/strek/ - Star Trek ★

this guy's review hits a lot of the points perfectly.

big hollywood liberals want to believe that if you love star trek but don't like the new show, you're clearly some kind of racist sexist bigot. they cannot comprehend that they have failed on a creative level.

>>8291

>complaining about flags of all things

Fuck off flags are allowed end of discussion

OP while I agree with you on how shit and mediocre the show looks. IMO STD does not deserve or merit a new thread or the attention, when a thread about it hits the bump limit of 300. I suggest letting whatever discussion continue on the old thread until it hits 700 or so before creating a new thread about the trainwreck known as STD.

I'm stealing this point from Midnight's Edge, but it really trumps any argument for STD: it wastes 80 minutes of screen time for what should be told in flashbacks during the actual show. STD should have started en medias res with Shanequa being delivered to the Discovery in her prison uniform, maybe with a voice over of one of the characters on the ship (such as Space Cow Saru) telling the captain her rap sheet. It would make shit way more dynamic and to a point, as well as make her character sound more interesting than presented in this 2 parter.

>>8356

>Pleb leddit memia

>Kike cucklasa

>>8356

First they liked TFA, now this…

>>8356

tl;dr for anyone who doesn't want to give them views-

>Rich doesn't think it feels enough like Star Trek

>They like the look of the show (they use the word 'cinematic')

>They think people who complain about how different the show looks in comparison to TOS are stupid because 'TOS doesn't look futuristic anymore'

>Mike says if you pretend it's Kelvin and in the future instead of before TOS, it's okay

>He says, 'You can't make Voyager anymore' to try and explain why STD doesn't feel like Trek

>Mentions of how badly the characters broke the prime directive

>They're okay with how the nuKlingons look although they mention the cultural differences between them and the originals and how the nuKlingons are just JJ's Klingons redone for TV

>They say it's okay for their look to be changed because they were changed before for the first movie and also because all the races in Trek look too similar (in their words)

>Mention of Klingons being weak villains in the pilot because all they care about is killing the Feds

>Rich hates Michael and thinks she's a reckless idiot

>He says that thinks Trek has been too action focused from the TNG movies on and that Discovery feels like more of the same

>Mike says some of it reminds him too much of Enterprise (blue jumpsuits, being another prequel to TOS)

>Mentions of TNG's comfiness in comparsion to STD's uncomfiness

>They call The Orville 'imitation TNG' and make a joke about it having a low RT score

>They say it may not be possible to do a series like TOS or TNG these days because shows with heavy continuity are popular these days

>Mike likes it, Rich dislikes it, they both think it has potential based on the trailers

>>8365

>living in your head

>rent free

>>8385

Man, when did those guys become such fucking cucks? I swear to God just a couple years ago people used to debate if they were crypto-red-pilled. Especially Mike.

>>8396

Mike trying to get an "in" into the industry.

>>8385

half this post is inaccurate. good job?

I always enjoy tealdeer so I'm gonna watch this.

>>8409

>with hair they actually look like Klingons

Well ain't that something.

>>8287 (OP)

>prime directive

Didn't you get the memo? We don't call it that anymore. It's… transphobic or something.

>>8396

Patreon money a.k.a selling your soul to pay for your dinner.

>>8409

So they’re Klingon skinheads.

Damn. Orville is more true to Star Trek than this shit, even if it's a basically a sitcom parody. That's saying something.

>>8409

Holy shit, it's amazing what a small change can accomplish.

>>8420

While I might be inclined to agree, I have an acquaintance who has done special effects work and he pointed out to me that with heavy facial prosthetics comes a loss of conveying emotion in your actors. For Vulcan that wouldn't be a problem, but for Klingons it takes away much of their character.

>>8520

another good reason why the nuklingons are a bad idea.

it is true that the aliens almost always wore the same stuff. I just assumed it was a combination of a uniform plus armor. the klingons in particular always had different forehead ridges, so you could kind of identify families by the shape.

The midichlorians of space travel.

Trekkies btfo by JJ trek, again.

Its Abrams Trek but worse.

It wont make it past 1 season

Great effects though!

>>8604

>>8607

Saw episode 3 and all I could think was "fuck, what a bunch of cunts!" Am I supposed to like any of these people? Who writes this shit and why do they think I will feel anything but dislike for these characters?

>>8634

Just pretend it's the mirror universe.

I have a feeling they'll work Section 31 into it as well.

Since I haven't been watching this, what the fuck happened this week.

>>8640

>Since I haven't been watching this, what the fuck happened this week.

>>8603

That's all, some new alert level when Detroit invades your ship? And what's this shit about midichlorians and warp drive bizarreness?

>>8643

>That's all, some new alert level when Detroit invades your ship? And what's this shit about midichlorians and warp drive bizarreness?

It's all in the proper Discovery thread.

>>8603

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>>8460

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they were going for.

>>8717

>it's not quite Star Trek yet

Three episodes in and it feels even less hopeful and Star Trek than DS9 was during the Dominion War. What they've done with the Klingons is borderline mad. Harry Mudd himself has been grimderped. I want to know what you were on when you watched this shit.

>>8722

Firstly, what was wrong with the Dominion War arc in DS9? That shit was fucking awesome trek. Secondly, was Harry Mudd even in episode 3? I haven't seem him yet at all. And what about the Klingons so far do you think is mad?

>>8728

>Firstly, what was wrong with the Dominion War arc in DS9?

I don’t think he’s saying there’s anything ‘wrong’ with it, just that it was pretty bleak, and this show is as bleak.

>>8721

holy shit I knew the writers were lazy but this is a new dimension of lazy. we are exploring the furthest frontiers of not giving a fuck.

>>8728

>>8731

And what I'm saying is that this show is even bleaker. To say nothing of how the crew seems to hate each other, the Federation seems downright nasty and invasive here. As for the Klingons, putting aside the deranged ideological posturing of the writers, they actually have a reasonable (if violent) position clumsily portrayed in a hostile light, and the main ship featured makes no sense in or out of universe (Klingons building massive tombs? Then grafting it to your ship? 'What?). Overall, I see a trainwreck with some nice special effects.

>Mudd

Didn't he feature in a preview for the next one?

>>8736

>Klingons building massive tombs

This is fucking stupid. The Klingons see a dead body as an empty husk and give it no special honors.

>>8735

"I can operate a keyboard, let me write your new star trek series." "ok."

I feel like I want to vomit.

>>8736

>>8737

It's been stated by the writers that T'Kuvma's ship is a special case. He basically invented a cult around him being the second coming of Kahless so it makes sense that he'd go a bit off the beaten path from normal Klingon ideology. If we see another group of Klingons do the same thing as T'Kuvma with no explanation then I'll call bullshit on that, but so far I don't see the big issue here.

>>8721

As I said, I understand why people have issues with the show, but you're declaring this whole thing to be the worst thing ever when we barely even know the premise, let alone the characters. I'm pretty fucking skeptical of this magic mushroom drive, especially since we already know that this tech is gonna either crash and burn or be hidden by section 31. However lets not act like it's any dumber than time traveling to 20th century by flying really fast around the sun in a bird of prey just to save the fucking whales, or having Westley ruining an entire evacuation of a colony just to stroke his ego only to then be whisked away by some dude we only saw in like one other episode to become space jesus or something, or having the Klingon afterlife and religion actually be real, or having a shitload of different planets with weird monocultures as if an entire species across an entire planet with different areas with different histories just all developed the same culture and phenotype. Seriously, space mushrooms is where you draw the line when all of this shit is canon?

>>8722

I would say that judging any Trek show by just its 3 first episodes is a terrible idea. TNG's first 3 episodes were hot dogshit, DS9's first 3 were okay, Voyager's first 3 were meh, Enterprise's first 3 were shaky at best, and while TOS's original pilot was great the actual first 3 episodes aired were okay at best. Hell, TNG and Enterprise didn't properly become good until a few seasons in. Healthy criticism is fine and all, but coming into a new Trek show with your mind made up that it'll be shit, and then declaring that you were right simply because it isn't the perfect ideal Trek. I'm not going to act like Discovery is guaranteed to be good, because it most certainly isn't, but before acting like any of us can pass final judgement on the show maybe we should wait until the season finishes at the very least.

>>8746

>Healthy criticism is fine and all, but coming into a new Trek show with your mind made up that it'll be shit, and then declaring that you were right simply because it isn't the perfect ideal Trek.

There’s no obligation for me to do anything with this. The show chose diversity pandering, so fuck them. They get no breaks or special cases. I’ve watched zero minutes of it and based on what people have said, it’s fucking retarded and not written by anyone who knew anything about Star Trek.

Be happy you have two fucking threads on this board. This pozzed crap show deserves zero.

>>8749

One female Asian captain and a black woman count as diversity pandering now? I get that Sonequa Martin-Green made a bumfuck retarded claim in one interview, but come on. It's Star Trek, diversity is to be expected.

>>8751

Nigger please. It’s every interview and every promo.

>>8749

>>8746

Also

>Healthy criticism is fine and all, but coming into a new Trek show with your mind made up that it'll be shit, and then declaring that you were right simply because it isn't the perfect ideal Trek.

Shit I meant to add "isn't going to yield any kind of fair or legitimate criticism." to the end of that sentence.

>>8753

Oh please, that's hyperbole and you know it.

>>8736

>the Federation seems downright nasty and invasive here.

Not at all. They were on their side of the border. When they tell this to the klingon captain, he says, that's too close and insists that the Feds should back up. He's got no standing to say that.

>>8749

>I’ve watched zero minutes of it

So your opinion is worthless.

>>8753

The promo material was insulting SJW bullshit. The show, so far, hasn't lived down to that.

>>8761

>So your opinion is worthless.

The show is worthless. Anyone who watches it is a faggot who is supporting antifa.

>>8746

> However lets not act like it's any dumber than time traveling to 20th century by flying really fast around the sun in a bird of prey just to save the fucking whales

You mean a goofy idea for an intentionally light Star Trek movie?

ST:D wants to be le dark gritty reelism. If it wants to be ‘real’ and ‘gritty’, then you can’t have Abraham Lincoln floating in space anymore.

>>8746

>TNG's first 3 episodes were hot dogshit, DS9's first 3 were okay, Voyager's first 3 were meh, Enterprise's first 3 were shaky at best, and while TOS's original pilot was great the actual first 3 episodes aired were okay at best.

So you honestly think that the first 3 eipsodes of STD are as bad as the first 3 episodes in all the other sereis and that STD is actually comparable to them in tone and theme? Encounter at Farpoint was a great first 2 episodes of TNG, its were we first meet Q and all the crew, yeah it wasn't the highpoint of the sereis, but right from the first second it feels like Star Trek. You think it is "hot dogshit"? Why do you attack TNG like that and defend STD? You didn't like the first 3 episodes, so why try to justify watching the rest of it by retrospectively criticising the rest of the franchise? Do I really have to point out the fallacy in that line of thinking?

The first episodes of DS9 were also fantastic and nothing like STD, it set up a great setting, got the feel for the show of delving deeper into the trek lore and world building aspects, they were philosophical, moral, and had all the sci-fi quirks thrown in - absolutley nothing like STD in the slightest.

Yeah, "the first 3 episodes" of any trek sereis were not the best of it all (even though they were pretty good) but they all felt authentically star trek which STD just simply doesn't have. Also you keep talking about canon but there is no canon in Star Trek, Roddenberry pretty much said himself, and do you notice all the examples you give of other silly things are all social/circumstantial things whilst the space mushroom thing is literally just retarded and lazy writing. Nobody gives a fuck if Wesley gets dropped from the show in some silly way, nobody cares if a planet is monoculture, whats wrong with that? They are an alien species. Specify what planet you mean, chances are its not as bad or obvious you are making out. How can you have canon in a show like TOS? It hardly makes any sense, but its the tone, the feel, the themes, that make something Star Trek. I can look past a lot of stupid mistakes and continuity errors if the core message is there and it still gives me those trek vibes, but if it doesn't have that, then every stupid mistake and continuity error simply pile up on top of the already shit "not"-trek show. Its even the same in the books and comics.

>>8779

>>8779

>The first episodes of DS9 were also fantastic and nothing like STD, it set up a great setting, got the feel for the show of delving deeper into the trek lore and world building aspects, they were philosophical, moral, and had all the sci-fi quirks thrown in - absolutley nothing like STD in the slightest.

While I haven't seen STD, The first season of DS9 was on par with Voyager, maybe not quite as good, but close.

>Yeah, "the first 3 episodes" of any trek sereis were not the best of it all (even though they were pretty good) but they all felt authentically star trek

I agree with you there. Glad I'm too much of a poorfag for CBS anal access, and too apathetic to torrent STD.

>>8781

>The first season of DS9 was on par with Voyager, maybe not quite as good, but close.

Voyager is shit lad, DS9 is the fuckin bollocks.

>>8782

>Voyager is shit lad

Agreed, and the first season of DS9 is shit as well. Some episodes are downright painful to watch.

>>8798

in other words, standard leftist behavior.

saw it with gamergate, saw it with marvel comics, see it in every venue and medium they invade.

they are not fans, they are just thirsty for more koolaid.

>>8801

It’s a form of gaslighting.

>What are you mad about?! The first episodes of any Star Trek are ALWAYS shit!

>What are you talking about? There was ONE interview where they talked about diversity.

They know they’re full of shit, but the point is that by disagreeing up front they can prevent admitting it.

They also like to draw false equivalences. Encounter at Far Point is apparently as bad as the shitshow of Ciscovery, even though it has the most iconic Q image in the series and things like the Trial were reused in All Good Things. Deep Space 9’s pilot has Wolf 359 in it, and a frosty interaction between Picard and Sisko. That was an awesome scene.

But no, they were shit, because to a sperm drinker who parachuted into Trek a week ago after he heard fags would kiss on this one, they were like awful and stuff.

>>8769

>but i'm sure many were profoundly disappointed with the way it ruined what could have been a respectable trilogy of films

Wait, what? I thought it was a fun comedy growing up, and just as fun when I got older. Sure the time travel method and plot were doofy even for Star Trek, but I thought those were just an excuse anyway.

>>8783

Parts of S1 were painful. Emissary, any episode with Dukat, Duet, and the final episodes were all gold.

>>8818

>Implying any episode with Dukat would be bad.

>>8746

> However lets not act like it's any dumber than time traveling to 20th century by flying really fast around the sun in a bird of prey just to save the fucking whales

No, no it MUCH dumber. Time travel was an established phenomenon going all the way back to the original series. I don't like the use of time travel as a plot mechanic in any media not specifically built around because it ends up causing too many problems. That aside though it fits relatively well with the framework of the show.

The shroom drive on the other hand doesn't even feel like it belongs in the same franchise. It would be more at home in Farscape than in Star Trek. Hell the way they describe the way it works makes it sound more like a super charged version of Warhammer's Webway than anything else. It would feel out of place if the show took place 2 or 3 hundred years after Voyager but for this to be a prequel show to the original Trek is ludicrous.

If they needed some kind of super warp why didn't they just make a Traveler part of the crew or if they wanted to make it dark and gritty have a captive and drugged up Traveler plugged into the warp drive.

>>8847

>>8874

May have shit taste, but I'm pretty sure they're saying that "any episode with Dukat" is good.

I think DS9 season 1 was awkward at worst, although "Move Along Home" was generally pointless, and seeing chirpy cheerful Bashir is not nearly as good as later Bashir after he calmed down and then turned out to be Khan except actually more interesting and just thinking about all of this makes me love DS9 even more.

It's also weird to realize that DS9's premiere is the best in the entire franchise, and yet DS9 barely gets any credit, except in some of the fandom.

>>8878

>DS9's premiere is the best in the entire franchise

Sisko's instrumentality is lame as fuck. The only thing the premiere had going for it was the two seconds of Wolf 359. I'll take Encounter at Farpoint any day.

>>8880

What, no joy for Sisko frostily meeting Picard?

>>8882

No. Sisko should have bowed down to the awesomeness that is Jean-Luc Picard. Picard is one of the finest men ever conceived. Sisko should have dropped to his knees and begged to wash Picard's balls with a warm wet rag. That shitskin has no idea what Picard went through, and how hard the experience was for him. Sisko acts like Picard deliberately killed his wife as some kind of personal attack.

Maybe I expect too much from a fucking talking gorilla.

>>8883

Lemme ask you a blunt question: How well would you take what happened to Sisko?

>>8880

The nadir of the episode is Sisko going "aow," but for me, "every time I close my eyes I see her" gives him a startling amount of emotional resonance, it's surprisingly brutal, especially for a premiere, but sets up characterization in an emotional way far better than every single other Trek premiere combined. It also does a great job of introducing the other characters and the series-long situation they'll be in, though in a way the real premiere of the show is when they introduce the Jem'hadar and the Defiant, then it's like the real show starts.

Plus Sisko is the best captain, so there's that too.

>>8878

>but I'm pretty sure they're saying that "any episode with Dukat" is good.

Then why did he compare such episodes to worthless gold

>>8805

I was saying "just give it a chance! It might get better!" a week ago but then I forgot it was on and now I don't care anymore. If you guys start having arguments about whether an episode is *actually* good, and not as an obvious joke, maybe I'll bother to torrent. How's CBS All Assrape doing, great numbers Im sure?

>>8884

Not well, but I wouldn't place all the blame on Picard like he did. It's not like he doesn't know how the borg work. It's not like he's never heard all the other awesome things Picard did. At Wolf 359 Picard was just a tool of the borg. If Sisko should hate anybody it should be the borg, not Picard specifically. Maybe his thin simian cortex can't think that deeply. Now that I think about it, it's definitely too deep for him. It took him waaaaaaay too long to figure out instrumentality, and it also took way too long for the orb to figure him out. Don't get me started about how it was so one way. There was no back and forth. It was just an alien asking, "What is x? What is y?" like a fucking bored five year old.

>embed related

>>8722

Harry Mudd himself has been grimderped

WHAT!?!!??!

HOW?

>>8888

>At Wolf 359 Picard was just a tool of the borg. If Sisko should hate anybody it should be the borg, not Picard specifically.

Why should Sisko think Picard isn’t still a borg on some level? Picard certainly had nightmares about having nanoprobes within him, and he could ‘hear’ the borg.

>>8907

It doesn't help that Picard-as-Locutus broadcasted himself to them right before the battle started. He gave the enemy a face. And while Sisko knows that it wasn't Picard's fault, the man is still wearing the face of his wife's (and crewmates) killer. It may not be excusable conduct as a Starfleet officer, but it is understandable.

>best Trek-dad despite being black

And he only "left" because a bunch of cosmic gods forced him to. Plus, he plans on actually returning when he can.

Also, he has one of my favorite Trek monologues.

>>8885

>Plus Sisko is the best captain, so there's that too.

Just realized that it took science fiction to have a black father raising his son.

<Hows about them apples avery

>>8911

>And he only "left" because a bunch of cosmic gods forced him to. Plus, he plans on actually returning when he can.

Exactly. It took nothing short of an entire war, a full cult of other-dimensional space gods, and a planet full of their followers to pull Sisko away from his son, and only for a short while. Even at that, he was only really convinced because he found out he was a half-Prophet demigod, if it weren't for that fact he probably would have told the Prophets to pound sand. No other father in Starfleet (or the Alpha Quadrant, for that matter) could claim the same level of dedication to their family.

>>8912

Kek

>>8912

It’s no longer science fiction, it’s high fantasy.

>>8912

>>8972

Sisko is an Orc?

>>9504

Thats not warp travel. Thats more akin to stargate warp. Which is basically using another dimension to hop in space. that technology was in deep space voyager as super advanced warp tech they couldn't get to work on voyagers ship.

How much more fucking with the lore can you get?

Is STD your daily dose of cancer?

>>9504

Something about those jump sound effects seems overdone.

>>9517

/tv/ is my daily dose of cancer.

>>8907

You can understand why they sent this guy to handle an insignificant police action of clearing Baku off of a frontier planet (yes, the planet did possess a fountain of youth; however, it wasn't intended for any strategic purpose, but just as a handoff from Party A to Party B), when the Dominion War was in full blast.

>>9588

>Battle of the Binary Stars sounds like a stupid name. The star system should have a more clinical name, akin to Wolf 359

The title sounds "epic" but you don't even get to see the binary stars the few shots of the battle were so boring.

>What caused me to like the series was a conversation on a shuttle where they gave one of the characters basically a long monologue. Yeah it was the annoying faggot, but I appreciated the way they let him talk for almost an awkwardly long time, like you think he's finished at one point and then he keeps on going.

I still don't like the show but that part was the only interesting scene from the whole show so far because you finally learn something about a character and it's not another character talking about him saying that he "is the smartest person and he's tough".

>>9588

If he hadn't mentioned Starfleet I doubt I would have known it was Trek.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/StarTrekDiscovery Even TVT is having a hard time defending this crap.

>>9588

>What caused me to like the series was a conversation on a shuttle where they gave one of the characters basically a long monologue. Yeah it was the annoying faggot

The selling point of this series is listening to a faggot talk for a long time?

>>9589

Somewhat unfair. The planet had the special eternal life gas that could be used to propel medical tech forward centuries, and the Son’a were willing to share the tech. That would have massive benefits in the Dominion War and beyond. And Picard was only sent because Data had gone berserk.

>>9588

The fucking star system of The Battle of the Binary Stars is probably Regulus. The cherry on top of all the other heavily militaristic occultism. this shit show has to offer.

The last scene of this episode is literally AIDS. We find out that Lt. Faggy Stamets is in a butt relationship with the ship's doctor. The doctor looks straight out of a Mass Effect game btw.

I've said this in the /tv/ thread for STD, and I'll say it again. I knew Ripper was a symbolic representation of Michael in episode 4. Now in Ep 5 they blatantly go beyond any subtlety.

>Episode begins with Michael having a dream

>She's in the spore drive tank and operating the console

>Later in the episode she creates a magic mojo spray that makes people capable of using themselves to navigate with the spore drive

>>9675

this spore drive shit is still the worst idea ever.

antimatter and fusion engines are based on real science. magic spores that connect the whole galaxy is star wars levels of fantasy bullshit and has no place in a real science fiction property.

>>9673

I had a roommate in college that loved that movie. He always insisted he wasn't gay, and I never believed him.

>>9678

>magic spores that connect the whole galaxy is star wars levels of fantasy bullshit and has no place in a real science fiction property

It's worse; midichlorians were at least a biological component to Force use, if you had a lot of them you could probably perform ESP/telekinesis-type stuff. It's wasn't some intergalactic web of shit floating around in hyperspace, it was some sort of symbiont or mutation internal to a person.

Biological shit has a certain (usually low) energy storage capacity. It's not appropriate for any kind of space propulsion, it takes a lot of industrial/intellectual effort or millions of years (for bio-diesel to gasoline/coal, respectively) to get a biological product that can move a car. Basically having some slug's shit be able to create a whole-ship teleportation effect (as long as you use the SPINNING TRICK) to anywhere in Euclidean geometric space in an instant is risible. At the very least the energy required to do that would likely create a new lower vacuum state, and the whole universe would be destroyed after several billion years due to the vacuum decay wavefront wiping out everything around it at the speed of light.

>>9668

>The last scene of this episode is literally AIDS. We find out that Lt. Faggy Stamets is in a butt relationship with the ship's doctor. The doctor looks straight out of a Mass Effect game btw.

The funny part is how uncomfortable the actors are in that scene. They're just as impersonal toward each other when they are alone as when they are when talking to any other characters. It's clear that there was a "no affection" stipulation that they demanded because while they're all for the fag politics, when it comes to playing any of that shit out they get queasy. People used to make crappy jokes about "the gay agenda" but when you see these two hating this aspect of their roles, how can it be described as anything else?

>>9516

I hate everything about the Spore Drive. Trek has always had plenty of technobabble, but what irks me is that the writers don't even try to have the Spore Drive make sense.

However, it's mentioned in episode 5 here that there's a "mycelial network" in subspace, which I can begrudgingly accept. Subspace has never really made sense either, but isn't this the first time we've ever seen successful travel though subspace? Most of the time, people get lost in it.

>>9692

>Does this belong in Star Trek?

That's fine cadet, I'll be fucking a faggot by the end of the episode…

I will never get over their magic space travel spores.

>>9673

That movie was kind of a good condemnation of rave fags and bipolar people.

>>9692

I'm not joking and this isn't typical anonymous message board hyperbole - When you get past the budget and FX, I wonder if this isn't the worst show that's ever been made…

>>9692

You can see how the writers were proud of it, the other characters had to act like they've never heard of that word before.

Is there any mention to a war going on in CIScovery?

>>9704

https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/10/star-trek-discovery-update-season-2-looking-more-likely-kurtzman-confirms-big-spoiler-and-more/

>>9733

Pike on that list makes no sense.

>>9668

Of the relationships seen so far there's a Klingon female who cucked the albino Klingon, in addition to having an interspecial relationship with a human prisoner. Now the only human-human relationship is an interracial, same-sex couple. And also alluded to was another same-sex relationship between Lt. Stamets and the dead scientist who discovered the tardigrade. How did this race even perpetuate itself to the 2300s?

>>9692

The fact that it's still regarded as taboo (going by their reactions) is refreshing, I guess.

>>9764

Fair enough but a pretty bland twist, if true.

I can overlook the pandering, I guess more fundamentally the problem is that there's nothing to root for here, no one to care about, no central underlying quest. The only characters worth rooting for are Saru and the captain. But they're both supporting cast. Michael Burnham doesn't appear to have any likeable character traits, she's like this personality-less test-tube liberal wet dream of an analytically-minded black woman, whereas she seems to have some kind of mixed race Elliot Roger thing going on when it comes to her interpersonal relationships. You don't involuntarily root for shitty people just because they had some clever insights and exhibit scientific curiosity.

>>8746

>It's been stated by the writers that T'Kuvma's ship is a special case.

So translation: They had no fucking idea what they were talking about, Star trek fans called them out on it, so they stated 'oh, well these guys are different.'

>>9802

They always double down. You know that.

>>9802

>>9724

>We’re more than hopeful that they’ll be ordering a second season very soon

It's fucking nothing. They haven't ordered new episodes yet. And if they do it'll be through Nick Meyer.

>>9802

lil whiteboi gonna get BLACKED

>>9808

Maybe in the the mirror universe commander sass will be a competent officer who engages klingons in peaceful diplomacy instead of murdering them and putting bombs in their corpses

>>9764

>The interspecial relationship with the human prisoner IS the albino Klingon, he's been genetically or surgically altered and assumed the identity of a lost Starfleet officer so that he can befriend Lorca and infiltrate Discovery, or did you really think the Klingons were so incompetent as to allow them to escape so easily?

Wait, really? How do you know that?

>>9830

It does make sense when you think about it.

Its not like you can expect a prisoner who has been starved on and off for 7 months and have gotten regularly beaten within an inch of his life in this time, to just suddenly stand up, over power a klingon soldier and snap the soldiers neck like its nothing.

If the guy wasn't a surgically altered klingon agent, then how the fuck did he do that? I mean, wouldn't you expect that klingon soldier to be far more fit and capable in hand to hand combat than a random malnurished starfleet officer?

>>9872

So he's Romulan, or is Spock not the first Vulcan in Starfleet now?

When we said first Vulcan, we meant first white Vulcan, cause obviously black doesn't count

>>9873

>white

You mean Jewish Vulcan.

>>9875

>You mean Jewish Vulcan.

Touche

>>9873

I'm told that Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet was never canon--the idea comes from some of the early Trek novels.

Besides, T'Pol joined Starfleet in season 4 of Enterprise.

>>9873

inb4 this >>9872 is [current stardate] Spock.

>forgot that there was a new Star Trek

>celebrate, smoke a few bowls to relax and enjoy my time alone

>camera pans too much, and too erratically

>I get too dizzy to focus on anything and give up

>>9879

Bullshit

>>9879

>Spock first Vulcan in Starfleet

>There were Vulcan crewed Starfleet ships before Spock

Maybe the first Vulcan to join a Starfleet human crew perhaps.

The Discovery is a compartmentalized group in Starfleet working on faster than faster than light technology. It works by spinning the disc of the ship.

Why am I seeing a UFO/government black program metaphor?

>>10114

>Not only that, but the shaking of the camera and the look of everything makes it look like a fan film

There were multiple references to nuBSG in that episode, and nuBSG used the hand held camera technique to create the point of view of a combat journalist. While nuBSG used digital cameras, they added a fake grain layer trying to emulate 16mm combat journalist footage style to the show.

>someone mentions this show to me

>suddenly get sudden urge to take a shit

>run to toilet and take an explosive crap

Who knew STD was the perfect laxative?

>>10201

STD

>A holodeck on the Discovery

>>10231

wew

>>10235

The size of the moon looks too close to Vulcan.

Is Lorca a broken man? Or is that SJW projection?

>>10237

>Is Lorca a broken man?

I was half expecting him to be luring the Admiral into a trap to kill her off before she reported back to command that he's a nutjob.

I suspect the accident with his eyes give him some sort of short range psychic sight ability through the spore network

>>10235

I guess that is where spock watched vulcan get destroyed.

This really does sound like just a distaff of Star Trek, like a reboot with some of the same shit but no continuity to the old series.

>>10241

How the fuck does nuVulcan logic even work?

<We will only accept 1 non vulcan into the vulcan fleet no matter how good their scores are

<I will blow myself up to kill this guy because he might talk down some klingons

<I don't want you to know how ashamed I am

All this shit sounds suspiciously like its based more on emotions than cold hard logic…

>Logic extremists

It doesn't make any sense but somehow it reminds me of the shit that the progressives call our current year: a "post-truth" world.

Are they supposed to be the Syrrannites?I don't remember them being violent in ENT.

>It's a Michael is smarter than every vulcan episode

They really have to stop writing their episodes backwards ("Michael is awesome and stronk. The End. Now let's rewrite everything to fit that ending").

STD HAS BEEN RENEWED FOR A SECOND SEASON

>>10260

I wouldn't worry until CBS All Access becomes a success.

>>10260

Who even watches this shit?

>>10254

Yet it requires the old series to understand.

>>10252

Do not try to rationalize JJ's terrible movie. The Enterprise was moving at warp whatever for at least 30 seconds. This means that the moon Nimoy Spock was on could not have been a moon of Vulcan. It is just bad writing and direction because he wanted the emotional pull of seeing the planet destroyed. JJ then pulled the same god awful stunt in Star Wars Episode 7 when the Starkiller base fired and destroyed those multiple planets. Somehow they were suddenly visible on the not-Yoda planet.

>>10260

AIDS for another year.

>>10276

These must be the True Fans who will rally around the show.

>>10282

>I'm going to assume Vulcan's moon was an homage to "Yesteryear" from TAS.

VULCAN HAS NO MOON YOU RETARDED SHILL

>>10287

Fine, "sister planet".

>>10282

Not exactly a lot of competition;

Schizo, Abe Sapien but shit, giggly twit, doctor, borderline-crazy-but-not-really-mad scientist (who's probably going to turn into an Elachi) and Klingon Infiltrator,

>>10300

Because lemmings don't think, dubsman.

>>9942

>watching Star Trek: Diversity for enoyment

Unless you mean to laugh at it drugs have already destroyed you beyond repair. In that case fucking kill yourself

>>10260

How and why?

>>10347

Nah. This is current year + 2. They’ll stubbornly double down.

>>10349

>the trailer or the pilot?

The trailer from last may or june.

>I just don't think they're going to scrap the sets and digital assets after one season.

True, building sets isn't cheap but maybe they went back to Fuller's initial idea of an anthology (one story and cast per season). When you look at what they've done so far, most of the action takes place aboard the Discovery and a couple of scenes in the klingon ship. We'll have to wait for the second part in january to find out if they've done some heavy changes.

TBH for a serialized show it doesn't really look good, 5 episodes in and still no story and little to no character development for the crew (excepted Michael, Lorca and Gay Officer).

I hope that Midnight's Edge will get some infos from their insiders.

>>>/pol/10797916

STAR TREK DISCOVERY possibly (probably) guilty of plagiarizing an indie developer

>>10355

Why does this not surprise me?

>>10355

>eeeevil sexist gamergators attempt to honeypot virtue-pure STD writers in the future of right now

Can't believe I sat another episode of this abortion.

>Did they seriously talk about Vulcans and humans as equals? Vulcans live like 300 years, are twice as strong as humans, possess telepathy, have a unique logic-based culture, and have been warp-capable a lot longer. They are literally different species. Since when did this human me-too-ism become a thing in Trek?

>This Vulcans as ebul racists thing where the academy admissions officer said Spock or Michael, not both. I suppose this is something carried over from 2009 Star Trek. This seems like something Vulcans wouldn't make such a fuss about.

>A much better idea for Cornwell's visit to Discovery would've been for Lorca to get her a little drunk -- NOT to facilitate fornication but to start to ask her about how the Klingons knew that he would be en route from her ship to Discovery on the day when he was captured. And why she's been antagonizing him since even before his capture. Is she colluding with the Klingons to achieve her own goals? I think that would've worked better than the "it's a trap" thing they pulled at the end. Also, I guess that they aren't going to answer the question about how the Klingons knew about Lorca's trip. In a better series, that would be a critical plot point moving forward, rather than, Is Sarek raycis?

I was surprised that the next episode looks actually promising. It's an actual sci-fi adventure story, according to the promo.

>>10203

That explains why air comes out when I pee now

>>10383

I can't figure out if I would bang the Admiral or not. I definitely would if I was on a military vessel for months at a time. But if I had options?

>>10258

>How the fuck does nuVulcan logic even work?

To be fair, it is perfectly logical not to want niggers involved in anything in your society.

>>10260

>We're going to keep it going to fight the hatred of Drumpf and his pack of nazi gamergators.

I find it funny that Vulcans are now becoming the next villain race in the show. By the end of the series every species will be raycis except for humans.

>>10512

Seemed interesting in the pilot how the Klingons wanted ethnic solidarity as reaction against UFP rainbow coalitionism. But ever since that time, they've never revisited those themes.

We're not seeing a whole lot about diversity from UFP's end. Aside from Saru, all of the UFP main cast are humans. The series has never taken the time to explore diversity (whether from a liberal or conservative angle) and its effects on UFP organization. Likewise, from the Klingon side, there's been no discussion of T'Kuvma's original impetus for antagonism against UFP, that UFP will assimilate you and dilute your cultural distinctiveness and right of a people to decide its own future. It's as though they lost track of why they entered into war. I guess you could say that happens in real war. But the problem here is that, if the Klingons are divided and lacking in an ideological reason for war, then their reason for continuing to fight becomes unclear. There's T'Kuvma's martyrdom but he wasn't all that important at the time of death, he gave a speech and then all the Houses showed up and then he was killed in the ensuing hostilities.

I'm also dissatisfied with the depiction of the war. All they really say about it is, now that we have the jump drive, we're btfo'ing the Klingons, like the entire focus of war is a new technology. Ok I know that DS9 was no Romance of the Three Kingdoms but DS9 at least depicted war as a steady, long-term effort of three steps forward and two steps back --- where the strategic gains include seemingly mundane stuff such as taking out a mining facility used to extract a mineral used in Dominion clone-soldier chemical feed. But the Dominion begins producing Alpha-Quadrant native soldiers. You lose a critical space station but place a minefield around the wormhole. You initiate war with the Klingons in order to rescue the Cardassian government in exile and later stage the assassination of a Romulan senator in order to gain an ally. A lot of the time too they were dealing with spies and informants planted in order to fuel internal strife; and the Federation later conspired also with Dominion dissidents. Technology was relevant at times but it wasn't the focus. Dominion weapons and shields were hugely superior at the earliest encounter, but the difference was later narrowed a great deal.

I can't tell now if they're using Vulcans as some kind of proxy for (the standard liberal perception of) white supremacists. It's a little confusing since I thought the Klingons were supposed to be Klingon supremacists, according to T'Kuvma. But there doesn't appear to be a moral brigade focused on having non-Klingons accepted as Klingon and to attend Klingon flight academy and be treated as "equals" with Klingons. Vulcans being part of the Federation seems problematic, it looks like life would be easier for the Vulcans if they abandoned the Federation and adopted a more Klingon-like path ‒ like as soon as you join the Federation then suddenly all these nogs are trying to get into your schools and insisting on "equality" even though they don't have telepathy, super-strength, 300-year life spans, or Pon Farr. And the dissident Vulcans who are the ones freaking out about Federation influence, and why in the hell Vulcans are suddenly at war with Klingons, due to some human blunder, are the bad guys.

>>10516

It could be that the pilot is the result of work that Bryan Fuller put in and his replacements ignored his ideas but could not change the pilot. I think they were already filming when Fuller left.

>>10512

>By the end of the series every species will be raycis except for humans

Wasn't Captain Lorca supposed to be the 'evil racist straight white male' of the show?

>>10512

>To be fair, it is perfectly logical not to want niggers involved in anything in your society.

This gave me a quiet chuckle.

For no reason at all Burnham somehow is able to start detecting the repetitions caused by Mudd. The only good part is the ending where Mudd gets off scot free.

>>10675

Also, we have seen how young people in the Federation conduct themselves in regards to getting a mate. It is exactly the same as the current year + 2. This probably explains why Earth, aka Starfleet, loves the Federation; they have a negative birthrate. They need more bodies to man the starships so that the politicians have territory to rule. Notice how the "evil" dealer seems to be much more of a traditional guy? He married off his daughter and even takes care of Harry Mudd with the knowledge that he is a con man.

>>10675

Yeah, the only explanation could be there's a deleted scene where she either gets a space bear DNA injection, or swallows Lt. Faggot's load enough times that it combines with her own enough to pull her out of the time stream. People criticize Trek for lapses in inter-episode continuity, Discovery said fuck it and threw it out mid-episode. Teach Burnham to dance, send it back in time to boogey woogey with hot space dude, get him to spill the beans on Mudd, and convince him to help. Then what the fuck, just let Mudd off at the hook at the end to cap of the shit show.

>>10677

The ending was bad because Mudd would have went to prison. They tried to make it like a TOS ending where everything ends well. Where is the panel of shadow judges to sentence Mudd to 30 years of slave labor?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/theater/kevin-spacey-gay-anthony-rapp.html

Kevin Spacey raped Anthony Rapp (Lt. Stamets) in 1986

>Kevin Spacey, a two-time Oscar winner, apologized Sunday night for what he said “would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior” after the actor Anthony Rapp made an accusation about his sexual conduct with him 31 years ago, when Mr. Rapp was 14 years old.

>Mr. Spacey, who has long been fiercely private about his personal life, said in a statement that he did not remember any such encounter, but added that Mr. Rapp’s accusation “has encouraged me to address other things about my life.” He then disclosed that he had “loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man.”

So you could say there was a Discovery about this Star? What a Trek!

Spacey, the final Frontier!

>>10706

Too bad this series doesn't take place in the Kelvin timeline.

>>10704

What a fucking disgusting way of deflecting his molestation of a kid.

>>10709

it'll probably work tho, because gays are yet another leftist purse puppy.

they don't want to stop child abuse.

>>10704

>"Sexual accusation"

Classic NYTimes… it's a rape accusation, not an accusation of sex. He was 14 at the time.

Pretty sure this weeks party episode with Harry Mudd is the first episode that actually had some straightness in it. Michael the woman kissed a man and danced with two men. Although her dance instructor was the fag spore drive component. It was still the most hetero episode yet. Maybe if we continue to complain, they will make this show better.

>>10718

>watching this shit

What’s wrong with you?

>>10719

Someone has to scout the enemy, anon.

>>10718

>some straightness in it

>the most hetero episode yet

<Gay Officer is the key to all of this

>>10726

Even though I come here every day I keep forgetting this show exists

>>10730

>I keep forgetting this show exists

You lucku bastard.

>>10734

So, did you spoil these gripings because you knew they had little to do with your post? Or this topic?

>>10734

Michael Burnham basically admits to being a virgin unless she got

VULCANED

She says she has never been in love.

>>10726

I wish Janeway looked like that.

>>10746

No wonder she's so angry all the time. She needs an oildrill.

>>10746

Given that Vulcans turn into violent rape machines every seven years or so, I can't imagine a puny, weak human being able to resist the Pon'far.

Speaking of time, shouldn't Spock have already joined Starfleet by the time Burnie got her diploma?

>>10750

>Spock

Yes and it is also curious how Burnham never mentions her Vulcan "brother".

>>10750

I don't think she'd get Pon'far since she's…you know, human raised by autistic aliens. Then again if you meant said autistic aliens creampied her several times over the years, that would be a bit more possible given the circumstances.

>>10754

Possible, but unlikely. If she'd gotten Pon'far'd over the years, she'd be a lot more even-tempered and submissive.

>>10758

Congratulations; in a roundabout way, you are responsible for the Federation-Klingon War!

>>10758

I forget, how did T'Pol get over her Pon'far?

>>10799

Those are some Big Breasts

>>10760

Still the lesser of two evils.

>>8385

…..Did you watch the fucking video?

>>10812

the problem is he watched the video but he has no idea what their review style is like. and he is clearly also very asspained by STD being such an utter failure (understandable) that anyone not foaming at the mouth in rage is considered an apologist.

>>10815

>has no idea what their review style is like

I'm actually a fan of theirs, despite disagreeing with them on some things. I'll admit that I may have more extreme opinions than them on STD and that maybe I was too harsh on theirs, but I don't consider them apologists and I don't believe that anyone not 'foaming at the mouth in rage' is one.

>>10811

>All females look better with bigger tits.

FTFY

>>10762

T'Pol's pon farr was prematurely induced by a microbial infection. Phlox cured her and it went away. Mirror T'Pol banged Trip.

STD infects Avatar knockoff planet this week.

>>10990

The James Cameron one.

>>11081

With that haircut? I'm fine with O'hara but I don't need (((diversity))) shoved in my face.

>>11085

*Uhura

>>11085

It raises questions since humans in trek have always been mainly american, european or asian.

I always figured the middle east and africa got nuked off the planet in the eugenics war.

>>11087

>implying they are even vaguely paying attention to the integrity of the previous canon

>>11089

>Implying previous shows have never played it fast and lose with established canon, especially when it's established by TOS.

>>11091

Not nearly as much as this show, and in such a short period of time.

>>11063

she looks like an Orc from Skyrim. It is the haircut.

>>11094

Everything she said went right in one ear and then out the other. I had to play this three times in a row to understand what the fuck she was saying, it's like she has a marble or some gum in her mouth or something.

>>11094

so we are now officially shitting on canon and saying they can cloak before they should be able to.

>>11094

>Those jump cuts in the ADR

>to make her problems go away she takes the blue pill

>>11112

They've been doing that since the first episode.

>>11094

I like how they had to cut the shots several times to give some energy to the bad line delivery.

>>11094

Wtf is he saying? Mawashicum? Is that meant to be a name?

>>9668

>Lt. Faggy Stamets

That is a very nerdy mycology reference. Is that the character's actual last name?

>>10350

They always double down.

>>10451

post pics.

>>11097

Are you fucking shitting me? That the most stilted robot line read I've ever heard. That's beyond cardboard. I've gotten more fluid line reads from a speak and spell.

>>11135

Her name is spelled 'Owosekum.' He's pronouncing it 'Oh-whoah-she-cum,' but he's really de-emphasizing the m at the end.

So the plot of the entire episode is that klingons have cloaking devices, somehow, and to detect them Starfleet want's a convicted mutineer who has been pressganged into service and is currently working on their mushroom drive, to go to a planet they have never visited before if they had they'd known about the locals who seek them out within an hour or two of landing yet they somehow know about the planets peculiar biology where everything makes noise and the locals have a giant crystal radio transmitter.

Not sure how a radio signal is going to uncloak ships or why they need the locals transmitter to send that signal instead of just sending that signal from their own ships, how they could have missed the locals the fuckers not only sought them out immediately but have houses, how the fuck do you miss that in a basic orbital survey?

How does this series keep getting dumber by the episode?

>>11150

>Klingons have cloaks

wew it is JewJewTrek

>>11150

>starfleet technology should easily beat anyone's capabilities

>nope we gotta dig some crystals up so we can use our sensors properly

lazy ass fucking writing. they sure spent a lot of money on effects tho.

>>11178

CBS didn't pay shit for STD. It was netdlix who took care of that bill.

>>11181

>Isn't that Vandread?

Never seen it, Any good?

>>11184

Wait. I just thought of something. CBS wouldn't renew this with the anemic response they are getting unless either Netflix willingly continued to pay for it, or unless they found some way to force Netflix to pony up the cash for a new season…some hidden clause their lawyers exploited.

The main question is, if there is going to be a second season, is Netflix taking it up the ass willingly or is it being held down?

>>11201

Netflix bought the rights to show it outside the US but it was CBS that produced it. Netflix also holds rights to show TNG and Voyager and the like.

" By the end of August, Berg and Harberts had developed a "road map" for a second season, and "the beginnings of one" for a third. It was also revealed that an average episode of the first season had ultimately cost US$8--8.5 million each, making it one of the most expensive television series ever and exceeding the original Netflix deal, though CBS still considered the series to be paid for already due to the number of new All Access subscribers that the show was expected to draw."

>>11201

Depends on how desperate Netflix are for more content. They need some big name shows to compete with HBO afterall.

>>11203

The real question is if Netflix will still pay for the whole production by next season, and if CBS All Access can get enough paying subscribers to stay afloat.

That service doesn't really have much to offer other than STD, unless you count MASH reruns…

>>11263

Did you watch Tylor because it was mentioned in that other thread? I'd like to think someone watched it and liked it due to my recommendation.

>>11263

Except that show is a harem comedy sleazy guy who somehow has everything given to him and has every girl he meets fall madly in love with him instantly, while every enemy blows themselves up for the dumbest of reasons.

It has none of the SJW bullshit, representation quota's and so on.

In short, its a far better show than STD could ever hope to be.

Also STD doesn't have giant robot suits.

>>11296

>Except that show is a harem comedy sleazy guy who somehow has everything given to him and has every girl he meets fall madly in love with him instantly, while every enemy blows themselves up for the dumbest of reasons.

Have you actually watched it? If so we have rather different interpretations.

>In short, its a far better show than STD could ever hope to be.

Definitely.

>>11296

>In short, its a far better show than STD could ever hope to be

90% of sci-fi broadcast on TV up until this present time has that distinction, not exactly reaching here.

>>11378

I’m struggling to identify what that other 10% is.

>>11384

Mexican Soapopera's and Lexx?

>>11390

I still don’t know what or how Lexx is and how it was different from Farscape.

>>11420

I think you can still find most of the episodes on jewtube.

Consider getting yourself severely high or very drunk before watching.

>>11427

That image alone sums up why STD will never ever be Trek.

>>11427

>>11430

> the whole "rape" bit was just put in for shock value.

Keep in mind how much makeup they put on the character just to take that short scene.

It wasn't just a throwaway gag or a mistake, someone ACTUALLY thought it was an crucial plot point, without which STD would unravel.

>>11433

>someone had to craft those tits and hollow disk like nipples for a flashback scene

bravo STD

>>11423

>Consider getting yourself severely high or very drunk before watching.

I used to watch it back in the day on syndication and toking up for Lexx was an obligatory prerequisite.

>>11429

What’s interesting is the elements which aren’t there:

>ninety pound loli who will protect Joss Whedon from bullies who push him into the playground dirt and make him eat it

>elegant lesbian prostitute who will see how special Joss Whedon is

So is Starhunter ‘good’ Firefly?

>>11429

Who whole "group of convicts/outlaws steal a ship and go on adventures while fighting the man" thing goes at least as far back as Blakes 7, if not further.

>>11464

Firefly has a better set, it hired better actors, and hired better dialogue writers. But Starhunter still has it's own low-budget charm, everything is more utilitarian and less twangy country music. It only used $250k per episode, think of the hundreds of background people that had to be paid.

The overarching plot is similar to firefly.

In firefly the alliance governments fights the rebels, government also kidnaps kids to mess with their brains and make them psychic, and then produces some chemical that makes half of the people die from apathy and half of the people insanely evil. The insanely evil people kidnap people to increase their numbers.

In starhunter the earth government corporporations fight the outer solar system states until a union is created, the union genetically messes with people so they can see hyperspace (faster way to travel but not FTL). Government exiles people who become raiders that kidnap kids to increase their numbers.

>>11479

That's true, but organic ships were also there before, and bad guys that betray the evil empire. I meant more the sum of parallels shows the homage, not any one parallel.

>>11464

depends, do Starhunter's raiders actually make sense compared to Firefly's nearly mindless rage zombies that killed everyone else on their planet, yet somehow formed a cohesive group, then somehow managed to fly and maintain hundreds of spaceships in order to spread all over the outer edges of the known galaxy, while somehow spending weeks and weeks on board these cramped half working ships without killing each other, wrecking their ships, or running out of supplies because all they do is raid shit from other ships or planets they blindly stumble upon while floating around aimlessly?

I want to see them all die in the Mirror Best Universe.

I hope Lorca turns out to be from the Mirror Universe.

>>16347

>not black villians

If anything I associate them more with niggers now. The STD Klingons look like space orcs.

>>11137

>Are you fucking shitting me? That the most stilted robot line read I've ever heard. That's beyond cardboard. I've gotten more fluid line reads from a speak and spell.

Rewatch Next Gen and then come back with a complaint about wooden acting.

>>22277

Maybe you should watch Next Gen, soybeard.

>>16347

The Klingon redesign is the worst thing about STD, and I'm not just talking about the Klingons themselves, their ships look so off.

They had distinctive hair shared by all previous incarnations so that seemed like a noteworthy cultural thing, but STD ruined this by giving them genetic alopecia.

Have been deliberately avoiding watching anything having to do with STD. Happened upon embed related, and it as the first time I'd actually seen the STD not!Klingons outside of still images.

I can't quite place why, but the speech sounds wrong. Is that even proper tlhIngan Hol, as designed by Marc Okrand, or did they manage to mess that up too?

>>22285

I thought the main corpse armor ship was decent looking, but the rest were just generic formless shit. And the decision to have them speak Klingon all the time just justifies every sci fi show that ever opted to have their aliens speak nothing but English

>>22286

> Is that even proper tlhIngan Hol, as designed by Marc Okrand

As near as I can tell no. I'm not quite autistic enough to be fluent in the language, but I've heard proper Klingon enough times to know what it sounds like.

>>22287

Yeah it was a unique concept that I appreciated, but it clashes with what we know about how the Klingons treat their dead.

As a general rule you should be able to see the ship with your eyes closed or when you're not watching the show, their design was too forgettable for any Klingon ships to be a character like Enterprise, or even Discovery.