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 No.1069743>>1069744 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Full of cringe and fallacious arguments.

http://defcon.ws/

>The DEF CON staff and I have mutually agreed that the DEF CON conference will be canceled this year and we will not be hosting future conferences. DEF CON has been an incredible experience for myself and many others and it is very difficult to make this announcement. But, it is time for us to move on to bigger and better things. Over twenty years ago, I organized a party for a small group of friends. That simple get-together spawned what is now the largest and most well known hacker convention. As I said, that was over twenty years ago. Myself, the staff and all the others that have contributed to making DEF CON what is have done a lot of growing, made careers, built businesses, started families. We're not teenagers with enough time on our hands to organize parties for our friends, let alone 10,000 of them.

>I'm sure you've noticed that some of our key staff have retired. It is very difficult to find replacements. The amount of time, frustration, sweat and tears involved makes it a job few will take on. I've considered passing the conference to a younger generation, one that has the time and energy to run it. But, it is just too large and complex for a green crew. I think that it is more fitting that we retire DEF CON now, while it is at its best, than let it collapse under its own weight.

>I've created this site to be the official announcement page. The existing DEF CON site, while it may still have activity, will be archived and retired. Discussion boards will be closed. It is important that we preserve what DEF CON was and its influence on the security community.

>I would like to take a few paragraphs to discuss how we should move forward in a post-DEF CON world and I think it is important for hackers to understand how the security landscape, and the Internet as a whole, has changed over the past few years.

>As I mentioned, all of us have grown since DEF CON started. As you grow, you to start to see the world in a more complex and mature manner. Blind idealism fades away and a mature practicality is realized. This is something we all go through as we enter adulthood, take on responsibilities and make our way in society. I've had a lot of changes in my life and outlook since I started DEF CON. I've had some serious struggles resolving the person I was and the person I've become. If you knew me when i was seventeen, you wouldn't have believed the organizations I ultimately worked for. You might have even called me a traitor to the hacker community! But, I guess that's my point. Things change.

>I believe that we are in a post-hacker world. We still need innovative security researchers but we need professionals. We need to shed the "hacker" persona that is denigrating us. We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others instead of hacker conferences.

 No.1069744

>>1069743 (OP)

>The tide is already turning. Many of our Black Hat presenters make their presentations at DEF CON. It is clear that the reputable researchers are actively engaging the hacker community, persuading them to join the ranks of the professionals. This can also be seen in the number of recruiters attending Black Hat. I've asked government representatives to stop attending DEF CON so they can recruit professionals from Black Hat. These recruiters are looking for security professionals not sketchy hacker types. It is a disservice to have them attend DEF CON.

>It is my belief that attendance at amateur conferences such as ShmooCon, Summercom, Toorcon, HOPE and even CCC will soon begin to dwindle. As current attendees mature they will become the next generation of security professionals, not hackers. What I've said is probably disturbing to some of you, but it is our current reality.

>Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. They are critical to demonstrate security expertise to employers. Without them, you are just another armature boasting your eliteness. Many in the hacker community criticize these certifications. As you can imagine, the critics are the ones unable to attain these credentials.

>I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately, I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. There are others in the security community that have access to the same information. While they may be reluctant to discuss the issue, as they may be under threat of imprisonment, they know this is true. I wish I could expound more.

>Some privacy zealots will say, in the olden days, you could just "go out behind the barn" to have a private conversation. Of course, that was never true. Jimmy was always up in the loft listening. Mabel, the operator, was always listening on the phone line. We never had privacy. These people have built their unobtainable privacy demands based on falsisms and self delusion. The world never functioned this way and it won't in the future. Only in the last few decades has privacy become an issue. Coincidence? Did DEF CON expose privacy issues or did DEF CON cause and perpetuate privacy hysteria? Certainly we need to prosecute credit card and identity theft but your daily activities, the people you associate with and your conversations should not be assumed private. If you tell one person something, it isn't private anymore. That's obvious.

>"If you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear". That's a much derided quote but, honestly, you know it is true. Your parents and grandparents knew it was true. This is a, Christan-based, truism that is fundamental to our society. Those who criticize are looking to hide their crimes, plan on committing crimes or romantically think, some day, they'll do something daring and rebellious. You know when you've done something wrong. It is better not to do it in the first place or just come clean if you have. This is how people live real life. You should live it that way on-line.

>I could go on for pages but I thinks it is better to wrap it up. I plan on writing a book covering many topics during my growth form a hacker to a security professional. Feel free to approach me at Black Hat or other conferences to discuss these issues. Again, I thank you for all your support these many years.

>Best of luck

>-DT


 No.1069745

What does defcon.ws have to do with defcon.org?


 No.1069749

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=xUWSAYKE_v0&t=57

DefCon fags like to imagine they'll have life moments like this but instead it's all cheetos, poppers and smelly trannies.


 No.1069750>>1069752

>"If you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear"

No, dumbfuck - you didn't "become mature", just retarded.


 No.1069752>>1069753 >>1069771

>>1069750

You aren't helping about his argument on the immaturity of some people.

There's a lot to be told about his arguments.

See for example this:

>Some privacy zealots will say, in the olden days, you could just "go out behind the barn" to have a private conversation. Of course, that was never true. Jimmy was always up in the loft listening. Mabel, the operator, was always listening on the phone line. We never had privacy.

That's just plain incoherent.

We have privacy between people as long as people agree to never share the info out of the said circle of people.

That's how privacy works and it has always worked like that.

Saying that we never had privacy is completely erroneous.

We had legal protection of privacy on all kinds of support. But we don't have it anymore today, Emails used to the legally protected, but it's not anymore, phone calls used to be protected (and even costed a president's mandate) but we don't have it anymore. Even the fucking post mail was protected, but none of this matters anymore out of security errors and paranoia.

This man has too much trust with the people he works with and only sees the good sides of his work.

More non logical things like this:

>I believe that we are in a post-hacker world. We still need innovative security researchers but we need professionals. We need to shed the "hacker" persona that is denigrating us.

The same professionals like intel that are adding pieces of insecure trash in CPU and other pieces of electronics ?

>We should strive to be professionals,

I disagree with him on other subjects but I'll quote Torvalds on this.

>The thing is, the "victim card" is exactly about trying to enforce your particular expectations on others, and trying to do so in a very particular way. It's the old "think of the children" argument. And it's bogus. Calling things "professional" is just more of the same - trying to enforce some kind of convention on others by trying to claim that it's the only acceptable way.

>if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their normal urges in unnatural ways.

https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137392506516022&w=2

>making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists

Security trough obscurity does not work long term speaking, hardware backdoors/security proves this more than anything else.

>This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others instead of hacker conferences.

We can thank him for sharing these.

>These recruiters are looking for security professionals not sketchy hacker types

Yes they are looking for competent people but even more they are looking for people who won't do a "snowden" and have a case of moral conscience and spread the horrible things they are doing to the public.


 No.1069753

>>1069752

>As current attendees mature they will become the next generation of security professionals, not hackers.

Fortunately he forgot when he was 17 and was a hacker. We are all hackers, you just choose to not be labelled as such for marketing reasons, not that it's bad for you, but stop saying such inane reasoning and say the true reasons for it.

>Professionals have professional credentials.

Bateman_card.pdf

>ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications.

His he paid to say such things ? Yes they give certifications they are good to your point of view, I have seen a few DGSI people being accredited of such certifications and they didn't need these to know what they know.

>They are critical to demonstrate security expertise to employers. Without them, you are just another armature boasting your eliteness.

Like it was said previously it's just for marketing, social status and trust. But be reminded that it's not because you are smart and are certified smart that you aren't completely mad.

>As you can imagine, the critics are the ones unable to attain these credentials.

This is again a fallacious reasoning and also a diminishing one, what did he say about growing up again ?

>What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11".

Tbh looking at today's state of internet and constant abuse of privacy this wouldn't a bad thing.

Also having such "cyber9/11" was probably because of a backdoor implemented by the NSA in hardware.

>"If you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear". That's a much derided quote but, honestly, you know it is true.

Again another fallacious reasoning. Yes it is a true/correct statement but what happens when the law of the thing that you were doing legally isn't legal anymore ? What happens when something that you was banal to everyone becomes illegal ?

Again he's thinking short term.

>This is a, Christan-based, truism that is fundamental to our society. Those who criticize are looking to hide their crimes, plan on committing crimes or romantically think, some day, they'll do something daring and rebellious.

>You know when you've done something wrong.

Another fallacious argument to justify the violation of privacy. His he forced to say this ?


 No.1069754>>1069759


 No.1069759

>>1069754

that first dood

>durr let's not just openly criticise spooks

>hurr privacy is going away deal_with_it.goy

>fox news that, republicans this, i hate murrica even though I implicitly trust authority, btw did I mention i'm a haxxor

>t. some san fran bubble boy

Oh and a fucking vice article.

It's pretty clear that haxxor are just bay area hipsters and spook analysts larping as spies which is exactly what this 'parody' set out to show.


 No.1069771

>>1069752

>You aren't helping about his argument on the immaturity of some people.

What do you mean? I see no point in refuting his "arguments" (he has none except, ironically, teenage screeching). All it boils down to is he hates being a "hacker" now since he perceives that as childish. Okay then, no need to shit on hackers now though, just because you decide it's not for you.


 No.1069784>>1069787

This is bait. defcon.WS is not an official site. The true Defcon website, defcon.org, has no such message of cancelation.


 No.1069785>>1069786

Lol. Defcon is a commercial organization pulling in millions of dollars. No way it'll be cancelled unless attendance dwindles or something. I wish it was cancelled, at this point it's just cringey decorated scenarios, drinking half a bottle of beer pretending it's hardcore, soyboys and Robert Paulson type boomer cucks.


 No.1069786

>>1069785

This year will be the first time I am actually able to go to it, and the first convention I will actually attend. I hope it isn't really like this.


 No.1069787

>>1069784

I've been rused


 No.1069795>>1069797

File (hide): 34db8e4e0f2e1e2⋯.jpg (93.05 KB, 962x773, 962:773, thumbs_up.jpg) (h) (u)

This is a good example of people reading the headline and replying.

Also why I prefer smarter smaller communities like iswc.pw

Go look at the source code

<!--

Congratulations you found the secret message! You're so smart.

Get over it, this is a parody/joke. This is *satire* not to be confused

with my actual beliefs in any way

Apologies that I ripped the art from the actual Defcon page.

Cancellation of Defcon is a loooong running joke. Read the Defcon FAQ.

DT is a really nice guy and he would never say these sorts of things. Or would he?

Nah, I'm sure he wouldn't.

This is not part of a contest - Yawn. Coffee Wars was the only good contest.

This site has been up for many years and I haven't changed the "letter". Yet, I think the

satire still rings true, sadly.

If you thought this was mildly funny you can buy me, Gurney Halleck, a beer.

If you didn't, sorry no refunds.

Have a good time at Defcon.

Go rock out to https://youtu.be/Ny1nM8H6Is4

Also: BUNNIES FOR PRIEST!!!

-->


 No.1069797

>>1069795

>that message

cringe


 No.1069880

LITERALLY WHO?




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