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I started working at 15, when I took a job as a pizza cook. Over the next seven years, I moved up the ranks, to a driver, shift manager, and then as part of the “new store opening team.” The franchise was growing, and we needed to help new franchisees open their new stores. I’d travel to where the new store was a week before they would open, help train the new staff, and then work their opening weekend. It was really fulfilling work; if pizza paid as well as tech, I’d seriously consider doing it forever.
One time, somewhere in Maryland, I got a bit ill. It wasn’t a good idea for me to work the rest of the week, but the company’s top brass would usually visit to cut the ribbon on the store. It was about a four hour drive back to home, and our COO graciously agreed to let me come back to the ‘burgh with him, so I could recover at home. On the drive, I asked him what he did before working here, and the answer really surprised me. “Oh, I was the CEO of American Eagle. I grew them from 20 locations to 200, and then decided to move on.” To a kid from the suburbs, being in charge of one of the most popular clothing brands among my peers seemed like a great gig. Why’d he quit? The answer is something that’s really stuck with me; this happened about fifteen years ago. What he told me was this: at each stage of a company’s growth, they have different needs. Those needs generally require different skills. What he enjoyed, and what he had the skills to do, was to take a tiny company and make it medium sized. Once a company was at that stage of growth, he was less interested and less good at taking them from there. And that was what he was trying to do for our pizza chain.
I’ve mostly worked at small companies. I did a startup, then consulted, then worked for a series of companies with five to 15 people. I quit one of those jobs when I found Rust. What I saw in Rust was something that the world really needed. And I wanted to help it get there. Beyond that, the only real way to get a job working on Rust was to work at Mozilla. And independently of Rust, that was something I’m really excited about.
Here’s a poster on my wall:
I’ve been using Firefox before it was called Firefox. This poster is of a two-page ad that Mozilla took out in the New York Times to announce Firefox 1.0. I’ve long believed in Mozilla’s mission. This was an exciting opportunity!
Fast forward a few years. Rust has been growing, we’re doing great things. I love my team. But every time that this means interacting with Mozilla more broadly, I end up being frustrated. I could say a lot of things here, but I won’t get into the details. What’s really important is this: I’m not proud to be a Mozillian anymore. A variety of incidents contributed to this, but at the end of the day, it’s what’s true. Furthermore, I don’t have any personal opportunity at Mozilla; I recently discovered I’m the lowest-paid person on my team, and Mozilla doesn’t pay particularly well in the first place. In order to have any kind of career growth, I would have to not do the work that doesn’t align with my skills, and what I’m doing now is really how I can have the most impact on Rust moving forward.
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I don’t believe that has any chance of changing; when I’ve tried to express my frustrations, I’ve only gotten disciplined. Mozilla is not interested in hearing what I have to say. And that’s fine, but when I take a step back and think about things, that means it’s time to go, for both my sake and Mozilla’s. So I’ve just put in my two weeks’ notice.
So what’s next? Well, the first thing is that I don’t plan to stop working on Rust. How much I’ll be able to depends on what’s next, but that’s the great part about open source; I can continue to help the thing I love, even if it might not be full-time anymore.
I’ve also been enamored with another technology recently: WebAssembly. 2019 is going to be a huge year for WebAssembly, even if many people don’t know it yet, and may not see the effects until 2020. Once again, I find myself seeing something that the world needs, and I think I have the skills to help make that happen. Unlike with Rust, I don’t think that WebAssembly needs my help to actually work on it itself; I think it’s not yet found its killer application. I’d like to help find out what that is, and help both wasm and that application grow.
There’s something similar in Google’s Fuchsia. I’ve worked with the web for a long time, but doing Rust for the last few years, I’ve also really enjoyed systems-level work. Fuchsia is very interesting and a bit of an enigma, but I can’t wait to see how it turns out. They use a lot of Rust, and plan to use more. I’m not really a kernel hacker, and I’m not sure that Fuchsia is far enough along to really need my skills, but it also really piques my interest.
Additionally, I’m always open to other things. Before Rust, I worked at Balanced Payments, which was one of my favorite jobs I’ve ever had. I would have never thought I’d want to work at a payments company, but by being open to it, I found an awesome role, with fantastic co-workers. Maybe what I do next will be something completely different!
In terms of the actual work I would like to do, I don’t think a traditional engineering role really suits me. Don’t get me wrong, I love to write some code, but I don’t think that those kinds of roles really play to my unique strengths. What I really love to do is teaching, evangelizing, and growing something. I’ve done it with Rust, and I can do it again. I could see several roles or hybrid ones here, with titles like “developer evangelist,” “product manager”, or possibly even “VP of Growth.” I want something that challenges me, and where I can grow my career.
So if you’re:
>A company that wants to invest in Rust, or at Rust in your company
>A company that thinks they can take webassembly (and their product built on it) to the next level
>The Fuchsia team at Google
or something completely different that you think I’d be psyched about, please email me and let’s see where things go!
https://words.steveklabnik.com/thank-u-next
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>>1017350 (OP)
>I recently discovered I’m the lowest-paid person on my team
LMAO
▶ No.1017356>>1017357 >>1017361
>Rust
Stopped reading there
tl:dr OP is a rust shilling faggot
▶ No.1017357>>1017363 >>1017977
>>1017356
>Steve Klabnik is shilling Rust
>Steve Klabnik is a faggot
... yes??? It is the current year. Be a bit more tolerant.
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>>1017356
>tl:dr OP is a rust shilling faggot
wrong.
tl;dr Steve Klabnik just quit his job at Mozilla.
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>>1017352
>>1017357
>>1017350 (OP)
Why do these Millenial Faggots think that it's ok to show up in a hoodie at a press conference. As early as the IBM days all the way up to the early 2000's, computer-people would dress in suit like a professional. They were proud, Aryan minds. Now, these Millenials dress like they're sitting on the couch in their studio apartment on a cold day or dress in some kind of protest to something no one understands.
▶ No.1017364>>1017365
Everything is really fuckign vague.
Spill the beans Steve. Is pozzilla seriously too pozzed for even you?
▶ No.1017365>>1017378 >>1021625
>>1017363
>press conference
What are you talking about?
>if you don't pay thousands of dollars for your clothing you are unprofessional
lol
>>1017364
>Spill the beans Steve.
I don’t have any personal opportunity at Mozilla; I recently discovered I’m the lowest-paid person on my team, and Mozilla doesn’t pay particularly well in the first place.
I don’t believe that has any chance of changing; when I’ve tried to express my frustrations, I’ve only gotten disciplined. Mozilla is not interested in hearing what I have to say. And that’s fine, but when I take a step back and think about things, that means it’s time to go, for both my sake and Mozilla’s. So I’ve just put in my two weeks’ notice.
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>>1017350 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Imagine being such a narcissist that you could write that paragraph and unironically expect people to take you seriously.
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>>1017366
>that paragraph
which?
▶ No.1017369>>1017487
>>1017368
thanks <3 please employ me btw
▶ No.1017372>>1017373
So does this mean the Rust shilling will finally take a nosedive?
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>>1017372
On /tech/? I already stopped shilling Rust here years ago.
Outside of /tech/? Of course not.
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>>1017363
It's branding/marketing.
They want to show how powerful they are by not having to wear a suit.
"hey man, we're trendy and we put astroturf in our offices".
Have you not heard of any of that? It has been the norm since 2000 in trendy tech companies, and has spread to other companies built on similar fake-friendly fake-personality branding.
Don B evil guys >:)™
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>>1017363
>Why do these Millenial Faggots think that it's ok to show up in a hoodie at a press conference
it's all he could afford with his pay lmao
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>>1017365
>Mozilla is not interested in hearing what I have to say.
So they used you as a tool on a project that you love. And now that you have realized that you are angry about it.
Your point is ?
▶ No.1017385
>I recently discovered I’m the lowest-paid person on my team
>lowest-paid
lowest-worth.
You go to conventions!
You talk on reddit!
You write blogs!
You refuse to answer simple, direct questions because you suspect they're asked "in bad faith"!
You put up decorations for the office Christmas party!
You respected 120 women/month!
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO GET PAID AROUND HERE, FUCK
>contribute some actual value to the company?
WOMEN AREN'T GOING TO RESPECT THEMSELVES YOU KNOW
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>>1017361
He's now ONE OF US!!!
▶ No.1017396
>>1017350 (OP)
>What I saw in Rust was something that the world really needed
i dont think a language is needed nor going to make the world a better place
>Once again, I find myself seeing something that the world needs
not another language?
▶ No.1017401>>1017491
I get what he's saying though. It's easier to quit and work for a different company than it is to try and change your company's culture or to get them to pay you more. The best way to maximize your salary is to change companies every 2 or so years. Moving from company to company with more experience each time will give you more pay increases than mere raises and promotions.
This kind of reminds me how my friends from high school had no aspirations in life and just wanted to smoke weed and play video games, not caring that their jobs were shit. I tried to get them interested in technology and coding, but they simply didn't care. I tried to get them to stop using drugs and alcohol, but they weren't having it. So I just ghosted them and met new people instead.
It's easier to go to a different environment than it is to change the broken one you're currently in.
Work for a shitty SJW company? You're not going to "redpill" them, so just quit and work elsewhere instead.
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>>1017373
The face only a 2x4 plank could love.
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>>1017407
>neckbeards on /tech/ making fun of someone's appearance
I'm sure you're all fit male models who can deadlift 400 lbs
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>>1017363
<Why do these Millenial Faggots think that it's ok to show up in a hoodie at a press conference.
>Millenial Faggots
Says the boomer. Turns out, every generation dislikes the following generations more and more and deifies the previous generations.
>ok to show up in a hoodie
What if it is okay? What if that is the default dress code.
>Ends question with period
<As early as the IBM days all the way up to the early 2000's, computer-people would dress in suit like a professional.
What professionals? By what standards? I don't want to be uncomfortable because it makes you feel better about yourself and you don't pay my check.
<They were proud, Aryan minds.
Define an Aryan mind. I'm sure faggot related is proud as well. It also looks white to me. How is that any different?
<Now, these Millenials dress like they're sitting on the couch in their studio apartment on a cold day or dress in some kind of protest to something no one understands.
Have you tried asking?
I'm using le lebbit spacing because I know it sets off your autism and it's fun to watch you cry about it.
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>>1017409
So? If I could see your face, I'd laugh at it too.
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>>1017421
Wow, what a faggot. Seriously.
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>>1017409
>implying 400lb deadlift is even impressive
I can just tell the state of your body just from that comment
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>>1017431
markdown spacing
lern2github
>he doesn't use github because ``muh botnet''
enjoy not getting hired, buddy
a github profile with lots of repos is more valuable than a resume tbh famalam
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>>1017454
bloatmaxxing is gross tbh
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>>1017456
t. unemployed neet
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>>1017463
quit projecting, buddy
▶ No.1017479
QuakeC is better than rust.
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>>1017351
>I don’t believe that has any chance of changing; when I’ve tried to express my frustrations, I’ve only gotten disciplined.
Faggot allows himself to be disciplined.
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> but doing Rust for the last few years, I’ve also really enjoyed systems-level work.
Wtf? Fucking faggot.
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> I worked at Balanced Payments, which was one of my favorite jobs I’ve ever had. I would have never thought I’d want to work at a payments company, but by being open to it, I found an awesome role, with fantastic co-workers. Maybe what I do next will be something completely different!
They probably actually paid him more than a nickle.
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>In terms of the actual work I would like to do, I don’t think a traditional engineering role really suits me. Don’t get me wrong, I love to write some code, but I don’t think that those kinds of roles really play to my unique strengths. What I really love to do is teaching, evangelizing, and growing something. I’ve done it with Rust, and I can do it again. I could see several roles or hybrid ones here, with titles like “developer evangelist,” “product manager”, or possibly even “VP of Growth.” I want something that challenges me, and where I can grow my career.
Sorry, only women need apply. For CoCing old opensource projects and ejecting their founders.
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>>1017369
QuakeC is better than rust.
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>>1017363
No, they always dressed like bums if they could get away with it.
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>>1017401
That's because you were showing them boring things like rust.
I simply programmed QuakeC. Friends stopped doing drugs and became interested in technology, and are now programmers themselves. No evangelizing on my part, not a word, nor a care.
That is the power of QuakeC.
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>rust
Spray to remove the rust.
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>>1017373
What do you shill these days?
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▶ No.1017763>>1017785 >>1017795 >>1017801 >>1017836 >>1017918
juicy bit in the hacker news thread
>This doesn’t answer the question why you were earning less than your peers though?
>Oh. My peers are engineers, my job title was technical writer. Across the industry, writers make less than engineers do.
▶ No.1017772>>1017775
insult to injury, mozilla announces this retardation today
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>>1017772
The only reason Mozilla is doing that is to advertise HTC Vive, no other reason, no-one asked for this, no-ones cares, no-one benefits but HTC and Mozilla.
>In 2017 [Mitchell Baker] received a total of $2,346,026 in compensation from Mozilla.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundation_and_Mozilla_Corporation
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>>1017763
I actually kind of sympathized with this guy until this part
holy fuckin shit
any retard can write words, engineers deserve way more
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>>1017763
He wasn't a software engineer?
WTF?!
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>>1017763
>technical writer
is the "dining communist philosophers" example his work?
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>>1017763
Didn't he write the most popular Rust book and document their code? [I gather that from what I've seen here] You'd think such a role would require a computer science background alongside the skill of being a technical writer. How is he able to document a language for which he lacks a comprehension of the rationale behind each feature?
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>>1017836
>Didn't he write the most popular Rust book
There are two versions of The Book. The first version, which is entirely his work and the second version which he worked on with this meme: https://github.com/carols10cents
He hasn't only written the book, he wrote basically all of the documentation here: https://doc.rust-lang.org/ (except for Rust By Example)
>How is he able to document a language for which he lacks a comprehension of the rationale behind each feature?
Steve might be an ultra faggot but he isn't a stupid LARPer like you guys. He knows a lot about Rust. Just because his job title didn't have engineer in it doesn't mean he doesn't know how to program.
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>>1017852
You fucking moron. If you ARE an engineer you demand to be paid like one while working on a project like that. I can only imagine what you look like to sympathize with such a cucked mindset.
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>>1017854
>hurr durr I'm a retard
>ad hominem
Ok, kiddo. Read my post again and tell me where I wrote that Steve Klabnik is an engineer.
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>>1017854
>LARPer gets triggered that pic related is a better programmer than him
fucking LMFAO
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>>1017363
I've been at a conference talking about the future of a global organisation and one of the board members was wearing socks + sandals and some kaki 1000 pockets pants. Everyone there was dressed sharp, except him. No one cared tho, he's a nice guy
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>>1017890
plus he's not some autismo and around 60 years old
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▶ No.1017918>>1017943 >>1017948
>>1017763
>engineers and engineering managers undervalue the value a good technical writer brings to a project
What value? Rust is first and foremost a language for writing servo in. What the hell do they need an evangelist for? What even do they need good docs for, when every servo dev is also a rust dev? Have a man page for every call with the name and argument order and your good to go. It's hilarious how sure klabnik is that he'll find a better job when even at mozilla he was completely useless.
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>>1017456
>using """"markdown spacing"""" in a place where it clearly doesn't belong
>this is an advantage in an anonymous kiddiefight
Take me back to 1979 Jesus!
▶ No.1017938>>1017947
>>1017836
he worked by the engineers. You don't need a lot of CS to talk to people.
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>>1017938
It's not like he's writing a manual on how to use a coffee machine. If he's writing a book positioning himself as an expert, he's LARPing.
I never realized quite how much of a faggot he is. His rhetoric perfectly matches his look: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/2bpnia/long_interview_with_steve_klabnik_whos_producing/
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>>1017918
>It's hilarious how sure klabnik is that he'll find a better job when even at mozilla he was completely useless.
He should have found one before leaving Mozilla. Seems kinda dumb.
>>1017890
>I've been at a conference talking about the future of a global organisation
Was this a meeting of the international Jew conspiracy?
▶ No.1017949>>1018032
>>1017946
so? This is my thread. I'll samefag as many times as I like. What are you going to do about it?
Nothing, kiddo. You're just a LARPer.
▶ No.1017977>>1018026 >>1018028
>>1017357
Steve Klabnik is a jew. Look at that rat-like jew face.
>be more tolerant
No
>>1017421
>It also looks white to me.
yeah super (((hwyte))) amirite fellow aryans? :^)
>inb4 >>>/pol/
how about >>>/oven/
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>>1017977
>sperging this hard
back to >>>/pol/ .png
▶ No.1018032
>>1017949
No need to doublepost though, just say what you want quoting whoever you want in one post.
Also, steve is a retard and rust is shit.
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>>1017871
You were called a moron. How retarded do you have to be to read that as retard?
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>>1018037
ebin gotcha. I know see that you are 100% correct and I'm a retarded moron.
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klabnik is cheese pizza dealer confirmed
▶ No.1021498
Tranny faggots program in rust then later web assembly.
Traps program in C +assembly, and Ada.
▶ No.1021499
>>1017468
not them but you unironically using the word buddy? you're the kind of gay who likes buff men.
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>>1017352
Best post in thread.
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>>1017363
>proud, Aryan minds
Do you not realize that 'computer people' right now is this:
>people of color
>people of poo
>actually good asian programmer minorities
Aryan doesn't do shit these days aside from being a consumerist faggot while your economy gets fucked in the ass by China. muh startup lol.
Also, boomer/doomer detected.
All you probably ever did your entire life is complain and blame the gubbermints and bigcorps. Also, you lost, goyim.
▶ No.1021625
>>1017365
Try putting a fucking dress shirt on and see if they listen
▶ No.1022151
>>1017363
>muh suits
replaced with
>muh hip shitty tight jeans and gay tshirt n sheeit
It was marketing then and it's marketing now.
>>1017352
>>I recently discovered I’m the lowest-paid person on my team
KEK
▶ No.1022528>>1022546
>>1017351
Isn't fuchsia just a semi-FOSS google os meant to make them independent from linux?
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>>1017363
> professionals wear suits
You either generate profit, or you don't. Anything else is dead weight in the professional world. Unless your suit is a tool for profit, it's just as self-indulgent as any other expensive fashion choice. If being completely naked conferred profit, it would be the professional choice.
Boomers were raised to live an unexamined life of normalcy loaded with cultural values of the time, same as Millenials.
Your perceived superiority is merely a coping mechanism designed to avert your eyes from the discomfort of norms and values truly alien to those impressed upon you in your youth.
There is no fundamental distinction between the cage you find yourself in and the one the younger people are in. It's a cube of one-way mirrors facing inward. Every attempt at introspection is sabotaged by an inability to see past yourself, no matter the angle. You'll find yourself unable to respond to this very post genuinely, and at any length. Instead your monkey brain will feel a tinge of pain and abort its analysis in order to reject with a quick dismissal.
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>> 1022589
Most people instantly treat you better and more respectfully when you wear a suit. You will be taken seriously more. Basically any sort of work goes slightly smoother, so by your logic they definitely generate profit.
The only exception is tryhard faggots like you who try to be a rebel and rail against it for no reason. But you can see them a mile away. Just don't go to any startup interviews with a suit, any other time, if you have one you're better off wearing it.
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>>1017363
My job is to write and talk about software. I'm not here to impress anyone. You know who else attends these "press"(tech) conferences? Other people who think the same way.
If I worked in fashion, yeah I'd wear something fashionable, but I aint, so I don't.
When I see others dressed fancy all it does is show me they don't understand the business they're in. They wasted time, money, or both trying to look good when it has nothing to do with the job, the business, or the products. Caring more about social aspects like people or your own vanity isn't going to help you get ahead at a conference like that. Maybe for traditional businesses, but not this one. Not today at least.
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>>1022612
Maybe that's true if you want to be a dumb nigger cattle codemonkey for the rest of your life, but if you've got your sights set on moving up the corporate ladder you shouldn't dress like a slob. Dress for the job you want, not the job you have
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>>1022612
Damn, you'll argue just about anything; huh?
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>>1022616
I literally work under the business owner. There is no rungs left. I've had the same attitude since I joined the company. Why even make assumptions on my character like that? Talk about cattle.
Coming from the fake it till you make it, suit wearing monkey.
>maybe if I wear a suit I'll get a promotion
How about contributing something to the business you hack.
▶ No.1022620>>1022623 >>1022725
>>1022619
t. no ambition gorilla monkey nigger
Protip: successful people don't spend their lives slaving away "contributing to the company". The people who make the real money are the decision makers, not the plebians who spend 8 hours a day in visual studio. AKA suit wearers, not jeans/hoodie wearers. You must work at a computer repair shop if you've reached the highest level of your company dressing like a 17-year old stoner.
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>>1022620
I'm already here while you're speculating what you think it takes to reach this level. You're literally trying to convince me what I do and don't do as if you have any idea or as if that's going to work. You're delusional and lack the talent required to climb the ladder. Sorry this upsets you, but maybe if you spent more time working than at your tailor, you'd make something of yourself.
Real companies making real money make real products that in turn make them money. And the employees responsible for this get rewarded. Plain and simple.
None, and I mean 0 of the places I have worked for in the past have ever had dress code requirements, because it simply does not affect the products, services, or the brand.
We have entire departments for PR and marketing. They wear suits. We don't.
Guess who gets paid more?
As for your bullshit about not spending time doing grunt work. You're flatout wrong and your inexperience shows. I don't care if you're the SVP, CTO, or whatever title you want to throw on yourself. Time and time again it has been proven that in technical businesses, the people that move from engineering to management and give up their technical time, lead to decline.
You will not motivate the people beneath you if you spend no time with them. There is no better way to understand the product you're responsible for than to actually work on it. Even if that's only for half a week out of the month.
If you go 100% management, your talent will leave, and your profits go with them. I guarantee it.
Your understanding of this field and business in general is obviously minimal.
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>12 years olds LARPing about suits
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>>1022620
Lots of CEOs wear jeans though. People like Zuck or Dorsey always hanging out in hoodies like some college retard.
▶ No.1022731>>1022752
Yeah it's not the 70s anymore, somewhen in the 90s it became cool to walk around like a bum when you're rich.
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>>1022725
Zucc looks like he cuts his own hair, he has literally the same haircut I had when I was ultra-poor, had two jobs and cut my own hair to save some money.
With all the money and success that guy has he also has that ludicrously ugly chink wife which lets you only guess how strange irl he probably is.
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>>1022725
As much as people shit on Steve Jobs he was basically the posterboy for this mentality >>1022623 and Apple's success even today is still coasting off of this.
His job may as well have been "understand our customers and our products". He didn't do the engineering himself but for sure spent time in the offices talking to the people that did. And did all his own presentations on the products. You go watch any conference from him, he's not reading scripts. He's expressing his own understanding of the products. This is proven when the Q&A sections used to happen (before his health decline).
He used to do the internal presentations and you can tell just from his account that he's intimate with the products and has used them during development. If he's not satisfied, it doesn't ship. If he's not satisfied, the customer isn't satisfied. If the engineers aren't satisfied, they're not going to give a shit either and will either sneak by without actually doing work or leave for another company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykUb2QiTqIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AxZofbMGpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maIgu_7oLm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-tKLISfPE
Look at Bill Joy (SUN) then
>BBN had a big contract to implement TCP/IP, but their stuff didn't work, and grad student Joy's stuff worked. So they had this big meeting and this grad student in a T-shirt shows up, and they said, "How did you do this?" And Bill said, "It's very simple --- you read the protocol and write the code
Look at Bryan Cantrill (SUN/Joyent) today. He claims to still help people debug code and I don't think I've ever seen him in dress cloths.
Hell you could even cite the Bell labs boys.
They only wore suits because they were forced to because it was a different era. All other pictures of them are scruffy and unkempt IN THE OFFICE.
Look at Rob Pike today, he makes a mockery of fashion by wearing actual clown suits to events, and only dresses fashionably by choice OUTSIDE of conventions.
Meanwhile you look at the majority of Google and Microsoft employees and representatives. These companies are literally willing to give people all this money and still not able to get long term engineers. And their products suffer from it.
When your multi billion dollar industries rely on technical products being built by people who care more about face then tech, they decline. When your staff is made up of people lying on their applications and getting the job because of their looks or identity, the products suffer. And even big giants like this are either getting pushed out or unfortunately reaping reward not because of their own work, but because they use open source products produced by people for free out of passion.
>>1022731
>>1022725
When you're rich, powerful, and confident, you can afford to do what you want rather than what people tell you to do.
I grew up poor and in my mid 20's I had more money than I'd ever spend in my life.
My habits haven't changed. I go to my bank with jeans I patched myself.
>>1022733
I know it's surprising to some people, but money doesn't change everyone.
And even though it's a whole separate topic, looks are not everything.
Jimmy knows the truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg
I personally keep a strong separation of my personal and professional life. I intentionally generalize my job and never hint at how much money I have to people because some people will treat you differently, and I don't want to associate with those people.
While that's impossible for Zucc to hide, I hope he got lucky and found someone who likes him for himself. His partner certainly can rest confidently knowing that's true for herself. Zucc aint superficial. Although he may be autistic (or a robot).
▶ No.1022762>>1022775
>>1022752
>If he's not satisfied, the customer isn't satisfied
Apple III, Lisa?
▶ No.1022775>>1022782
>>1022762
Best thing I can point to is the link in that post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-tKLISfPE
Sometimes people make mistakes. Nobody is infallible. Sometimes you make the same mistakes. And most obviously, just because the people at Apple are satisfied, and even if some of the vendors/customers are too, it doesn't mean the majority of customers will be.
Every product is a risk.
I find it harder to judge early stage Apple since the experience was not there and obviously they had nobody to look toward either. It's easy for us to point at in retrospect.
▶ No.1022782>>1022786
>>1022775
>harder to judge early stage Apple
What are you talking about? It's called the Apple ][. Jobs took everything that people liked about it and threw that away to make the Lisa / Macintosh; e.g. no expansion bays, locked down development environment.
Every decision that Jobs has made was terrible. Woz is the one who created Apple. Jobs only tagged along and sticking his nose where it didn't belong.
Imagine a world where the Apple ][ continued today.
I bet Apple would have greater than 50% market share if they had done so.
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>>1022782
>Apple 2 and 3
>not early stage
Alright then.
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>>1022612
Shit nigga you writing here? socjus better not find this thread else you'll be unemployable
▶ No.1022945
That's why Firefox is a piece of shit. Because Mozilla hires pizza boys instead of real hackers.
▶ No.1034453>>1034455 >>1034457 >>1034466 >>1034468 >>1035635
Just a quick update for my fans :)
I am still jobless.
I am fucking Ashley Williams (here is a reminder on who that is: http://archive.is/7cL5s).
I am moving to Texas with her because she now works for Cloudflare.
▶ No.1034455>>1034468
>>1034453
1. Congratulations, she's lovely.
2. Get a haircut (preferably a buzz-cut) you hippie.
3. Get a gym membership, or one of those back braces to "straighten you out".
4. But who am I to judge your lifestyle, I'm just here to advise you of your endeavors in case you want to get back in the job game.
5. Besides, I don't respect welfare leeches who do nothing but take my tax money and live on food stamps forever.
6. Just make sure whatever you pick isn't less than 10$ an hour, I learned that like a Frugal Fruitcake.
▶ No.1034457>>1034459
>>1034453
That's one ugly pair of mugs. Stevie looks less like a jew now that he fattened up, though.
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▶ No.1034466>>1034467 >>1034468
>>1034453
You could go back to your pizza job. Programming for Rust is not sensible if your goal is to earn a living by programming the Rust language.
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>>1034466
nah he just needs CoC-violator BDSM? to keep him updated about job openings at CloudFlare.
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▶ No.1034503
"But beyond advocating political violence, Steve Klabnik has written in support of Marxism and calls himself a communist."
let the cunt starve
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▶ No.1035644>>1035645
>>1017363
Trendy tech companies tried to wear t shirt and jeans for everything. It was a niche thing to go with the marketing but ultimately lead to a decline in standards. People respect and trust a man in a suit more than a hoodie so we can expect these people to slowly fade out as professional looking people sweep up the market from them.
▶ No.1035645>>1035647 >>1035649
>>1035644
>oy veyy start buying overpriced clothes or else you're not (((professional)))
▶ No.1035647
>>1035645
You don't need a suit, though. A cheap chino and "classic" cut shirt should do the trick.
▶ No.1035649>>1035666
>>1035645
You can buy a second hand suit for almost nothing. If you can't understand that a man willing to put in the effort to look professional is more professional than some kid in a t-shirt and yoga pants then you're retarded.
▶ No.1035666>>1035669
>>1035649
>oy veyy if you're not dressing a certain way you're not (((professional)))
Stop LARPing you massive faggot. What you are wearing has no bearing on how well you can program.
▶ No.1035669>>1035670 >>1035673
>>1035666
Are you really this autistic or are you some leftypol shill trying to make /pol/ look bad? No one cares if you wear a diaper while you code. They do care when you go to a meeting or have to present yourself to the public. Wearing the tradition WHITE MAN formal suit is a sign of prestige.
▶ No.1035670>>1035672
>>1035669
>REEEEEE how dare you call me out on redefining what "professional" means
>You obviously must be from /pol/
>I'm LARPing as a WHITE MAN btw
Do you have assburgers? In the real world nobody cares what you wear as long as your clothes aren't dirty/ripped/stinky etc.
▶ No.1035672>>1035674
>>1035670
Of course no one cares. That's why men wearing suits are treated with more respect than those wearing t shirts. Same way a man in a yellow vest is treated with more respect and authority than a man in a t shirt. Clothes mean nothing if you're an autistic retard. To everyone else they matter a great deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqp5zI4Ng_s
▶ No.1035673>>1035697
>>1035669
>Wearing the tradition WHITE MAN formal suit is a sign of prestige
A three-piecer has roots in out of fashion royal faggotwear that later picked up by English globalists before evolving and being passed down to the lesser classes as a mark of compliance and conformity. If anything, it symbolizes acquiescence, indenture and the fall of the West.
▶ No.1035674>>1035697
>>1035672
>serpentza
>forced to flee from SA because of niggers
>still loves niggers
>married a chink who is too ugly even for other chinks
loooooooooooooooooooooool
▶ No.1035697>>1035700 >>1035841
>>1035674
>>1035673
Please enjoy dressing like niggers and character assassinating people who give you good advice. I'm sure you're going to do well in your corner office wearing your slipknot shirts
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>>1035697
>going
I'm already doing well. Thanks though for your (((advice))).
▶ No.1035758
>>1017351
>In terms of the actual work I would like to do, I don’t think a traditional engineering role really suits me. Don’t get me wrong, I love to write some code, but I don’t think that those kinds of roles really play to my unique strengths. What I really love to do is teaching, evangelizing, and growing something. I’ve done it with Rust, and I can do it again. I could see several roles or hybrid ones here, with titles like “developer evangelist,” “product manager”, or possibly even “VP of Growth.”
>I don't actually have any real or applicable job skills, but I feel like chronic bullshitting is my greatest strength. I'd like to get paid to be a chronic bullshitter at your company!
And the sad part is that someone will fall for this, as they have before.