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>>25652

The EU explains his reasoning for leaving in the comic Star Wars: Jedi - Count Dooku. He was willing to join up with Palpy because he saw him as the lesser of the two evils and saw his actions as justified. He "knew" that Qui Gon's murder was nothing personal on Palpatine's part, just simply part of his grand plan of dethroning the jedi, which Dooku supported. He saw Qui Gon's death as being the fault of the jedi who put him in harm's way over politics the jedi had no business being involved in. He saw the jedi as corrupt as the Senate and that they had lost their way. Joining the sith to destroy the jedi and the Senate was the only way he believed that order could be restored to the galaxy. Filoni's Clone Wars kinda down plays this deeper level of Dooku's sadly and just portrays him as a puppet of Palpatine's who only wants power for the sake of it and is just as corrupt as the galactic senate, despite that media prior to Filoni's show hinted that Dooku truly believed in the cause of the CIS.

>>25653

I thought about that, but wouldn't Dooku realize that the CIS was controlled opposition since Sheev already had control of the Republic? That's what I'm getting hung up on.

>Filoni changes the EU for no good reason

Maybe it was also influenced by Lucas, but either way it's odd to have other writers fill that in and change it after the fact. Lucas always changed his story, but he did care enough about the EU to have mandates about what they were allowed to do. Why not have more say in the matter so issues like this and the timeframe problem with Zahn don't happen? Then again, it feels dumb to complain when they at least tried to make it work over different media when Disney can't be assed to plan a movie trilogy.

>>25656

>I thought about that, but wouldn't Dooku realize that the CIS was controlled opposition since Sheev already had control of the Republic? That's what I'm getting hung up on.

I recall that Dooku didn't openly know that Palpatine was Sidious, he only suspected in the Darth Plagueis book. His reasoning I think was that he saw Palpatine as a force for change who was openly trying to dismantle the Republic and Jedi Order that Dooku had grown to hate. He probably thought Palpatine was a kindred spirit who had worked up through the political ranks (much like Dooku) himself to try and change things for the better, but unbeknownst to Dooku, Palpatine's goals were purely for the Sith and himself.

>>25652

I honestly find Dooku to be one of the more interesting characters of the EU. I initially hated him in the films as I thought his reveal and introduction lacked any substance or emotional debt since he just came out of fucking nowhere with no hint of his existence beforehand, making him feel like a forced last minute change or an attempt at merchandising. But the media surrounding him afterwards truly made him feel like a unique villain with a strong emotional depth and sense of goals that truly made him stand out. A shame newer media prior to Disney portrayed him as more and more heartless.

>>25656

>Then again, it feels dumb to complain when they at least tried to make it work over different media when Disney can't be assed to plan a movie trilogy.

Disney pretty much through any attempt at coherence or fanservice out the window after purchasing the franchise. The only idea of fanservice they had was waxing OT nostalgia and giving us Battlefield with Battlefront skins.

>Why not have more say in the matter so issues like this and the timeframe problem with Zahn don't happen?

Zahn originally asked Lucas about when the Clone Wars took place, the problem was George retconned parts of his own history at times. Zahn did his damndest to follow George's advice and the RPG guide. As for consistency, I believe Leland Chee handled that for the most part, but Pablo Hidalgo and Filoni kinda shat when they (with Lucas's blessing) started becoming more active in the lore. George himself kinda started making things more unstable thanks in part to Filoni's endless asskissing. I'm not saying George did anything inherently wrong aside from his desire to constantly retcon shit (even in the films), but Filoni and Hidalgo weren't exactly good influences on George.

>>25657

That makes some sense. Maybe I'm reading too much into the situation where he meets Sheev at the end of AotC and I'm assuming he's in on everything since they're talking face-to-face. It would be nice to have more clarity in the films, but Sheev being a chessmaster that plays everyone is established, so it's not out of bounds.

>>25658

Yeah, Dooku definitely carries intrigue with him. It helps that Christopher Lee is experienced enough as an actor to give that vibe with minimal screen time. He needed more build up in the film, which is an issue with the prequels. They have the story material, but Lucas had too much to accomplish in 2 hours without focusing more, which would've required more writers adept in mystery stories. Too bad he essentially got banned from Hollywood, his material would've been far better suited to what the MCU is doing.

>tfw Lucas could've been the one to start a cinematic universe in the 80s

>instead he got fucked by tinsletown and his wife

>the only cinematic universes we get are capeshit sprinkled with identity politics

Now that is a tragedy.

>A shame newer media prior to Disney portrayed him as more and more heartless

I'd say that's a theme Lucas kept trying to stick with when it came to the dark side. Same thing happens with Anakin choking Padme. No matter how rationalized, the dark side will eventually twist one into a mockery of what they once stood against. The counter argument would be them doing the same with Grevious, which was a shame too. Lucas might've just had a specific idea of him that everyone else kept trampling on when they got artistic freedom, and they're the ones diverging instead, so there's that angle to consider as well.

As for Lucas, I believe he does give a shit about making things as consistent as possible, but he's on his own spectrum of autism, so he'll laser in on some details none of us care about, while missing others. It's hard to tell what people will get up in arms about at times until after the fact. It still remains though that he gave a shit, while Disney thought the brand was so strong they could do whatever and get away with it. If nothing else, the mouse will operate like the rest of Hollywood and have their hits like Marvel cover the shitty films they want to make like TLJ. I agree Filoni and Hidalgo weren't good influences, since they're still working at Disney despite everything.

>>25652

The answer is he didn't want to stop the "Sith controlled Republic," he wanted to eliminate all around corruption in the Republic. He supported the Sith takeover and formation of empire. While he may have supported some of Separatist ideas aligned with this ultimately they were disposable useful idiots and also represented a great deal of the corruption problem. The scene with Obi-Wan in AotC is just him trying to genuinely reel in Obi-Wan convincing him that the Sith control both sides so might as well join him. I think it's a dumb scene that muddies the waters of his motivation.

>>25656

They CIS was a controlled opposition to militarize the republic and justify a coup. Dooku designed together with Sidious. Plus they made it composed by aliens to galvanize the human majority support to their rule. Sidious had the Galactic Empire as a result while Dooku envisioned an "Empire of Man", an openly racist humanocentric empire who relied on an army of dark side indoctrinated force sensitives with Anakin as their general. Only a few moments before his death it was they Dooku saw that Palpatine's plans were totally different.