[–]▶ No.1000233>>1000251 >>1000262 >>1000283 >>1000355 >>1000553 >>1000582 >>1000618 >>1000915 >>1001341 >>1001444 >>1001563 >>1008370 >>1011408 >>1016385 >>1024854 >>1032588 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
>upper left: *ERROR* *ERROR* *ERROR* *ERROR* *ERROR*
>right of that: text running over lines and overlapping other text
>below upper left: horribly pixellated buttons
>below that: WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
>right of that: image viewer that shows the same fucking thumbnail for every image.
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF OPENBSD
▶ No.1000234>>1000257 >>1000293 >>1000553 >>1000565
It's useless to "run".
Once, if ever, BSD becomes good or relevant, it will be targeted for subversion.
It's ether fighting back or dying.
Cuck.
▶ No.1000251
>>1000233 (OP)
Huh? I get those same errors on GNU/Linux.
▶ No.1000257
▶ No.1000262>>1000277 >>1000293 >>1000915
>>1000233 (OP)
>>upper left: *ERROR* *ERROR* *ERROR* *ERROR* *ERROR*
What is that program?, bet it's functioning properly anyway.
>>right of that: text running over lines and overlapping other text
I just have a feeling that you were intentionally resizing htop over and over so it would eventually glitch out and you could take this screenshot.
>>below upper left: horribly pixellated buttons
Again, what the fuck is that program.
>>below that: WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
Gtk always does this in every OS forever.
>>right of that: image viewer that shows the same fucking thumbnail for every image.
That's ristretto being shit, it does that on GNU/Linux too (it did it for me).
I don't even use OpenBSD but you're not even trying.
▶ No.1000263>>1000276 >>1000298 >>1000553 >>1000915
another case of someone not understanding OS use-cases (and how not every OS is geared primarily towards desktop usage)
I run FreeBSD on my file server so userland shit like an image viewer doesn't matter at all because I'll never use it, but it's very good for a file server OS
▶ No.1000276>>1000284 >>1000494 >>1000575 >>1001312
>>1000263
So the use case of freebsd is something you could do with literally any other distro.
▶ No.1000277>>1000416 >>1000553
>>1000262
We don't get this shit in Ubuntu that's all i'm saying (except for the GTK thing).
▶ No.1000283
>>1000233 (OP)
>why is openbsd so shit
Because niggers can't into command line.
>unpozzed is so shit
Stick to Bloatbuntu. OpenBSD doesnt' need you to pozz it.
▶ No.1000284>>1000294
>>1000276
>So the use case of freebsd is something you could do with literally any other distro.
>You could drive round a F1 racetrack with literally any other motor vehicle.
No shit.
These ni/g/gers are literally retarded.
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▶ No.1000286
>>1000285
THIS.
saging for retard OP thread
▶ No.1000292
please strongly consider suicide OP
▶ No.1000293
>>1000234
>subversion
That's a nice excuse to never improve.
>>1000262
>bet it's functioning properly anyway.
Ignoring logged errors is pajeet tier.
▶ No.1000294>>1000299
>>1000284
>FreeBSD is an F1 car
lol okay anon sure thing
▶ No.1000298>>1000303
>>1000263
I'd love to see some variant of BSD have a solid place in the desktop world though. I would argue that OS X is already that, but it's neither free or on typical PCs. TrueOS qualifies, but I guess it needs work.
▶ No.1000299>>1000301 >>1000846
>>1000294
Fuck it's dumb!
Although, considering you fail to understand the use case for OpenBSD, it's not really a surprise you failed to understand the analogy.
EACH OS HAS IT'S SPECIAL USE CASES YOU DUMB NIGGER
▶ No.1000301>>1000308
>>1000299
>EACH OS HAS IT'S SPECIAL USE CASES YOU DUMB NIGGER
This really is horribly idiotic. Show me a benchmark where freebsd does non trivially better than anything else in any area. Stop spreading delusional shit.
▶ No.1000303
>>1000298
BSD is the second most popular desktop (OSX), but the cuck license means you will never be able to use it freely.
▶ No.1000308>>1000313
>>1000301
>asserts freeBSD exists for no legitimate reason
Now that's "horribly idiotic".
▶ No.1000313>>1000319 >>1001315
>>1000308
Political reasons, and autism, just like almost everything. You can't even come up with a single example of a measurable difference. If it was really an F1 car you would have no trouble.
▶ No.1000319>>1000329
>>1000313
>muh benchmarks
There is no benchmark proving your existence is of any use.
>still fails to understand the analogy
>>>/g/
▶ No.1000325
>FreeBSD https://www.freshports.org/multimedia/ffmpeg/
>4.1, even more options than the Gentoo ebuild
>DragonflyBSD https://github.com/DragonFlyBSD/DPorts/blob/master/multimedia/ffmpeg/Makefile
>4.0.2, same story for the options
>NetBSD http://pkgsrc.se/multimedia/ffmpeg4
>4.0.3, lacking some options but still a dozen (don't see opus or x265, for example)
>OpenBSD http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/graphics/ffmpeg/Makefile?rev=1.175&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
>2.8.15, no options AT ALL
And I should add that FreeBSD and DragonflyBSD have poudriere and synth, while the others are basically for binary cucks.
This is pretty shameful considering the ridiculous amount of donations OpenBSD gets compared to Net or Dragonfly.
▶ No.1000329>>1000358
>>1000319
>Still can't list a single objective reason for his shit OS
▶ No.1000337>>1000349 >>1000712 >>1007584 >>1007996
>disable or straight up don't implement certain features
>Guys, look, our system is SO great and secure!
▶ No.1000349>>1000354 >>1000712
>>1000337
I'm not even surprised, lying about compliance specs is a long lasting tradition in Linux-land, and in general FOSS lacks any mechanism to punish false advertising.
▶ No.1000354>>1000366
>>1000349
I was talking about OpenBSD
▶ No.1000358>>1000360
>>1000329
>>Still can't list a single objective reason for his shit OS
>Still believes I need to.
Enjoy winblows. It's more on your level
▶ No.1000360>>1000363
>>1000358
>BSDfags still cant list a single reason
it must be hard being in a constant state of denial
▶ No.1000363>>1000364
>>1000360
>it must be hard being in a constant state of denial
your ignorance = my denial
lel.
▶ No.1000364>>1000368 >>1000615
>>1000363
>hurr durr freebsd is f1 car u r all just stupid
▶ No.1000366
>>1000354
and I'm saying it's normal for openBSD to follow its peers
▶ No.1000368>>1000375 >>1000377 >>1000382 >>1000398 >>1000403 >>1000576
>>1000364
oh fuck off nigger.
You still don't understand IT IS NOT AN F1 CAR. Everything that exists, exists for a purpose except you perhaps. Ergo, freeBSD is better suited to certain use cases than Bloat-buntu.
If you need someone to tell you what those cases are go play with your winblows10 because it "just werkz" for dumb niggers like you.
▶ No.1000375>>1000376 >>1000382
>>1000368
> Everything that exists, exists for a purpose
And that does not mean everything that exists is the best at something. Hint: FreeBSD is shit.
>Ergo, freeBSD is better suited to certain use cases than Bloat-buntu.
Name even a single case you can objectively say it is non-trivially better. You have been stalling for hours. Your favorite car is a jalopy best only for demolation
▶ No.1000376
▶ No.1000377>>1000382
>>1000368
>general-purpose operating systems actually have specific intended purpose
Fuck off retard
▶ No.1000382>>1000384
>>1000377
>general purpose does not have a purpose of being general
lel
>>1000375
>Name even a single case
Read nigger
>>1000368
>If you need someone to tell you what those cases are go play with your winblows10 because it "just werkz" for dumb niggers like you
▶ No.1000384>>1000386
>>1000382
>Everything is intended for something
>Cant name the case it is best at
FreeBSDfags BTFO
▶ No.1000386>>1000388 >>1000407
>>1000384
>>Cant name
>Cant = wont
>Nigger still "can't into read"
Stay dumb nigger, it's what you excel at.
▶ No.1000388>>1000392
>>1000386
JFC you FreeBSDfags are as bad as the lispfags in the other thread. They have stalled for months. I wonder how long you will go for.
▶ No.1000393>>1000403
>>1000392
Whatever cuckchanner I have been here longer than you. How about you stop stalling.
▶ No.1000396>>1000401 >>1000712
BSD is the Infinity Next of operating systems.
▶ No.1000398>>1000403
>>1000368
>Everything that exists, exists for a purpose
False.
▶ No.1000401
>>1000396
>nogrammer detected
What does that even mean?
▶ No.1000403>>1000405
>>1000393
no lainon you arrived before the retarded cucks, but you're still newfag cancer
t. oldfag
>>1000398
>another nigger who "can't into read"
>>1000368
>Everything that exists, exists for a purpose except you perhaps
▶ No.1000405>>1000407 >>1000712
>>1000403
>BSDtards in denial this hard
>Can't list even one reason
>Thinks he is an oldfag
Let me guess you will respond yet again with no content
▶ No.1000407>>1000408
>>1000405
>a small glimmer of light breaks through into the dark empty cavern that is it's mind.
>>1000386
>>>Cant name
>>Cant = wont
▶ No.1000408>>1000410
>>1000407
>I won't list even a single reason after shilling my shitty OS but I will respond 20 times
lol sure thing bud
▶ No.1000410>>1000411
>>1000408
>thinking I'm trolling the stupid thing because I care about it's ignorance and not for entertainment
lel
▶ No.1000411
>>1000410
>Cant list one reason to use your retarded operating system post #521
▶ No.1000416
>>1000277
You're clearly forcing it and you know it, you're not eve criticizing OpenBSD, you're just complaining about a bunch on programs that happen to run on OpenBSD, there is literally nothing you pointed out that directly relates to OpenBSD.>>1000414
>>>1000277
>
>You're clearly forcing it and you know it, you're not eve criticizing OpenBSD, you're just complaining about a bunch on programs that happen to run on OpenBSD, there is literally nothing you pointed out that directly relates to OpenBSD.
▶ No.1000457>>1000712
FreeBSD is better than OpenBSD.
Linux is even better then FreeBSD.
▶ No.1000494>>1000537 >>1000558
>>1000276
>use case of FreeBSD
Bluetooth, different package system with lots of packages, largest userbase if you run into problems (though developers of all the BSDs are very responsive on IRC), is usually the first to get new software, ZFS, freedom in choice of firewall, has a chance of supporting hardware the other two may not support. Like every other thing on the planet it also comes with downsides. So desktop and server, depending on what you want to do.
Your question was answered a few dozen times in the last months alone. It essentially boils down to
>I am too lazy to inform myself, even if the information is just a keypress away on this very board, therefore I can draw conclusions
Throw your computer out of the window and never post here ever again. You should be ridiculed.
▶ No.1000501>>1000518 >>1000558 >>1000873
FreeBSD does exist for a reason though. It's a free, entry-level desktop OS for people who don't like GNU standards. This cannot be said of any other OS, as OSx is nonfree, OpenBSD isn't entry-level, and NetBSD is for servers.
▶ No.1000518>>1000873
>>1000501
>don't like GNU standards
install alpine/void/gentoo lol
▶ No.1000537
>>1000494
>Bluetooth, different package system with lots of packages
Do you seriously believe it does either of those things better than Linux
▶ No.1000553>>1000577
>>1000233 (OP)
>using fvwm
top kek
>>1000234
the only cuck here is you, a lazy cuckold
>>1000263
obsd works great as a desktop
>>1000277
keep using your niggeros if you're too lazy to read documentation
▶ No.1000558>>1000616 >>1000756
>>1000494
Not compared to other BSDs, nigger, compared to linux. Everything you've listed would be done 10 times better on linux, so I'm going to assume that freebsd is, in fact, pointless.
>>1000501
>entry level OS for people who don't like GNU standards
So it's for people who have only used windows, who can't code, but who have also formed strong opinions on GNU vs BSD. It sounds like a vanishingly small market tbh.
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▶ No.1000575>>1000619
>>1000276
>distro
You have no clue what you're talking about.
▶ No.1000576
>>1000368
This post reminds of me of all the SJWs on Twatter who when asked to explain or clarify their stance on something just respond with "Um, I'm not here to educate you, sweetie" , usually followed with a picture of Kermit the frog drinking tea.
▶ No.1000582>>1000783
>>1000233 (OP)
>WHY DON'T YOU HATE WHAT I HATE?!?
>STOP OPRESSING ME!!!!
▶ No.1000611
>>1000577
how close do you sit to your screen
▶ No.1000612>>1000698
>>1000577
>he uses a TV for a monitor
▶ No.1000615
>>1000364
>horrible cringeworthy meme
>hurr
>durr
I feel like I am going to throw up.
▶ No.1000616>>1000619 >>1000873
>>1000558
>Everything you've listed would be done 10 times better on linux
ZFS, usage as server, package system and custom ports (compared to most popular linux solution), configuration and file hierarchy, documentation, ...
Better on linux? Yeah no. You'd have to never have used FreeBSD to assume that.
▶ No.1000618
>>1000233 (OP)
>he installs the most "minimal" software
>he is surprised when it's extremely minimal and things aren't perfectly MacOS-like
I mean you can install KDE on the thing and it'll act just like a Mac with the appropriate theme, is this a Coraline Ada thread?
▶ No.1000619>>1000800 >>1001310
>>1000616
of those, ZFS is the only one you listed. Don't be a retard then act smug when people call you out.
>>1000575
>berkeley software distribution
what did they mean by this?
▶ No.1000623
>why is openbsd so shit
Because it's a meme project meant to be used by its own devs and only them on top of 15+ years old ThinkPads and absolutely nothing newer than that.
▶ No.1000627>>1000630 >>1000712
Openbsd is great, I replaced my fileserver with it after linux got CoC'd. The only issue was openbsd doesn't support journaling filesystems, so I had to move all my data + format all my drives which was a waste of a day, but I've had no issues since then. It's good software
▶ No.1000630>>1000638
>>1000627
>The only issue was openbsd doesn't support journaling filesystems
Then why would you use it for a fileserver? I like OpenBSD and all but I use FreeBSD for my NAS because I know ZFS will keep my data safe.
▶ No.1000638
>>1000630
I use raid + another backup server, so consistency checking isn't important to me. Mainly though ZFS seems like bloat, I'd rather use a simple and basic filesystem that just werks
▶ No.1000698
>>1000612
That's two screens, scrot just pads above and below one monitor
▶ No.1000712>>1000734 >>1000769 >>1000790 >>1000874
>>1000337
>>1000349
>>1000405
Disabling and removing features can make it more secure, as it was the case with removing Linux compatibility layer, Bluetooth support and disabling Inlel Hyper-Threading. OpenBSD has secure default installation, /Comfy/ defaults and Best manual pages. Also, OpenBSD developers are 100% committed to their OS, and they are willing to sacrifice features for security and sanity.
>>1000396
How so?
>>1000457
False. There is Zero reason to use FreeBSD. OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD and GNU/Linux are simply better (albeit for different reasons).
>>1000577
This is correct.
>>1000627
Why not DragonFly BSD + HAMMER?
▶ No.1000734
>>1000712
FreeBSD has the fastest TCP/IP stack and a Linux 2.6 emulation layer
▶ No.1000756>>1000794
>>1000558
Entry level OSs aren't just for people who've only used Windows. Lots of people go back to Ubuntu after realizing that Arch and Gentoo are too autistic for them.
▶ No.1000769>>1000783
>>1000712
>intentionally cripple your system
<Yeah, aren't we just the best?
<*masturbates furiously*
The state of OpenBSDfags.
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▶ No.1000790>>1000873 >>1000915
>>1000712
>Disabling and removing features can make it more secure
In a purely technical way, sure.
In the same way, a computer that does not power up is the most secure machine possible.
Having the option to disable certain features to reduce attack surface is the sane way to do security, what OpenBSD has is a pathetic excuse to justify dropping featres due to lack of motivation, knowledge, and manpower.
▶ No.1000794>>1000877
>>1000756
Tbh, I like a lot of what Ubuntu does. The only thing that stops me is the pozzed name.. and the pozzed country it came from.
Yes, I'm petty.
▶ No.1000800>>1000875
>>1000619
>of those, ZFS is the only one you listed
What I listed in my second post:
>ZFS, usage as server, package system and custom ports
What I listed in my first post:
>different package system [...], ZFS, [...] desktop and server, depending on what you want to do
I assumed you know that configuration, file hierarchy, documentation are different from linux - so why mention it. My bad.
>berkeley software distribution
>what did they mean by this?
Yeah, you don't know shit. Thanks for wasting everyones time.
▶ No.1000846
>>1000299
Engineering is literally about finding the one best way to do something. "Use cases" is a meme.
▶ No.1000864
>>1000783
<*masturbates furiously*
▶ No.1000873
>>1000518
Only alpine makes sense in this post. You can get any userland you want on any distro but if it's not installed by default what's the point?
>>1000501
This. I got my feet wet with BSD by installing FreeBSD on my main rig. It was a nice experience. Before and after that I used gentoo.
>>1000616
Agreed. I do like linux on the server as well but it's not as clean as fbsd while fbsd isn't as flexible (it can be but it needs more work).
>>1000790
This.
Everyone in this thread who praise one BSD and trash the others is a weakling of the mind.
▶ No.1000874
>>1000712
>Why not DragonFly BSD + HAMMER?
I'd been playing around with openbsd in qemu for a few months so I was used to it, and I really liked it. I've looked at Dragonflybsd though, it seems cool, I'll definitely play around with it some
▶ No.1000875>>1000876
>>1000800
>bluetooth
no
>lots of packages
no
>largest userbase
no
>the first to get new software
no
>ZFS
sure
>freedom in choice of firewall
no
>supporting hardware
no
That's the shit you fucking listed
▶ No.1000876>>1000880 >>1000883
>>1000875
all i see is memes
just go back to microshit if those are the things that are important to you while selecting an operating system
▶ No.1000877
▶ No.1000879
▶ No.1000880>>1000884
>>1000876
>can't list a single thing his shitty OS is best at
▶ No.1000883
>>1000876
Mshit doesn't have access to most unix packages, needed for running servers and whatnot. And anyway, a necessary precondition for all of this is freedom.
▶ No.1000884>>1000886 >>1000889
>>1000880
stability, correctness, and documentation
enjoy using your hobbyist hacked together piece of shit and having to goolge for hours for esoteric console commands
▶ No.1000886>>1000888 >>1000894
>>1000884
> hobbyist hacked together piece of shit
If by hobbyist you mean backed by massive enterprises such as Intel, IBM, RedHat, with development from the best engineers available.
▶ No.1000888>>1000891
>>1000886
and by not hobbyist you mean theo in his garage.
▶ No.1000889
>>1000884
>hobbyist hacked together piece of shit
but that's exactly what openbsd is lmao
▶ No.1000891>>1000896 >>1000899 >>1000904
>>1000888
OpenBSD has been well funded, this year they exceeded their funding goals early. They are on track to do the same next year as well.
▶ No.1000894>>1000900
>>1000886
doesnt make a difference what their paycheck is when there is no unified design philosophy, everything is a hacked together piece of shit, random unaudited packages taped and strung together to make a giant pile of shit. and everything that's actually unified is pozzed microshit-tier backdoored poetteringware designed by the biggest software contractor of the defense department
▶ No.1000896>>1000898
>>1000891
And they still have the worse package manager of all the BSDs, by far (>>1000325).
▶ No.1000898
>>1000896
I've never had a problem with ports or packages. Maybe you didn't read the manual?
Coraline Ada thread BTW.
▶ No.1000899>>1000900
>>1000891
>OpenBSD has been well funded
You mean one guy saved them after they could barely afford to keep their servers running.
▶ No.1000900>>1000902 >>1000916
>>1000894
Linux is finished and it's going to massively harm the surveillance and hacking abilities of our intelligence and defense agencies as people switch to OpenBSD. This explains why the same kinds of scripted shilling against it appear wherever it's discussed, from Reddit to Hacker News to cuck chan and this place too.
The Internet has been captured.
>>1000899
Nah, if you care to see who donated to them this year they have the list on their site. Linux is finished, so is Windows and so is FreeBSD. OpenBSD and Plan 9 are the future unless you're comfy being pozzed.
▶ No.1000901
Sure are a lot of CoC suckers in this thread.
▶ No.1000902>>1000905 >>1000916
>>1000900
>plan 9 is the future
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA. Wow this BSDfag is delusional
▶ No.1000904>>1000905
>>1000891
As far as I can tell, they don't pay for development. All their developers are volunteers. The money goes to paying for servers and hackathons. They had a hundred thousand dollar surplus last year because they don't have enough things to spend the money on.
▶ No.1000905>>1000914
>>1000902
I'm already using it for several things. Most of the recent developments in 9front have been driven by corporate users, not hobbyists.
>>1000904
It's perfect.
▶ No.1000914>>1006677
>>1000905
>Calls enterprise ventures hobby shit
>Thinks actual hobby shit will take over world
lol
▶ No.1000915
>>1000233 (OP)
ristretto is a piece of shit. i can't remember what i did but i had to change the source to make it start up, and even when it starts everything about it is shit.
t. recently spent a day going through about 100 image viewers on linux/windows
>all those errors from the ristretto console
that happens with every single Gnome program ever made. the problem here is gnome. i get this shit even on gentoo and have for the last 10 years
>>1000252
no, breaking invariants and segfaulting is not a possible result of user error. and the fact that you think so means that, _YOU_ are doing it wrong
>I just have a feeling that you were intentionally resizing htop over and over so it would eventually glitch out and you could take this screenshot.
>>1000262
>i have the feeling
even if that's true the software is still shit
>>1000263
that's not how it works sysadmin bro. all these bugs happen in Linux as well, but i'm sure at that point you are going to tell me to use Windows for the desktop
>>1000790
nigger making features optional means changing the code in 40 places and even adding new abstractions to support some feature that you are just going to disable to make the OS more "secure"
▶ No.1000916>>1001123
>>1000900
>>1000902
>>plan 9 is the future
▶ No.1000918
OpenBSD is puking on the Intel botnet. Try run it on Amiga or something.
▶ No.1001123
>>1000916
9fronts image gallery is hilarious
▶ No.1001310
>>1000619
>what did they mean by this?
Versions of BSD are called forks. NetBSD, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD are BSD forks. You say distro when referring to GNU/Linux distros.
BSD means Berkley System Distribution of Unix but nobody calls them distros.
▶ No.1001312>>1001328
>>1000276
>So the use case of freebsd is something you could do with literally any other distro.
BSD has native ZFS support. On Linux, you need to use zfsonlinux, which is apparently sketchy compared to regular ZFS.
I've never had a single issue with ZFS in FreeBSD. Look at zfsonlinux though...
▶ No.1001315>>1025052
>>1000313
BSD:
native pf and ZFS
GNU/Linux:
iptables and ext4 or some shit
BSD:
pfSense and FreeNAS for quickly setting up routers and file server
GNU/Linux:
No such equivalent turnkey solutions
▶ No.1001328>>1001339 >>1016494
>>1001312
ZFS is a particular filesystem. If linux doesn't support it, you can just use another filesystem. Why is ZFS so special?
▶ No.1001339>>1001449
>>1001328
FreeNAS with ZFS supports RAIDZ2 (you can have multiple physical drives be displayed as a single logical volume with ZFS, and it doesn't require a hardware RAID controller (and all of the potential issues that can arise with that)) and file versioning so you can revert to old versions of files. It's quite nice, but you don't seem like you want to listen. ZFS is scalable and also has features to protect against data corruption, among other things. ZFS also offers caching that puts frequently used files in RAM as opposed to being slow and retrieving everything from disk.
Seems like sour grapes on your part if you're going to say it's just a filesystem, because in that case using your own logic you'd say there's nothing wrong with NTFS because it's "just a filesystem."
With your own fauly logic, I guess you should use Windows because it's "a particular operating system" and clearly everything is equally good.
▶ No.1001341>>1001463
>>1000233 (OP)
how is any of that related to OpenBSD?
you're free to use whichever image viewer, process viewer or whatever you want
also, running gtk programs from the terminal always displays a bunch of errors and warnings, no matter the OS
▶ No.1001444
>>1000233 (OP)
>pajeet makes iGPU driver specifically for RHEL
>a f*cking leaf et al tries to reverse engineer the driver, including firmware and other binaries
>makes a mess
blame the losers at the bottom of the manpage, and the hardware
man.openbsd.org/intel.4
▶ No.1001449>>1001474 >>1006655
>>1001339
>it doesn't require a hardware RAID controller (and all of the potential issues that can arise with that)
Nor the performance benefits of having a controller with dedicated RAM with a battery backup to prevent loss of integrity on power failure. Unless you want to raw-dog it and hope for the best.
>and file versioning so you can revert to old versions of files
cwfs from Plan 9 has this - though for different reasons, and it's dumb as hell there too. btrfs from linux has it too, but only because ZFS has it, and it's just as pointless there.
>ZFS is scalable
Practically every fs is
>has features to protect against data corruption
It checksums your data so it can tell you whether it's been corrupted. It doesn't do reed-solomon coding or anything similar to actually recover corrupted data. Which is nice and most file systems don't do this, even though they should. But don't oversell it.
>ZFS also offers caching that puts frequently used files in RAM
I would assume, just like linux's dentry cache, that this is a feature of the BSD kernel and not ZFS specifically. Even Windows does this.
▶ No.1001463>>1002754
>>1001341
I concur. And OpenBSD doesn't enable extra services by default.
▶ No.1001474
>>1001449
>use a shitty proprietary raid controller instead
nice
▶ No.1001563>>1002754 >>1002757
>>1000233 (OP)
how do you not go blind with that micro houndstooth texture. i sure hope you can change backgrounds.
what sort of tiling wms are available for openbsd?
▶ No.1001617>>1002754
>>1000577
enjoy going blind with that awful terminal font
▶ No.1002754
>>1001617
>>1001563
Go back to the cuck chan desktop thread you mong.
>>1001463
This whole thread reeks of Coraline Ada.
▶ No.1002757
>>1001563
Those WM run on everyhing that has Xorg. If you want version numbers and stuff, look at openports.se, or better yet the CVS.
▶ No.1006528>>1007389 >>1016372
reminder that "take code from Linux devs and absolutely never review it" is a legitimate security approach
▶ No.1006583
>TL;DR version
So, all variations of UNIX are fucked and anyone still defending either as or the "superior moral choice" is an idiot.
Does that about sum it up?
▶ No.1006655
>>1001449
There's quite a few tests indicating that ZFS is preferable to hardware RAID in terms of performance (often) and data integrity (most of the time).
>A strong showing by ZFS: ~10% more IOPS; ~10% lower latency; ~10% more bandwidth
https://storagemojo.com/2006/08/15/zfs-performance-versus-hardware-raid/
also regarding disk failures: http://gridpp-storage.blogspot.com/2016/03/zfs-vs-hardware-raid.html
Go find the rest yourself
▶ No.1006677
>>1000914
It's not like Linux was Linus' hobby project in the beginning.
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▶ No.1007389>>1007559 >>1008360
>>1006528
All code from Linux (except proprietary blobs) are extensively reviewed by Linus and company before approving it, so it's safer than whatever bullshit the BSDM guys are doing.
▶ No.1007559
>>1007389
>Linus and company
>Intel and Microsoft and IBM
I've never met Theo and I know he has a reputation for being a dick but for some reason I automatically trust him a million times more than the Linux Kernel dev team.
▶ No.1007584>>1007996
>>1000337
Хули она такая курва?
▶ No.1007996
>>1000337
Disable or straight up don't implement certain features decreases the attack surface, surprise.
>>1007584
ты че, ебанутый? че ты тут делаешь?
▶ No.1008346
Мы скучали по тебе DT, что ты делала последние несколько дней? Вы получили ваш торговый сайт сделал? Как семья тоже?
▶ No.1008360>>1008374
>>1007389
>except proprietary blobs
lmao listen to yourself
▶ No.1008370>>1008480 >>1008518
>>1000233 (OP)
I never understood why moron's want to run openBSD as a desktop system. I'm a professional linux systems engineer and I struggle to understand why people want to use linux on the desktop either TBH. I use Mac OS at work and at home. Sorry basement dweebs
▶ No.1008374>>1008479
>>1008360
BSDs have blobs too.
▶ No.1008479
>>1008374
openbsd doesn't. it might have some firmware blobs that load unto peripherals but they have no blobs touching the kernel
▶ No.1008480>>1011084 >>1011138
>>1008370
>t. look at me i pay $3,000 to use a computer, look how retarded i am
fuck off glow-nig
▶ No.1008518>>1010895 >>1011084
>>1008370
>I use Mac OS at work and at home.
TOP KEK
>I'm a professional linux systems engineer
As a sysadmin you should know better.
GNU/Linux does everything better than mac and because of WINE you even have Windows Software including games available.
Every OS > Mac
Mac is more like a garbage BSD inferior to all other OSs. It only works with apple hardware because it only has drivers for that. Licensewise you aren't even allowed to install it on non apple hardware.
I thus conclude that you're sitting in front of your Mac PC with apple peripherals, apple speakers and an apple retina display monitor, masturbating how great your apple shit is.
A apple yourself!
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▶ No.1011084>>1011123
>>1008518
>>1008480
>cant afford a mac
>not making 100k a year entry level
▶ No.1011123>>1011388 >>1011485 >>1016400
>>1011084
> buying expensive botnet x86 hardware when you can instead buy under $100 ARM SBC with Cortex-A7 and no nasty firmware or driver blobs
The only good MacOS is the old m68k stuff. All the modern stuff is for good goys to show how much they love being obedient slaves.
▶ No.1011124
Could some kind soul give a quick overview of fonts on OBSD? What font packages & configuration is required to take a base 6.4 system to font heaven?
▶ No.1011138>>1011144 >>1011407
>>1008480
you can get a lightly used macbook for like $700
can't use Xcode on GNU/Linux, but you can multi-boot macOS/Linux/Windows on a mac
▶ No.1011144
>>1011138
you can get a lightly used powerbook for like $70
▶ No.1011388>>1011477
>>1011123
>only care about blobs and not getting shit done
this is what makes everyone on /tech/ larpers.
▶ No.1011407>>1011483
>>1011138
Apple hasn’t put a decent keyboard in a laptop for a decade or longer.
▶ No.1011408
>>1000233 (OP)
cuz not enough developers
▶ No.1011477>>1011485 >>1016375
>>1011388
Hur dur, I need iBotnet computer to run massive desktop environment, because that's the only way I can write my source codes, ssh to servers, write documents, do emails, and other stuff people have been doing fine for decades with 1% or less of the hardware resources.
▶ No.1011483>>1024640
>>1011407
What's wrong with macbook keyboards? I can type just fine on mine. I have no need for neckbeardy gaming shit.
▶ No.1011485>>1011502
>>1011477
>>1011123
>all this goalpost moving
>doesn't recognize a decade old meme
You're trying too hard, nigger.
▶ No.1011502>>1011566
>>1011485
Hur dur, it was just a prank, bro. I was only pretending to be retard.
▶ No.1011566>>1011569
>>1011502
Keep drawing attention to how much of a newfag you are, lad.
▶ No.1011569
>>1011566
Hur, dur, call him a newfag now.
▶ No.1015559>>1015696
where is the default fvwm file? system.fvwmrc at /usr/ X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm/system.fvwmrc seems to be different from the default theme, it is pink, with a clock at the bottom corner and different fonts.
▶ No.1015565
Actually, NetBSD and FreeBSD are also bull shit!
Linux is best!
▶ No.1015696>>1015721
>>1015559
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc loads some resources and starts some clients. That's what runs if you don't have an ~/.xinitrc file. If using xdm, look in the /etc/X11/xdm directory.
▶ No.1015721
>>1015696
Nevermind I suck cocks, it is in that folder but as a dotfile (.fvwmrc).
▶ No.1016372
>>1006528
Thats idiocy on the OpenBSD devs.
▶ No.1016375>>1024958 >>1025549
>>1011477
Science shows, niggers have low IQ. I've met a few that are smart, the rest of them are roaches.
It would be interesting to see African power beyond sport, where are their cars? Where are their software? Same goes for Spics and those brown rats in India.
How many individuals in those countries can join a goddamn team and lift something up and out and is an expression of their DNA? I will never see that in my lifetime.
▶ No.1016385
>>1000233 (OP)
>Using a firewall OS on a desktop
I'm really enjoying my Watchguard gaming rig.
▶ No.1016400>>1016414
>>1011123
Nice to look at, but broken AF. There are reasons Apple almost went broke that time. I'm fucking ancient and programmed for those platforms, soon my pubes are grey, probably in parts of how retarded they were. Took 10 years off my life. Fucking big endianness.
You idiot fuckers are all furiously masturbating over Linux vs. *BSD when your biggest and only problem is that you use shit desktop environments and program selections put together by some genderqueer retard faggot with a twitter account. Here's the ultimative review on all the OSS-Desktop enviroments: They're all shit. Sometimes the developers get clever and then instead of shit they're hot garbage. Don't bother with them.
Use a lightweight window manager and avoid everything that pulls in GTK/QT as much as possible and all your problems are solved. (specially avoid everything GTK > 2) Can't compile your own software to do so in edge cases? Might as well install Win10. It works and is on your level of computer literacy, at least. Can't speak for qt but GTK made interacting with it pajeet-level in version 3 and it shows in the quality of the software. Turns out most people in this industry have no fucking idea what they're doing and if all you need sometimes is a simple GUI program, for fucks sake, just write it yourself. Lots of lightweight libs around, just pick one.
If you're a linux, get also rid of dbus (pajeet-trier garbage) the pam/*kits (as they usually cause more security problems than they solve) udev (impossible to use properly and bizarre dependencies recently) systemd & OpenRC (both solutions for problems that don't exist) - you can't in your distro? Get a better distro then as the people of your distro obviously have no idea what they're doing if they make that shit mandatory, or are trying to build Windows for Normies edition. (which will always be shit, Linux' userland is absolute garbage in that regard) Compile your own kernel. Throw out shit you don't need. Won't make a speed difference these days but will make a security difference as the kernel is simply too big to not have security problems. Use some kind of MAC and train it yourself. For fucks sake, don't use SELinux. Not because it's NSA, but because it either needs rain man-level of autism to understand how it works or relying on the work on other idiots and not understanding it yourself. Ignorance and/or complexity are the biggest enemy of security.
If you need some garbage trier program to chat with the camwhores you pay or something, put it into a container or VM. If you literally can't grow up and need to play video games, same.
If you're a *BSD then congrats you don't have to care about all that because your OS doesn't have these kinds of choices to begin with. If you can live with the restrictions, more power to you. If you can't, use Linux or remote connect to a linux box, real or virtualized. Ask yourself if it makes sense to keep using *BSD. If the answer is yes, congrats again. Just be aware you can't use a lot of shit that's have gotten really common in the last, uh, ten years.
99% of ARM stuff on linux is proprietary ching chong garbage that works on "linux-like" kernels that are kept together by chinese engineering knowledge. Good luck with that shit.
▶ No.1016414>>1016418
>>1016400
But I don't even want X to begin with. I just use the framebuffer console in Devuan, kinda like I used the text console plus SVGAlib stuff back in the 90's when I had Slackware on a 486 with 4 megs RAM (later upgraded to 8, which made compiling those massive 1.2.x kernels a lot less painful).
I also have NetBSD on an old spare class 2 SD card that I scrounged from my Nintendo DS flash cart. It's not much fun to use it that way, so I'm waiting to get a 3A power supply, so I can connect a HDD to my board. I did my research properly and bought an ARM board that doesn't need any closed firmware or driver blobs, and with an SoC that's well-supported across Linux and *BSD. If you don't do any research, then yeah you'll end up with something that depends on Allwinner kernel and/or various blobs. But the information is out there for those who want to take their time and buy the right thing for their needs.
http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort
http://wiki.NetBSD.org/ports/evbarm/
https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers
▶ No.1016418>>1016419 >>1016432
>>1016414
Yeah, yeah not wrong. Not really satisfied with the framebuffer alone personally, X is ok (even if kinda bloated) and lets you do some neat stuff, especially in networking. I also really really am a multimedia whore and skipping X is a bit too uncomfy there. I'm no RMS either and was often thinking if I should get some shitty android-supporting SoC for my video and multimedia needs but I am/was too lazy to make that jump yet.
Which board did you pick? i.MX6 based? Link the board I bought, I'm curious.
▶ No.1016419>>1016432
>>1016418
*you
I started off with a C64. Probably last computer I really understood 100%.
▶ No.1016432>>1016450
>>1016418
I got this one:
http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubietruck
Cortex-A7 processor was a must for me, since it's forever immune to Spectre class bugs, and anything else that might also exploit the out-of-order execution and speculation in modern processors.
Android pretty much works flawlessly on all these ARM boards, and supports every device, but it's full botnet so I don't use it.
>>1016419
First computer I got to use was an Osborne 1. Had MBASIC on there, and books/magazines with code listings (that sometimes needed to be modified, to work properly). Good times!
▶ No.1016450
>>1016432
Quite funnily, I researched the links you posted and that was the board I would've picked. I always wanted a typwriter/ssh machine/thin client that has enough ompf to make it's own compilations and run some curses based software locally but not so much as to be ridiculously powerful (= uses too much electricity) for that usage case. Also yeah, firmware blobs bother me too although admittedly, not as much. I even looked into some classic computers, but usually RAM restraints or power usage where the blocker here.
I saw that very board right now on a local ebay-like market for 40 bucks, complete with acrylic case and all cabling. I thought why not and bought it. (I swear to god, every time I come to this board I end up buying something) Was burned by ARM two times already, let's see if three time's the charm.
A radio station over here had a "computer hour" and used to transmit programs you could record via casette, that was surprisingly robust but I ended up with a few corrupted transmissions. Hard to imagine how much the world changed.
▶ No.1016456
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE NO SOFTWARE CHANGES MATTER?
DO YOU THINK THE CIA NIGGERS ARE ALREADY IN YOUR i3?
DOES GTK GIVE YOU ERRORS?
HAVE YOU NOT RUN A TERMINAL COMMAND THIS MONTH BECAUSE THERES JUST NO POINT!?!?!
COME TO /TECH/ AND MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT!
▶ No.1016494
>>1001328
It's the only filesystem with "modern features" available for Lignux.
>inb4 btrfs
it's vaporwave.
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▶ No.1024640
>>1011483
>macbook keyboards
They have ctrl, alt and super keys switched around which is god awful, faggot.
▶ No.1024854>>1024874 >>1025553
>>1000233 (OP)
No support for Wayland
▶ No.1024874
>>1024854
> no support for some lame Linux shit that devkooks made after they got tired of fucking up XFree86
Gee, really breaks my heart. If only OpenBSD devs would cuck, get CoC'd, and do the wayland and potering dance!
▶ No.1024958
>>1016375
We don't have industries because our banana shitholes rather sell commodities for dirt cheap to the chinks so they sell us back more expensive chips. it's about the paycheck you get on your desk in this part of the world. it sucks ass, but at least we have food.
t. Chilean
▶ No.1025052
>>1001315
>No such equivalent turnkey solutions
What are openmediavault and OpenWRT?
▶ No.1025549
>>1016375
I bet you can count the number of sub-saharan OpenBSD users on one hand.
▶ No.1025552
Fun Fact: 79% of linux kernel commits are rewriting the same drivers over and over again because linus can't into stable api!
▶ No.1025553>>1025750 >>1025894
>>1024854
>No support for Wayland
Good ol' X, often berated, never surpassed. Kind of means they got it right all along.
▶ No.1025750>>1025786
>>1025553
>any x program can keylog and screenshot you regardless of the user it is run as
great botnet you got there anon
▶ No.1025786>>1025790 >>1025873
>>1025750
Why are you installing random untrusted programs?
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▶ No.1025873
>>1025786
Are you personally auditing the source code of every single program and library running on your machine?
Are you absolutely sure no program is exploiting a bug in another program/library to keylog you via the X server?
▶ No.1025894
>>1025553
You could say the same about Windows. Except it might be closer to the truth if you ignore everything after 7. Still retarded, just not as much.
▶ No.1032588
>>1000233 (OP)
>look, it's the same complainist who ran reactos on a vm
Whatever, hamguy.