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▶ No.12707>>12713
>>12702
>>12701
>faggots don't know what 4 x 2 is and what an elite 8 are
>being this bitter
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▶ No.12711>>12718 >>12719
>>12708
>VIII better than VII
Both are worthless, irredeemable shit, but I'd say VII is slightly more bearable. At least with TFA Abrams is plagiarizing ANH--actually a half-decent film–so blatantly, some of the original shines through over the flare-covered coat of paint JJ hastily threw over it. As a result you're fooled into enjoying yourself for a couple brief moments here and there before the cold truth of reality catches up to you. TLJ is so full of canon-rape and Johnson's idiotic, self-serving "If I fuck up the story with random, tone-deaf and inexplicable 'twists' and everyone will love me for being 'subversive' and intentionally shitting on the hopes and expectations of the few people who actually got invested into the trashfire my predecessor left me" moronic hipster bullshit to allow for that.
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▶ No.12713
>>12707
>not wanting to be bitter at disney
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▶ No.12718>>12721
>>12711
Not that guy, but I put VIII above VII simply because of what a massive trainwreck it was. It's like a high budget version of Plan 9 from Outer Space.
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▶ No.12719>>12720 >>12724 >>13149
>>12711
If you know anything about filmmaking VIII is a hundred million times better than VII no matter how shit you think either are
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▶ No.12720>>12722 >>12739
>>12719
Well then, O wise and knowledgeable one, why is that? It's got snazzy eye candy and precious little else. The writing is trash, the acting outside of Hammil is so-so, the dialogue is cringeworthy shit.
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▶ No.12721>>12724
>>12718
It’s not so bad it’s good.
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▶ No.12722>>12724
>>12720
It doesn’t even have that. The designs are ugly and derivative.
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▶ No.12723
>>12688 (OP)
Here's mine aho
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▶ No.12724>>12738
>>12721
I never said that specifically. Its awful and I love it because of how it fucked Disney over and divided the plebian fandom.
>>12722
I thought it was shit, but the special effects were fine. The designs were hideous, and according to starwars.com, the ugly as shit Dr. Who aliens were supposedly ugly as sin re-imaginings of EU aliens.
>>12719
But you agree both are shit right? Just that one turd is more amusing to look at than the other?
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▶ No.12729>>12733 >>13152
>>12688 (OP)
That one looks like the altered pro-Disney one, here's the original.
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▶ No.12733>>12735
>>12729
>pitting both Ewok movies against the OT
That's harsh. At least pit them against each other. Caravan of Courage was my preferred Ewok movie, but Battle for Endor was better overall. The only thing I didn't like about it was the drastic 180 turn to the dark where Cindel loses her entire family despite the last film ending on such a different note. It would've honestly been better overall if her family had died in the first film without the first movie giving us that false sense of optimism of life on Endor. Then again, it can be seen as Lucas doing it purposely to piss of the people who dissed the firs film as being too kiddy by dropping in something darker than they expected. Also fuck you Bordo where's that Ewok banner you promised?
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▶ No.12735
>>12733
The ordering is chronological like in OP's. Is "Bordo" the BO? Wasn't that a character from The Phantom Menace game? I remember when one of the devs released the mod tools for it last year.
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▶ No.12738
>>12724
I would say special effects were equivalent between TFA and TLJ. Lucasfilm knows what they are doing with that stuff so I can’t think of anything wrong with that end of things.
What they were animating looked like shit.
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▶ No.12739>>12744 >>12748 >>12752
>>12720
>why is that?
Because JJ abrams just copypasted and made a new hope type flick but worse.
Rian Johnson can direct and the direction is good, it's just the entire writing that people have an issue with.
The editing, performance, tone, effects and sound effects, sound mixing, cinematography are all better in TLJ.
He also unironically took inspirations from the prequels. Explains the mixed reviews.
TLDR JJ made a movie that he thought people wanted, Rian made the movie he wanted to make
One is more respectable
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▶ No.12744>>12745 >>12752
>>12739
>Rian Johnson can direct and the direction is good,
No. His direction was artless and incompetent
>it's just the entire writing that people have an issue with.
It isn’t just the writing. The entire project is done by a man who believes he is perfect on the first try. The script was shit, the designs were shit, the pacing is shit, the editing is shit, the choreography is terrible.
>The editing, performance, tone, effects and sound effects, sound mixing, cinematography are all better in TLJ.
This is just a declarative statement which is wrong.
How the fuck can you say the editing was good when they edited out the meager amount of grieving Luke did about his best friend Han?
TFA is not a good film, but on things like effects and editing it has parity with TLJ, and as bad as its story is, it’s better than your manlet boyfriend’s work.
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▶ No.12745>>12746 >>16139 >>16246
>>12744
>edited out the meager amount
I'm not talking about what they edited in and out considering they had a 3 hour cut of the film. I mean the editing and transitions present in the actual editing, which the director is present in the room for directing.
TFA's effects were fine but Johnson utilized the effects better.
>his direction was artless and incompetent
Not compared to JJ or Garreth Edwards.
Trust me I hate disneywars in general and was not expecting to enjoy it. TFA is very JJ abrams because they let him direct and it's as soulless as can be that even a manlet like Rian (who is 5'6'' just like Lucas) can make something more compelling.
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▶ No.12746
>>12745
>even a manlet like Rian (who is 5'6'' just like Lucas)
Lucas directed Star Wars. What has Rian ever done?
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▶ No.12748>>12764
>>12739
>performance
I disagree, everyone besides Hammil, and maybe whoever plays Kylo when he's not having a bitchfit was complete trash.
>tone
The film was tone-deaf. That first battle, the one in which the rebels lose all of their bombers, a good chunk of their fighters, and was only "won" by the chink an heroing, was opened by Poe telling a joke. And a cringy, poorly executed one at that. Same goes for the scene immediately following that, where Hux is getting chewed out by Snorkel, and we hear some HILARIOUS badonkadonk noises as he gets thrown around the bridge. In what's supposed to be a rather tense scene where Rey Sue is captured by Snorkel, we get more slapstick as she gets bonked on the head with her lightsaber hilt. Do you see where I'm going with this?
>effects
Meh. Some of the CGI looked kind of nice, but the models themselves were clunkily designed and not much to look at.
>cinematography
I'll admit this wasn't bad.
>Rian made the movie he wanted to make. One is more respectable.
Except the movie Johnson "wanted to make" wasn't an artistically pure, creative vision. Just as JJ shamelessly plagiarized ANH because he (correctly, as it turns out) believed that a blatant nostalgia fest is what people would pay to see, Johnson deliberately went against what he thought people wanted to sate his own ego and get more street cred with the fart-sniffing hipsters. Rey's parentage, for instance, was from a character development lol and writing standpoint more or less resolved in TFA. She was implicitly shown to have moved past worrying about that to focus on the present, and use her Mary Sue powers to save the galaxy. Yet in spite of this, she goes out of her way to try and find out about her parents in TLJ, and it's revealed to her by the mirror-pool-thing and Goth Vader that her parents were a bunch of nobodies. Narratively, there's zero reason for this. So why did Rian do it? Because the people that actually liked TFA were constantly speculating on Rey's parentage, and he wanted to deliberately shit on that because LOL SUBVERSION. Snoke was unceremoniously killed off, despite being one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, and the camera focused on a shot of his corpse with the tongue hanging out afterward. This was done to shit on everyone speculating where the fuck Snokey Doke came from, a legitimate question with writing potential, because LOL SUBVERSION. Leia was killed off in a somewhat tasteful way considering the circumstances. With Carey Fisher being no longer with us and the trend of killing off the rest of the old characters for cheap shock value, this would have been the sensible thing to do. But nope, she turns into Mary Poppins and flies back into the ship without depressurizing the whole thing because LOL SUBVERSION. This list is far from exclusive.
JJ Abrams plagiarized beloved movies to pander to fans and, pass off a very mediocre film as something enjoyable and commercially successful. Johnson paid attention to fan expectations just so he could go against them in a fit of contrarian egotism, because he thought this "subversion" would make him and his film more popular with the people whose opinion 'mattered.' Neither of these is all that respectable, but one is clearly worse than the other.
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▶ No.12752>>15223
>>12744
>No. His direction was artless and incompetent
I can't believe I have to defend that absolute cunt, but his direction was pretty good. There's some really neat stuff in there, the entire final confrontation between Luke and Rylo is beautifully shot, and so are the scenes on the island.
>the editing is shit, the choreography is terrible.
Except it's not. It's not great, but I can't call it shit, either. The choreography was pretty damn good, I can't really see why you think it wasn't.
>>12739
>The editing, performance, tone, effects and sound effects, sound mixing, cinematography are all better in TLJ.
I wouldn't call it "better", but it was different. That's actually a problem if you ask me. I've actually thought about this for a while, let me explain:
For better or worse, JJ made a Star Wars movie (for the most part). There's a template to them, a few dos and donts. For example, Star Wars movies generally don't have things like flashbacks, voice over narration, or inner monologue. They tell their story by plainly showing you what's happening. Then there's other things like the title crawl or old-fashioned wipe transitions. Now, let's take a look at TLJ; flashbacks, no wipe transitions, and I'm pretty sure he would've left out the title crawl if he would have gotten away with it.
There was something terribly off about TFA, but it still sort of felt like Star Wars, just a lesser version of it. TLJ on the other hand didn't feel like Star Wars at all. There was a lot of familiar imagery - Luke, the Falcon, X-Wings, lightsabers, etc. But it all felt horribly out of place.
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▶ No.12753>>12762
I'm going to go out on a limb and say I hate JJ more than Rian which is why I would put TLJ above TFA despite me hating both. TFA was pure nostalgia wank to brainwash normalfags into loving SW unconditionally regardless of how bad the new films actually were. It was like TFA was made in a laboratory using all the most cold and calculating formulas and then having the whole thing be tested by chimps until they got just the right results they wanted from people. It was a cold and soulless film devoid of any originality while deceiving viewers into believing disney gave a shit or that this had any real merit to it. The same can be said for TLJ, but it at least tries to be original. Its awful in every possible way, and it could've worked if it wasn't a star wars film. It was stupid on every ground and has really cringy as fuck dialogue, but at least it doesn't just take a once beloved movie like EPIV then remake it into something derivative, soulless and formulaic with replacement characters that exist solely for audience approval ratings. It butchers the franchise as a whole, but at least its not a total fucking evil clone of a previous film. And as a bonus, it made people stop trusting Disney and its killing the franchise for the normalfags who ruined it. So that's a bonus.
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▶ No.12762
>>12753
Sorry, but that isn't enough. Just as I will never thank the damn fool responsible for the April Fool's Hack, even if he did show the site at large how vulnerable it was. Too much damage done for insufficient gain.
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▶ No.12764>>12765 >>12766
>>12748
>I'll admit this wasn't bad.
Everything in Snoke’s throne room was poorly executed. The set design, Snoke’s wardrobe, the ‘buildup’ to the lightsaber being lit in Snoke’s stomach, the choreography of the fight afterward, the dialogue, the sounds.
I get the impression that types of arguments about the ‘good’ parts of TLJ are just slowly trying to establish a toehold of positive discourse in the fanbase. “Yeah it wasn’t great, but it was BEAUTIFULLY shot” gives way to “It was MORE BEAUTIFUL than ROTJ/ESB/ANH” followed by “It was the MOST BEAUTIFUL.”
This is why shills are also shitting on the prequels lately. This is how liberals attempt to slowly poison discourse, and this is why everything becomes pozzed - they slowly keep moving the line up until pretty soon Luke is drinking alien semen and there is a purple-haired tumblrite on a nondescript, unmemorable ship going to an ugly derivative planet for an anticlimactic lightsaber duel and a deeply unsatisfying ending about characters we don’t care about. You can’t look past any of this to say, “okay, BUT…” The movie is not only bad, it is insulting. And when you see Rian Johnson giggling about this trash fire, this fucking manlet who has no business doing anything related to Star Wars except having a build-a-lightsaber shoved up his ass, you can’t help but judge him even more harshly knowing this fucker is going to shit up even more Star Ward films.
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▶ No.12765
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>>12764
Snoke in a nutshell.
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▶ No.12766
>>12764
I'm in full agreement with everything you've said, particularly the latter. All I mean by "not bad" is "adequate." For the most part, the way the movie was shot does not hurt to look at. The shots are not exceptional. They aren't engrossing or revolutionary. They are merely better than amateur shaky-cam.
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▶ No.12909>>12913
"When you make a movie, you only pray to God that you get this kind of passionate reaction to it," he added. "It's been really cool." -Rian Johnson
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▶ No.12913>>13134
>>12909
>Rian proves himself to be such a shameless egotist and attention whore that even the negative criticism makes his willy hard
I don't think anyone here is surprised by this.
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▶ No.13134>>13136 >>13138
>>12913
Anon I hate to break it to you but any and every single film worth any shit artistically is hated on by people.
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▶ No.13136>>13137
>>13134
That's a non-sequitur. Any given film, artistic or not, is going to receive a certain degree of negative criticism. The fact that so many people hate TLJ doesn't have anything to do with how 'artistic' it is.
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▶ No.13137>>13138 >>13142
>>13136
Any film that is artistic is going to be hated on by people who don't understand the vision if it is infact kinography. Like Revenge of the sith
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▶ No.13138>>13142 >>13156 >>13159 >>13167
>>13137
>>13134
>if something is hated for being shit, its actually good
Disneyfag logic at work.
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▶ No.13142>>13159
>>13138
This.
>>13137
>RotS was hated
Now I know you're full of shit, even normies parroting RLM will call it the best of the prequel films without hesitation.
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▶ No.13149
>>12719
someone once told me that 7 was the best because he knew about soundtrack making.
the soundtrack for 7 is the worst sw score to date.
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▶ No.13152
>>12729
Once you understand the deeper meaning of epII it becomes the greatest episode of them all, the politics, the remarks, and setup shows to me George really tried, a close second would be epI of course.
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▶ No.13156
>>13138
December:
>it’s good because everyone loves it!
January:
>it’s good because it’s controversial!
March:
>it’s good because it generated negstive reaction like all good art does!
Shills are funny.
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▶ No.13159>>13160 >>13161
>>13138
This isn't about disney. I can tell you are only a /co/ /sw/ faggot. You have no business actually critiquing film.
>>13142
You can insert any single prequel in that statement. Most normies hate all the prequels.
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▶ No.13160>>13197
>>13159
Prequels were flawed and deserved criticism for many things, the hate stems mostly from RLM's faggotry. That doesn't automatically mean Disney's films are in any way good. They get hate because of how poorly written and awful they were and how they pretty much shit on everything related to the lore even more than TFA. They're horribly shitty films. Only thing TLJ achieves is being more memorable for how awful it was while TFA will be forgotten in 2 decades because it was just a derivative ripoff of the films that came before it, at least that might be the case if not for all the shipping-obsessed Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren fags.
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▶ No.13161>>13169
>>13159
>/sw/ faggot
Pic related
>only people with my stamp of approval are allowed to critique the film
You're really not very good at fitting in, are you?
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▶ No.13167>>13170
>>13138
Well, people hated faggots and trannies for hundreds of years but look where we're at now, I think most of us can agree that that was all just hokey religious bs and there really was nothing to be afraid of at all.
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▶ No.13169>>13172
>>13161
He must think this is /tv/.
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▶ No.13171
>>13170
Dafuq is that thing?
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▶ No.13172
>>13169
>tfw /tv/ is now the fourth most active board
How could things have gone so wrong?
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▶ No.13197>>13198 >>13199
>>13160
not that guy but my only big gripes with TFA were how they adapted EU threads and made them worse, while also raping han solo and killing him off in a shit way. had they not done those things and forgone the SJW shit it would have been a real decent flick i feel.
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▶ No.13198>>13199
>>13197
I still don't understand how it was possible for them to adapt even the most okay EU material and somehow make it worse, especially when considering how much Disney managed to improve the trainwreck that was Marvel lore (although even that seems to be going under).
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▶ No.13199
>>13197
But if you take those things away, you remove the few things that keep TFA from just being a shiny ANH. Which, admittedly, would be much better than what we got but still creatively bankrupt and worthy of contempt.
>>13198
The difference is Marvel Studios was (at the beginning at least, not sure what's happening now) headed by a genuinely passionate guy that actually wanted the movies to be good. Lucasfilm is headed by a soulless old hag of a diversity hire, who neither knows nor cares about what made Star Wars what it was, and is motivated only by her feminist fantasies and the quarterly reports she makes to Disney, in that order.
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▶ No.13418
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▶ No.13420>>13422
Seems the common consensus across every SW outlet is that V was indeed the best film in the series and VI was not as good IV, but I wonder, if George had instead made the VI into two separate movies as he originally intended, would the VI (and the theoretical true VII) be far more highly regarded?
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▶ No.13422
>>13420
I can understand the people who say V was the best piece of cinematography, but even if I can acknowledge that VI is still my personal favorite far and away. All of that interplay between Luke, Vader, and Sidious is top-tier.
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▶ No.15223>>15225
>>12752
>on the other hand didn't feel like Star Wars at all. There was a lot of familiar imagery - Luke, the Falcon, X-Wings, lightsabers, etc. But it all felt horribly out of place.
People say the same thing about the prequels. It's because johnson has control over the entire film.
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▶ No.15225>>15285 >>15286
>>15223
And who the fuck is he to control a star wars film? He’s an ignorant twat who made two movies no one cared about.
And purple haired cunts, brown mucus aliens, villains in gold, red curtain sets, Target plastic guardswith disappearing knives, and giant brick ships is NOT Star Wars, you fucking shill.
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▶ No.15285>>15286 >>15294
>>15225
>And who the fuck is he to control a star wars film? He’s an ignorant twat who made two movies no one cared about.
You sound pretentious. He is an editor and a writer/director. He was tasked with writing two movies and then just one, but now maybe threee more. Brick is great and TLJ is way better than RO or TFA. And Solo is gonna be even much worse than those, Ron Howard is a fucking hack who has been making some truly shitty films for many many years, maybe people will finally see he is nothing special.
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▶ No.15286>>15290
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>>15285
>>15225
Why is Ron Howard so praised and venerated? I've seen his movies and they're honestly either average or boring. Fucker was more interesting when he was Richie Cunningham and even then he was shit since Fonzie quickly replaced him as the main character.
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▶ No.15290
>>15286
He's basically JJ Abrams before JJ Abrams was relevant. Did a few things people never forgot, has a ridiculous amount of connections and more powerful Hollywood elites to shill for him.
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▶ No.15294>>15303
>>15285
>You sound pretentious. He is an editor and a writer/director.
He’s a hack fraud who makes shit only idiot cinemafaggots would like. As for pretentious, Rian Johnson writes his first drafts in thousand dollar notebooks.
>Brick is great
Brick is shit. “The Pin”
>TLJ is way better than RO or TFA
TLJ is the worst Star Wars film of all. Rian Johnson got every single decision wrong. Only a useless fucking soyeater would think it’s better than anything.
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▶ No.15303>>15314 >>15327
>>15294
>The pin
So you're that crossposting faggot from /tv/ huh?
You have shit taste TLJ is better than Rogue One, TFA combined. Only a useless cuck would think otherwise. Enjoy star wars being raped for good now that the marvel tier fans want GOTG and Rogue one / solo tier shit
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▶ No.15314
>>15303
TLJ is better than Disney's first two SW turds, but that's not saying much. TLJ was pretty much lore rape and the overall quality and writing was overall the place. Even the fight between Luke and Jacen Solo Ben Solo was lackluster as all fucks. Even Marvel's garbage is better than anything SW-related Disney has done. Also why wouldn't we want SW raped and ruined? The more raped it gets and the more money it loses, the sooner Disney will stop raping the corpse of this once beloved franchise and let it rest in peace.
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▶ No.15327>>16115
>>15303
It’s pretty obvious you’re the Rianfaggot who shits up /tv/ all the time. Your taste is shit and Rian is a manlet. Go back to /tv/ you fucking jew and post your ranking lists yet again.
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▶ No.16115>>16121
>>15327
>not one argument
Pretty obvious
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▶ No.16121
>>16115
We’ve had arguments with you where we proved TLJ is shit. You just have such a hard-on for the manlet that you won’t listen.
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▶ No.16139>>16244
>>12745
hahahahahahahah wow that scene/webm is so fucking gimmicky jesus christ. Pure cringe. Is the movie full of visual puns/quirky bullshit like this? Absolutely zero restraint.
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▶ No.16244
>>16139
This post is pure cringe
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▶ No.16246>>16302
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>>12745
> Rian (who is 5'6'' just like Lucas) can make something more compelling.
Surely you jest.
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▶ No.16302>>16308
>>16246
Are you a fucking idiot. Rian is literally like George Lucas making starkino
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▶ No.16308>>16309
>>16302
Lay off the memes kiddo, they're going to fry your brain.
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▶ No.16309>>16311
>>16308
Rian Johnson is an artist
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▶ No.16311
>>16309
Can we all cuck his wife like he cucked star wars?
he can stand around and watch while she guzzles some spacenerd milk
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▶ No.16312>>16314
This isn't /tv/, you obnoxious cunts, and your breed of irony isn't funny. Not when the shills critics hold the exact same opinion.
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▶ No.16314
>>16312
Critics loved rogue one and tfa both which /tv/ considers shit
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