▶ No.1063636
Judging by Adobe's statement, this was in the Terms of Service all along, so they're not doing something they "can't", as in “You can't do this!” type of complaining.
But well, this sucks anyway, it's really the rise of the Rent economy, and people will accept this shit.
In fact, people might battle this ToS in the courts and might win, as it screams "unconstitutional".
This shouldn't be allowed to be a thing in any ToS.
▶ No.1063647>>1063731
>>1063630 (OP)
But what if I never got a loicense in the first place?
▶ No.1063658>>1063693
>>1063646
>I prefer get sued by Adobe than use GIMP.
The absolute state of being a cuck.
▶ No.1063661
>>1063630 (OP)
>Adobe Tells Users They Can Get Sued for Using Old Versions of Photoshop
GOOD!
Serves them right for choosing convenience over freedom. It is only when their data is put in the digital gulag or executed they sit up and take notice.
▶ No.1063663>>1063693
>>1063646
GIMP is actually pretty good piece of software but its UI isn't the best. You could always try Krita...?
▶ No.1063664>>1063693 >>1068815
Why can't the Gimp people produce a decent user interface?
▶ No.1063677>>1063693 >>1063706
they're not going to actually sue anybody, the most they'll do is get real close to doing so just to scare the cucks into buying a new license.
and yes photoshop is still better than GIMPed or whatever else the FOSSfags have shoveled out in their entire careers.
▶ No.1063678
>>1063630 (OP)
Hilarious, it's almost as if they explicitly want people to pirate their shit
▶ No.1063693>>1063774 >>1063858 >>1064036
>>1063646
>I prefer get sued by Adobe than use GIMP.
Let translate this for normies:
>I prefer to be a butfucked slave than to learn how to use the GIMP interface.
>>1063658
This.
>>1063663
>>1063664
>but its UI isn't the best.
It's UI is ok, it's just that since 99.9999% of people are used to photoshop their muscle memory is not adapted to the gimp.
If people don't want to re-learn then I suggest that they should put a bounty to make a new UI for gimp that matches Photoshop.
>>1063677
>they're not going to actually sue anybody
Yeah it's not like other corporations like say Microsoft sent to prison a guy who installed and activated windows OS with recycled computers.
>and yes photoshop is still better than GIMPed or whatever else the FOSSfags have shoveled out in their entire careers.
This is how I know you don't master gimp.
Gimp only lacks two functions compared to photoshop: non destructive editing and CMYB support. Other than these two it has more features than photoshop.
▶ No.1063700
▶ No.1063701>>1063814 >>1064343 >>1065551
>>1063630 (OP)
Some more alternatives outside of (((Adobe)))
Or just pirate their old software. Its not like they can sue all of us.
▶ No.1063706>>1063712 >>1063801 >>1068834
>>1063677
>and yes photoshop is still better than GIMPed or whatever else the FOSSfags have shoveled out in their entire careers.
It's funny, because people bitching around how bad GIMP is compared to photoshop often didn't buy photoshop at all, but they just downloaded a crack. I hope this fag, who makes cracked versions of photoshop rapes users with botnet botnet, because cracking it for free is harmful - it makes nonfree software more convenient to use. If people really had to pay for it and the license would be always enforced, they would quickly invest in GIMP. Is it actually that good, when you're raped by the monthly subscription? If people gave half of what they give to Adobe to GIMP, they would have much better software respecting their freedom.
▶ No.1063709>>1063712
▶ No.1063712
>>1063706
This.
The worst part is that some professional abandoned adobe because of the cloud bullshit to go to another proprietary software.
>>1063709
Please post full archive links not shortened ones, we can't know what's behind a shortened link.
http://archive.today/2019.05.15-170427/https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-they-can-get-sued-for-using-old-versions-of-photoshop
▶ No.1063731
>>1063647
>Audio doesn't suddenly cut to an Alestorm song
arr that's messed up yer git
▶ No.1063774>>1063796 >>1063859 >>1068834
>>1063693
This post just proves Photoshop is better than Gimp in terms of features. If you weren't insecure about the trade-offs and value of sticking to Free Software you wouldn't feel the need to degrade people who still use proprietary software in an almost seething way to feel better about your own choices.
Stallman calmly informs people about why Free Software is better, and he basically gets paid to promote Free Software. Terry Davis called everybody "nigger cattle" for their choices, yet he ended up being a homeless drunk and committing suicide. I'm sure you can see one approach is better than the other.
▶ No.1063796>>1063803
>>1063774
Terry was mentally unstable and was unsupported and therefore he was not able to support his own life in the long term. Stallman is a very rational person who believes in keeping his own costs tiny i.e. he lives like a student. With these two mindsets it's obvious why one mind had a shorter lifespan than the other mind.
▶ No.1063801>>1063859 >>1068834
>>1063706
>if pirates couldn't get Photoshop for free, they would give money to Gimp!
Dude what the fuck are you smoking?
People will use Gimp when the developers fix the fundamental problems with their program that have been in it for ages. A lot of it is about UX boogieman, Gimp is an absolute pain in the fucking ass to use in so many ways, which is why you get this type of response to it >>1063646
To give you the classic example; drawing basic geometric shapes like rectangles and circles and lines is one of the most fundamental functions in any graphics program, but some incomprehensible autism prevents Gimp developers from adding this, one of the simplest tools imaginable into their program even though they don't seem to have any problem having 6 fucking separate brush tools in it.
To give you a more practical example, nobody wants to fiddle with fucking layer channels or resize the layers every 3 minutes because the program won't do it automatically, I cannot even imagine a reason why I would ever want the ability to change those things separately.
You sound like one of those zealots who think of FOSS as a religion and get angry when you see something that isn't free and open source. Nobody outside of /tech/ gives a fuck about muh free software if the software itself is a piece of shit. People use Photoshop because it's the best tool of it's kind period. There's individual parts that some programs do better (the most obvious being painting/brush tools in painting-oriented programs), but overall there's just nothing that does the overall job even close as good as PS. That doesn't mean people love PS/Adobe or don't want it to be replaced with something less jewish, but there isn't anything.
If you want FOSS to stop being shit then tell start by kicking Gimp developers in the balls and demanding that they stop deliberately avoiding things that Photoshop did right just to be special, and then kick Krita developers in the balls and tell them to stop with the fucking "it's le painting brogram so we won't add certain common features XD" and then kick them in the balls again and tell them to stop focusing on some obscure bullshit like animation features that nobody uses, and instead fix the basics that are still half assed and/or broken.
▶ No.1063802>>1065553
>buy software
>few years go by
>get sued for it
G-d Bless the usa!
▶ No.1063803>>1063812
>>1063796
>Stallman
Bernie Sanders for President.
Vote Green in Australia.
Support the US Green Party.
Support the Citizens' Climate Lobby.
▶ No.1063812
▶ No.1063814>>1064178 >>1065559
>>1063701
Ardour should be listed under Au, and it is far, far better than Audacity.
▶ No.1063843>>1063859
* Laughs in illegal license and outdated versions *
My fucking work computer still runs 7.0 literally eat my ass Adobe. That's what you fucking dicks get for switching to a god damn subscription based program you fucking retards.
▶ No.1063849>>1063856 >>1063859
if you really have to use that then why would you use the cloud version of all things
▶ No.1063856
>>1063849
The same reason people use Windows 10 instead of 7, because they're fucking retarded and think newer = better.
▶ No.1063858>>1063859
>>1063693
Never mind relearning the UI, GIMP can't even open some PSD files properly. Unless you convince everyone to throw away large chunks of their previous work PS will remain dominant.
▶ No.1063859>>1063860 >>1063866 >>1063873
>>1063774
>you wouldn't feel the need to degrade people who still use proprietary software
Topkek. That's a fallacious reasoning.
Why do I even need to degrade people who uses proprietary software when they are getting degrade by the proprietary software they use ?
How do you not want to offense how users work with proprietary software when they already don't know how their tools work even tho they think they know ? You can approach this by all possible angles, their is just too much shit that needs to be changed for people to not take it badly.
Explain and show proof to someone that all phones are backdoored and recording them.
Will they stop using their phone even tho it has a negative impact on them and the group of users? Most of them won't.
Explain and show proof to someone that all proprietary software is backdoored, has anti-features, DRM and snoops on them.
Will they stop using the proprietary software even tho it has a negative impact on them and the group of users?
Most of them won't.
People do not realize the consequences of their actions because it's digital. Because their were never taught correctly how to interpret digital tools based on physical tools.
>Terry Davis called everybody "nigger cattle" for their choices
Terry was schizophrenic. And to be fair even RMS used to insult people but not by saying that people were niggers. RMS used terms like "people who use windows are suckers" or "people are giving up their freedom when they use proprietary software". Stallman is correct but such approach is aggressive in the sense that you tell them to feel guilty. PR is hard and will remain hard.
>>1063801
>To give you the classic example; drawing basic geometric shapes like rectangles and circles and lines is one of the most fundamental functions in any graphics program, but some incomprehensible autism prevents Gimp developers from adding this
>but some incomprehensible autism prevents Gimp developers from adding this
>prevents Gimp developers from adding this
>prevents Gimp from adding this
>prevents Gimp
>prevents
Keyboard Shortcut: R.
Make a rectangle the size you want.
Right click to open the options: go in edition.
Fill with color or one of the thousand existing options.
>circles
Keyboard Shortcut: E.
>and lines
Keyboard Shortcut: B.
or
Keyboard Shortcut: P or N.
Then push the shift key on your keyboard and select the departing point with your left mousse click and then another left click somewhere else to make a straight line.
How much of a lazy faggot do you need to be to not ==EXPLORE== these functions?
>You sound like one of those zealots who think of FOSS as a religion and get angry when you see something that isn't free and open source.
>be me
>be IT guy
>my job is too diagnose computers, repair and configure them
>problems varies but mostly the problem comes from the users who install malware all the time.
>software providers understood that 9/10 users don't know what they are doing
>software providers begin to use classical conditioning in schools so that users are already used to their software even before they get in the professional world.
>Two decade passes, software providers reinforces their positions.
>software providers began to install backdoors and malware and legalize it to sell private data
>software providers realize that people won't see the difference between local based software and SaaS.
>tech manufacturers also realize that 8/10 users don't back or don't get back their data when the PC needs to be repaired even tho it feasible.
>tech manufacturers begins to solder ram, ssd and more directly on the motherboard.
And you wonder why some people are angry ?
Proprietary software and the people who use it are not only harming themselves but they are also destroying a whole domain of work, what was considered a well paid job is now a minimum wage job (in europoor at least).
>People use Photoshop because it's the best tool of it's kind period.
People use photoshop because it has a monopoly.
>demanding that they stop deliberately avoiding things that Photoshop did right just to be special,
You know the drill proof or gtfo.
>>1063849
Because that is what's being sold in schools.
Because when a company wants to "buy" a license adobe proposes nothing else.
>>1063843
>proprietary software isn't the problem
>it's SaaS that is the problem
>>1063858
>GIMP can't even open some PSD files properly.
You're aware that the PSD files is a closed file format and the reason for why gimp can open them right now is because of reverse engineering ?
Don't blame Gimp when it's obviously an Adobe issue.
This is what I mean when people don't know what they do. This post is the common example of people complaining without them understanding why.
▶ No.1063860>>1063862 >>1063866 >>1063885
>>1063859
>Don't blame Gimp when it's obviously an Adobe issue.
>This is what I mean when people don't know what they do. This post is the common example of people complaining without them understanding why.
No, it's a Gimp issue. It doesn't matter what caused it, whether it was incompetence from the Gimp team, Adobe's secrecy, or a direct intervention by Satan to thwart the spread of free software. What matters is the consequence, which is that much of the large body of work currently stored in PSD files would become inaccessible. That work does not magically become accessible again just because you can say "but it's not Gimp's fault!", nor does that undo any of the time and money required to fix it.
▶ No.1063862
▶ No.1063865>>1063869 >>1064181
>people unironically thinking gimp is any sort of replacement for photoshop
dear god you autistic retards some people have to design shit professionally and gimp is not suitable
▶ No.1063866>>1063875
>>1063860
>No, it's a Gimp issue.
No, it isn't. Adobe does this on purpose to keep its monopoly, that's their fault. If adobe made an open specification of PSD format, everyone could use it. If Adobe made a file format you only could use on their premium extra cloud unbreakable DRM machine, would it still be Gimps fault?
>That work does not magically become accessible again just because you can say "but it's not Gimp's fault!", nor does that undo any of the time and money required to fix it.
Fixed it for you:
That work does not magically become accessible again just because you can say "but it's not Adobe's fault!", nor does that undo any of the time and money required to fix it.
and this guy is right >>1063859
▶ No.1063869>>1063874
>>1063865
>dear god you autistic retards some people have to design shit professionally and gimp is not suitable
If people hired developers to enhance GIMP or to make a new, better free software replacement for photoshop, they would gain more. Using Adobe products is a trap - it just starts with proprietary software and ends with monopoly and cloud shit. Now you're able to use photoshop, but what if one day Windows or OSX will have strong DRM built in, so users won't be able to run old programs? There will be only the cloud...
▶ No.1063872
I use Krita for most of my digital art. Have done for a while. Sure, Photoshop has more features, but in reality, more features != better. Honestly, Adobecucks deserve everything they get for continuing to enable Adobe's shitty business practices.
▶ No.1063873>>1063882
>>1063859
>Keyboard Shortcut: R.
>Make a rectangle the size you want.
>Right click to open the options: go in edition.
>Fill with color or one of the thousand existing options.
>Keyboard Shortcut: E.
>Keyboard Shortcut: B.
>Keyboard Shortcut: P or N.
>Then push the shift key on your keyboard and select the departing point with your left mousse click and then another left click somewhere else to make a straight line.
This isn't a geometric shape tool, these are esoteric workarounds that are guess what; pain in the fucking ass to use. I specifically looked for this argument and pretty much read nothing else from your post because I have no interest what people this retarded have to say.
▶ No.1063874
>>1063869
Why else are they keep on upgrading network infrastructure and moving everything to javashit?
thin client
▶ No.1063875>>1063881 >>1063894
>>1063866
>Adobe does this on purpose to keep its monopoly, that's their fault.
Never disputed that.
>If adobe made an open specification of PSD format, everyone could use it.
Never disputed that.
If Adobe made a file format you only could use on their premium extra cloud unbreakable DRM machine, would it still be Gimps fault?
Never claimed it was Gimp's fault in the first place.
>That work does not magically become accessible again just because you can say "but it's not Adobe's fault!", nor does that undo any of the time and money required to fix it.
Never disputed that.
The software can't do what it can't do. If it can't do something it needs to do, that is a problem for it.
▶ No.1063881
>>1063875
Who defines "need"? If all software are made by those people, then everything is perfect. Oh wait, you "need" some feature because they were shoved up your ass by Adobe. Now it is so wide that you can't accept something else.
▶ No.1063882>>1063886 >>1064041 >>1065555 >>1068834
>>1063873
Gimp is a program for editing images, not for drawing. If you want to draw use Krita. Why so people always get hung up on this shit? Krita does drawing much better, and if you want to do vector illustrations Inkscape does it much better.
▶ No.1063885
>>1063860
The problem is all about Adobe and the people too retarded to understand the consequences of Adobe's licensing agreement. It is not Gimp's fault.
▶ No.1063886
>>1063882
People desire a Photoshop clone so therefore, they complain Gimp isn't that Photoshop clone.
▶ No.1063889>>1064041
>Adobe thread up
>thread is derailed by Adobecucks bitching about Gimp
▶ No.1063894
>>1063875
>If it can't do something it needs to do
>graphics software
>needs to open the editor formats of other editors
No. That's not the purpose of such a program. If you wanted you could always export the layers to PNG and import them.
This is like demanding all operating systems have to use the same file system and configuration files even through most settings wouldn't apply to them because not all OSs have the same features.
▶ No.1064036>>1064066
>>1063693
Photoshop < GIMP <<< MS Paint
▶ No.1064041>>1064042 >>1064066 >>1064182
>>1063882
>>1063889
It's because gimpfags always start fanfaring how Photoshop is shit and Gimp is so much better. It's not better if Photoshop can do things Gimp can't, and can do things that Gimp can except easier and faster.
▶ No.1064042>>1064066
>>1064041
I personally state that Gimp is free software and Photoshop is proprietary software and therefore it doesn't respect my freedom. I am well aware that Photoshop has many functions that Gimp doesn't have. My personal value is that those powerful and convenient functions are meaningless if I don't have my freedom because Gimp gives me my freedom.
▶ No.1064066>>1064068
>>1064036
GIMP > Photoshop > MS Paint
>>1064041
Nigger Photoshop doesn't even have some basic filters like white balance, you have to do it manually.
Now go back to your media studies where you only get thought Photoshop.
>>1064042
>I am well aware that Photoshop has many functions that Gimp doesn't have.
None that you need. You could argue for other adobe programs such as Illustrator but Photoshop has nothing that makes it better than GIMP 2.10.
>muh I need CMYK color space
No, you don't need it in a graphics program. It's of no use anyway if all your source material is srgb.
▶ No.1064068>>1064071
>>1064066
>Nigger Photoshop doesn't even have some basic filters like white balance
What exactly does this mystical white balance filter do? Because I can't think of a "white balance filter" that Photoshop wouldn't have.
▶ No.1064071>>1064076
>>1064068
It adjusts the image according to the difference of the brightest pixel to actual white.
▶ No.1064076>>1064080
>>1064071
It's funny how you complain that people won't learn Gimp properly, all the while you refuse to learn Photoshop. There's multiple ways to do that, for example "Auto Tone" in the top menu if you're too lazy to do it properly, or the pipettes in Levels and Curves adjustment panels if you aren't.
▶ No.1064080>>1064086
>>1064076
>There's multiple ways to do that
>lists 1
>for example "Auto Tone" in the top menu if you're too lazy to do it properly
Not white balance.
>or the pipettes in Levels and Curves adjustment panels if you aren't.
What did I say:
>you have to do it manually.
Now stop being a fucking shill. I used both programs for a long time and know how they work but I sticked with GIMP.
▶ No.1064081>>1064086
Or the color to alpha filter.
▶ No.1064086>>1064089
>>1064080
What is the difference? In which context do you have images where you need to fix white pixels rather than overall color balance in such a way that neither auto tone nor auto color are sufficient? I don't understand the function you're proposing.
>>1064081
That I'll give you.
▶ No.1064088>>1064095
And if you really have such a big issue with GIMP you can always use Kitra. I don't use it and don't know how fully featured it is but it doesn't use a web browser with flash for the GUI.
I know Photoshop has uses one because I somehow made it show me the HTML code. What a piece of shit. As if asked for that.
▶ No.1064089>>1064095
>>1064086
If you don't want to stretch color or contrast but just want to correct the brightness and color.
Sometimes retards on the internet apply additive color filters to images which can be easily undone with that.
▶ No.1064090
https://gmic.eu/download.shtml
Is also very good for complicated effects.
Available for GIMP, Kitra, Paint.NET and as command line tool.
▶ No.1064095>>1064096 >>1064098 >>1064109 >>1068834
>>1064088
Krita is the opposite side of the same Gimp coin. It's not better as much as it just has the good and bad parts in different places. Honestly if you combined the good parts of Krita with the good parts of Gimp you'd have a pretty spiffy program, but separately neither is great outside some very limited contexts.
To be more specific, Krita has a lot of things that are half assed, buggy, or completely unfinished. Text tool being the most obvious example. Some parts of the UI are broken or stupid, for example the sliders don't always work properly, and the canvas zooming steps are at weird arbitrary levels instead of logical increments. It has much less filters and many of them are shit, for example the sharpening filter gives all kinds of artifacts. What it does right is mostly UX, the core usability is much more comfortable than Gimp. It also has a much better layer system and supports non-destructive editing, even if it gets laggy sometimes.
>>1064089
I still don't quite understand how it differs from the auto functions in Photoshop, I'd have to compare them more extensively.
▶ No.1064096>>1064101
>>1064095
You Photoshop faggots are just stubborn because you had to learn it in your media course and were so proud of yourself.
I've seen you fags IRL. Rating other people by how much the tools they use cost. Disgusting.
Arguments:
>industry standard
>industry standard
>GIMP is complicated hipster software
>GIMP is complicated hipster software
>Adobe has my money to invest
>Adobe has my money to invest
>Adobe has my money to invest
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>non-destructive
>smart objects
>smart objects
A raster program doesn't need vector features. As long as you don't resize the same layer 5 times you don't need Photoshop to resize it when your actually saving it.
The process is not gone. Just moved to the end for retarded designerfags who can't just use logic to do at at the end (when they know how big what should be) by themselves.
>supports non-destructive editing
>tfw when I wrote all this without even reading your post to this point.
I might just gas all of you degenerate corporate ass licking faggots.
>much better layer system
It's not. I'm waiting for multilayer selection and you think your Adobe layershitery leads to anything productive.
▶ No.1064098>>1064101
>>1064095
>is the opposite side of the same Gimp coin
In your world Paint.NET is probably on the side of the coin.
Oh god! A raster image editor that doesn't cost anything and didn't appear in my media course! It must be shit!
▶ No.1064099
I don't really do anything with either photoshop or gimp but adobe's standards have always been shit. I fucking hate both flash and pdfs and I hope they get absolutely fucked for having created those abominations.
▶ No.1064109
>>1064095
Gimp - Image editing.
Krita - painting.
▶ No.1064110
The latest version of gimp is actually very good. The fucking filters also got normie friendly.
▶ No.1064111>>1064116 >>1064120 >>1064246
Most of the people comparing Photoshop and GIMP have no idea what they're talking about and are not in a position to make any kind of reasoned assessment.
I've used GIMP on my (exclusively) Lignux desktops nearly daily for years, and I run a media business that relies on the Adobe suite (Photoshop, Lightroom, After Effects, and Premiere).
Photoshop's tools -- all of them -- have built-in smarts about the way they do things. It's especially noticeable with selections and opacities. Photoshop generally produces better-looking results for the most common cases, creating refined edges with subtle alpha taper, without you having to do anything at all. This is a godsend for someone just trying to make something look nice and not all aliased and fucked. Now, in certain cases (usually shitposting) I want the program to stupidly do what I told it to do and nothing else, and that's when I use GIMP. But for professional media you're going to have a better time with Photoshop.
GIMP still does not have non-destructive editing. This is critical for explorability and flexibility. Destructive editing binds you to a linear path of undo/redo. It fucking blows. Non-destructive editing means you can change anything at any time, which is the entire point of computerized editing, really. Imagine having a video editor that isn't an NLE. What's the point of this being on a fucking computer? I really cannot emphasize how much of a mental box this is. It's totally suffocating. What the hell?
Photoshop's Content-Aware system simply cannot be beat. That shit is magic. For those who don't know, Content-Aware tools use orphan souls and presumably machine learning to magically fill in the background of things. You know how fucking boomers will ask if you can move things in a photo to reveal what's behind them and you're like no, you stupid fuck, that isn't how any of this works, the data doesn't exist? Well now, most of the time, you can. I've removed people and objects from photos and even video and had the holes immediately and automatically filled in, with results ranging from serviceable to literally pixel-perfect. It's really astonishing. We've had footage come in with dirt on the sensor and I get some coffee and polygon that shit and Adobe makes it go away.
When I have to use Adobe software, I bitch a lot. I'm usually mumbling curses under my breath the entire time, because a lot of things are so fucking asstarded with the UI. I'm used to GIMP and I prefer GIMP. But it produces better results, full-stop.
GIMP is essentially super-MSPaint and I use it as such, for edits, memes, and glitch art (which I'm very fond of). At all of these things GIMP is easier, faster, and better than Photoshop. For anything real-world you're going to get better results with Photoshop. I love GIMP, but it's currently an image editor, not a photo editor. This is a critical distinction.
Don't even get me started on Lightroom/Darktable or Premiere/anything else. Fuck.
Adobe software sucks in various ways but it's generally much more reliable and usable than the alternatives and this is why it persists.I never went to a "media course" whatever the fuck that is. I've always been self-taught, like all my editors.
Yeah, it's proprietary software, but I'm not going to sit here morally cranking out shitty-looking photography when I can use Adobe and make a ton of money instead. Lol.
I forecast much asshurt and continued bitching ITT but it doesn't matter because you're all wrong. Seriously, there are some people who just don't fucking get it and never will, like office drones who think their Word document website with twenty different rainbow fonts looks good (fuck I despise Office so god damn much). Some people just like to put shit into their eyes. More power to you. I'm going to be over here extracting dosh from suits.
t. entrepreneurial titan
▶ No.1064116>>1064122
>>1064111
>GIMP is essentially super-MSPaint and I use it as such, for edits, memes, and glitch art (which I'm very fond of). At all of these things GIMP is easier, faster, and better than Photoshop
I've tried to use Gimp many times for various purposes but I just can't imagine where this argument comes from (ignoring the stupid shit and bloated cancer adobe has added ever since creative cloud). Can you explain what you think Gimp does better and how?
▶ No.1064120>>1064122 >>1065556
>>1064111
>I run a media business
You're supposed to say: I'm a women making email advertisements for an advertisement company run by a fat kike.
Not: I'm a fat kike!
>Adobe suite (Photoshop, Lightroom, After Effects, and Premiere).
>generally produces better-looking results
Lie.
>creating refined edges with subtle alpha taper, without you having to do anything at all.
Same as GIMP or any other.
>not all aliased and fucked.
>implying GIMP does
>built-in smarts
>But for professional media you're going to have a better time with Photoshop.
>muh professional
>GIMP still does not have non-destructive editing
>non-destructive editing
>non-destructive editing
>non-destructive editing
>non-destructive editing
>non-destructive editing
JUST DIE
>Content-Aware tools
>For those who don't know, Content-Aware tools use orphan souls and presumably machine learning to magically fill in the background of things.
No it doesn't. It works like the GMIC filling filter with the sole difference of not being adjustable thus producing worse results
>super-MSPaint
>compares image editor with Opentype font feature support with MS paint
>For anything real-world you're going to get better results with Photoshop
>real-world
>not a photo editor
Computers don't care where the pixels come from.
>generally much more reliable and usable than the alternatives
No it's more buggy than GIMP.
>Yeah, it's proprietary software
>trying to sound neutral at this point after all this text
>make a ton of money instead
t. 50ct chinese slave worker trying to sell us Adobe software
Come on. Get a better job.
>I forecast much asshurt and continued bitching ITT but it doesn't matter because you're all wrong.
>When I have to use Adobe software, I bitch a lot
You know who's wrong? You, Mr. Goldberg!
>t. entrepreneurial titan
t. poor Adobe advertisment slave who is allowed to larp as his masters.
▶ No.1064122>>1064124 >>1064128
>>1064116
For memes I don't give a shit if it looks perfect and it's much, much faster to throw things together, resize canvas, select+delete, snap layers to content, ctrl+., etc. Photoshop makes these things less accessible whereas GIMP has a very select+delete workflow by necessity.
I would guess it's just me being more used to GIMP, but it's happened a lot that I'm watching one of my editors throw some shitpost together after hours in Photoshop and I'm like "just select by color" and they have to dick around through menus instead of just keybind+click+delete
>>1064120
holy shit capped
▶ No.1064124>>1064128
>>1064122
You summed it up pretty well. GIMP has less functionality but it just works for when you need something to just work. Photoshop has more power but has a god awful UI that requires you invest days learning all it's corner cases to make it work for you. The autistic artist will benefit from shop, but the average person will just see a million options and no way to find what they're looking for.
Photoshop is also bloated to fuck. It can make gaymin machines choke on how bloated it is. Which is weird consider how many artists just want to use laptops and tablets when they sit in a starbucks. Maybe drawing tablets have replaced that market though?
If you could get 'shop without the cloud I'd learn it. But cloud stuff is a ball ache. I don't want 5 things running just so I can edit an image.
▶ No.1064128>>1064132
>>1064122
Personally I find Gimp to be the opposite of fast. That said I don't have every function mapped into muscle memory so maybe that's why. I find Krita for instance to be much easier to do quick memeshit in.
>select+delete
What do you mean by this? Deleting everything outside of the selection or something?
>>1064124
>the average person will just see a million options and no way to find what they're looking for
Gimp is arguably even worse for this though because it has a less clear design in my opinion. The UI of PS is cluttered but it's at least very organized and clearly defined.
>Photoshop is also bloated to fuck
Ever since adobe shat out creative cloud all of their software has become incredibly bloated and slower, you'll see all kinds of web engine processes and node.js and shit running when you use their programs nowadays.
▶ No.1064132>>1064135
>>1064128
I find GIMP's easier to navigate because you can mouse over and less options. it's not menus menus menus.
GIMPS biggest UI problem is it fucked up all the icons in the latest release and you have to change them back to the old ones in a menu some where
▶ No.1064134
Between cucks bending to Adobe and spergs denying the reality that Gimp is inadequate for anything serious we're doomed to failure.
▶ No.1064135
>>1064132
>GIMPS biggest UI problem is it fucked up all the icons in the latest release and you have to change them back to the old ones in a menu some where
No.
▶ No.1064178>>1065559
>>1063814
I can swear by Ardour. Damn fine piece of software
▶ No.1064181
>>1063865
Bad artists blame their tools. Get gud.
▶ No.1064182
>>1064041
So in other words PS is bloat.
▶ No.1064207>>1064208
>>“We have recently discontinued certain older versions of Creative Cloud applications and and a result, under the terms of our agreement, you are no longer licensed to use them,” Adobe said in the email. “Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.”
The courts will ride Adobe because the jury are still humans and they don't like being told things like that.
▶ No.1064208>>1064210
>>1064207
So you're saying that licensing agreements that users are supposed to accept will be invalidated by the courts?
▶ No.1064210>>1064214 >>1064224
>>1064208
Do you think that the jury will side with a company suing somebody for using old software? Does the Jury want to open the doors to others being sued by other entities?
▶ No.1064213>>1064630
LOOK OUT, BEST IMAGE EDITOR COMIN THRU
▶ No.1064214>>1064339
>>1064210
There might be a "No Jury Trial Clause" in the ToS
I'm not checking though
▶ No.1064218>>1064291 >>1064343
Fuck it. Use GIMP. Donate money to the project. Open source is philanthropy. Fuck Adobe.
Don't foget software piracy hurts Jews. Keep doing it.
▶ No.1064224
>>1064210
I'm saying that the courts will side with the one who issued the license agreement. They will hold the people who chose to agree with the license agreement (the licensee) to the terms that they agreed to. The idea is that if they refuse to agree to license, then the potential licensee has zero license to use the Adobe software and therefore is liable to a lawsuit by Adobe.
▶ No.1064246
>>1064111
checking these trips of /thread
▶ No.1064291
>>1064218
Money will not change anything.
▶ No.1064339
>>1064214
that cant be legal
▶ No.1064343>>1064345
>>1064218
>Don't foget software piracy hurts Jews. Keep doing it.
Only if you never share your project files with anyone. The moment you send out a PSD you force the other person to use Photoshop as well. Adobe would rather have nine out of ten people pirate Photoshop because that one person is going to buy it, than have ten people use Gimp.
>>1063701
That image is shit, it conflates gratis with libre. I would rather recommend people a libre software that costs money and delivers quality than one that is proprietary but gratis.
▶ No.1064345
>>1064343
except the majority of people buy photoshop to make JPGs and PNGs, and only a small minority buys photoshop to open PSDs from other people
▶ No.1064625>>1064632
▶ No.1064633>>1065562
>>1064630
>Tuxpaint has a line and shape tools
>Gimp doesn't
Best FOSS image editor confirmed.
▶ No.1064637
>>1064630
clearly a ui that was designed by gnu people
▶ No.1065551
>>1063701
>Paint tool sai
>alternative to PS
oh im laffin
▶ No.1065553
>>1063802
the OP is about CC not CS you retard, you can't actually buy it it's always been a renting thing. Doesnt stop anyone from pirating though
▶ No.1065555
>>1063882
krita is better than sai but not photoshop for concept and illustration. why bother with inferior software, gimp is shit and nobody wants to keep switching programs.
▶ No.1065556
>>1064120
NDE is part of all professional workflows and no amount of screeching will stop that.
▶ No.1065559>>1065682
>>1063814
>>1064178
>try to download it
>hurrdurr pls pay us
>get a "demo" version by giving us your email
What a piece of shit software
▶ No.1065562>>1065566 >>1065584
▶ No.1065566>>1065584 >>1065619 >>1065622
>>1065562
Wow, amazing, I wonder why some people don't consider this the same as a line tool, surely those people are just adobe shills and don't know what they're talking about and not the other way round!
▶ No.1065584>>1065586
>>1065566
Use the path tool and draw it when you're done with your path. No one needs a line tool for drawing a fucking line.
How often do you have to draw a single fucking line?
Nearly never. It's nearly always lineS or curves.
And >>1065562 looks nearly indistinguishable provided you don't make a transparent line.
▶ No.1065586>>1065622
>>1065584
>lol yea so it's worse and only works if you use it in a specific way so what lol I don't use it that's why it doesn't count XD
OR I could just use a real program that does it correctly instead of making excuses and workarounds.
▶ No.1065588
Or you use your brain and set the primary color to light grey instead of dark grey and stop drawing straight lines with transparency.
▶ No.1065590>>1065601 >>1065617
Or you go back to using Paint. I just checked.
IT HAS A LINE TOOL
and rectangles and stars.
It's so advanced it even has arrows and speech bubbles and david stars.
The perfect tool for you.
▶ No.1065601>>1065624
>>1065590
>use MS Paint because it has features that Gimp doesn't
I hope you realize that this isn't an argument in favor of Gimp.
▶ No.1065617>>1065624
>>1065590
gimp has custom brushes which all can be set to different asorted shapes and... you can make your own! based off of a simple selecton you can make ur own brush shapes.
As for line tools.. why do you need a dedicated tool for that? just shift click with any tool and there you go!
It's much easier!
▶ No.1065619
>>1065566
>uses transparent tool
>wonders why it's transparent
Alright, retard. Now select "pencil" or "paint brush"
Or.. set the current tool to be 100% opaque
▶ No.1065622>>1065629
>>1065566
Works on my machine
>>1065586
fun fact: opacity is always set 100% by default, you literally had to go out of your way to fuck that up.
▶ No.1065624>>1065628
>>1065617
I'm not the line tool faggot >>1065601 is.
I'm merely making fun of him.
▶ No.1065628
>>1065624
Yeah, and i was mocking you.
▶ No.1065629>>1065633 >>1065788
>>1065622
>Works on my machine
It clearly doesn't because the top right line exhibits the same issue.
>opacity is always set 100% by default, you literally had to go out of your way to fuck that up.
Are you guys seriously this retarded? I legit can't tell whether this is brain damage or bait. It's like telling someone that the tool only works if you use red color and that's fine since you can just change the color to red. What if I want to make a blue line? "WAHH WAHH STOP USING BLUE IT'S UR FAULT FOR NOT DRAWING RED LINES!"
At least Krita can draw lines correctly, pic related.
▶ No.1065633>>1065634 >>1065787
>>1065629
>It clearly doesn't because the top right line exhibits the same issue.
I did that on purpose lmao
▶ No.1065634>>1065635
>>1065633
And what did you have to do to make that? This is the circle argument again, "it's fine since you can do it through an esoteric 7 step process!"
▶ No.1065635>>1065636 >>1065681
>>1065634
I literally just shift+clicked.
▶ No.1065636>>1065638
>>1065635
Sure you did buddy, that's why we've had this argument all this time about it not working.
▶ No.1065638>>1065642
>>1065636
What version are you using?
▶ No.1065642
>>1065638
Apparently there was a new version just this month, so both 2.10.8 and 2.10.10.
▶ No.1065681
>>1065635
>shift+clicked.
Stupid question: does that >>1065635 anon knows what is the shift key ?
▶ No.1065682
>>1065559
>demands payment for free software
>software is a piece of shit
Don't you have a low value email account dedicated to email signups?
▶ No.1065788>>1065798
▶ No.1065798
>>1065787
>>1065788
Read the post you responded to so I don't have to type it again in response to you.
▶ No.1065823
Do fags in this thread really not understand layer-level opacity and brush opacity and how they're different?
▶ No.1066067>>1066076 >>1069248
I would use GIMP if it hadn't always been fucking horrible to use. Instead, I've been using Paint Shop Pro SINCE NINETEEN FUCKING NINETY FIVE. Works great in every version of Windows from 3 all the way through 10.
I tried to use GIMP back in the days of Quake 2, but found the interface to be an unusable fucking mess that only served to infuriate me. Nothing was in a logical place, and too many needless steps had been added to every simple function. It didn't help that all of the work I saw produced by GIMP was elementary "my mommy says I'm the best drawer" level shit.
▶ No.1066074
>>1063630 (OP)
>you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties
That's the bitch with proprietary dependency hell.
If Adobe's license expired for the 3rd party sw and they didn't renew it, the license holder could sue the user for violating the agreement.
Point for Free Software, I guess.
▶ No.1066076>>1066098
>>1066067
Gimp has a specific mission and your mission doesn't align properly with Gimp's mission. That's too bad for you.
▶ No.1066098
>>1066076
If its mission is to be a colossal piece of retard shit then It has succeeded.
▶ No.1068806
>>1063630 (OP)
>should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.
The license would have included boilerplate clauses where Adobe indemnified the users against any claims from *third parties* relating to copyright, patent infringement etc. (ie, you wont get into trouble for using our software, we'll take care of it.) This is not a threat from Adobe that they will sue the users themselves. It's basically an irrelevant technicality that only lawyers would care about. (But for sure, they are trying to spook users into upgrading.)
▶ No.1068814
>>1063646
How's your anal prolapse doing?
I mean I doubt it's getting better when constantly getting assreamed and still being forced to pay for it.
▶ No.1068815
>>1063664
This is like asking Apple to ape Microsoft just because Windows is most commonly used.
▶ No.1068834
>>1063801
>>1063706
>>1063774
>Gimp
Just fucking use Krita. It's thousand better than shitty Gimp.
At least that one is more intuitive than Gimp.
From what I know, they can open .psd files too.
Like the example here >>1063882 and >>1064095
If the guys want to edit comics/mangas whatever, you can try with Krita to see how it works.
Sure, it's a pain in the ass to learn all... Where is the text, clone stamp and other things but once you figure it out it's not that hard.
Krita is getting better and better with guys fixing issues and doing it better recently.
I hope they expand it to be a photoshop clone in future. Who know. I'm sure I'm fine with Krita and other alternatives to photoshop shit.
▶ No.1069197>>1069245
They literally are not allowed to do that. Whatever license they give is bullshit and illegal. The software is not a service, its a product you legally are allowed to own and they do not have the right to tell you that you can no longer run it and probably can be sued for saying so.
Fucking proprietary software
▶ No.1069237
>>1063646
We know you're trolling, but you deserve to be raped by a pack of feral niggers.
▶ No.1069245>>1069246
>>1069197
Of course they are allowed to do that. You are supposed to agree to the license in which they control all the power. If you disagree, you're supposed to never touch the Adobe software. This is the life that people chose when they accepted Adobe software.
▶ No.1069246>>1069247
>>1069245
And if they put in the license agreement that they are allowed to come to your house and rape you with a cactus every week, are they really allowed to do that? I doubt there are any license agreements at all that would hold up in court, but neither side gives enough of a shit to ever take them to court, basically making the whole thing pointless.
▶ No.1069247>>1069250
>>1069246
Yes. That's what the people willingly chose to accept. Nobody forced them to accept the license. If they didn't like it, then they should never touch it.
▶ No.1069248
>>1066067
>I tried to use GIMP back in the days of Quake 2,
That was over 20 years ago, anon. I guarantee you, there have been some major changes.
▶ No.1069250>>1069251
>>1069247
The law doesn't work that way, retard.
▶ No.1069251>>1069258
>>1069250
The law works whatever it allows, retard.
▶ No.1069258>>1069280
>>1069251
Brilliant deduction. Now if only you could demonstrate an instance where it has allowed such a thing.
▶ No.1069280>>1069289
▶ No.1069289>>1069298
>>1069280
>adobe tells
>tells
Are you being this dense on purpose? Adobe can tell anyone anything they want, that doesn't make it the law, nor does it mean it would hold up in court.
▶ No.1069298>>1069300
>>1069289
I hate to break it to you but Adobe users are generally stupid and believe everything told to them including that FOSS graphic programs are shit and that they are using the ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE TOOL USED BY PROFESSIONALS AND HOLLYWOOD AND THE GAYMING INDUSTRY!!!!1111
There's GIMP, Kitra, Mypaint, a billion different drawing programs, Paint.net and many others. It's not hard to find one you like.
▶ No.1069300>>1069303 >>1069304
>>1069298
>there's 5 million versions of MS paint therefore there's no reason to use photoshop!
Peak Gimpfag logic
▶ No.1069303>>1069306
>>1069300
>ONE AND ONLY ULTIMATE TOOL USED BY PROFESSIONALS AND HOLLYWOOD AND THE GAYMING INDUSTRY!!!!1111
Peak Agoybe logic
▶ No.1069304
>>1069300
>5 million
Just 1 million left before Adobe can cry about the Adobecaust again.
▶ No.1069306>>1069307 >>1069309 >>1069314
>>1069303
There's no other program that can do all the things that Photoshop can do as fast as Photoshop can. There's 0 Gimpfags in non-hobbyist visual professions (with the exception of automated scripts for basic adjustments) so they wouldn't know.
▶ No.1069307>>1069310
>>1069306
>posts Terry while advertising the most extreme CIAniggercattle software
I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to laugh or cry.
Terry spits on you from his grave.
▶ No.1069309>>1069310
>>1069306
And your non-hobbyist visual professionalists are just retarded adverting making women who learned using Photoshop as part of their media course.
▶ No.1069310>>1069311 >>1069312 >>1069314 >>1069315
>>1069307
>>1069309
>you're dumb and I hate you
Breathtaking arguments
▶ No.1069311
>>1069310
>no other program that can do all the things that Photoshop can
>things it can do that others can't: 0
>aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh you didn't fall for my hard shilling
Breathtaking arguments
▶ No.1069312
>>1069310
>>you're dumb and I hate you
>implying you're not
Fucking niggercattle.
▶ No.1069313>>1069314
>>1063646
agreed, gimp is an absolute fucking piece of shit made by freaks with mental illnesses.
▶ No.1069314>>1069315
>>1069306
You're GIF took half a minute to load on my computer, you fucking nigger.
>>1069313
>pretending you're not just >>1069310
▶ No.1069315>>1069319
>>1069314
>You're GIF took half a minute to load on my computer
Then it should take 8 seconds to load that 146kb webm, blame 8chan's media server for being a piece of shit recently. Had gifcam and couldn't be bothered to download anything better to this computer.
>pretending you're not just >>1069310
I actually think Gimp has potential to be alright if they get someone to fix their (trigger warning) UX. There's also some great things like layer improvements and nondestructive editing in their roadmap, but that's irrelevant until it's actually in the program. All I'm really saying anyway is that Photoshop is overall the best at it's job and that's why most people use it.
▶ No.1069319>>1069427
>>1069315
>couldn't be bothered to download anything better to this computer.
>bothered to install 3GB Agoybe programs
>doesn't already have FFmpeg installed
>can't even use the Agoybe MP4 renderer
>pretending you're not just
>I actually think Gimp has potential
Doesn't change anything. You are just that shill. Now kill yourself.
▶ No.1069365>>1069367 >>1069427
>>1063630 (OP)
You forgot one link:
https://krita.org/en/
Recent version 4.2.1 fixes most of what everybody here complains about.
▶ No.1069367
>>1069365
P.S.
Personally, I recommend combining both of them (GIMP and Krita).
▶ No.1069427>>1069440
>>1069319
>doesn't already have FFmpeg installed
What the fuck do I need that for? Just because it's decent software doesn't mean I have it installed on every computer in my life.
>>1069365
It doesn't fix anything and actually adds not one but two new problems into the ever expanding list of half assed shit in Krita; since it now creates a new temporary layer every time you create a selection, the layer list keeps shifting up and down and messing up your perception of where a specific layer is. And since they don't know how to optimize anything (pixel rendering vectorization added by some intern-tier guy so it doesn't count), it's so fucking bloated that there's now like half a second delay before you can do anything after making a selection which keeps interrupting me constantly and requires me to adjust my muscle memory to compensate for that lag.
▶ No.1069440>>1069441
>>1069427
If it's that serious, just go to this site to file your problems and complaints:
https://ask.krita.org/ (it's down for some reason today of all days)
They take it a lot more seriously than you think, but it's not going to go anywhere if you keep your yap shut.
▶ No.1069441>>1069652
>>1069440
Last time I wanted to tell them about the things they're fucking up I was told to make an account or something and enable jewgle captcha.
In other words;
no.
▶ No.1069652
>>1069441
The problem is just you.
