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 No.1011650>>1011857 >>1013367 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

For discussing anything related to the Fediverse (and similar).

/tech/-tier platforms:

>Pleroma (pleroma.social) - actually seems well-designed

>PeerTube (joinpeertube.org) - it's not YouTube!

normalfag-tier platforms:

>Mastodon (joinmastodon.org) - king of the rejects, seen as the "twitter-alternative"

>Diaspora* (diasporafoundation.org) - seen as the "facebook alternative"

else:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse#Fediverse_software_platforms

>inb4 a fediverse software is bad simply because retards made instances using it

 No.1011668>>1011672 >>1011697 >>1011709 >>1011872

Honestly I got on Fedi and then realised no one on social networking sites really means anything to me and stopped using it.


 No.1011672>>1011709

>>1011668

This. The only value I could see in social media is as an output platform for people who don't know what RSS is. For interaction with humans it's worthless, the human mind is not fit to deal with hundreds of people at the same time and the platforms are awful for having conversations anyway.


 No.1011697>>1011709

>>1011668

I came to the same conclusion.


 No.1011708

Suppose I create an account on my instance and someone creates an account on another instance. If we have a conversation, where would the messages be stored? Each person's on their own instance? The instance of the OP? Both?

I've heard self-hosting recommended for privacy, but does that apply for federation?


 No.1011709>>1011775 >>1013276

>>1011668

>>1011672

>>1011697

This, but PeerTube and NextCloud seem interesting.


 No.1011767>>1011780 >>1011838

What kind of instance can I join that allows me to say things like nigger, faggot, kike, etc, and overall just be as politically incorrect as I want without getting shoah'd?


 No.1011775>>1013529

>>1011709

>Youtube starts banning people

>they jump to buttchute and fucking (((PornHub))) instead of PeerTube

Every time.


 No.1011780


 No.1011826>>1011852 >>1011855 >>1013368

shared account on pl.smuglo.li

us3rn4m3: anonlain

p4ssw0rd: password

don't get her banned as that negates the benefit of a shared account


 No.1011838

>>1011767

freespeechextremist.com


 No.1011852>>1011855 >>1011861

>>1011826

>error

Alright, who changed the password?


 No.1011855

>>1011852

>>1011826

Your first day on the Internet?


 No.1011857>>1012049

>>1011650 (OP)

> PeerTube

> lmao just host your videos xD

The fuck I need PeerTube for then?


 No.1011861>>1013303

>>1011852

Fix your passwd & shadow files and make them immutable (chattr +i).


 No.1011863>>1013276

My problem with using Diaspora, was all the crosslinking af images. It was almost impossible to use when you are a umatrix control freak. The second thing was the Javascript dependency, I'm not a big fan of inifinite scroll or JS in general. Third all languages were mixed together and there was no way to filter based on language. It needed an API badly. I think Friendica is a better option, but it suffers from some of the same problems. Also I don't have any use for this kind of platform, give me a bulletin board with a topic of my interest and I'm happy, I don't need my person to be the center of attention.

I never understood the microblogging thing, it seems useless and messy to me, but I think I tried out GNU Social once. It also suffered from languages mixed together without filter.


 No.1011872>>1012452

>>1011668

Yep, the fediverse is like twitter, but with more boring people (and suicidal trannies)


 No.1012049

>>1011857

So you can host for OTHER PEOPLE on the same system.


 No.1012452>>1013384

>>1011872

I've noticed a lot of furries and degenerates.

Luckily you can join any fediverse which isolates from weirdos, and only interact with fediverses that have sane people.


 No.1012820>>1012834 >>1012842 >>1012865 >>1012956 >>1013732

Where are the federated imageboards so we can leave infinity chan and its cuck owner in the dust


 No.1012834>>1012842 >>1012844

>>1012820

What do you want federated? The individual boards themselves?


 No.1012842>>1012844

>>1012820

>>1012834

Is there any advantage to federating imageboards?


 No.1012844>>1013071

>>1012842

Decentralization?

>>1012834

Yes.


 No.1012865

>>1012820

>implying anyone with half a brain uses 8ch as a homechan

apart from one or two obscure boards, I have no use for the place is nanochan good?


 No.1012956>>1013063

>>1012820

Pretty sure oniichan in Tor is still alive, there also was hiddenchan in I2P but it's closed now.


 No.1013063

>>1012956

I'm not sure Tor boards count as federated in the same sense as the fediverse.


 No.1013071>>1013276

>>1012844

What I mean is, why federate imageboards instead of setting up a bunch of separate ones? It's not like they need to connect to each other.


 No.1013276>>1013289

>>1011709

IIRC the idea is that you can make PeerTube comments as posts from your pleroma instance, since everyone speaks the same protocol. It's pretty epic when it works

>>1011863

Nice summary, the JS dependency also annoys me with Pleroma.

>>1013071

a common protocol would be nice though, you could mux different boards across sites, kind of like nerv here, but on steroids and client-side


 No.1013289>>1013399

>>1013276

>Nice summary, the JS dependency also annoys me with Pleroma.

It does have a Gopher interface, but that may not be convenient enough for many users.

https://blog.soykaf.com/post/gopher-support-in-pleroma/


 No.1013298>>1013303

can whoever took the anonlain account give it back?


 No.1013303>>1013315

>>1013298

I can't right now but I want to host an instance and do what >>1011861 suggested to make a bunch of anon accounts.


 No.1013315>>1013317

>>1013303

What's the point of making multiple (or any) shared accounts?

I hope you know that's for preventing Linux users from being able to change their passwords.


 No.1013317

>>1013315

Yes, I meant the same kind of write protection for the files related to the anon accounts, or just disabling the change password feature on the server. That would be better just to remove it.

>What's the point of making multiple (or any) shared accounts?

Good point. I was thinking of doing that to allow evading a ban another user may have gotten.


 No.1013367>>1013393 >>1013556 >>1013715

>>1011650 (OP)

>Pleroma

Good software but shady contributors

>PeerTube

>doesn't solve the problem that people are still using a web browser to watch videos

>made by framasoft

>framasoft forked pleroma, rebrand it and removed the mentions of the original developers while the AGPLv3 forbids that

>framasoft are pandering to safe space fags

>framasoft are commies

>framasoft are good friends with Mozilla

Fuck them they don't care about freedom they only care about their ideology.

>Mastodon

Mastodon is just a honeypot stay away from it.


 No.1013368>>1013569

>>1011826

Why isn't anonymous posting a thing yet ?


 No.1013371>>1013386 >>1013397 >>1013553

what's so bad about mastdodon. im in baraag so I can post all the lewd shit I want. same for.pawoo.

only faggots use cuck instances


 No.1013384

>>1012452

lol yeah which ones are they?


 No.1013386>>1013387 >>1013397 >>1013564

>>1013371

The whole point mastodon exists is to make a safe space twitter. Pleroma is literally just superior, it even comes with a mastodon-like UI for muh modern design web faggots.


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 No.1013393

>>1013367

>Good software but shady contributors

Pleroma has a mixed bag of devs and most pleroma drama is pretty tame looking at the ED article https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Pleroma


 No.1013397

>>1013371

>what's so bad about mastdodon

The creator of mastodon:

Datamines and sells is users.

Removed the public timeline of a server, thus forcing people to subscribe to a server to see it.

Lied about putting back a public timeline without subscription by adding the whole known network to make it look big.

Helped and pushes instance wide blocks.

Undermined the federation in favor of "his" ideas.

Created security issues like private messaging that isn't private.

Leaked private info.

Created useless blue marks like in twitter.

Tried and still tries to EEE other older software like Gnu social.

Did not respect http error messaging standard to undermine other software that is not mastodon.

Was shilled in W3C way to fast.

Is participating in ActivityPub with infamous social justice advocates and censorship tyrants like webber.

Lied about Ostatus.

Rejected a lot of commits that would have helped transparency issues that would have mitigate paranoia, like for example PGP signatures or showing which instance is blocked on server.

Supports antifa.

Was out of nowhere shilled by the media.

Other than that technically mastodon is heavy as hell (heavier than GS) any people who uses it are just mindless shills who follow the cattle to please the cattle.

>>1013386

>Pleroma is literally just superior,

It's technically superior in the sense that you don't need 2GB of ram and other resources to run the server. Otherwise if the developer keeps adding features that please tyrants without adding counters like having transparency functions about who's blocked or not, for example, then it will finish like twitter, just like mastodon who is literally now a clone of twitter with a mix tumblr. Imo lain is quite neutral for now but he should, when he has the time, implement transparency features.


 No.1013399>>1013401

>>1013289

Nice.

Graceful degradation to XHTML would be nice for posting though. Gopher is read-only, irght?


 No.1013401

>>1013399

Yeah, Gopher is a very simple protocol that doesn't have bloat like posting.


 No.1013529>>1013533 >>1013540 >>1013657 >>1013660

>>1011775

And yet again we are much the losers. Normalfags will never side with us and that is a fact. (((They))) eternally have the grasp of the masses, and soon us.

There is nothing we can do about it. It's over. It's all over. Deal with it, hopefags.


 No.1013533

>>1013529

Gas yourself. Bleromer is easy enough to host that even my mom could do it.


 No.1013540>>1013554

>>1013529

Who is the samefag who keeps posting this redtext?


 No.1013553

>>1013371

>same for.pawoo.

Google Analytics, if you care about that.

rip pixiv chat


 No.1013554>>1013766

>>1013540

It is a mod-confirmed samefag troll. Just ignore as usual, newfag.


 No.1013556>>1013711

>>1013367

>>doesn't solve the problem that people are still using a web browser to watch videos

It helps solve the dependency on Google for media. ContentID, unwarranted bans, all that stuff.

>>framasoft forked pleroma, rebrand it and removed the mentions of the original developers while the AGPLv3 forbids that

I cannot see evidence of it being a fork. Please give some. Big if true.

>framasoft are pandering to safe space fags

How so? I don't see evidence of that, but it's also irrelevant. That's like saying the groups behind most browser probably don't like people saying 'nigger'. Doesn't impede any of us.

>framasoft are commies

What do you expect from FLOSS communities? Also, highly irrelevant.

>Fuck them they don't care about freedom they only care about their ideology.

They make a tool. Who gives a fuck about their ideology. I believe in meritocracy when it comes to software.

4chan was made by a literal Jew and it became the birthplace of /pol/ - Antisemitism. No-one fucking cared about moot's ideology when they used his site.


 No.1013564

>>1013386

>mastodon-like UI

IIRC it isn't even Mastodon-like, it IS the Mastodon UI. Pleroma seems very compatible.


 No.1013569

>>1013368

Because no-one has made it one yet. Would yo like to?


 No.1013570>>1013653

Recently looked into starting a small instance and went over the options, eventually settling on StatusNet/GNU Social. It was comfortable to set up and light on resources so far.

Code base is a little stale so may switch to PostActiv at some point. A good middleground between Mastadon and Pleroma maybe.

Pleroma was my other consideration but the amount of additional software that it required was slightly more complex than I wanted to support.

I did like the way the project felt and how it seems to try and maintain compatibility and quality of life.

Fuck mastadon. I hate the feel of it trying to be modern twitter.

>toots

Sucks a few JP personas I like use it. So hopefully they maintain some degree of compatibility.


 No.1013653>>1013759

>>1013570

You really shouldn't create new GNU/Social instances, since it's pretty much deprecated by now. The last large instance (shitposter.club) is currently migrating to Pleroma. Also, GS becomes a huge pain in the ass to keep running after a while, to the point where it just randomly stops working and needs to be restartet.


 No.1013657


 No.1013660

>>1013529

>Normalfags will never side with us

>US

How do you know I'm not a crypto normie with stable income and a family?


 No.1013711

>>1013556

>It helps solve the dependency on Google for media.

And who created/amplified the dependency to use the browser for everything ?

Want more comparison ?

You can not browser youtube without mandatory JS.

You can not browser peertube without mandatory JS.

Most of the time the torrent links are not working.

I don't say peertube isn't a good idea, it actually just needs a few tweaks to make a viable solution that mitigates the nefast effects that JS and bad human habits have.

>ContentID, unwarranted bans, all that stuff.

This will still be a thing even with peertube actually I think it's going to be worse when it will come into light of our politicians and of course they have a complete biased interpretation of what it is because when they'll know about it they are going to impose laws similar to what France imposed for example the one that says that administrators are responsible of the post/word of those who post on their server and that servers can be removed immediately without a judge.

What will happen when they say that the law force instances to have flag warnings ? warning that could of course send IDs automatically to automated bot to block the server national wide. And don't tell me that such absurd law can't happen laws as absurd as that happen all the time.

>I cannot see evidence of it being a fork. Please give some. Big if true.

The rebrand it mobilizon.

https://pleroma.soykaf.com/notice/22829249

To avoid misinterpretation in what I said earlier, what's not possible with the GPLv3 is not the rebranding, but the removing of the original project and developers names. That as been corrected but framasoft aren't made of people who don't know that sort of thing.

>How so? I don't see evidence of that, but it's also irrelevant. That's like saying the groups behind most browser probably don't like people saying 'nigger'.

No they support place like witches.town

https://framapiaf.org/@Framasoft/99551717546833038

witches.town is dead btw but look for some post on google you'll see that it was infested with social justice fags.

>Doesn't impede any of us.

Free software does not impede anyone freedom, except, when it's related to software who's principal functions are networking.

The direction of a distribution isn't that much of a problem, and it was proved with the systemd fiasco, people went against it and made distributions without systemd.

But for software like for example Tor, I2P, peertube and similar, their goal is to make content available trough the internet. you can of course fork it and build your own system but what if you aren't ok with the feature number 11, you find it dangerous, worse of number 11 is mandatory because other functionalities are dependent on it now and it goes further because all the other servers have update it and now you are excluded from the network if you don't comply. This is something that license can't cover because it's design related further than that it human related.

>Also, highly irrelevant.

>highly

If you want to cater to emotions go post somewhere else.

It is relevant. People who follows ideological mantras are the one destroying/dividing the free software world.

They don't care about the hacker way, they don't care about freedom, they care about pushing their ideas and using free software as a mean to get that.

You can see that with their behavior, their marketing, they way they phrase their shit.

> I believe in meritocracy when it comes to software.

Yeah that's your way of thinking and I agree with it, what if I told you they shit on your meritocracy because it's used by privileged white males to stay in power and oppress people of color ?

>4chan was made by a literal Jew and it became the birthplace of /pol/ - Antisemitism. No-one fucking cared about moot's ideology when they used his site.

How many users who use proprietary software cares or knows about what they use ? I say that because 4chan is non-free.


 No.1013715>>1013780

>>1013367

>doesn't solve the problem that people are still using a web browser to watch videos

That's not a problem.

Watching images in browser is more convenient than downloading and opening them in another program, so people do that outside of specific cases: same goes for videos, and any other kind of media.

Removing the ability to dowload videos would be a problem, having videos in a webpage is not.


 No.1013732

>>1012820

They tend to get spammed full of cp by feds and degenerates. There are shared blacklists that try to keep up with it but can't.

Nntpchan is one and a mess

0chan.bit and the board it forwards to on Zeronet are a lot better and safe/legal if you stick to the more popular boards

Both are decentralized and any images/content you view or download is then later shared by you


 No.1013759

>>1013653

Good to know. May switch over if I can get something simple configured. Aiming for something that will work on pre-web2.0 browsers like Opera mobile or PIE.

It's all for fun.


 No.1013766

>>1013554

>ignore as usual

>implying he doesn't always get his daily dose of (You)s


 No.1013780

>>1013715

>Watching images in browser is more convenient

It is more convenient I agree but the method used to do so are dangerous. JS is dangerous and a browser should not be able to execute programs.

There are two way for videos to be convenient in a browser:

The first one is the one that is used nowadays, the browser renders/decodes a video in itself.

This first method only as inconveniences because people don't save the content and JS is a cheese hole for ads, spying and malwares.

The second is to select a link and then the video player of your choice be it vlc or mpv to automatically get the URL.

This second method is still not good because you still don't save the video but at least you mitigate ads, spying and malwares.

In terms of convenience normies won't see a difference with these two.

Then here's the third method that normies don't usually like because they aren't used to it anymore.

Right click

Save as

Wait for download

Double left click on the vid

The video render on your dedicated software.

That was the standard in the 90s.

>Removing the ability to dowload videos would be a problem, having videos in a webpage is not.

> having videos in a webpage is not.

Then what ? Having an OS in a webpage is not inconvenient ?

In parts of the world like in Europoor for example I know people who still use hardware from 2000 and only mpv can render HD vids correctly, they use a browser but it's slower than a 56k internet connection. Browser are very badly designed because they follow standards made by an industry who does not want to give them a choice of software and wants to sell their private life to the highest bidder.




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