▶ No.1014159>>1014161 >>1014366 >>1014525
He can't even keep this bare bones shithole running smoothly so I'm sure it'll be a disaster.
▶ No.1014161>>1014366
>>1014159
This place is built on top of spaghetti code because Josh was a retard and failed us all so Codemonkey had to salvage this shitheap and overall he's done a pretty good job
▶ No.1014162>>1016157
Error 502 Ray
Bad gateway
great site
do they allow cp?
▶ No.1014180
>>1014157 (OP)
> memechain
▶ No.1014186>>1014618 >>1016157
It's not anonymous. FBI can trace you if you post CP contents. Tor or I2P is more secure.
▶ No.1014214
>LE BLAWKCHAIN TECHNALLAGY!
>LE SO REVALUSHINARY AND MAWDURRN!!!
>LE IMPREGNANT CASTLE OF FREEZ BEEJ!
>MUH TEAM OF EGGSBERT PROGRIMURZ!
<502: Bad Gateway
<Centralized service
<Doesn't hide your IP
ABSOLUTE TOP KEK
Hapas can't code for shit
▶ No.1014217>>1014307 >>1014738
>blockchain
Quick, someone throw millions into it!
▶ No.1014220>>1014230
what do memecoins and cockchains have to do with anonymity and free speech???????????????
is codemonkey actually retarded?
▶ No.1014223>>1014618
>>1014157 (OP)
>.com
>will stand for free speech
Lmao
▶ No.1014229>>1014230 >>1014380 >>1016155 >>1016157
>Some cunt posts CP
>Entire chain has to be deleted
Great idea
▶ No.1014230>>1014240 >>1014979
>>1014220
anonymity through p2p gossip network and encryption?
free speech because no government can regulate it?
That being said, I don't think it's useful to invest large amounts of resources (consensus) into an immutable ledger of image board posts. Rather, a transient network of nodes that organises into an image board would be more appropriate. Posts are protected against spam via PoW, and maybe ordering is acquired by having each post reference its predecessor or something.
>>1014229
>implying any government can force a world-wide p2p network to delete certain contents.
▶ No.1014240>>1014241
>>1014230
It's weird how Tor could achieve both without memeshit.
▶ No.1014241>>1014853 >>1017174
>>1014240
Blockchain is nothing more than an quasi-immutable ledger. TOR is a network. TOR does not store any persistent data. Since image boards need to store their posts, it should be obvious that TOR alone is not sufficient. If you have an image board hosted over TOR, then shit like yesterday can happen, where the FBI raids the owner and makes it impossible to post anything (they actually deleted the post.php). If you have it decentralised, then you'd have to raid every peer at the same time to take down the network. So decentralisation is important for something like image boards.
However, blockchains are overkill, as they enforce immutable consensus and sequential ordering even across outages etc. An image board is mostly shit posting, so there is no need for eternal immutability of everything that was ever posted. An image board should regularly purge old posts (important ones can be archived manually).
▶ No.1014248>>1014256
>>1014157 (OP)
>blockchain
>not IPFS
why
▶ No.1014256>>1014260 >>1014261
>>1014248
>>IPFS
Stop your fucking bloat meme. IPFS is litterally a distributed archive, predestined to bloat itself to death with garbage. There is no moderation about what content is to be deleted and what is to be remembered. I could upload terrabytes of random or encrypted data all day, for which the content deduplication would fail, meaning I can basically fill it up with garbage data. It will forever have to remember it, otherwise it will miss its only goal (to be an archive of all of current data).
▶ No.1014260
>>1014256
OR you can just block shit you don't want, and people who don't mind will still have it.
▶ No.1014261>>1014262 >>1014300 >>1014324 >>1014329
>>1014256
>It will forever have to remember it
It won't unless there are people downloading it. You're literally listing flaws of blockchain and not IPFS.
>IPFS is litterally a distributed archive
No, blockchain is.
>There is no moderation about what content is to be deleted and what is to be remembered.
Same as blockhain, except IPFS won't force anyone to download anything as long as every connected user doesn't have the junk data. Same as torrents. And you can opt out of downloading from specific users.
>basically fill it up with garbage data
Same issue as everything else, including blockhain. Nobody is forcing you to download it.
>only goal (to be an archive of all of current data).
Why the fuck are you still describing blockhain?
▶ No.1014262
▶ No.1014286>>1014931
>>1014157 (OP)
IT'S GONNA FAIL, LET'S ALL GO TO MEWCH INSTEAD
▶ No.1014300>>1014323
>>1014261
>Same as torrents
Why not use torrents then? I don't understand the purpose of IPFS.
▶ No.1014307
>>1014217
>boomer comic
Compelling post, my dude
▶ No.1014323>>1014337
>>1014300
I will explain it for you MIT nigger
IPFS is content addressed data. That is what is meant by de-duplication, because every unique piece of data has a unique address. This is not the same as bittorrent where unique data can be grouped into separate swarms.
▶ No.1014324>>1014327
>>1014261
>Why the fuck are you still describing blockhain?
Watch the fucking video that introduces IPFS, and that benez guy will litterally say to you that IPFS is intended to archive everything, and that no information must get lost. He invented IPFS in response to many links on the internet going dead over time, and he wants it to prevent any link from going dead ever again. Now, if you think about what this would imply, I am pretty sure you will come to my conclusion.
>inb4 he lied about the project's goal
▶ No.1014327>>1014333
>>1014324
you are a dumb nigger. You won't get a 2nd explanation. Fucking nigger.
▶ No.1014329>>1014537 >>1014553
>>1014261
>>basically fill it up with garbage data
>Same issue as everything else, including blockhain. Nobody is forcing you to download it.
I did not say that blockchain didn't have these problems. It's just as bad in this aspect, however,
>IPFS won't force anyone to download anything as long as every connected user doesn't have the junk data
This means that either the default behaviour is not to download anything, and you have to opt-in, which would lead to weak replication, or you download everything per default, where you would have to remove trash by hand. Also filtering per user is bullshit, as you can create new identities easily. And if you whitelist, you miss out on the important ones again. In the end, you'd have some whitelist curators that everyone would follow, which would lead to centralisation of decision making.
▶ No.1014333>>1014337
>>1014327
>can't disprove someone's reasoning
>expose them as niggers
▶ No.1014337>>1014346
>>1014333
no amount of nigger reasoning will make something true
ipfs has already been explained here >>1014323
please make room in your tiny nigger brain for another definition of the word hash
▶ No.1014346>>1014355 >>1014553
>>1014337
kek. I do understand content-based addressing, and that's not even what's making me hate IPFS. It's the fact that it has no incentives and protection mechanisms against spam. You don't pay for the storage, people offer it for free, and it can be misused to clog their hard drives. I don't think everything needs paying, but in this case, where you can't trivially discern whether data is spam or not, you have no good way of deciding what to store and what not to. This makes the system vulnerable.
▶ No.1014355>>1014495
>>1014346
no nigger, nobody is going to store your shit for free. Just because you don't pay your rent in real life doesn't mean you can get shit for free here. IPFS has a sister project called Filecoin where you can pay others to store your shit.
▶ No.1014366
>>1014159
>>1014161
To be fair the software for this site is a hacked together piece of shit, based on another hacked together piece of shit.
▶ No.1014380>>1014497 >>1014503 >>1014508
>>1014229
>Take down centuries of information because one post violates a regulatory law
Maybe in your fucktarded country. But anyway show me one blockchain application that actually works aside from Bitcoin. Namecoin has potential because faggots love to buy TLDs but other than that, nothing. Why the fuck would you pay money to make your post sit in a queue and run your CPU at 100% all day when you can just use a model like Freenet or Bittorrent? Both of those would have more uptake if they were anonymous and thus no risk of fines for "piracy".
▶ No.1014495>>1014539
>>1014355
>Filecoin
>what is hostage bytes?
▶ No.1014497>>1016212
>>1014380
>CPU at 100% all day
Well, there's also Proof of Space, which can be combined with storage rental, and consumes basically no power. If you design it right, you can run it on a Pi or something. The thing is, cryptocurrencies make you pay for everything to fight against freeloaders. Not sure how big of a problem they actually are, though.
▶ No.1014503
>>1014380
Blockchain technology is a matter of a ledger; it's a way to record historical data. Let me assure you that businesses can readily make use of this kind of technology to verify the history of their business accounts.
▶ No.1014508>>1014551 >>1014553
>>1014380
>Not knowing that owning the bitcoin blockchain is illegal because it contains CP
>Not knowing what PoS is
>Not knowing that Monero is
Typical /tech/ poster
▶ No.1014522>>1014524 >>1014553
>>1014215
Make the network currency inflationary, easy to mine/stake for the average user, do not list it on exchanges, and put out a faucet or incentives for quality posts?
The bad part would be if some spammer got 10000 shitpost coins and decided to spend them all at the same time. Or if glow in the darks mine the coin and dominate the hashrate, however they'd also be supporting the network in that way as well.
▶ No.1014524
>>1014522
+ Have to add that I'm not overly concerned with the uptime of the site. 8chan going down for 7 hours means some minor inconvenience for me.
Still have to weigh the business model of shitpost coins vs selling advertising space + market data.
▶ No.1014525
>>1014159
>implying this place wasn't spaghetti code hacked together from other bits of spaghetti code by severe autists
But I lol'd
▶ No.1014533>>1014551
>>1014157 (OP)
Part of why I come here is the ephemerality of my speech.
▶ No.1014537>>1014553
>>1014329
>This means that either the default behaviour is not to download anything, and you have to opt-in, which would lead to weak replication, or you download everything per default, where you would have to remove trash by hand.
Why can't it work the same way as HTTP(S) or BitTorrent? What I'm suggesting is that only the data that the user requests is downloaded. That way the content that people care about would be archived, and the shit would disappear over time.
▶ No.1014539
>>1014495
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I genuinely don't know what "hostage bytes" is and search engines didn't help. Please explain.
▶ No.1014549
I don't get it. Why would somebody want to run the mining operation for this?
▶ No.1014551>>1014569 >>1014573
>>1014508
>Not knowing that owning the bitcoin blockchain is illegal because it contains CP
no, it isn't (at least not and wont be enforced), and i came up with this idea in 2009 so fuck off.
>Not knowing what PoS is
sounds retarded
>Not knowing that Monero is
that's right, i don't give a shit about blockchain technology
>>1014533
>muh self-destructing messages
▶ No.1014553>>1014618 >>1015662
>>1014329
>This means that either the default behaviour is not to download anything, and you have to opt-in
This is the default behavior. IPFS is a low level protocol meant to be abstracted upon. For example the same people behind IPFS made filecoin which operates on IPFS and provides an incentive to host other people's files via cryptocurrency.
>>1014346
No one is forced to store your stuff.
>>1014508
>owning the bitcoin blockchain is illegal
No, you have to have intent behind the crime. This is the same reason why if you accidentally click on a link and see some CP it isn't illegal.
>>1014522
Currency should not be able to be sent to other users. It should only be able to deleted when making a post (or sent to a single wallet for the site). This would prevent being able to trade with other users. This deincentivizes mining a lot of coins and not using them for posting as that would make it harder for regular users to post.
>>1014537
>Why can't it work the same way as HTTP(S) or BitTorrent? What I'm suggesting is that only the data that the user requests is downloaded. That way the content that people care about would be archived, and the shit would disappear over time.
This is how IPFS works by default.
▶ No.1014569>>1014576 >>1014591
>>1014551
>sounds retarded
Proof of Stake is another consensus algorithm where instead of mining and hash rate being what generates the coins, the users passively generate coins based on their balance.
Overall, it comes much less power.
There's some variants like delegated proof-of-stake. There's still a machine involved in the computation process (the person that operates it is the delegate), but the stake reduces the mining difficulty. And the users vote with their balance on reducing the mining difficulty. IMO, it's slightly better for the users as opposed to a Chinese corporation doing all the mining and having sway on the network.
▶ No.1014573>>1014582
>>1014551
>I don't know what I'm talking about but I must shitpost
Yep, I'm on /tech/ alright
▶ No.1014576>>1014594
>>1014569
Who would want to do the consensus algorithm that runs this board? Doesn't that cost you a lot of money to run the calculations?
▶ No.1014582
>>1014573
i know exactly how blockchain is implemented you nignog, i just don't care about the seven thousand variants that came out later. blockchain is not for data storage (but it can be used for it extremely inefficiently) so the fact that you geniuses come here saying shit like "store it in the blockchain mannnnnnn" does not give you any credit.
▶ No.1014591>>1014599 >>1015069
>>1014569
>Proof of Stake
Jew detected.
Proof of Stake is where the rich get richer and the rich have all the power.
Proof of Work is labor based giving the currency an inherent value because people had to pay for the compute time rather than just sitting on their but all day letting their money do the work of making them money.
▶ No.1014594
>>1014576
It looks like it's an app on susucoin which already has miners.
▶ No.1014599>>1014605
>>1014591
You also have a Chinese billionaire doing majority of the mining for Proof of Work / Bitcoin because he's both the manufactuerer of ASICs and the largest ASIC farmer. Additionally because China has the cheapest electricity. If you have no approval of his practices or have ideas contrary to his regarding protocol changes, there's no formal countermechanism to that on Bitcoin's network and there's no choice for the users to decide who gets to mine the coins.
For dPOS that choice exists.
Do more than a surface level glance at a topic and a baseless (and completely off) toss of the word "jew".
Also that same Chinese billionaire goes awol over the idea of segwit, funds a fud campaign, hard-forks btc, then tries to pump his hard fork on a Korean exchange (which completely fell apart once that Korean exchange went offline).
▶ No.1014603>>1014618 >>1014831
>>1014157 (OP)
>not using bitmessage
>not using bitboard
Decentralized anonymous imageboards with client side moderation has already been solved. Using blockchains for direct communication is beyond retarded.
https://github.com/michrob/bitboard
▶ No.1014605>>1014608
>>1014599
The difference is in PoS the wealthy people can hoard their money since they generate money off of it and won't want to sell it to you. With PoW you can always go for more hash power to rise up to the work of other people.
▶ No.1014608
>>1014605
>The difference is in PoS the wealthy people can hoard their money since they generate money off of it and won't want to sell it to you.
Not necessarily when several users with small balances outweigh the millionaires, but I don't think wealth distribution is a problem that is thoroughly solved in either system.
>With PoW you can always go for more hash power to rise up to the work of other people.
I don't think you're thinking about the costs of mining too well. How do you expect to pay for all the mining equipment? Not only to mine profitably (i.e naturally cold enough climate for cooling costs to be low, electricity costs being cheap enough- varies by region/country), but compete with the manufactuerer of the mining equipment at the same time.
▶ No.1014618>>1014666 >>1015171 >>1015662
>>1014186
>It's not anonymous. FBI can trace you if you post CP contents.
this. blockchain is the opposite of anonymous
but if it works with Tor, blockchain could allow it to be censorship resistant
>>1014223
>.com
>will stand for free speech
correct. they can just overtake this domain
>>1014553
>Currency should not be able to be sent to other users. It should only be able to deleted when making a post (or sent to a single wallet for the site). This would prevent being able to trade with other users. This deincentivizes mining a lot of coins and not using them for posting as that would make it harder for regular users to post.
you cannot stop anyone from selling coins.
a guy could make a software that will create a new address, mine one coin (or some other amount), then make another address and mine a coin. later he can sell those addresses (wallets) to people. so some political party will buy a lot of wallets and use it to spam chan during elections.
>>1014603
>Bitboard
can post CP?
▶ No.1014666>>1014731
>>1014618
>you cannot stop anyone from selling coins.
Okay how about you are forced to immediately spend it or it is destroyed.
▶ No.1014731
>Please pay 0.00013167 to this address:
>Sa8VaT5pB9bb7REc4aMWKQu1HMPXJmAZvP
can someone pay for me?
>>1014666
>Okay how about you are forced to immediately spend it or it is destroyed.
How about you will sell it immediately then? And person who bought will immediately use it
▶ No.1014738>>1014744
>>1014217
>1999
dilbert was so far ahead of its time
▶ No.1014744
>>1014738
Are you that daft you can't see it's an edit?
▶ No.1014780
holy shit looks like he is trying to sell something
▶ No.1014784>>1014983
Can't wait for this to fail like canvas did with moot and then watch him sell out the site with tracking scripts.
▶ No.1014831>>1014847 >>1014940
>>1014603
I just tried bitmessage and I literally can not close the GUI to restart the program.
▶ No.1014851
>>1014215
Won't it just cost fractions of a penny?
▶ No.1014853>>1014899
>>1014241
Tor sites do have persistence.
Only good point you made is permanence of shitposting. As long as it can't be deanonymized it should be fine. The site could also host some temporary content separate from the blockchain.
▶ No.1014862>>1014880 >>1014940
>>1014847
BM-2cT8vbTydpqkE4xLduHFiXXgqwB6jNh4yo
I'm retarded and can't see any message on bitboard chans. Someone call me a faggot.
▶ No.1014880>>1014881
>>1014862
Ok. I tried about 5 times to attach a 200 kB image. I guess that's the downside.
▶ No.1014881>>1014940
>>1014880
holy shit nevermind.
▶ No.1014899
>>1014853
>Tor sites do have persistence.
TOR site != TOR
TOR ist just the network, TOR sites are servers hosting websites over TOR, of course they store it persistently, but once a TOR server is hacked, it's lost agian.
▶ No.1014931
>>1014286
>chanslut as mascot
Eww
>>1014157 (OP)
coDEMONkey
So anyone got this working on a Eunuchs machine?
▶ No.1014940>>1014945
>>1014831
It closes to a tray icon by default.
>>1014847
>>1014862
/tech/ is BM-2cTcTw1ZuyY4eYffL5dzTCGS5Ud4zP6TVm
>>1014881
Do you always use new software without reading how it works? Bitmessage uses a very short PoS for each post. It's not mining any coins it's just used as a way to deter spam on the network. You can customize the amount of PoS required to send to your address.
▶ No.1014945>>1014949 >>1014958
>>1014940
>It closes to a tray icon by default.
It's a different problem. I was pressing [X] on the GUI, but nothing was happening.
>Do you always use new software without reading how it works? Bitmessage uses a very short PoS for each post. It's not mining any coins it's just used as a way to deter spam on the network. You can customize the amount of PoS required to send to your address.
I know that part. Just that using all six cores at 100% is unacceptable. It also took a long time for me to upload an 80 kB image (couldn't upload a 200 kB image to begin with).
Plus it won't use my video card.
▶ No.1014947
>bloated pajeetscript website
>cuckflare
>OY VEY GOY PAY TO POST
holy fuck how did they get it to be worse than cuckchan
▶ No.1014949>>1014958
>>1014945
This board is looking pretty empty too.
▶ No.1014958>>1014982
>>1014945
>It's a different problem
What distro are you using? What version of Bitmessage are you using? It's been working fine for me.
>Just that using all six cores at 100% is unacceptable
You can limit it to fewer threads but it will take longer.
>It also took a long time for me to upload an 80 kB image
Only text can be sent so it converts images to base64. An 80Kb image is 107Kb of base64 text. The longer the message the more difficult the PoW required.
https://bitmessage.org/wiki/POW
>Plus it won't use my video card
OpenCL support is experimental right now. I haven't gotten it to work for me. A new version is going to be released in January though so hopefully it will work.
>>1014949
I sent a message an hour ago. Since you just added the address you need to restart Bitmessage so it can request previous messages. Also note that the default message TTL (Time-To-Live) is 4 days. This can be extended to a max of 28 days. In reality posts live much longer since replies are done email style (all previous replies are included in your reply).
▶ No.1014972>>1015106
cripplepaste just provided some more 8chan lore yesterday on his twitter.
▶ No.1014979>>1016157
>>1014230
Won't glow-in-the-darks just upload some CP that sits there forever, making hosting of the blockchain illegal?
Was CodeMonkey inspired by the claims the BTC blockchain had CP on it?
>hey, that gives me a great idea!
▶ No.1014982>>1015007
>>1014958
Restarted twice and still not seeing anything on /tech/.
>What distro are you using? What version of Bitmessage are you using? It's been working fine for me.
Xubuntu 18.04
PyBitMessage 0.6.3.2-1cdbb90
▶ No.1014983
>>1014784
Cripplekike already sold us out to the feds so this would be the second time we got fucked.
▶ No.1014985>>1015000 >>1015007
>>1014215
>pay to post
I think you can easily design a blockchain such that there are no coins, but still keep the PoW to secure consensus: Posts have a PoW attached, which gives them weight (instead of maximising a block's fees, maximise the PoW sums of the included posts). Blocks themselves are also secured with a PoW, but unlike posts, link to the previous block. Posts themselves should not be linked to blocks or previous posts to prevent forks throwing out posts.
▶ No.1015000
>>1014985
PoW was originally designed for combating email spam.
▶ No.1015007>>1015010 >>1015056
>>1014982
You followed the instructions? It might be a qt4 issue. They're switching to qt5 (hopefully) in January.
https://www.bitmessage.org/wiki/Compiling_instructions
>>1014985
>Posts have a PoW attached, which gives them weight
That's what Bitmessage does. What purpose does a blockchain serve for direct communications? Why would you need a PoW secured chain when all messages are signed? If a majority attack happened then you would notice your post is missing and would repost your message. There's no need for the messages to be globally ordered in the exact same order. A latency of a few minutes is more then reasonable.
▶ No.1015010>>1015052
>>1015007
>You followed the instructions? It might be a qt4 issue. They're switching to qt5 (hopefully) in January.
I know I at least did that part right.
I like the concept. I'd use something like Bitmessage more so than e-mail if I could talk to the same amount of people. Maybe if Bitboard better supports images- if it can- and the thread visibility is less weird (I still don't see a single topic on /tech/).
▶ No.1015052>>1015055
>>1015010
Are you sure you're connected to other nodes? Check the Network Status tab. Someone responded to my post so at least one other person got it working. Messages can take over 20 minutes to fully propagate if you're only connected to a few nodes. I'm connected to both tor and clearnet nodes.
▶ No.1015055
>>1015052
That's me. I've been green the whole time though.
▶ No.1015056>>1015066 >>1015073 >>1015116
>>1015007
What good does signing do on an image board? As long as you don't name-fag, it makes no sense, and reduces anonymity. And if you name-fag, you'd somehow have to make verifiable that a name belongs to a specific PK, or the other way around, which seems impossible at first glance. Also, you need a PoW-secured chain to prevent alterations of the history, and a uniform order in which posts appear to readers.
If you don't have consensus on messages, that's fine too, but you cannot reliably fetch the history of a thread before you joined anymore.
And even for signed messages you need PoW to prevent spam.
▶ No.1015066>>1015223
>>1015056
Why not proof of stake?
▶ No.1015069>>1015084
>>1014591
Usually everybody gets the same interest with Proof of stake, so if everybody is earning the same percent, then there is no rich getting richer in relative terms.
▶ No.1015070
>>1014157 (OP)
WHHHOOOOOAAAAAHHHH!!!!!
IT'S ON THE BLOCKCHAIN MAN!
IT'S ON THE CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!!!!!!
▶ No.1015073>>1015223
>>1015056
What good does signing do on an image board?
Tripfaging in the rare cases it's needed. Otherwise everyone shares the same private key or ideally each post uses a one time key.
>Also, you need a PoW-secured chain to prevent alterations of the history, and a uniform order in which posts appear to readers
Alterations to the posts are secured through signatures. Alterations to the history can be secured through a simple linked list where the next post in the thread refers to the previous post all the way up to the OP. This forms a DAG which can be globally consistent without having to use other consensus mechanisms like PoW or PoS.
>but you cannot reliably fetch the history of a thread before you joined anymore
You can. If this system was hosted through IPFS for example, all you would need to do is traverse the linked list to get the previous post hashes in the thread. You would need the newest post to work backwards if you didn't know the whole thread. That's not very likely to happen in practice since there would be sites that track and archive posts. It could look like a regular imageboard but the content could be created and distributed peer-to-peer.
>And even for signed messages you need PoW to prevent spam
The PoW would be generating new valid signatures that are used to sign posts. The OP could set difficulty parameters for the thread. For example every post's public key must start with 0xDEADBABE if using hex keys or "FaggotNiggers" if using base64. A minimum amount of required PoW characters should be enforced.
▶ No.1015084
>>1015069
>Usually everybody gets the same interest with Proof of stake
No, typically the amount you have affects the chance that you will "mine" more coins. People with very little coins have almost no chance of winning.
▶ No.1015106>>1015115 >>1015173 >>1016201
>>1014972
It's super obvious what happened to anyone paying attention.
Site was doing okay until Patreon cracked-down on him, and then basically any method for processing payment was subsequently blocked. The users of this site were giving him enough to keep the lights on, but (((they))) didn't like that so they disrupted our ability to send reliable income. He got some big Bitcoin donations but there wasn't the same cashflow as before.
He started working with Jim to get "temporary" hosting, but I think we all knew it was going to be hard to go back, especially when he stopped looking for alternative payment processors.
Josh gets hired at a point to build Infinity Next. He was a huge autist and while Hotwheels is sweet on the guy we all thought he was a faggot for a reason. Constantly sperg'd out at the community, didn't handle criticism well, and the constant "Want me to press the button and do it? I'll migrate us right now!" and then when we called his bluff he did it and blew his own foot off.
Dude was a frontend dev and not a great one; the idea that he could make an efficient, scalable backend is pretty laughable. Granted, I doubt I could, either, but I'm not a webdev. Whoever vetted him did a bad job.
I think Hotwheels is mostly nice to him because they hung out a lot and Josh packed up and moved across an ocean to work on it and probably could have made more money just staying home if he was actually looking for real work.
By this point, Jim already owned the old domain and the servers and was having his company run ads and help patch things.
Site was dying, but only because posting would sometimes fail outright and pages loaded slow.
Just not sustainable.
Finally Hotwheels cashes-out whatever he has left to Jim and goes away.
He was set up to fail, but he set himself up to fail. He made a deal with the devil during a time of desperation and he didn't do everything in his power to keep the sheep sailing. Ultimately, that's his failure. As an administrator for the users, he was excellent; better than we deserve. But as an administrator who can ensure smooth sailing he did a terrible job. It was always going to be difficult to run this site, but he couldn't hack it unfortunately. There was almost certainly more that could be done but he had limited means at the time and now he's retired and surrounded by "nurses" so he really traded-up.
There's really not much to the "lore", unless some of you guys weren't around for the turmoil. I'm glad the site didn't die. Things have been improved. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for Jim to wipe this place out for his own benefit, whether that be upgrading to some awkward blockchain system or just trying to squeeze every penny out of us. I know people like Jim and while he's probably pretty forgiving about things like free speech he's also in it to make a buck and he's not running this site for charity or fun.
▶ No.1015115
>>1015106
They should hire the guy who wrote nginx to write an imageboard backend.
▶ No.1015116>>1015223
>>1015056
>And if you name-fag, you'd somehow have to make verifiable that a name belongs to a specific PK, or the other way around, which seems impossible at first glance.
What fucking problem are you trying to solve? Do you want a name to uniquely map to a single PK? PK is already an identity. The "I suggest you refer to me by this name" field is just metadata.
>If you don't have consensus on messages, that's fine too, but you cannot reliably fetch the history of a thread before you joined anymore.
This is what blockmemes actually believe.
▶ No.1015171>>1015243 >>1015662
>>1014618
>can post CP?
>younow board
dead on arrival
reminder that pedoshits ruin imageboards by inviting alphabet spaghetti agencies into the admin team
▶ No.1015173
>>1015106
hotwheels was defeated by the staircase to heaven, not just drama and tech support failure + american military/freemason/pork industry.
Remember that boneitis kills very quickly.
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▶ No.1015215>>1015223
If pedophiles and drug dealers use some tools, you can trust that the tools are anonymous.
But codemonkey made blockchain image board? No pedophiles or drug dealers use it because it is easy to track your real identity. It is completely not anonymous!
▶ No.1015223>>1015245
>>1015066
>Why not proof of stake?
Because it implies the existence of a currency. Why would you have coins on an image board? That would just flood the image board with transactions, not posts. Also, if you gain no coins through mining (because they are not needed inside the system), there is no incentive to create huge mining farms or buy ant miners, keeping the energy expenditure at a reasonable level.
>>1015073
>Tripfaging in the rare cases it's needed. Otherwise everyone shares the same private key or ideally each post uses a one time key.
The only need for keys is to create signatures. However, since the average poster is anonymous, why would he need to prove that he actually authored the message?
>Alterations to the posts are secured through signatures.
That's not true. I can easily take a signed message, change it, and sign it with a new PK I just generated. For anonymous posts, signatures do absolutely nothing, since the PKs are throwaways. It's only useful for namefags.
>simple linked list where the next post in the thread refers to the previous post all the way up to the OP.
That invites race conditions. If poster A and B both post, thinking they were the first after OP, then we have a fork, as neither post acknowledges the other post. If now poster C posts, what post should he reference? Should the unreferenced post then try to post again? Also, if there's no work invested into the list, then it's very hard to synchronise with the network: How do you know something is the actual history, and not some randomly generated or censored version? With PoW, you can see which version is supported by the majority (of computing resources).
>PoS
I am assuming you mean PoStake, then I ask you where there should be any coins in an image board. If you mean PoSpace, then I am not sure how you would actually implement it anonymously.
>>but you cannot reliably fetch the history of a thread before you joined anymore
>You can.
You can only do this if you know the latest "Block" of that thread, and request the history before that block. But if you only know the OP, then it becomes hard to get the right chain. It only works backwards, not forwards, except if you use PoW / similar.
>The PoW would be generating new valid signatures that are used to sign posts. The OP could set difficulty parameters for the thread. For example every post's public key must start with 0xDEADBABE if using hex keys or "FaggotNiggers" if using base64. A minimum amount of required PoW characters should be enforced.
Unless you come up for a valid argument as to why you would need public keys for everyone (even non-namefags), I ask you why you insist on signatures. Just supply a PoW for your post, so that posts are hard to generate. Then, there exists a difficulty, and only posts with PoWs of sufficient difficulty are put into the chain. Also, submitting a post, a signature and a public key is much bigger than just the post and a nonce that creates a PoW for that post. Just because bitcoin needs signatures, does not mean that every blockchain needs them.
>>1015116
>>And if you name-fag, you'd somehow have to make verifiable that a name belongs to a specific PK, or the other way around, which seems impossible at first glance.
>What fucking problem are you trying to solve? Do you want a name to uniquely map to a single PK? PK is already an identity. The "I suggest you refer to me by this name" field is just metadata.
I had a lapse of concentration there. I was somehow under the impression that you would be able to steal others' names, but the PK would still act as tripcode, so I was wrong there.
>>If you don't have consensus on messages, that's fine too, but you cannot reliably fetch the history of a thread before you joined anymore.
>This is what blockmemes actually believe.
Notice the word reliably? People could send you fake histories, and you wouldn't be able to tell trivially, as there is no consensus. However, unlike in cryptocurrencies, you don't need a consensus on all posts since the image board's inception. Maybe the last year, tops, and that's only for slow boards.
>>1015215
>But codemonkey made blockchain image board? No pedophiles or drug dealers use it because it is easy to track your real identity. It is completely not anonymous!
I didn't look into it, but theoretically, there's no need for introducing a currency on an image board, or even any digital identities at all, besides for namefagging.
▶ No.1015226>>1015238 >>1015245
I will write you guys a specification for an anonymous p2p image board with blockchain, without any cryptocurrency bullshit involved. Expect it in a week or something.
▶ No.1015238>>1015242 >>1015244
>>1015226
The cryptocurrency allows for spam prevention. It's not a bad idea. It also makes Jim richer, which is also good.
▶ No.1015241>>1015258
>bitmessage
>https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page
>A remote code execution vulnerability has been spotted in use against some users running PyBitmessage v0.6.2. The cause was identified and a fix has been added and released as 0.6.3.2 here. If you run PyBitmessage via code, we highly recommend that you upgrade to 0.6.3.2. Alternatively you may downgrade to 0.6.1 which is unaffected. .
>Bitmessage developer Peter Šurda's Bitmessage addresses are to be considered compromised.
It's fucking trash
▶ No.1015242
>>1015238
Mitigation, not prevention. Luckily WoT already solved spam a few decades ago and costs nothing.
▶ No.1015243
>>1015171
Nope, the mods would ruin imageboards regardless.
▶ No.1015244
>>1015238
Of course it prevents spam if every post costs something. But why would I want to pay to post on an image board? Also, if you have a cryptocurrency then people will try to use your image board to make payments, which reduces the amount of actual shitposts you can do, and the more people post, the higher the posting fees will be. Also, if you have a currency, people will speculate over its value, and in the end you will end up with a 25$/post spike, making the whole platform unusable.
Why do all this, when PoW has exactly the same benefits, but none of the drawbacks?
▶ No.1015245>>1015255 >>1015256
>>1015223
>buy ant miners
it's called a fucking ASIC you dweeb. actually I'm not sure what you're trying to refer to here
>>1015226
>with blockchain, without any cryptocurrency bullshit
fucking what
▶ No.1015255>>1015273
>>1015245
>>buy ant miners
>it's called a fucking ASIC you dweeb. actually I'm not sure what you're trying to refer to here
Ant miners are a specifc ASIC tailored for hashing, and are used in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to solve the PoW. The problem is that they consume large amounts of electricity, which is expensive and bad for the environment. The point was that if there is no coin reward from solving a PoW, there is no economic incentive to buy these ASIC miners that consume ridiculous amounts of electricity.
>dweeb
nice strawman :^)
>>with blockchain, without any cryptocurrency bullshit
>fucking what
How come nobody understands my arguments that point out why running an image board on a cryptocurrency is detrimental to the platform?
▶ No.1015256>>1015268
>>1015245
>implying blockchain == cryptocurrency
The absolute state of /tech/
▶ No.1015258>>1015259 >>1015266
>>1015241
It's trash because they found a bug, patched it and disclosed to everyone the security vulnerability?
▶ No.1015259
>>1015258
remote code execution is pretty stupid, what will the devs do next?
▶ No.1015266
>>1015258
no you oblvious dickfuck. it's trash because the developers are stupid enough to have an RCE, in a fucking memory-safe PL
▶ No.1015268>>1015286
>>1015256
Here you go autistbro, let me formalize my statement for you:
<with blockchain, without any cryptocurrency bullshit
>with blockchain bullshit, without any cryptocurrency bullshit
why do you want to avoid double spending while posting. how does that even make sense... are you the same retard that keeps putting XMPP and SIP in every piece of software ever made?
▶ No.1015273>>1015286
>>1015255
What you described is just ASIC. And no, they for hashing, they are specifically designed to mine some coin (but it may turn out that they can also be used for other hashing applications). I'm pretty sure the bitcoin ones even only work on double SHA or whatever bitcoin uses. The protocol is probably something like send a block to it and it bruteforces until it finds a nonce that generates the right hash, or its completed a specified amount of work. If you could just send some arbitrary data to the ASIC and get the hash back that would have too much latency overhead.
>bad for the environment
banks are bad for the environment
>strawman
Yes, this is a strawman. I wasn't arguing about whatever you're talking about, I was just pointing out your use of "ant miner".
▶ No.1015286>>1015562 >>1015619
>>1015268
>blockchain is only used to prevent double spending
I said that I didn't want any cryptocurrency powering the image board, this means that there is nothing to be spent twice.
>how does that even make sense...
It does make sense: I want the consensus and single ordering properties of blockchains, so that for every user, the order in which posts appear is identical. I also said in an earlier post that the property of remembering all blocks since the genesis block is overkill. Image boards are made to forget threads. So I said that the blockchain should prune itself in regular intervals.
I repeat once more, there are no coins in my proposed image board, and you are right in noticing that the point of the use of blockchain in said proposed image board is not to prevent double spending of nonexisting coins, but something else.
>>1015273
Alright, maybe referring to the ant miner specifically was not right. However, I assume that bitmessage is a fork of bitcoin, and uses the transactions' message field to store posts. This would also imply that you actually can use an ant miner to mine it, since it is basically bitcoin.
▶ No.1015558>>1015562
It's fucking retarded.
If you want a fucking blockchain, why do you need a cryptocoin when stuff like git exists?
>because spam
Shit you not, that was literally the answer I was given, like captcha haven't existed for ages.
Here's how it works: ron holds pretty much all susocoins in existence. You need susocoins to post. Do the fucking math.
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▶ No.1015619>>1016037
>>1015286
>It does make sense: I want the consensus and single ordering properties of blockchains, so that for every user, the order in which posts appear is identical.
Okay that a valid use I guess. But I don't see the point. Just post messages to a list somewhere like Freenet FMS. Messages are partially ordered in such systems, which isn't a big problem. The real problem like all p2p systems is how do you get your message on the network. Blockchain is one solution but inefficient as hell. Why does ordering matter? At the end of the day you'll be typing up a reply and someone else will post while you're typing and you don't see it. Even in your system.
▶ No.1015662
>>1014553
This was informative.
>>1015171
People like >>1014618 need to burn.
▶ No.1016023>>1016340
If you have a decentralised image board, then wouldn't it be nice to have lurkers contribute to the board's stability by having them perform PoW in the browser to strengthen the chain? I am not talking about mining coins here. And for the CPU usage fags, you can easily throttle the CPU usage.
This should be useful, since I expect way more lurkers to view the chan than there are going to be nodes operating it. If you connect to the chan over a node, it would send you the network's current PoW challenge.
▶ No.1016037>>1016044 >>1016340
>>1015619
>Why does ordering matter?
All the post numbers would become inconsistent. On image boards, gets are important.
>Blockchain is one solution but inefficient as hell.
There is a thing such as a transient blockchain, the guys at saito.tech seem to have done it already.
▶ No.1016044>>1016046
>>1016037
On imageboards, post numbers have no intrinsic meaning beyond identifying individual posts. They have a trivial meaning in that "gets" are considered novel.
▶ No.1016046>>1016130
>>1016044
Well, if you remove the need for gets, then a DAG instead of blockchain would be sufficient. Every post in a thread only needs to reference the latest post it knows. Thread pruning would become a little bit more complicated, as threads might still exist for some and not for others. Because here, it is important to have consensus on whether a thread is alive.
▶ No.1016130>>1016241 >>1016340
>>1016046
Did you know that it's theoretically possible for imageboard posts to be cyclic? By its normal implementation, cyclic posts happen by pure chance. Your first post would have to make a reference to a future post and guessing when that exact post will happen is exceedingly small. By a rigged implementation, the system will be rigged to provide more information than what's possible for the standard imageboard. This extra information allows the system to coordinate when the cyclic posts refer to one another.
Why am I pointing it out? I'm a programmer who considers edge cases.
▶ No.1016155
>>1014229
bitcoin is still around tho
▶ No.1016157>>1016256
>>1014162
>>1014186
>>1014229
>>1014979
>CP
It's a textboard it says in the OP image, did anyone fucking read?
▶ No.1016201>>1016241
> Proof of Stake and pre-mines
Easy to rig
> Proof of Work
Wastes resources
> IPFS
okay, why not Steem?
> Monero/Zcash anonymity
okay
> CP prevention
explain, perhaps ETH/EOS data deletion?
>>1014357
Kike comic see >>1014365
> Bitmessage
Just no
>>1015106
Can't blame HotWheels, he is not a savior but he is good enough to survive.
> coinless blockchain
less bloat = better
> Textboard
Fuck
▶ No.1016212>>1016241
>>1014497
Unless Codemonkey is trying to (((profit))) of this it should be proof of space for a decentralized board.
▶ No.1016241
>>1016130
>cyclic comments
As every post can reference only one other post for ordering, if you create a cycle, it is necessary that you only reference your own posts, and so, none of the posts appear. I am not talking about the >>number references, because you can have multiple of those. I mean that every poster also submits the latest post known to them.
>>1016201
>>Proof of Stake and pre-mines
>Easy to rig
If you have regular checkpoints where a news title or something is entered into the blockchain, then it's impossible to pre-mine very far, as unpredictable randomness is introduced into the system.
>> Proof of Work
>Wastes resources
Depends. If there is no incentive to attain huge amounts of mining power (because no coins exist), then mining power will be kept at a minimum. No one will buy an ASIC just to secure their image board.
>>1016212
>PoSpace
Proof of space is not very practical, sadly. In its original form, as proposed by Dziembowski et al, PoSpace is an interactive protocol, where you need to commit to your plotted space, and then the verifier needs to challenge you. This is also the case in space mint. Committing your plotted space to the chain is uncool, and mining no longer is anonymous. Then, there were projects like burst coin, where they basically created a very expensive and large hash function, which they used to plot the space, and then use a normal hash function in a PoW style. To verify, you need to re-calculate the expensive, large hash function. Since everyone needs to verify, everyone has to compute your expensive hash function, which also takes up quite a lot of energy and time. In comparison, PoW is very easy to verify, as you only need to invoke a simple hash function once. To my knowledge, there has not been any efficient to verify, noninteractive, single-round PoSpace. But I guess that PoSpace should still beat PoW in resource-friendlyness.
▶ No.1016247
>please pay goycoins to post on our website
>with an obscure coin they probably own
>it's free and stuff!!!!!
▶ No.1016256>>1016268 >>1016283
>>1016157 You can distribute CP contents by using a textboard. Many people share links to CP contents. And you can download CP contents from the links.
▶ No.1016268>>1016306
>>1016256
A link is not CP. A link is a URL.
▶ No.1016283>>1016306
>>1016256
A hyperlink is nothing more than a signpost pointing the way to another place. You don't distribute anything with links, you point to the location of things with links.
▶ No.1016306>>1016340
>>1016268
>>1016283 In my country, distributing links to CP contents is also illegal. It is a very stupid law, but anyway it is illegal in my country. I don't know your country's law, but it can be illegal in some countries along with my country.
▶ No.1016340>>1016345 >>1016370
>>1016023
How about make them upload content, instead of waste their CPU on a problem that has nothing to do with file hosting?
>>1016037
>All the post numbers would become inconsistent. On image boards, gets are important.
lol
>>1016130
If it was a DAG there wouldn't by cycles. If posting was done by referencing a previous post by hash or some othe real identifer, there wouldn't be cycles.
>>1016306
You can literally download CP by googling "child porn" and clicking 3 links (but for some reason [hint: memes] these links only lead to .onion sites instead of clearnet sites. clearnet has CP too but this search doesn't reach them).
<all these idiots ITT talking about CP
the only question is does the system have some retarded bullshit where some "authority" gets to delete content (instead of proper WoT based solution like Freenet)
CP, Doxx0rz, racism, hate speech, etc are non issues. software is mechanism not policy. get a WoT that filters "hate speech" if you don't want to see "hate speech"
▶ No.1016345>>1016374
>>1016340
>upload files to lurkers
They are on mobile devices or whatnot, how should they accept files? A network with sharded storage is more complicated than what we are talking about right now.
>If it was a DAG there wouldn't by cycles. If posting was done by referencing a previous post by hash or some othe real identifer, there wouldn't be cycles.
Exactly. This is why circular references in your posts would result in none of them ever being accepted.
>WoT
No longer anonymous.
▶ No.1016370>>1016374 >>1016383
>>1016340
>If posting was done by referencing a previous post by hash or some othe real identifer, there wouldn't be cycles.
If we were to distinguish every single post, why not distinguish it with the unique post number attached to every post? No two posts are going to have the same post number. To me, it would seem like a smaller use of resources to distinguish with a post counter than with a post hashing feature.
As for usability, wouldn't it be annoying for users to identify posts with a random looking hexadecimal string of any length, let's say 64 bits? I know it would disturb me if I was always required to refer to posts as: >>53FB888383A002AA
▶ No.1016374>>1016383 >>1016386
>>1016345
I meant people on the network should mirror content. This is more of a goal than anything blockchain offers.
>>WoT
>No longer anonymous.
Eh I forgot we're talking about anonymous posting, but still there's no other way. WoT accounts wouldn't have to be linked to your posts.
>>1016370
How can a post have a small ID in a distributed system? All such things I've seen end up as cryptographic hashes or giant unique bit strings.
▶ No.1016383>>1016386
>>1016370
>Unique post number
Either you take a hash, or you have globally uniform total post ordering, then you can take a counter, like on regular image boards.
>>1016374
>I meant people on the network should mirror content. This is more of a goal than anything blockchain offers.
Last time I checked, everyone in a blockchain network stores the whole blockchain, which is equal to mirroring everything. I am assuming here that all content is on the blockchain, and not just some merkle roots. If not everyone mirrors everything, then the system is not robust.
▶ No.1016386
>>1016374
>WoT accounts wouldn't have to be linked to your posts.
What do you have in mind? That there are some kinds of "curators" that filter posts? I think that by necessity, miners would have to take that role then, as they are the content providers. Or we introduce a second layer of curators, between miners and lurkers. And the web of trust is strictly on the second layer.
On the other hand, you could add a web of trust for namefags, independent of curators. So you can hide all posts by a certain poster or something, or hide all posts another user has hidden. That'd require you to get their preferences when connecting though, so they'd be your curators.
>How can a post have a small ID in a distributed system? All such things I've seen end up as cryptographic hashes or giant unique bit strings.
see >>1016383 :
>Either you take a hash, or you have globally uniform total post ordering, then you can take a counter, like on regular image boards.
▶ No.1016591
>>1014157 (OP)
You do realize that this faggot tweeted this over a year ago, right?
▶ No.1017174>>1017649
>>1014241
>then shit like yesterday can happen
what happened?
▶ No.1017649
>>1017174
At that time, 8ch was in read-only mode (the post.php was actually deleted), so that authorities could get a copy of all logs and the DB.
▶ No.1017654>>1017660
>codemonkey made blockchain image board?
Can't you fucking read the image you yourself posted that contains no more than 140 characters, you fucking retarded nigger?
Holy fuck, kill yourself.
▶ No.1017660
>>1017654
>what is a rhetorical question?