatryoshka because of how often a site only works after you've approved a thing that triggers another thing that triggers another thing that triggers another that triggers another thing, and only after you have approved all of these (across many different domains) does the site work well enough.
▶ No.917026>>917062
The real question is how do we block those annoying neo-popups?
▶ No.917059
>>915984
One thing that helps is to have another app store installed (F-droid) and NEVER set a default association with the app store intent. It is inconvenient when you actually want to link to the app store, but it prevents websites from automatically opening the Play store.
Still doesn't de-shittify the web, though. That might take some beatings...
▶ No.917061
>>917009
T H I S
H
I
S
Also functionality is more and more often intertwined with botnet shit, so that the former breaks if the latter is blocked.
▶ No.917062
>>917026
I'm sure popup blockers block them these days. I just turn off JS and most of the useful web works for me anyway. No need for any browser addons (bloat).
▶ No.917064>>918110
>>917009
>Running uMatrix really shows you the disgusting underbelly of the web.
Yes. Then you get to see what >>915985 was talking about.
▶ No.917103>>917108 >>917201 >>917246 >>919152
Skeuomorphism
Websites that looked like a document not like an 'app'
Websites not hogging 100% of my cpu because shitty unoptimized javascript
Websites not having to download 50MB of javascript
A 64K gprs mobile connection being enough to browse
100MB of mobile data lasting for the entire month
Web browsers not taking up half the ram on your system
Not having to zoom out every website because i dont have a 4K super HD® display
Ad blocking being easy
Websites with dark themes
Media not being 1984'ed by femminists communists etc
Freedom of speech
CRTs
Having to actually have basic technical knowledge to use a computer/the internet
Users knowing what a router is
Forums having some kind of useful discussion
Content not being monopolized by companies to squeeze every penny out of everything
Independent websites
Using clients instead of shitty hacked-together JS
Web browsers not sending every page in your history as a 'referrer'
Websites without cuckbook buttons
RSS feeds
Actually fun videogames
No "buy this" "buy that" "expansion pack" "dlc" "in app purchase" "microtransacction" "pay2win" "gabe newell suck my dick"
Wikipedia not being a propaganda machine
90% of traffic not going to 6 websites
Being able to find quality communities not russian-only or japanese-only
▶ No.917104
>>917009
You forget about Noscript, Request Policy Continiued, UBlock origin, it's helper for uM-x.
▶ No.917108>>917246
>>917103
None of this has anything to do with skeuomorphism.
▶ No.917123
>>915975 (OP)
When I do frontend, I try to steer my employers away from this shit as often as possible.
Don't shoot all of us. Some of us are fighting the good fight.
The alternative is to walk away and let the world go to shit even faster. I'm not prepared for that yet.
▶ No.917176>>917246
>>916046
>In my opinion a big problem with personal computing in general right now is that every single god damn thing has to be in the browser
The reason is simple: why develop software you have to port if you can develop write-once, deploy everywhere bloated software targeting browsers?
▶ No.917181>>917200 >>919158 >>930230
>>916923
>In a society that puts money first
This
is the problem. When the profit motive becomes unhinged from your goal (which happens in 90% of the cases for anything commercial), you get shit.
>people realize that being rich isn't necessary
<necessary
the goal*
>I want everyone to be poor, struggling to survive, and for all economies and governments to implode so we can build something more rational and less wasteful
So you want something similar to rationing. I believe it most likely wouldn't pan out; most people would be busy gouging each other for the few shiny iPhones or whatever that do get produced to bother. Also rioting, and crime would soar.
▶ No.917200
>>917181
Money is a direct measurement of one thing: do you provide product and service that people are willing to pay for or use and do it in sustainable manner so that you don't go bancrupt in process? If not, no money. If yes, money. Hardly a problem. If anything this frontend webdev shit going on currently doesn't help that goal at all. All the web services on solid footing rarely if ever spam you with shit (think: Github, Azure, AWS, Google, Bing, Crunchy, Viki, MAL, Softpedia...)
▶ No.917201>>917246 >>918149 >>920255 >>922487
>>917103
>Skeuomorphism
Dumb boomers could not comprehend the computing paradigm, so programmers had to mimic the meatspace for them
>Websites that looked like a document not like an 'app'
Dumb boomers could not comprehend the computing paradigm, so programmers had to mimic the meatspace for them with shit like diskette for save button and home icon for start page
>Websites not hogging 100% of my cpu because shitty unoptimized javascript
Block js mining hosts and be sure, your browser chooses the right codecs when playing videos. it's not their fault you have a decade-old computer that demands 5GiB 8-bit h264 video instead of optimized 700MiB HEVC
>Websites not having to download 50MB of javascript
Show me one. Modern websites are optimized for phoneposters and users in Africa or Pajeetistan, they have sub-dialup speeds there
>A 64K gprs mobile connection being enough to browse
Shrink your window to turn on the mobile view
>100MB of mobile data lasting for the entire month
Still viable
>Web browsers not taking up half the ram on your system
Stop using Chrome
>Not having to zoom out every website because i dont have a 4K super HD® display
Show an example. Responsive grid looks good on all standard window sizes, even on XGA
>Ad blocking being easy
Add domains to your hosts file
>Websites with dark themes
S P A C E background and yellow font is not a "dark theme". Most mid-2000's business websites had white background and tacky 3d buttons for skeumorphism, see above
>Media not being 1984'ed by femminists communists etc
>muh gommies
Non-argument, USSR disbanded itself with help of US democracy and international jewry in 1991
>Freedom of speech
There is freedom of speech, use mediums that technically make censorship unfeasible (Freenet, i2p)
>CRTs
Eyestrain, nigger
>Having to actually have basic technical knowledge to use a computer/the internet
You still have to. Web is not whole Internet and never was.
>Users knowing what a router is
Those boxes your ISP gives out for free are actually not just routers, they are Ethernet switch + router + DOCSIS/ADSL modem/PON ONT + 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/d/j access point and sometimes ftp-based NAS
>Forums having some kind of useful discussion
Stop shitposting and start one
>Content not being monopolized by companies to squeeze every penny out of everything
Your bain Mandela'd the dotcom bubble?
>Independent websites
Host your own and be independent
>Using clients instead of shitty hacked-together JS
Use your clients, m8. Image/webboards have been a JS-ridden clusterfuck since 90's. Fucking kusaba or whatever first engines were called didn't even display post replies in plain html, blazechan does it for free.
>Web browsers not sending every page in your history as a 'referrer'
Proofs or didn't happen
>Websites without cuckbook buttons
You're using wrong websites and then complain about them
>RSS feeds
Still strong, but unfortunately, highly inefficient because of XML
>Actually fun videogames
You're just getting older, gramps. If those games were fun and great, you can still play them today, it's not like you played every game out there, right?
>No "buy this" "buy that" "expansion pack" "dlc" "in app purchase" "microtransacction" "pay2win" "gabe newell suck my dick"
Okay, back to >>>/v/, child
>Wikipedia not being a propaganda machine
Stop reading wikipedia in cuck languages (English, German), see edit history for vital article changes
>90% of traffic not going to 6 websites
FREE MARKET
>Being able to find quality communities not russian-only or japanese-only
Woah really shows the power of Anglosphere!
▶ No.917220>>917227
>>916907
The "apps" are the website hard coded in chrome.
▶ No.917227
>>917220
>>916909
Jesus christ you faggots not every app is built in electron.
▶ No.917246>>918213 >>931324
>>917103
>Web browsers not sending every page in your history as a 'referrer'
You mean "referer" :^)
network.http.sendRefererHeader;0
>No "buy this" "buy that" "expansion pack" "dlc" "in app purchase" "microtransacction" "pay2win" "gabe newell suck my dick"
also: No playing video games to unlock skins instead of to play the game (lol I'm not playing this mode because it doesn't give me any points XD)
>>917176
no you don't even remotely require web to make your code portable. and webshit has tons of portability issues just as well as any other cross platform solution (such as C or Java)
>>917108
you're right, it should be called niggermorphism
>>917201
kill yourself you stupid redditor. all your points are retarded as fuck
>Block js mining hosts
this is not even remotely the reason the web is slow. any platform where 99% of the media is running a bunch of shitcode made by pajeets as well as expensive bullshit like CSS 123.0 is guaranteed to fuck your CPU
>your browser chooses the right codecs when playing videos. it's not their fault you have a decade-old computer that demands 5GiB 8-bit h264 video instead of optimized 700MiB HEVC
shut the fuck up. a 10 year old computer is 2008, which is still very fast. even an 18 year old computer is suitable for most tasks aside from high graphics video games. the issue has nothing at all to do with video. go on the new reddit for example, you will not be able to browser it on anything but high end hardware
>it's uncommon for websites to load 50mb to show 3 paragraphs of text and a 1mb image
false. and i'm not going to look for an example because if I turned on JS and started opening pages it would literally take 30 minutes of opening pages, watching my browser freeze, waiting 10 seconds for devtools to open so i can see the profiling information, etc
>Shrink your window to turn on the mobile view
that will work on 1 in N (20? 200?) websites
>100MB of mobile data lasting for the entire month [for web browsing]
>still viable
shut the fuck up
>only chrome uses high RAM
shut the fuck up
>CRTs cause eye strain
no, the refresh rate being higher than something like 85Hz prevents this for most people. also calculator screens have no eye strain because they are sample-and-hold, but that's unsuitable for showing animation (everything will be blurred). the solution to this is what new screens are doing - motion blur reduction (ULMB, ELMB, etc) - which brings back flicker, and the solution once again is to go high Hz: most of them only work at 120Hz or higher
>>Media not being 1984'ed by femminists communists etc
>>muh gommies
>Non-argument, USSR disbanded itself with help of US democracy and international jewry in 1991
the new "feminist" movement and any type of recent "equality" movement is just communism. they claim whites and people without gender modifications are the new kulaks. they (more or less, we haven't seen much violent examples yet aside from the BLM guy who sniped a bunch of white cops) want to engage in class struggle and purge people of selected kulak classes. of course this movement is retarded so i'll be surprised if it ever takes off beyond faggots censoring stuff online because it contains words they don't like
>>Websites without cuckbook buttons
>You're using wrong websites and then complain about them
you don't seem to understand the problem
>he doesn't like microtransactions
>go to /v/ XD
kill yourself
>>90% of traffic not going to 6 websites
>FREE MARKET
kill yourself
▶ No.917297
>>915975 (OP)
The latter 4 exist because of the devs' bosses. Stab them instead if you hate that stuff so much.
▶ No.917710
>move your mouse back up or indicate somehow that you're about to close the tab
>PLS STAY PLS SUBSCRIBE popup
▶ No.918110>>918111 >>918973 >>927886
>>915985
>>917009
>>917064
I refuse to open any browser without uMatrix. Without it you have no clue what's going on with the internet and how you're connecting to facebook/google/amazon/cloudflare/mixpanel/microsoft on nearly every fucking bloated js to display text site. Every other "muh privacy" extension is a fucking joke and placebo.
▶ No.918111>>918117 >>918149 >>918153
>>918110
Or you could just block them with unbound, and use Links. The *best* solution is to stop using the web, opting for Lynx + gopher.
▶ No.918117>>918121
>>918111
Or block EVERYTHING instead of getting aids from one of the thousands of alternative addresses they use that I didn't block.
▶ No.918121
>>918117
The reason I piped the output of cat to wc was to show that I am indeed blocking pretty much every malicious domain. I have a script that fetches this weekly:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StevenBlack/hosts/master/alternates/fakenews-gambling-porn-social/hosts
It then uses sed and awk to change it to the syntax unbound recognizes.
▶ No.918149>>918152
>>917201
802.11a/b/g/n/ac/d/j
Goddamn by best wifi card is only 802.11ac.
>>918111
>google.ca
I know who you are, leaf.
▶ No.918152
>>918149
It just happens to be the second most common google.* domain, a couple months ago a site redirected me to it and I went apoplectic. This is why I decided to specifically block it.
▶ No.918153>>918166 >>918211
>>918111
Unbound is overkill for single local machine. Did you even read the manpage? I'm pretty sure it says that and that its meant for routers. What you are looking for is pf.
▶ No.918166
>>918153
I used pf tables for a time but I find unbound to be more simple.
▶ No.918211>>918223
>>918153
Unbound is fine as a caching DNS. Maybe there are smaller ones, but this one comes with OpenBSD, so I use it.
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE WAIT TIME CPU COMMAND
12738 _unbound 2 0 19M 24M idle kqread 0:26 0.00% unbound
▶ No.918213>>918971
>>917246
>kill yourself
>shut the fuck up
>shut the fuck up
>shut the fuck up
>kill yourself
>kill yourself
Lefties in nutshell. This is why we need Sweetie Squads fast.
▶ No.918221>>918223 >>918226 >>918228
>918211
>but this one comes with OpenBSD
So does pf? The anon I replied to wasn't using it as a DNS resolver, he was using it as a packet filter. Certainly unbound makes sense at the router level where instead of blocking for every computer that tries to connect you stop its address from resolving. But on your own local machine it makes no sense to use it to block packets when that is the job of pf.
▶ No.918223
>>918221
>>918211
fucked up the backlink
▶ No.918226
>>918221
I'm using it as my DNS resolver. I should have mentioned this before, but my ISP doesn't allow the use of my own router (and there is nothing but them in my area)...
▶ No.918228
>>918221
You might not get all the IPs into a pf table if they use round-robin DNS for the domain you want to block. You'll only populate your pf table with whatever IPs they happened to return at the time.
▶ No.918971>>922387
>>918213
who said anything about american politics, you insufferable faggot?
▶ No.918973>>919096 >>919118
>>918110
no, umatrix is just another "muh privacy" extension. i fully understand what's going on, and I don't need umatrix to find out. also umatrix only gives you one metric which is not nearly the full picture
▶ No.919095>>919147
>>915985
>>915985
>"netbooks" from 8 years ago that are equipped with slowish Atom processors are lagged to shit and back when trying to cope with the """modern web""").
My acer zg5 died recently. It was the best slackware machine i ever owned. but i taxed the processor 100% all the time and it died.
▶ No.919096>>919136 >>919148
>>918973
>I'm aware of what's going on so I don't need uMatrix
What new form of retardation is this?
▶ No.919118>>919145
>>918973
faggot, you're probably baiting, but you do know it actually blocks things right?
▶ No.919136>>919148 >>922729
>>919096
Classic leddit logic. Jewgle and Kikebook have a huge profile of him but don't worry, he "knows what's going on".
▶ No.919145>>919149 >>919157 >>926632
>>919118
It does block things, however it does so on a hit-and-miss basis by default. It's fine if a site just uses third-party Javascript for some tracking/datamining/other botnet purposes, but most sites these days also use some third-party JS for functionality, and they are broken by default. You then have to fiddle around and reenable things and keep reloading the page to see if it now works (and even if it appears to, it might still not really be working completely, or something might not work again as you keep clicking other things etc.). Every now and then you visit a site where you just need a guarantee that it'll work properly, and for that you have to simply disable uMatrix (and it doesn't even allow you to do it easily like uBlock does, but you need to go to your extensions settings and turn it off globally).
▶ No.919147
>>919095
Yes, the N270 Atom CPU is just a horrible wimp when it has to deal with "modern" JS-heavy sites, it just lags and lags and lags with CPU load pegged to 100% most of the time (lightweight Linux or XP don't help much if at all given it's a web problem, and neither do things like Palemoon, uBlock and uMatrix).
▶ No.919148
>>919096
>ur retarded cuz u dont use my latest memeware
so you're the degenerate offspring of the people who used noscript 10 years ago
>>919136
no, i don't use any of those services, i browsed only over tor for the past 10 years, i use Links and firecuck forks with js turned off (1 line of config) and referers [sic] disabled (1 line of config) and cookies disabled (1 line of config). what i mean by i know what's going on is that i know how the code of most sites works and most of the 10000 retarded things web browsers do. the real solution anyway is to write scrapers like youtube-dl for every website that exists. they will be better in every way than using a real web browser (e.g faster, 0.0001% resource usage of a real web browser, more secure, more features, actually composable as opposed to webshit)
▶ No.919149
>>919145
You're an idiot. If you have to reenable the things to make a page work, then you and the owners of the website are doing it wrong. The owners of the website have proven that they are intentionally designed to be defective. If this is the case, you should simply ignore that website and move on with your time to some other website that isn't designed to be defective.
▶ No.919152
>>917103
>Web browsers not sending every page in your history as a 'referrer'
Is that actually a thing?
▶ No.919154
▶ No.919157>>919160
>>919145
>and it doesn't even allow you to do it easily
Are you actually retarded or just pretending?
▶ No.919158
>>917181
>people realize that being rich isn't necessary
Unless you're rich your future is uncertain. You might not be able to own a home or pay doctors or lawyers once you happen to be in need of saving your property, freedom, health or life.
▶ No.919160>>919164 >>922562
>>919157
>for this scope
It doesn't guarantee umatrix won't meddle with the website as you are moving around there and load other pages etc. Only foolproof method in a situaton when not breaking any functionality is critical is to disable the extension.
▶ No.919164
>>919160
You're wrong. Their website is designed to be broken. Don't play into their game by releasing the restrictions in order to "fix the website functions".
▶ No.920228
>>915984
that's the problem wth the malwarephone itself.
>use js to redirect to a market:// protocol which opens up playstore botnet apps
>for some reason it would automatically download for whatever exploit they're using
>soyboy webdevs can't even implement a proper mobile platform while the ads who detect your mobile user agent would abuse javascript (google allows to report abusive ads though most ads aren't google analytics)
>>915975 (OP)
I know right. I miss 2006 internets when non-movie clip GIFs like that dancing spiderman / naked angel, and animated emoticons were still a thing
emojis these days are still-image and can't even implement animated png while most emoji artists can't get into frame animation
▶ No.920239>>920278
>>915975 (OP)
Blame the fucking eurotrash that think they need to regulate the internet.
▶ No.920255>>920257 >>922374
>>917201
>Dumb boomers could not comprehend the computing paradigm, so programmers had to mimic the meatspace for them
>Dumb boomers could not comprehend the computing paradigm, so programmers had to mimic the meatspace for them with shit like diskette for save button and home icon for start page
redditor detecteed.
>doesn't understand what a boomer is
boomer generation were preceded by worldwar oldfag generation
the only thing baby boomers did was repopulation after the world war conflict became irrelevant.
>Block js mining hosts and be sure, your browser chooses the right codecs when playing videos. it's not their fault you have a decade-old computer that demands 5GiB 8-bit h264 video instead of optimized 700MiB HEVC
A poor script can fuck a cpu or even leak memories. Codecs are irrelevant here.
>Show me one. Modern websites are optimized for phoneposters and users in Africa or Pajeetistan, they have sub-dialup speeds there
Clearly you haven't seen the worst one yet. there are ads that used animated GIF if it detects your browser doesn't have flash (because it's already dead)
Now guess how much data a 256-color animated GIF takes not even including the webgl ads and "20MB of bootstrap.js/resources" that weren't even gzip'd nor minified
>Shrink your window to turn on the mobile view
AFAIK a GSM modem connection won't even load a "pajeet" mobile version or a .mobi page anymore. Even EDGE suffers the same problem. CDMA and LTE were both a fucking obvious botnet
>100MB
>Still viable
unless you only use mobile data for email, text, and nothing else
>Stop using Chrome
all web modern browsers suck and we know it
>Show an example. Responsive grid looks good on all standard window sizes, even on XGA
Try tree tabs or left/right panel bars and see first hand what op's referring to.
These pajeet devs don't even use 100% width div on css and just use whichever resolution is detected from their screen fingerprinting botnet they got as default from some bootstrap botnet
>Add domains to your hosts file
isn't fail safe enough unless you block a /subnet or ASN. most routers have shit firewall these days and can only add up to 10 IPs (if it can't download a hosts file).
if you blocked youtube or google you'd just get redirected into the nearest country server unless you plan on blocking their entire ASN
>S P A C E background and yellow font is not a "dark theme". Most mid-2000's business websites had white background and tacky 3d buttons for skeumorphism, see above
To be honest there are no mainstream websites with dark theme except youtube though the dark theme is only available for a select few (maybe mastodon uses dark themes).
>muh gommies
it's cultural marxism. left right identity politics are both trash illusion made to veil authority vs freedom.
>There is freedom of speech, use mediums that technically make censorship unfeasible (Freenet, i2p)
true but even shit like securedrop which is promoted by (((edward snowden))) is ZOG-owned and securely drops all high potential threat journalists dead.
>CRTs
>Eyestrain, nigger
Unless your electricity's hertz is shit. Some CRTs are good. I'd rather hear earstrain as the unintentional radiator secretes that disgusting high pitch
▶ No.920257>>920273 >>922374
>>920255
(cunt.)
>Those boxes your ISP gives out for free are actually not just routers, they are Ethernet switch + router + DOCSIS/ADSL modem/PON ONT + 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/d/j access point and sometimes ftp-based NAS
True but what they meant is probably:
>normalniggers don't know the difference between a WiFi, WLAN, Mobile data.
They usually think having WiFi turned on would take up their mobile data.
Those routers that most ISPs provide these days are just remote gateway CPE. It means they MitM and you are accessing the CPE from miles away and this can be proven once your CPE/Gateway adress goes gateway timeout 504 or 404. It just acts as a bridge and is not even using the built-in CPE / router OS.
>Forums having some kind of useful discussion
>Stop shitposting and start one
Most active forums are fetish forums like deviantart or furry shit
Everything else is reddit or unironic weebpill.
>Content not being monopolized by companies to squeeze every penny out of everything
>Your bain Mandela'd the dotcom bubble?
Wrong. Most content providers like youtube or facebook DO NOT provide content. It's the people who upload shit.
Squeeze thousands out of your content then gives you a centavo. They can even lie about how much views/reach you made and even manipulate the reach if you try to pay to advertise your own content/channel.
>Independent websites
>Host your own and be independent
Host your own is near-impossible since most routers ban service ports plus that gateway thingy I discussed before which means you could access the router but NEVER the administrative account of the router which lets you open ports.
>Using clients instead of shitty hacked-together JS
>Use your clients, m8. Image/webboards have been a JS-ridden clusterfuck since 90's. Fucking kusaba or whatever first engines were called didn't even display post replies in plain html, blazechan does it for free.
Shill your IB somewhere, reddit
>Web browsers not sending every page in your history as a 'referrer'
>Proofs or didn't happen
that anon's not entirely correct though
A N O N D O E S N T K N O W
anonym.to
>Websites without cuckbook buttons
>You're using wrong websites and then complain about them
Even government websites that provide useful shit have 'em.
>>Actually fun videogames
>You're just getting older, gramps. If those games were fun and great, you can still play them today, it's not like you played every game out there, right?
>>No "buy this" "buy that" "expansion pack" "dlc" "in app purchase" "microtransacction" "pay2win" "gabe newell suck my dick"
>Okay, back to >>>/v/, child
I'd agree with you this time. Most of these millenial gen are retarded enough to even step up and takeover this generation
>Wikipedia not being a propaganda machine
>Stop reading wikipedia in cuck languages (English, German), see edit history for vital article changes
Wikipedia is kike owned.
>90% of traffic not going to 6 websites
>FREE MARKET
Yes. Though they'd patent troll or sue you to death even make you commit (((suicide))) while your source code falls off to some jewish tech group which takes over your project
>Being able to find quality communities not russian-only or japanese-only
>Woah really shows the power of Anglosphere!
Being a polyglot is the best solution
▶ No.920265
>>916019
>using goyzilla firecuck
>not furrymoon browser
▶ No.920273>>922374 >>928377
>>920257
> Host your own is near-impossible since most routers ban service ports plus that gateway thingy I discussed before which means you could access the router but NEVER the administrative account of the router which lets you open ports.
You can host a service on any port you want, it doesn't have to be 80 for web, 22 for ssh, etc. But in practice, I've never experienced any port blocking when I tried to host any service at home, except for outgoing connections to port 25 (smtp) other than the ISP's own server.
▶ No.920278
>>920239
>Blame the fucking eurotrash that think they need to regulate the internet.
You better not be american.
▶ No.922374
>>920255
>doesn't understand what a boomer is
The boomers are people born between 1950 and 1960, they were around their 30-40-s in late 80's working as office drones knowing nothing more than a typewriter, paper documents and folders. It means that young software developers and programmers had to come up with inefficient skeumorphisms to lure those folks into using computers, notice how child-oriented home computers of that time were getting fine without dumb GUIs.
>Now guess how much data a 256-color animated GIF takes not even including the webgl ads and "20MB of bootstrap.js/resources" that weren't even gzip'd nor minified
There is an initiative started by faceberg to provide web access in pajeetistans and Africa, they have some guidelines on how to make lightweight websites:
https://info.internet.org
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/participation-guidelines
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/platform-technical-guidelines
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/how-to-submit
>>920257
>anonym.to
>letting literally whos know what links your website users are visiting
Totally not a honeypot, amirite, fellow agents?
Turning off href can be done either on website itself, or via user-side plugins.
>>920273
Hosting over NAT can be resolved with dynamic DNS providers or just rent a good VPS for 100% uptime.
▶ No.922387
>>918971
Leftism is a psychopathic mindset. You are demonstrating it perfectly.
▶ No.922396>>922452
>>916464
>cookies do not imply tracking
And the European law doesn't force you to make pop-ups about those particular cookies. Why don't you know what the law is about instead of just forming your opinion on /pol/? Like, why don't you research your shit?
▶ No.922425
>>915992
You can not agree. Consent cannot be implicit either. But that's if you're in the EU only.
▶ No.922452>>922600
>>922396
because i don't give a fuck about the specifics of some inane law. so you're saying if i use cookies to "track" people (whatever that means), I have to put a retarded warning that just makes the site shittier and normalfags click through/ignore it? okay great, now what happens if i track people without cookies. what if i use localstorage, what if i use fingerprinting? do i need a popup? probably not because i've never seen a site that does this.
▶ No.922487
>>917201
So this is the power of /tech/ (brought to you by some corporate damage control shill).
▶ No.922562
>>919160
Oh, if that's the case then
▶ No.922600>>922992
>>922452
>what if i use localstorage, what if i use fingerprinting? do i need a popup?
From May 25th, you have present such a popup to EU users. Don't want to have to do it? Don't track users in the first place. It really sounds like you're complaining for the sake of it.
▶ No.922634>>922660
recently got some 'update your non-botnet browser to a new botnet one like sorosfox or botnetchrome' popup
just install a useragent addon then use mobile phone ua. your only problem would be the screen resolution doesn't match the phone ua screen resolution so you have to spoof.
▶ No.922660
>>922634
>enabling scripts
You asked for it.
▶ No.922729>>922734
>>919136
>Jewgle and Kikebook know everything I am interested in, everything I search and all my social graph, but at least they don't know my screen resolution from html5 canvas. That'll got em, bois!
▶ No.922734>>922739 >>930238
>>922729
This is something that _really_ bothers me - why do people think that Google is in *any* way benevolent? How can people forget they're a FOR-PROFIT corporation that makes 95%+ of their (exorbitant) income from ads and tracking? To put it in perspective: they're valued at 800 *billion* dollars - and they made this money outright exploiting the average knuckle dragger (who suspects nothing). They got away with it too, because the laws are antiquated.
▶ No.922739>>922853
>>922734
I'm not doing anything ilegal so it's not a problem! XD
▶ No.922740
>use tor browser
>most exits are in europistan
>visit some normalfag freedomistan websites
>gdpr cookie pop-up taking whole screen
>it's actually a placeholder page, can't be hidden or removed, all buttons work only with javascript
>have to cycle through exit nodes for 2 minutes like an autist to find some slow node in liberia to finally load those 12 lines of text I was looking for
*le trump frog croaking*
▶ No.922751>>922757
>>916753
>Daquan
That's not ven a third world name, it's an American name. Why would any non-english speaking country have that name in their lexicon?
▶ No.922757
>>922751
>implying trumpistan is not third world
shiggy diggy
▶ No.922853
▶ No.922992>>923434 >>930238 >>931087
>>922600
no. it's called free speech you communist faggot. NN, GDPR, or whatever latest reddit fad they just came out with, are all irrelevant and solve no real problem aside from made up problems americans pretend to care about so they can have something to talk about. go back to reddit or your homosexual [H]ardforum, etc
▶ No.923395>>923396
>scroll down
>auto plays videos as you do
>video takes over half the page
>if reading article, there's a link to "LOL READ THIS" right in the fucking middle
>popup bitching about ublock being installed
>some sites ublock goes batshit after 2 minutes, can see 200+ items blocked
>some sites still using Flash
If you Langley faggots let me borrow one of your black sites, I'd like to hold some "developers" there for a few hours playing "Puddi Puddi" on repeat for 2 weeks.
▶ No.923396
>>923395
disregard "few hours" it would be weeks
polite sage for not having my coffee yet
▶ No.923401
As shitty as the state of the web is, imagine how much worse it'd be if Flash was still a thing.
▶ No.923406
>>916019
>doing your taxes like a good goy
>not just funneling it all ten times around the globe to your imaginary laundry factory in zimbabwe and declaring it all as investment losses so you can milk the state for gibs
it's like you love being raped by the government
▶ No.923434>>923466 >>930238
>>922992
Free speech is overrated and doesn't really exist. Either state enforces restrictions or (((concerned citizens))) and their lackey organizations.
Scrapping it, spitting on that stupid concept and bringing about dotr together with book bonfires, doxxing of liberal Wikipedia admins and editors, making an example of them and leftist media agitators and so forth. That's what they do to us, that's what we need to do to them ten thousand fold.
▶ No.923466>>924028
>>923434
look at that persecution complex. row row fight da powah.
▶ No.924028>>930238
>>923466
You absolutely can not ever openly flaunt around certain topics in the public in unacceptable manner without severe consequences, legal or not.
http://paulgraham.com/say.html
▶ No.924033>>924046
>>915988
>>915975 (OP)
Remember when blocking popups was a big business venture and actually sold browsers?
▶ No.924046>>924158
>>924033
that must explain why firecuck still can't block popups in 2018
all you can do is set dom.popup_allowed_events to empty string but that just partially works while breaking certain things as well. they had a "block popups" option in the official settings menu for 15 years but recently got rid of it
▶ No.924068>>924084
>>915975 (OP)
>What in the everlasting fuck is it with modern websites?!
>be me
>client site
>plenty of time in analysis
>unit tests
>beautiful and clean
<Anon we need it tomorrow the big boss is freaking out!!!!
>time to hack some shit together again
Repeat until current year.
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▶ No.924158
>>924046
Popup blocking works for me. I don't know what website you go to which will bypass the block without your explicit intervention.
▶ No.924265>>924280 >>924374 >>927750 >>930816
>>915975 (OP)
>cookies improve user experience and are required on other cases
>some people need money, some people live thanks to their website with popups
>some random faggot(you) visits that website and crys because some popup came out
▶ No.924280
>>924265
> some people live thanks to their website with popups
get a job, webshit
▶ No.924374
>>924265
>waah i need to abuse the user with ever more annoying ads to earn a shekel
▶ No.924411>>924427
>>915975 (OP)
99% of work done by web developers is make work job defense hence the obtuse frontend and inane and bloated functionality. the real work is done by sys admins maintaining working systems, and proactive security defensive programming done by devs which companies never pay for hence the work doesn't get done and they deservedly get hacked by russians
▶ No.924427
>>924411
can attest to this. front-end developers are worthless cogs in the feature factory without a functioning brain cell in their heads. whenever they needed to build something, they would completely short-circuit if it wasn't wrapped up in a http json api neatly tucking away all the thinking the smart guys were doing lest they have to learn anything at all. the result? a bogged-down webpage with megabytes of javascript dumped onto the users written by a circlejerk of dipshits that just needs one more framework added on to it, and then conversion rates will skyrocket, promise!
▶ No.926608>>926635 >>929894
Am I the only person in existence kvetching about infinite scroll? why have pages been dinosaured?
▶ No.926630>>927732
>>915975 (OP)
>99% of frontend developers deserve to be stabbed, hanged, shot, dismembered and shitted on at this point.
It's not because of the developers you dinghole.
The root of the problem is those who buy this.
1 developer disagrees to do that shit --- another one is found to replace him, who is less "burdened" with morals.
You only need to find a few developers without morals to do disgusting shit.
▶ No.926632
>>919145
You have no clue. Learn some shit before posting nonsense.
▶ No.926635>>926638 >>927762
>>926608
>try to click a link in the footer
>the page loads more shit and the footer goes off screen
▶ No.926638
>>926635
that's the point
so that plebs won't read that privacy policy
▶ No.926656
>>915975 (OP)
If this shit keeps up I'm going to only use gophers, and text browsers.
▶ No.927693>>927747 >>927753 >>928377 >>929425
How all websites should look
▶ No.927732>>930238
>>926630
>it's not my fault i was just coding retarded bullshit for money
>implying web shotters do their work ironically
>implying web shotters don't masturbate over fonts^W"type setting"
>implying web pages don't randomly reload the fonts 10 times on load
>implying this isn't caused by web shotters adding a bunch of shit to add their special snowflake fonts
>implying web shotters don't argue about "what is the best web framework" 3 times a day
>implying web shotters don't love CoC
etc
▶ No.927747>>927861
>>927693
Not really. Even on w3m, the margins are kind of obnoxious and an inefficient use of estate. The Slackware site is kind of the epitome of minimalist fetishists who will make things overly complex and bloated to create the illusion of minimalism. Certainly, it's lighter than most sites, but it's not as practical as one could very easily make it.
But even if it's superficially "minimal", it definitely isn't in the spirit of motherfuckingwebsite. It's only minimal insofar as it creates an aesthetic experience of minimal, not practically minimal. And that aesthetic isn't very common because it mostly appeals to self-proclaimed minimalists so divorced from the times where minimalism was practical necessity that they don't even really understand the essence of what the ostensibly celebrate.
▶ No.927750
>>924265
Some people buy domains and server space out of their own volition to bolster their own thoughts and services and then expect their user base to pay for said thoughts and services by relinquishing their right to control the very code that's executed on their browser on their computer.
▶ No.927753>>927754
▶ No.927754>>927765
>>927753
If I were a teenager, I would be very amused by asciiweb. Ironically, this all shows up in black and white on a text browser.
▶ No.927755
Yea or nay? In a way, this site is really charming, but it's also very messy. I think it looks pretty, though.
▶ No.927760>>927763
Yeah, these retards don't understand that this is almost as bad as the 90's javascript popup windows. I never sign up for a newsletter if, after browsing a page for 10 seconds, a fucking newsletter form appears over the content i want to look at.
▶ No.927762
>>926635
This should be a capital offence.
>le web two point oh iphone beautiful simple user interface. Who needs pagination anymore am i right? xD
▶ No.927763
>>927760
You could always just use a pattern-based content blocker like uBlock Origin. What sites are you referring to that has these popups?
▶ No.927765
>>927754
Probably needs some tweaking. I get colors in Links (without -g) when running it in screen. It's pretty ugly though. But this other related site looks ok.
▶ No.927861>>927888
>>927747
>that last sentence
no faggot, websites are still bloated and you're retarded as fuck if you think otherwise. the only valid use for HTML is documents with some basic markup such as <p> <b> <h1> etc. still some sites that pretend to be apps are a lot less worse than others, for example 8ch isn't that bad, while tomshardware is absolute dogshit and gives me RSI as I click through 20 pages to get one useful sentence which is only useful because I wanted to quote them saying something retarded
▶ No.927886>>927994
>>918110
uMatrix is a godsend, being able to block JS selectively speeds everything up tremendously. I don't need to download six different fonts just to view a web page, and I certainly don't want to run JS from piguiqproxy or whatever the new botnet of the day is.
Soon this is all going away as sites move to WebASM. I suppose I will just stop using the few remaining sites on the normie web that I still cling to when that happens.
▶ No.927888
>>927861
<>that last sentence
You know, the point of a quote is to quote, right? If you did, maybe you'd take the opportunity to reread "that last sentence" and realize that you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. If you weren't to busy strawmanning me, you'd realize my critique of the Slackware site is that it's more superfluous, more redundant than it has to be.
It has all the hallmarks of a site that only uses "some basic markup", but it's completely lacking in UX sensibilities. And the gut-wrenching irony is that you have to make a concerted effort in order to introduce those hammy columns, those misaligned timestamps, where a much simpler site design would have accommodated that information easily and articulated that information much clearer comprehensible to a much broader audience than the one whose heads are up their ass so far they can't even listen to what other people say when they politely point out their pants-on-head-retarded hypocrisies for fear of having their fragile egos shattered over an arbitrary thing.
▶ No.927971>>928054
>>915975 (OP)
>99% of frontend developers deserve to be stabbed, hanged, shot, dismembered and shitted on at this point.
Has there ever been a time in web history when that was not true? Can't recall one.
▶ No.927994>>928388
>>927886
Why do you believe that umatrix won't block webasm? It can block normal images and cookies but not webasm? That doesn't sound sensible to me.
▶ No.928027
>>916046
But those "clients" are just mini browsers
▶ No.928028>>928064
>>916467
It's called National Socialism for a reason sweetie. :^)
▶ No.928054>>928062
>>927971
Yeah, there was a time when any serious webmasters tested their shit in Lynx. That cuts out 99% of the crap right there.
▶ No.928062>>928087 >>931090
>>928054
Yes anon back when DOS terminals were a thing.
▶ No.928064>>930229 >>930241
>>928028
>Nazis
>Right Wing
pick one. 20th century is nothing but 3 different socialist factions
▶ No.928075
The other day I saw a site that forced you to complete a survey to read the whole article.
Fuck that shit
▶ No.928087>>928442
>>928062
Late 90's tbh. After that shit went bad real quick.
▶ No.928372>>930238 >>930816 >>930848
>proper anonsec to be completely anonymous
>no cookies flash or bullshit add ons/extensions
>fake ua/screensize/etc
>set up openwrt firewall and all
see
>something wrong: please disable adblock
>we need to email your newsletter _@___
>accept cookie policy [ok]
>your browser is outdated <!> and we're showing you nothing unless you comply with the botnet(tm) gold standard
>Full name [ ]*
>Address [ ]*
>Phone number [ ]*
>Attention! Captcha <!>
▶ No.928377>>928395
>>920273
Most ISPs block port forwarding on special ports.
>>927693
>that second pic
The good times..
>90% content
>10% animated and compressed GIF images (icons background tiles and emojis you don't need to purchase or use cancerous javascript)
>loads fast as fuck
Today
>20% content (or less)
>50% ads
>20% trackers
>10% cookies
▶ No.928388
>>927994
I believe that a "web page" in the future will be entirely implemented in DRM'd WebASM, making it impossible to even browse the site without running their encrypted botnet code.
It won't just be used for ads, the whole page will be one big binary WebASM blob.
▶ No.928395>>928396
>>928377
> Most ISPs block port forwarding on special ports.
You just run your server on a port > 1024.
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▶ No.928442>>929691
>>928087
>When terminals were common terminal browsers were common
u dont sayyy
▶ No.929425
>>927693
>paper skeumorphism
eugh, it's like your target audience is boomers who are not confident with computer screens.
▶ No.929691>>929699
>>928442
DOS terminals weren't common anymore by the late 90's. Most of that stuff was upgraded when Win95 came out. In fact, the last time I used plain text console at a university was in 1995. I was working a few years later and never saw a DOS system again, except at one of my relative's houses (but she replaced that in 1999, in order to see the pretty pictures on the web).
So anyway my original point was that competent web developers still tested their shit in Lynx in the late 90's, even though DOS systemd had been phased out half a decade prior. The old culture still remained, the one that actually believed the web should be accessible with any browser. There was even a "campaign" to that effect: https://anybrowser.org/campaign/
Eventually that competent old guard got replaced with normies who just wanted their flash and fancy javashits. So now you have bigass, buggy browsers of botnet that can bring a modern multicore computer to its knees. Enjoy!
▶ No.929699>>929700 >>929885
>>929691
Anon they did that because IT WAS STILL USED. Developers still test their shit on browsers after 2012 (almost 10 years old). They say fuck all to 2005 shit though.
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▶ No.929885>>929992
>>929699
Lynx was still used in 1999, but not in the way you're thinking (not by many average users). By then it was very niche compared to Netscape and Internet Exploder. Mostly it was for diehard text freaks, blind people, and some sysadmins and programmers. As a matter of fact, I was working as Linux sysadmin back then for a web-hosting company. I'm the only one there who used it as his default browser.
Keep in mind that in 1995, very few people had direct TCP/IP access to their home computers. Normally you dialed into a Unix shell account, and thus you were stuck using CLI and TUI programs, ergo stuff like Lynx. That changed very quickly, as ISPs started rolling out PPP, and soon also broadband. That's why much less people were using Lynx in 1999 vs. the first half of the decade. But it was still generally *respected* as a valid choice. Now we live in a world where they don't give a rat's ass about your needs or preferences. So they shove their nasty javashit and other badness down everyone's throats.
▶ No.929894>>929901
>>926608
This so much. I was just looking at the world cup page, and instead of information being coherently displayed on one screen, I've got to scroll down repeatedly to find everything. Look at this shite.
https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/stories/y=2017/m=11/news=england-2921188.html
▶ No.929901>>929909
>>929894
>watching sports ball
▶ No.929909>>929928
>>929901
Not really, haven't for a long time. I wanted to see the demography of the England team.
▶ No.929928
>>929909
But why? You know it's all niggers.
▶ No.929992>>930227 >>930801
>>929885
>Lynx was still used in 1999,
Yep and it was never used in 2005. It it would be retarded for 2015 developers to test for it.
▶ No.930227>>930243
>>929992
> it's retarded that people should be allowed to use whatever web browser they want
> fuck you all, swallow this nasty javashit
Enjoy your bigass botnet browser that needs botnet hardware. You deserve it.
▶ No.930229>>930242
>>928064
Ooo so edgy. What are you, an-prim?
▶ No.930230>>930236 >>930816
>>916990
<ideology that has existed for only a few centuries after the end of the medieval period is neccessary[sic]
>what is ancient egypt, greece, rome, and mesopotomia
No, you shut the fuck up you ridiculously uneducated faggot, wow, why is it that >>>/leftypol/ niggers always stereotypically fail to comprehend what the fuck capitalism and private property are.
Motherfucking eternal summer degrading the quality of discussion. Why can't this board handle such a low-effort derail?
>>916923
>>917181
What is asceticism? The reason why homeless people who are given thousands of dollars end up back on the street is that they have shit money management skills; they don't need (((Jews))) to sabotage themselves like good goyim. Education, knowledge-gathering, and self-enhancement for the embetterment of yourself and your fellow peers (the last which is NEVER emphasized is why gommunism always fails) is the key to mastering a good life for all and overthrowing and casting out the dirty (((Jew))). Recognize the value of your wealth and maximize it by staying informed of all your options.
If you were putting money first then conspicuous consumption wouldn't exist as it would be a waste of money better invested into more productive and beneficial projects. Capitalism works fine as LONG as you understand how it works. It's mostly irrational humans that introduce problems that get blamed on the "system." See: the subprime crisis where the (((banks))) handed loans to brainless nigger-naggers who viewed debt as "free money."
Holy fuck, it's saddening how >>>/biz/ is just a bunch of dumbfucks who circlejerk over crypto as their next get-rich-quick scheme rather than legitimately discuss business and trade.
Actually, why the fuck are anons even experiencing popups? Where's discussion of DNS-level adblocking (I ironically learned about DNSes by getting rightfully schooled by an old-school /tech/guy here)? Even PrivacyIO redditors are ahead of the curve by the look of this thread. The overall site has really declined in the past few months. Users here have some legitimate skill and yet that is rivaled by their relative lack of real accomplishment.
▶ No.930236>>931085
>>930230
>why is it that >>>/leftypol/ niggers always stereotypically fail to comprehend what the fuck capitalism and private property are.
Immense stupidity is prerequisite for being a leftist. There's a reason why well below 100 IQ average countries fall into socialism every few years and fuck up everything they managed to build. Just look at latin American and Africa. You are talking of people who are literally incapable of learning and then wonder why lefties have difficulties understanding thing.
▶ No.930238>>930816 >>930848
>>922992
>Think tracking is capitalism
Get in the gas chamber will you?
>>923434
Nice Rule34 get, degenerate.
>>924028
Which is "you can't show your power level"
>>928372
Which is why GDPR is stupid, surveillance becomes unavoidable legally.
>>927732
>>>/art/
>>922734
Burn as much law as possible. The more laws you have the easier big corporations can get their lawyers to fuck everything up.
>>916019
Enjoy, europunks.
>>916218
But masturbating with a phone is comfy.
▶ No.930241>>931085
>>916060
>implying this isn't tame compared to what a communist version would be
Capitalists just want to make money, communists want to know if they need to throw you in a slave labour camp in the middle of Siberia for 10 years.
>>928064
NatSoc is considered 'right wing' if you are a Euro-peon where everyone is a fucking socialist of some kind and the only political axis that exists is internationalist vs nationalist.
▶ No.930242
>>930229
AnarcoStatist actually
▶ No.930243>>930245 >>931324
>>930227
At least it will work :^)
▶ No.930245>>930246 >>931324
>>930243
So do drugs like SSRI. They just happen to have tons of bad side effects. ;^)
▶ No.930246>>930313 >>930816
>>930245
>Form validation on the client side is bad
LOL
▶ No.930313>>930315
>>930246
> form validation on client-side needs gigs of ram
LOL. Also in general arbitrary client-side code execution is bad, as it opens up security problems.
▶ No.930315>>930316
>>930313
But is that risk inherent to code execution? Or is it just that any parsing of untrusted input is a security risk, whether it is executed or not?
▶ No.930316
>>930315
Any code that has bugs (parser or otherwise) can potentially be leveraged to do things that aren't supposed to happen. Browsers can have bugs, yes, and this is especially true the bigger the codebase is. But outright allowing remote code execution is going full retard, even if it's running in a "sandbox". Even if hackers can't pwn your computer, they can still do nasty things like data-mine, suck up your CPU to do various things like run crypto miners, or possibly even use your computer as a botnet host to attack other systems.
▶ No.930736>>930827
STATIC WEBPAGES WERE ALWAYS SUPERIOR
▶ No.930801
>>929992
it would be retarded to be a web developer in the first place
▶ No.930816
>>928372
fixing screen size and nothing else doesn't remove your fingerprint. look at all the changes tor browser does in order to try to remove fingerprints from firecuck
>>924265
>only the lowest common denominator masses are stupid enough to have any affect on ad revenue
>websites are supported by ads
>he thinks any actual useful website is visited by non-LCD users and can maintain any useful amount of ad revenue
oh, i think you actually meant to type tomshardware or hardforum into your URL bar and your web browser redirected you here after making a typo
>>930230
>siccing necessary
lol
>he doesn't share my opinion
>he is therefore leftists
no, and this is proof that you don't understand what you're talking about. as i was saying, as the last empire fell in the 1900s, we started some experimental new systems that are modern democracy and communism (both are garbage especially in terms of what tech/science they can produce)
>who viewed debt as "free money."
debt is _still_ viewed as free money, faggot. 99% of retards just want to invest in all kinds of retarded shit
>muh DNS blocking
of course a nigger like you is into playing with DNS. literally just turn off JS and all ads are blocked/unnoticable noise
>privacyIO reddit
maybe you should go back there
>>930238
>first reply
what the fuck are you even talking about. i'm saying people can program _a fucking website on the internet_ however the fuck they want. if you're affected by it it's your own fucking fault. i.e, GDPR is stupid. what the absolute fuck does this have to do with capitalism?
>>930246
>applications that need form verification should be websites
no
▶ No.930827>>930836 >>931125
▶ No.930836
>>930827
He's right, you know. The web was better in the mid 90's, when gopher was still popular.
▶ No.930848>>931125
>>928372
>>930238
>>Full name [ ]*
>>Address [ ]*
>>Phone number [ ]*
GDPR forbids asking for data for no valid reason. Newsletters are no valid reason to collect full name, address, and phone number.
▶ No.931081
>>915975 (OP)
yes,yes they do.
does anybody have a link to the clip that goes with pic related?
▶ No.931085>>931091 >>931504
>>930236
But higher IQ correlates with left-wing views. Inb4 >leftist news sources, so
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs/article543361/
http://theconversation.com/do-smart-people-tend-to-be-more-liberal-yes-but-it-doesnt-mean-all-conservatives-are-stupid-57713
>>930241
National Socialism is considered right wing in any sane place where right wing is rightfully understood to be the defense of traditional values, the status quo and aristocratic governments, all of which the Nazis took to an extreme.
Also,
>Socialism is when the government does stuff
And the more stuff it does, the socialister it is, ain't that right? Let me guess, praise kek triggered libcucks praise trump?
▶ No.931087>>931120 >>931125
>>922992
>tracking users is free speech
Fucking kek, this is the mind of the /pol/cuck
▶ No.931090>>931101
>>928062
Was online on dos terminal.
Had no popups.
Took an hour to download one low res porn image.
▶ No.931091>>931142
>>931085
Seen the exact opposite in other news articles.
There is always an opposite (((study))), making them all useless.
▶ No.931101>>931123
>>931090
That's a slow ass modem you got there. I could download a 1.44 MB floppy disk image from a BBS in 15 minutes on my 14.4K modem. That was a common modem speed in 1994. You could fit a lot more than one GIF on a floppy disk.
▶ No.931120
>>931087
>saying "nigger" is free speech
Fucking kek, this is the mind of the /pol/cuck
▶ No.931123>>931198
>>931101
GIF is still a shit format. See image with 4 times the pixels and higher quality
▶ No.931125>>931127 >>931633
>>931087
>lol he doesn't want my reddit regulation of the month, he is a pol poster
>>930848
it's _the fucking web_. if you're thinking about applying laws to it you are insane
>>930827
he's right, dipshit. using the web for anything more like a chan is a gimmick and a hack. it's already insufferable to use a basic webapp like chan/forum/email and anything beyond that (facebook, youtube, online payments) is completely insane
▶ No.931127
>>931125
>if you're thinking about applying laws to it you are insane
Jews are insane. Don't you know?
▶ No.931142>>931181 >>931198 >>931504
>>931091
Sure, it's pretty simple. All studies that make you look good or otherwise confirm your world view are scientifically sound, but all studies that make you uncomfortable really are just (((studies))) and the international reptilian Jew conspiracy is out to get you and your videogames.
Fact: intelligent, educated people are overwhelmingly left wing.
Fact: uneducated peasants overwhelmingly rally behind the first populist that comes around, almost always the right-wing one.
▶ No.931181
>>931142
Im sure even you can realise the irony of your post.
▶ No.931198>>931232 >>931260
>>931123
Yeah but GIF was the popular format back then, that's just how it was. Anyway your image wouldn't have done any good given the typical video hardware those days: many 286 and 386's with plain VGA cards (with like 256K of vram), and stuff like Amiga OCS/ECS and Atari ST. The resolution alone wouldn't have fit the screen on those systems. Only some rich mofos who could afford Macs and 486's with SVGA cards would have benefited, but at the time they were the minority. Hell, in some countries it was still common to use C64's and ZX Spectrums or clones.
>>931142
The more educated they are, the more brainwashed they are, as a general rule.
▶ No.931202>>931203
Am I on /pol/ or on /tech/?
It seems that people here, to not name some fucking triplefag I don't even know why they're not banned yet, hide their total technological ignorance and laziness to not produce shit behind some retarded political bullshit.
▶ No.931232>>931233
>>931198
Yes back then but nowadays there's no need for them. Also load time from disk has become more important than decoding time. Also "PNG's Not GIF." does everything it does better apart from animation.
Check this out. IT EVEN CONTAINS A PREVIEW IMAGE
▶ No.931233
>>931232
damn it forgot to spoiler
▶ No.931260>>931267 >>931504
>>931198
>education is brainwashed
The mind of the /pol/cuck everyone
▶ No.931267>>931276
>>931260
If he's talking about education in general he's right.
Now go back to your social(ist) studies.
▶ No.931276>>931314 >>931504
>>931267
Tertiary education isn't brainwashing, unless you're taking a meme career like Gender Studies. Primary and Secondary are, but certainly not leftist, and everyone gets them anyway, even retard /pol/acks.
▶ No.931314>>931319 >>931320
>>931276
I'm from Germany
geography: global warming
history: le holocaust
social studies: social inequality and marxism
ethics: same with stupid greeks as explanation for it
englisch: drumpf
german: the national socialist used the romantic for their evil purposes
math: Did you know the state newly introduced a third gender for people who aren't man or women (gene trash)
informatics: let's all learn HTML and Java and be unproductive forever
And you have to do most of them whatever poison you pick.
You can't even imagine how bad it really is here.
▶ No.931319
>>931314
>german
oh man, i remember having a meltdown in class because there was a group project and i knew linking the nazis even if it wasn't part of the directive would get us a good grade
▶ No.931320
>>931314
>he's literally in secondary education right now
Yup, your politics suck
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▶ No.931504
>>931260
>>931276
>>931085
>>931142
Meanwhile, you're on a computing technology board and every possible education you could get in this field is garbage aside from maybe electrical engineering (since that's the only one i don't have experience in).
▶ No.931633
>>931125
>it's _the fucking web_. if you're thinking about applying laws to it you are insane
I'm sure you're also against laws that protect you against fraudulent web shops because laws aren't applied to them... oh wait.