/tech/ - Technology★

OK I will tell you. Here is how it works. They have one phone for their work and one for home. The law states that it is a criminal offence for them to use their work phone for any other purpose. In factthey have to dial a special number to get an outside line because they use different radio masts and have their own networks which can include satellite calls. However, if it were found they had called home or used it to do online shopping etc etc etc they would face a court martial if they were military and a secret tribunal if in the civillian wing

>>885812

ok, jesus let me rephrase for autistic people.

WHICH PHONE DO NSA PEOPLE / DEEP STATE PEOPLE GET RECOMMENDED THROUGH THEIR CLOSE CIRCLE OF JEWS TO BUY FROM THE DARKNET ANONYMOUSLY SO THEY CAN KEEP THEIR TAIL CLEAR

fuck. did I stumble onto 4chan?

>>885795 (OP)

Most NSA "agents" are desk jockeys with office jobs making a public servant's salary. They use the same shit everybody else uses and resign themselves to being surveilled.

Do you mean CIA agents, of the sort engaged in clandestine work?

>>885795 (OP)

i would use a ham radio link to send voice data. of course it can't be encrypted.

>>885795 (OP)

Mr Gristlehead Bunched-Panties detected

I believe the iphone X is very popular,

What is the real level of access a cellphone network operator has to a phone? Do they have full out-of-band access to everything the user has access to (such as any data stored on the phone) plus low level access to functions that the user has no access to?

>>885795 (OP)

>What special phone do you think they would be using?

Why the iPhone of course!

Only our most trusted ally can crack it's encryption!

>>885795 (OP)

they get the cheapest smartphone available, remove the roms on a hot air table and burn new roms in-house (and probably swap other chips too bought direct from the manufacturer), also they configure their own openvpn client,

Mr. Reddit show says it's some Android smartphone, probably Samshit. Applel btfo (toddlers xd)

>>885813

They are smart enough not to use any phone if they want to do illegal shit that they don’t want their employer to find out about. Nellie Ohr used ham radio to communicate with her treasonous contacts and receive her subversive orders. Otherwise it’d be a burner laptop with Tails at a McDonalds 40 Miles from home.

No phones though.

>>885917

Nobody? Is this some sort of deep secret?

no, most aren't paranoid, just incompetent contractors like Snowclone

>>886035

>secret access

Occam's Razor tells me: not really, service providers are involved with baseband spooks but it's not as if AT&T is currently copying everything off your device as you use it. It's much easier to capture network traffic as it reaches routers and modems.

I can't tell for sure, and it wouldn't surprise me if I was wrong, but for the moment, there doesn't seem to be a need.

>>886071

Where is it implied everything must reach your phone via a network connection that's controlled by a provider anyway? You can take pictures with your phone or record things or have songs or other files which you put onto the phone by connecting it to your computer via USB or bluetooth, can the provider access that data (otherwise inaccessible to them)?

>>885917

Through the baseband the network operators likely have completely out-of-band access, even when the device is off.

>>886263

A while back Samsung was busted sneaking baseband access into Android, so that the baseband processor could access the phone even when off ala the Intel Management Engine. There’s no reason to suspect things have changed and it’s likely this kind of access is required by law for consumer devices. Probably one of the many secret laws they passed since 911.

samsung galaxy S2 with replicant burned onto the ROM with what >>885936 mentioned. Though even that is still not perfect security, but it is enough to bypass bullshit from the cell carrier on the baseband firmware and keep it opensource at that. Only problem is it only supports 3G last I checked.

>>885811

I have one of those portable furnaces lying around somewhere

>>886458

but my libreturd chinkpad doesn't connect to public wifi. i put my card in monitor mode to sniff the niggers that do though.

>>885795 (OP)

>What special phone do you think they would be using?

Look in your pocket and tell me.

/thread

number station with OTP

>>885821

>of course it can't be encrypted.

But transmissions can be encoded, if your intention is not to conceal it ;-)

>>885917

AFAIK, a link mast can tell a cell phone to turn off encryption, for example.

>>886460

>ISP

It's SPI, brainlet. JTAG can't be used to flash chips ,either.

>>885917

None. They don't have access to the phone.

>>888876

>Turn off encryption

Not on the device storage, just for a call. I don't believe this one anyway.

No such thing as a safe phone. Every phone including dumb phones has GPS in them because of the (((E911))) laws. Best you can do is burner phones you discard often. Turn them off/remove battery when not in use.

>>889309

>GPS

GPS isn't the problem. Obtaining your position via GPS is a completely anonymous process.

you think too highly of them. One of the top FBI agents charged with tracking down traitors and acting foreign espionage agents was using an unencrypted iPhone to talk to his his Jewish mistress about bringing down a duly elected us president.

It's not the 1950s anymore, where all the intel agent recruits came from Princeton old money and saw it as a patriotic duty. These same types are now hedgefunders who have become camp followers of the rootless jews and willingly work against their own nation economically if it means they get to keep a swiss ski chalet and spent their summers in Sardinia.

I imagine CIA niggers don't have to hide much. Typical weekend would include collecting child porn and scheduling that cocaine drop from colombia in the middle of Arkansas.

For work stuff they most likely have their own segmented network for phone calls/web communication. After all the government did create the internet, DARPA net. Not including TOR.

>>888876

>But transmissions can be encoded, if your intention is not to conceal it ;-)

This. Elliptical conversation is great. Even when they're listening in, they still don't know what you're actually saying. Bin Laden used this for years. They'd be listening to his cell phone conversations, and couldn't figure out what the fuck he was actually talking about.

>>886460

>reprogramming hardware that's back-doored

That's for the advice, and the selfie

Title 47 CFR Part 15

You are like a little baby.

>>889495

>Not including TOR.

UGHHH.....newfags, it's written as "Tor."

Well, aekteully...

Modern chips sometimes almost always have "bootloaders" (that's what the thing is called you are referring to) that grant the user/software/hardware-master ability to flash a new firmware onto the selected region using different tools: external flash memory and various protocols. But those exact bootloaders are located in far-away chips that won't get started if they were overwritten and most of the time they have a special protected region which can't be erased using regular tools (JTAG will do). So: flashing a ROM using I2C/SPI flasher is useless.

Also: no protected communication, except relativity-based one (also not promised to work securely, thanks to gray state fagolas).

>>886460

Almost there, arduino boy! NO.

JTAG is the most common protocol that is currently used to flash almost every chip on the market (even modern cpus have this exact protocol pinout). I still can easily name its pins from the top of my head: TMS, TCK, TDI, TDO. It's preferable because (most of manufacturers) allow in-system debug using specifically this type of protocol, which also allows to use clocks such as: (CPU_Clock >> 4), allowing you (if you pick short wires and have good hw buffers) speed up to 10MHz which is okay for most applications. Also modern mcus allow taking a "snapshot" (if you add a (while(1)) line in the HWFailure_Handler) of their failure state, which can be later viewed using JTAG. In short: JTAG allows to view and control most(sometimes all of it) of peripheral of a given mcu.

Cortex (f.e. ST Cortex-M0/M3) still sometimes uses I2C-styled SWD programming protocol with the following lines: SWDIO (data in-out) and SWCLK (data clock). It's slow, outdated and generally not recommended if you are to write firmware bigger than just a led flasher.

AVR (now owned by filthy pajeet microchip) uses "AVR ISP" on their 8-bit series. Not a bad mcu for a starter, but now is in a process of being eaten alive by pajeets and chinks. Looks like pajeet ceo paid chink to produce shit quality atmega8/16 in grand mass, which lowers users opinion about once great mcu. Attiny10/8 series uses I2C-styled "Micro-programming interface".

Microchip 8-bits SUCK BALLS. 2 BLOODY CYCLES PER OP! AND EVEN THAT IS NOT PROMISED! Also GIANT LIST OF 20 OP CODES! WHO THE FUCK WOULD USE THAT?!

>>888881

> It's SPI, brainlet

Not entirely correct, previous cool arduino boy meant "AVR ISP", which is in-system programming; it looks like usual "spi" (thanks to reset, mosi, miso and sclk), but you have to give up additional software overhead to flash simple 24C02 using "AVR ISP".

> JTAG can't be used to flash chips

> JTAG CAN'T BE USED TO FLASH

CIA NIGGER! GIT OUT

I SWEAR ON ME MUM

IM GONNA FLASH MAH FIRMWARE IN YOUR ASS

AND DEBUG IT ON THE FLY

P.S.: Score 2 for the good guys.

>>886458

He asked what phone they used. The illiterate pajeets of /tech/ replied with non-sequiter about phone masts and networks.

/tech/ is worse than /g/. 4/g/ might be full of programmer socks and mouth-breathing weed-Windows /v/irgins on MSI gaymen laptops, but fuck if I've ever seen a VOIP thread ruined by a sperg who doesn't want to share his IP address with others hosts anywhere other than 8/tech/.

>>889640

Don't you need physical access for JTAG?

>>889640

I have never heard of flashing something over a JTAG interface using a JTAG debugger.

>>889762

You usually need physical access for SPI, too.

>>889764

What would set apart a JTAG "debugger" from a JTAG "programmer / flasher"?

I've been able to program my CPLDs using a homemade JTAG interface just fine.

>>889857

CPLD isn't a ROM chip

>>889309

This, based on what I've read in crime books the US government has had the ability to track mobile devices accurately to a 10 foot radius since the late 90s

I doubt they give a shit if their fellow spooks spy on them, because they could all spy on each other and they all probably cover for each other if they're doing any illegal or shady shit anyway.

>>890251

I see. But what if you took the phone apart and removed it? Although I wouldn't know exactly how to go about doing so, even if I looked up where it was on the board. Are tablets also subject to this law, if they are wifi-only editions?

>>890679

>I see. But what if you took the phone apart and removed it?

The cellular modem is all one chip. If you removed it you wouldn't have a phone that could make calls anymore.

>Are tablets also subject to this law, if they are wifi-only editions?

A wifi only tablet is not a phone. If it doesn't connect to the cellular network then E911 doesn't apply.

>>886071

Occam's Razor was formulated by a medieval monk in order to rationalize the existence of angels over other more "complicated" explanations for stuff, such as science.

So stop using that meme or get fucked.

I read NSA buys custom hardware without botnet

>>890251

There used to be a android app called antennas

it used GSM triangulation and it worked BETTER then GPS, almost insta lock and it worked indoors, even far out in the woods with a single cell tower you got a decent approximation circle

If anyone know a similar app please tell.

>>891908

Occams Razor dictates that you are from reddit.

>>891908

>Occam's Razor was formulated by a medieval monk in order to rationalize the existence of angels over other more "complicated" explanations for stuff, such as science

false. you get fucked, retard.

>buy a smartphone

>remove cell modem with hot air gun

>install lineage os

>get a usb lte modem with web interface, no drivers and kernel firmware needed

>plug it as otg device when needed

>change IMEI firmware region once in a while if possible or change spare modems completely with sim card

Did I miss something? AFAIK, usb modems don't have to comply with E911, nor even have telephony functions, and directional antenna obfuscates your location even more.

>[s]get owned with wifi exploit[/s]

>>900647

>What special phone do you think they would be using?

why just the phone? aren't they not already using even your computer too?