No.31932
Out of all the many ideologies, philosophies, laws, doctrines and teachings both spiritual and material within the SW universe (ranging from jedi, sith, gray, imperial, republican, insectoid, hutt laws and countless more) which would you say most aligns with your own mindset and best represents your own views?
For me, I've always admired the Trandoshan doctrines which are focused solely around the Hunt. It is adventurous, daring and thrilling, although a bit too cruel at times, but the complexity and devotion they can put into what would normally be such a barbaric and savage way of life is really quite interesting, and the "scoring system" even more so. I also used to admire the jedi way before the prequels shed more light onto the order. As such I prefer Luke's own interpretations of the way these days.
>inb4 Kreia fap thread
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No.31933
>>31932
Kreia did nothing wrong
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No.31934
Jedi. Prequel Jedi mistakes were being too involved in politics, and fighting a war. Besides that though, I admire the no sex and no attachment stuff, although it's not something I could do. Although Jedi do have attachments even so, but I think it means not having jealous attachment and accepting that people will die etc
I think people like to say the Jedi were bad for not letting people have sex and stuff, but I think that's just inserting their own morality on to Star Wars as correct.
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No.31935
>>31934
They weren't exactly wrong for not letting Jedi engage in carnal activities and the like, but they were wrong for going full autismo over it, and it ended up doing more harm than good, causing a variety of problems that culminated in Anakin's spergout. It's a nice ideal, but demanding absolutely everyone in your order lives up to it completely is unrealistic. To use a real-world example, take the Orthodox and Catholic church stances on this subject: because the Orthodox allow their priests to be married (although if you become ordinated single you must stay that way), they've completely avoided the various pedophilia incidents that have plagued the Catholic church over the years, as they've made sure the priesthood includes normal people and isn't predominantly weirdo. Bishops, however, need to be single or widowed.
Going back to Star Wars, I think this could be reflected in the new Jedi Order: don't necessarily ban marriage and attachment, but stress that those who engage in these practices cannot fully understand the Force. Jedi may marry, but no Jedi that has a spouse is allowed to sit on the Council. This would in many ways allow the best of both worlds: Knights and Masters who do not sit on the council will have ties which keep them down-to-Earth, and prevent them from getting too detached from the needs of the common people they are supposed to protect. The Council, free from mundane obligations, have no conflict of interest which prevent them from devoting themselves completely to the Force and its will.
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No.31938
>>31934
"If it's not in our records, it doesn't exist."
The Order had DEEP issues, and a code of conduct which couldn't offer effective counsel to jedi who were having difficulties. See Yoda "counseling" Anakin about his nightmares of Padme dying for a greater understanding of how terrible their process was. "Just accept it brah" -Wise Master.
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No.31939
>>31935
I must agree that the New Jedi Order was a lot better because of their flexibility.
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No.31941
>>31935
>>31939
>I must agree that the New Jedi Order was a lot better because of their flexibility.
Pretty much.
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No.31944
>>31938
What should Yoda have said?
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No.31946
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>>31944
For one, he should've inquired more. Also, if he had remembered Anakin's mother dying, which I'm sure had to have been on the record somewhere, he would have known how great Anakin's fear of loss was, and how dangerous that fear could grow to be. Instead he shrugs it all off with a form-letter-tier response, just listen to it. The reason it's bad advice is because it doesn't help to resolve the conflict at all.
"I'm very worried about x"
"Don't be worried about x"
This is the level Yoda is operating on, rather than trying to address why Anakin is terrified. The key thing would be to just talk to him about his mother and walk through those emotions and how they are the root of his current dilemma. Instead of being compassionate, Yoda was apathetic, which just drove Anakin to feel isolated. Also, Yoda should've encouraged him to talk about it with Obi-Wan, who is better equipped to handle Anakin's emotional problems due to a. being human, and b. living alongside him for a very long time.
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No.31947
>>31946
"Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."
Seriously imagine saying that to somebody who comes to you for help.
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No.31952
>>31946
>>31947
>>31944
>>31938
better question is how many of the masters realized anakin was fucking padme on the side and ignored it? obi-wan couldn't have been the only person to have realized anakin's jedi boners were for one specific piece of ass.
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No.31960
>>31952
Even when actively confronting a probably failure such as Anakin, the Jedi Order on the eve of the Republic was incredibly overconfident of its own successes. They were so enamored with the efficacy of their methods that they couldn't even conceive heh of a pupil deviating from their Code.
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No.31961
>>31947
>Seriously imagine saying that to somebody who comes to you for help.
They were supposed to be space Buddhists, originally, so the "advice" makes sense in that context: cultivating a sense of detachment to free oneself from suffering and achieve a sense of wholeness. Still terrible advice to someone who doesn't seem to be buying into the system, though.
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No.31962
>>31961
>They were supposed to be space Buddhists, originally, so the "advice" makes sense in that context: cultivating a sense of detachment to free oneself from suffering and achieve a sense of wholeness.
Even in that context, I wouldn't say so. Advice is supposed to tell you what to do, or how to approach a problem, not simply remind you what the end goal is. Clearly Anakin is having trouble cultivating detachment, so the proper advice to give is how to cultivate detachment.
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No.31973
>>31952
I barely recall several stories implying that some Jedi and individuals who worked closely with Anakin slightly suspected he was in a romance, including Obi-Wan, but they didn't address it. It wasn't too rare for some jedi to have secret romances, like Kit Fisto, as long as they didn't reveal it. However Anakin being married was something that never crossed anyone's mind and would definitely be worthy of expulsion from the Order. Mundi was the only jedi allowed to marry because of two reasons:
1: IRL explanation: His marriage was introduced before Lucas set up the dumb no-marriage rule in II.
2: In-Universe: Mundi was allowed to marry because his species had a declining population and males were rare, so it was partially approved for political reasons as long as he knew not to get too attached to his family to the point where emotions would not overwhelm his better judgement.
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No.32819
>>31973
>dat pic
Reminds me that I have a great appreciation for Cerean culture.
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