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>>1019869 (OP)

> provides users with a pre-configured computing environment for surfing the Internet anonymously

Is this sort of thing really worth making an entire distro for?

>>1019895

the sad thing is that there's a hundred debian/ubuntu-based distros focused on giving an "easy desktop experience"

>pre-configured computing environment for surfing the Internet anonymously

yeah, totally needed, not like we have Heads, Tails, JonDo, etc. (over9000 more)

Dude. Will someone please just tell me which is the best gnu/linux distro?

I hear so many being tossed around.

Please narrow your best 3 down.

>>1019907

Gentoo

Debian

Alpine

>>1019910

>>1019911

ty

>>1019907

a combination of the other replies. Gentoo, anything that is the desktop version of a workstation OS are pretty good, depending on how you want to do things

>>1019918

Minimal installation worth it or do I HAVE to download that big ass 2 gig pos?

>>1019926

download netinstall isos and choose it stuff yourself

>>1019927

tryna burn iso to install into an ssd.

>>1019918

Is gentoo an easy install or do I have to do a command-line install?

I don't want to do an install in terminal.

I like a gui. gooey - I like a gooey

>>1019930

are you going to install Septor?

>>1019937

haven't even looked at that. fuck gentoo btw, 2complicated4me.

just something with a basic os interface I can dive right into without having to customize the shit out off -that doesn't have a ton of bloat.

>finally settle on PureOS

>burn ISO

>turn off laptop, remove battery, open hard drive caddy, pop in SSD

>load boot

>werks

>SSD is 120GB

>PureOS is 102GB...

y.

>>1019950

>PureOS

meme, install something with xfce or lxde

>>1019952

Probably swallow my SSD. Gotta buy a new one before I even think about that. May consider it if I find a decent option.

>>1019950

Why the fuck is the OS that huge

>>1019979

Because it's made The Gnome Way(tm)

>>1020044

Any secret, tiny OS you're not telling us about, anon?

>>1020069

Debian XFCE/Xubuntu Minimal, not even memeing

>>1019907

GuixSD

NixOS

Void

>>1019911

GuixSD/NixOS are quite different. They're probably not great for new users either, though.

>>1020073

trying this later. already burned cd.

>>1020073

Lxqt > XFCE

>>1020114

Recently installed NixOS. It is definitely not for "casuals", but neither is it excessively difficult, unless you are looking to do something very specific. The documentation for the more "marginal" parts of the OS is fairly bad, but you are probably bound to find something with Searchengine-fu, or simply by asking in the IRC, which is almost always helpful. For complicated questions, usually you can open an issue on their GitHub.

>>1020112

void is very easy to use. I switched to it after Debian went tits up.

>>1020201

Just read their page.

non systemd.

not a bloated pos.

small file size.

i like it.

>>1020250

Void's biggest problem is that their BSD-style installer doesn't support hard disk encryption.

>>1020252

I'm just interested in it as an alternative to windows 7 on this toughbook cf-31. I do wanna use my wacom tablet though, dunno if it'll even be recognized by this thing.

>>1020252

You mean like it won't support a program like trucrypt or whatever? I'm not too interested in that sort of thing really. But it sounds like it sucks.

I think it looks like another pointless debian reskin with no use case whatsoever.

<based on Debian and Tor technologies

>implying this distro is better than fucking Whonix

Is Privoxy+TOR overkill anyway unless the threat model is determined as glowniggers?

>>1019952

>meme

This.

>the PureOS devs are fucking braindead regarding the negatives of systemDick

https://archive.fo/TBKyc

okay, installed void, running void and icecat. meh, I hate the whole terminal emulator aspect of it. just wanted a simple brainlet clickety click. but alright. so any good programs with installing on this thing? not familiar with good linux programs or debian packages.

>>1020458

*worth installing, sorry.

>>1020362

You can set up disk encryption on Void, but you need a manual installation for that. The ncurses installer doesn't support it for whatever reason.

>>1020482

That wont be necessary anon, kek. This piece of crap bricked my SSD it seems. Or maybe I typed in a detrimental command. All I know is, Void isn't even loading. Trying to research to clean out an SSD to try again some other time.

Sage because this thread is an Ad.

>>1019895

no, since Tails exists.

>>1019911

>Any distro, the only difference they make is package count in default repos and package manager really, I haven't seen a distro that would be somehow different from this scheme yet

>what is Gentoo?

>what is Alpine?

>what is NixOS?

also, you shouldn't just trust a random flavor of the month meme. Iam not talking about xubuntu here, but distros like Kali and Manjaro, for instance. Kali is okay for VMs/LiveCd, but absolutely terribad for regular use. But instead install a distro that's actually trustworthy and sane.

>>1020458

>void

<debian packages

wat. You should just install Xubuntu or something, and learn to actually use GNU+Linux, before you use more advanced distros. If you are new to Linux, I recommend

>>1020483

>this piece of crap bricked my SSD

lol she fell for the SSD meme and tbh you probably just can't into encrypting

>>1020486

>If you are new to Linux, I recommend

lol what a faggot, can't even finish his sentences.

Anyway, if you are new to Loonix, always read the manual before you run a command or a shell script. You can read the manual by typing man followed by the thing that you want to know about. You can use man -k Keyword to search manual pages related to the Keyword. Some programs have more comprehensive info pages (and their manual pages are more basic), you can read them using the info utility. You should at least read man 1 intro page and manual's manual page (man man).

Learn to use ArchWiki even if you don't use Arch Linux : https://wiki.archlinux.org/ ArchWiki has a list of programs that you should consult when you are looking for a program for a particular purpose. Second, read parts 1 and 2 from this guide: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html

Third, if you want to learn more about UNIX and Linux ecosystem, read: http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/

>>1020486

not a she. SSD worked fine too.

and void isn't that advanced, I followed the prompts just fine, and I'm a total noob to this. I think the software itself may just be unstable in a way that I didn't know how to dodge or perhaps I missed a step. the SSD can be cleared and run again. I also didn't like having to tweak basic shit anyway (brightness for exp was poorly calibrated). I'll probably try it again when I read up on it more. All I can say about void for now is that it is pretty minimal, and it requires too much fine tuning to get started

>>1020495

It's also incompatible with tiuchscreen as far I know/read. tried finding a wacom tablet compatible program and they had these seemingly outdated drivers. to even install a zip program (gzip) i had a hard time.

>>1020496

like it would say gzip was already installed, and when I'd look up the program, it was not there like at all. then I'd try rinstalling or seeking it out in the repository, it just wasn't there. weird.

>>1020496

>>1020495

anon stop thinking in fucking memes. You do not want a minimal distro. Now go download one of the main distros and try them out instead.

>>1020501

Name me one that is compatible with touchscreen or wacom tablets and I'll try it. From what I can see, that doesn't seem like a main focus of any of em. Yet video and image editing software is provided.

>>1020503

install xubuntu or lubuntu

>>1020504

Xubuntu=systemd?

>>1020512

Yes. All distros based on Ubuntu have SystemD. Unfortunately not many of the main distros missed the Pottering meme.

>>1019886

can someone give me a tl;dr of systemd?

>>1020670

big and ugly.

>>1020503

Wacom tablets work pretty nuch out of the box on any distro. Minimal distros need to install manually xsetwacom for some calibration/configuration, but in most cases, it is not necessary.

I don't know about touchscreens because they are ghey, but I am sure most distros support it. Specially Ubuntu and derivates.

>>1020670

It's a controversial init system and service manager that is developed by Red Hat (pretty much the equivalent of Microsoft in the Linux world). SystemD overextends in all directions and tries to do everything (ntp client, bootloader, cron, syslog, etc.) SystemD is so big, complex and bloated that it might as well be proprietary software. Not to mention that whenever someone criticizes SystemD or find a bug, the top SystemD developers try to squirm and say that "it's not a bug", "look, that isn't a severe issue" and "WONT FIX lol". But despite all this, SystemD was heavily pushed, and it's has been now adapted by most Linux distros (there are few distros, like Void, Gentoo and Alpine that use and/or support other init systems.)

>>1020694

>It's a controversial init system and service manager that is developed by Red Hat (pretty much the equivalent of Microsoft in the Linux world).

controversial? it's a fucking botnet and backdoor developed by commercial jews and pushed to 90% linuxes

>But despite all this, SystemD was heavily pushed, and it's has been now adapted by most Linux distros (there are few distros, like Void, Gentoo and Alpine that use and/or support other init systems.)

why was it allowed? why linux lost so quickly? why stallman allowed it?

>>1020715

Stallman doesn't believe that complex software is proprietary software. Stallman believes that software that is distributed under the GPL (or LGPL for systemd) is free software and can always be modified by the user.

>>1020715

>why was it allowed? why linux lost so quickly? why stallman allowed it?

Linux is just a kernel, GNU/Linux is an operating system.

Stallman have nothing to do with decisions, that distro maintainers make. They don't know why systemd is bad, don't care about it, or just are too lazy to oppose it. They are also mostly "open source" lovers. The term "open source" is weak, people, who use it often forget about free software and freedom it gives and concentrate about convenience.

>>1020723

Technically he's right, but in practice, systemd might as well be proprietary. Anything huge like that is a nightmare that needs (((funding))) for big dev team. It's that way on purpose, of course, so Redhat can get more and justify fundings. Same reason Microsoft makes a lot of huge bloated shits. There's no fucking money in making solid products that empower the end user to fix the stuff himself when it breaks.

systemd is for literal retards who don't know how to AUTOEXEC.BAT in {insert your favorite script language here}

Use runit.

>>1020500

It's because gzip, alongside zip, p7zip, etc., are command line utilities only. There are GUI versions, but generally they are developed differently from the command line ones.

>59 replies

<about fuckin meme distro, like 99% of distributions are

>it still fuckin boils to "just install x"

YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THIS BOARDS SUCKS

==FOR AT LEAST FUCKIN YEAR==

>>1020757

>doesn't read thread

>reeee

What a fucking tard

>>1020495

>I think the software itself may just be unstable in a way that I didn't know how to dodge

Nope; been using Void as a daily driver for over 2 years. What exactly is not working? I can help troubleshoot with you.

>I also didn't like having to tweak basic shit anyway

Unfortunately for you, that's done on purpose. Void stays out of your way and let's you configure stuff how you want.

>All I can say about void for now is that it is pretty minimal, and it requires too much fine tuning to get started

Again, this is done on purpose as the distro tries to stay out of your way.

>I'll probably try it again when I read up on it more

I encourage that you do and I am willing to help you out if you need it. A lot of the weird, tedious, and seemingly cryptic configuration steps aren't that frustrating once you've done them enough; additionally, you would encounter almost all of them on any other "minimal"/"diy config" distro or Unix-like system.

The only thing that I agree with that can be truly frustrating in Void is that is uses LibreSSL instead of OpenSSL and there are sometimes software (the vast majority of which are proprietary) that will not work unless you build the libssl and libcrypto libraries from OpenSSL yourself. LibreSSL is the better choice for an SSL library in terms of security though so it is good that Void ships it by default.

>>1020252

>>1020482

Yeah the lack of easy encrypted installation is annoying. To be fair, all you have to do is encrypt the partitions that you want using cryptsetup (which isn't too weird once you've read a few guides or watched a few tutorials, or better yet the manpage) and then you can return to the installer like normal. I think they don't include it because some people want LUKS on LVM and some want LVM on LUKS, and they're too lazy to add all of those options to the installer (which isn't a good excuse though).

>>1020727

Stallman's idea of freedom is a matter of authority, not convenience. Users must have the permission to see the source code so that they can study it and modify it to do different things. When users have this permission to study the source code, they don't necessarily have to do it with their own two eyes. Users will have the right to ask for help from a friend (if they have one willing to work) or they can hire one or more professional software developers to do the work.

>>1020746

void uses runit. is why i wanted to install void. it's a for sure non sysd. it's also very minimal, but I had trouble unpacking things in it so I dunno, mayb I'll give it another shot when I clear out my ssd.

>>1020754

interesting. I should have read up in that further. i still couldn't get it open afterward though, the command is unknown to me.

i was trying xbps-install -S Gzip or something like that.

>>1020803

the manual alone would have been a huge help. I didn't read it. I was just following steps from a youtube vid then I got curious to try the commands on the void page. there again, the commands didn't always work because like it says here >>1020754 I would never have figured this out myself. All new to me. anything Gnu is pretty new to me in general.

>>1020820

>Stallman's idea of freedom

Stallman's idea of freedom is a decades-long autistic spergout stemming from the time he couldn't get the source code to a printer driver back in the 1970s. Later on, of course, he realized that he could harness goyim like the cattle his race believes they are in order to have them write a bunch of other software for him to use.

Occasionally, the goyim so harnessed get uppity, as happened when an emacs dev made the mistake of believing that promoting his idea of the direction emacs development should go was a conversation among equals. "Doctor" Stallman (fun fact: though he likes to style himself Dr. Stallman, he never earned an actual doctoral degree) told him that, no, he is the head Yid in charge of the GNU Project, tyvm, and that emacs will go in the direction he chooses. Because even in the world of "free software," the goyim don't own nothin'.

>>1021079

In the world of free software, users control the software they use. Any other narrative you care to spout is meaningless. Users can do whatever they want as long as they are willing to make it happen.

how did a thread about a gay systemd kde distro get 70 replies